one bites the dust and jesse's girl. i know one of those, what is your answer. >> i will bet the house on this because i'm a huge music fan number one video killed the radio star which is ironic song to play on mtv. neil: i am definitely going to go with you, you know what you're talking about, there you go. that's what are the most repetitive songs ever around. stuart: re-rack the prompter i gotta read this. radio killed the radio star, british band i might add on all the first 1981. well done. we started it out again. time is up for "varney & company". if you stick around for another five, three, two, one. "coast to coast" starts right now. ♪. neil: it is monday.

it is a new week, new month, this is something you do not see every day that is the former president of the united states donald trump at a new york courthouse attended the beginning of a civil trial in the case of new york attorney letitia james who was sitting back to the right of him two rows away and the judge arthur anger presiding over a trial of sdm in one, this is so unusual and unprecedented we thought we would explore in more detail because it concerns a former president idea that his very lifeblood it is very business empire is being called into question by people who are in no position to question him or have the proof to debate it. for the next segment were you to be looking at the ramifications of this in our eyes, perhaps the most important of all the battles he faces with legal challenges around the country.

i include the criminal cases, this is just a civil one decided by a judge to get exactly two to $50 million fine on charges that donald trump routinely inflated the value of the business property including his home and business in mar-a-lago. an issue, how much an individual or business can do that. donald trump says he's a brand, coca-cola is a brand and there are certain evaluation models that you attach to a brand even though donald trump says this is a very different case. i want to go to the courthouse he is leading he had words to say at the beginning but he did stick this out for the better part almost an hour and a half. in new york city with the significance of what is going down and could be going down for a number of weeks and months to come. >> this trial expected to last through much of december, a ten

minute break in court should be ending right now, opening statements have been made by the state as well as president trump's lawyers. the state argues that former president trump, his children as well as the trump organization regularly submitted false financial records whereas president trump's legal team claims the records were in fact true. former president trump himself said some words on his way into the courtroom. he said this is another example of election interference. here he was. >> very simply put it is a witch-hunt, it is a disgrace we have a corrupt attorney general we will see how she does this trial was railroaded and fast-track, could've been brought years ago but they waited until i was in the middle of my campaign all run by d.o.j. which is corrupt in washington. >> uc trump in court, the former president has a serious

expression in the video, the judge arthur anger ron seen smiling called him the range after he rolled last week that he fraudulently overvalued his properties for tax banking insurance benefits. new york attorney general filed a lawsuit last year against trump, his family and his business. she is seeking a 2 $250 million fine and severe restrictions on trump and his family from running business in the state of new york. >> donald trump and the other defendants have committed persistent and repeated fraud, last week we prove that in our motion for summary judgment. today we will prove our other claims. my message is simple, no matter how powerful you are, no matter how much money you think you may have no one is above the law. >> this is a civil case, jail time is not a possibility here.

a significant amount of money on the line for president trump. this could push down his net worth. the state has a long list of witnesses that they intend to call and that includes a former president as well as his adult children. we will send it back to you. >> nate foy following that, i would go to the assistant attorney. i believe the business matters you have to prove financial harm with other parties that donald trump and his family and those of the trump business empire would've done business. donald trump was making clear that no one was harmed and is ready and stacked with witnesses to that effect who could say that. he furthermore got into the idea of a brand that has limitless value i believe he likened it to coca-cola a brand that has way beyond its revenues and everything else and has an inherent value that goes beyond the raw numbers what do you make

of his case and the way he presented it today he is pretty angry. >> good point about the real defense that donald trump was going to make nobody was hurt, the people the other side of the loans, the lender's, banks, law firms, accounting agencies none of them claim fraud, they were all paid on time, who was hurt, the problem all of that is overwhelmed by the political comments that president trump made in the courtroom where he accused a judge of being a road judge he said the attorney general of the state of new york was a basis for prosecuting him. he called the whole system of justice in new york and the political system corrupt and he made the claim this is been orchestrated by the biden justice department back in washington, d.c. these are not claims designed to win in court. by saying things like that he's a most guaranteeing he's going to lose in court which obscures

the merits of the real legal argument that you just made quite well, is there anybody really defrauded if the state cannot prove that anyone was harmed. >> first this is not going to be decided by a georgie the judge will ultimately detail on this, he's already charged that they were gross exaggerations and over evaluations of property including mar-a-lago, the former president got to the point how would he know, these are values that go up considerably i heard you and others on the channel talking about the fact that in florida alone evaluations had soared that of course is a phenomenon going on for some years now. again you have to prove that and it is a pressure on the judge to reverse or discover that he got it wrong. >> i don't think so i think the judge last week made his findings and he's concluded that trump has lost a better way to

understand what phase we are in now is compared to a criminal trial when the jury says we found that the defendant did it and then you have sentencing, how long is that guy going to spend in jail that is the stage that were in now the court found last week that trump has lost, now a question of how much money will you have to pay in the fine weather the chapel organization will have to sell its businesses and trump family will get kicked out of business in new york ever again. it could go on for months because trump is going to repeat again and again, i did not hurt anybody how can you sanction me when the state will say we have an obligation to prosecute people who commit fraud on the people of new york not just individual banks not just individual law firms in accounting agencies. neil: for those watching a homer and a rake and i do want to bring to your attention that a lot of this information and i

think you touched on it before is coming from michael cohen his former attorney he says donald trump would set asset values to obtain the number that donald trump wanted. he went on to say there is ample evidence of intent based on knowing the intentional lies that they are in you have to perform. could the judge say ally is a lie and exaggeration is exaggeration and it cannot be condoned. >> you just expand by new york law is so different and seem so counterintuitive to most people watching in new york you don't have to prove that the other person that lent trump money or you and me money suffered harm all they have to prove is that trump lied that trump misstated intentionally not by mistake but miss estimated were misreported

his income of the value of his properties. when you don't have to show anyone was harmed trump's lawyers have been in court for months that the judge has basically told him shut up, stop saying that if you say that i'm going to find you to. neil: you follow the so closely this a matter of pride is the most important to all the cases ironically how it sounds this cuts to the core of his empire in the success of a business and he chased and is not as successful as he is reported himself to be. this really is the big one. >> two things about that. i don't think that we have ever had video now of a president appearing at the defendant referred courtroom sketches. this is unprecedented as a

presidential scholar. this is going to go down in the history books, trump is trying to go head-to-head against the road judge in the rhesus prosecutor who were both in the same room the political theater is incredible and this may help him and his political career he may have said this i really lost i read the opinion this judge has already found against me, let's roll the dice and see if we cannot get double sixes and role crabs intruded around and pull a jiu-jitsu and turn it to the trump brand advantage, one less thing he mentioned when he came in was he was saying look how bad new york is look how bad the crime homelessness and they are using the vast power of law enforcement to go after me when i'm running for president, he is attacking the idea that new york city is a financial capital of the company if not in fact the world. he says if they get to do this to me why should people build

and invest and come to new york city if the attorney general says thanks for your business but if you're conservative or republican get the hell out. neil: one level politically it is a good strategy, legally i'm not sure. the best i could find here reference of a former president ever been involved was gerald ford who was questioned months after the fact of the house investigation committee of richard nixon, you're quite right i don't know of anything of this magnitude always good talking to you i learned so much. john yoo on those developments. the former president addresses earlier, he's back in court they took a ten minute break but he arrived and he was loaded this was before the proceedings began, take a look. >> this is a disgrace and your to go after the attorney general because she's turning off everybody from turning in and i

don't of you can take a look at the outflow businesses businesses are fleeing new york because of horrible horrible attorney general and judges like we have. they go to other places where they can be treated fairly and with respect. neil: this is an important case for donald j trump, how far it is not a trial it is decided ultimately by a judge a judge who has been critical of the business practice of donald trump to say nothing of his behavior. charlie gasparino knows donald trump quite well back of the business stage which is valued now, mayflower advisor managing partner. to the significance of the case and where it goes and it is a pride issue for the former president. >> white-collar crime standpoint, your last guest mentioned a law in new york they don't have to show a high bar a high standard of negligence and

they don't want to show negligence and the wicked level of intent it is called the martin act, interestingly enough it was dusted off by eliot spitzer that's how elliott extracted and extorted the billions of dollars on the wall street firms when he was a sheriff of wall street. letitia james is using that statute. it's a given it is over for him what you put the martin act into play. i would also say this, this is where it gets really interesting and where it'll help donald trump get there are no victims 0 victims. deutsche bank cannot be painted as a victim, the taxpayers were not victimize here. this is literally going after somebody for a victimless crime the reason why you have dumpsters so horrible amc coming people pumping the stocks up every day because average people buy this garbage average people retail investors and they lose all the money when the dump is over and the dump begins. this is not that i am telling

you this will be a big trump campaign commercial when it's all said and done you will see deutsche bank say we did not care that much maybe he did maybe he didn't. and trump is going to get out and say you see, they don't have me on anything this is a victimless crime and this is being arranged by merrick garland who is coming after me and directing various states to come after me to cripple me my wealth to cripple me as a criminal and if anybody could turn this into a win it is a guy with kahunas of steel like him. neil: merrick garland the attorney general said that was not the case in the 60 minute interview. let me ask you about another message donald trump was trying to relay in the remarks before going into the chamber the notion that businesses beware if the state doesn't like you and can concoct a number of schemes to say that your behaviors, no

and think twice even if you don't like me you're not going to like the trend that these guys are starting. what did you make of that. >> i think that is an interesting point. real estate developers property owners have been inflating property values in square footage since the roman empire. this is about something much more. the business community has to be careful they're not on trial. what about the banks where were the banks and who are the bank regulators, where are the tax assessors. all these people going to have a role in the unintended consequences. the winner is going to be florida the winner is going to be the red states benefiting the pro-business policies. neil: to be fair on that and not to get into the weeds, while the former president did use that kid at the florida boom, they're saying a lot of this proceeds the boom, you could go back and forth and argue this. the fact of the matter any

property business or otherwise is a moving target. he would not be the first real estate titan to do that. charlie gasparino's point proving harm done if there is no harm done you fall back on the minor hurdle that new york has that inflating alone get you in trouble. by that definition a lot of people would be in trouble. >> right, real estate is in the eye of the beholder that is the evaluation we have two bidders in a bidding war going to come up with two different evaluations. we see evaluations all over the map sensor pandemic in the last three years even before the pandemic. he was to say what the evaluation is. more importantly we have to make sure for business community that is watching this very carefully they can imagine that there could be on trial for something that they did its other real estate developers. >> i will say this, sorry to interrupt you i thought you were

concluding. they know they are on trial in new york. the martin act is not a new invention. it is been used. neil: how would other businesses think that they are on trial now and this seems to be focus of the time being. >> just so you know someone who comes with the business community very much were worried about crime and taxes in the martin act. it's been used against wall street repeatedly. i think this gets interesting the fact that there are no victims the bank does not care but were also going to get an interesting look at how much donald trump is really worth. i want to ask a banker who thanked him so to speak how much is trump worth he has so much money not the 4 billion with a 6 billion over the 10 billion. trump is a very rich man obviously but you will see something that is going to strike at his ego and that's

going to be an estimation below what he wants of his net worth. this probably going to show the forbes numbers and the fortunate numbers whatever he uses to tout were wrong that could be an ego thing for him. >> this comes back to your point it comes back to the core the very dna. i think you and i apologize for the titan time we are following this very closely, this could drag on. none of this was necessarily landing in jail but it could be an ego bruiser for donald trump but a political winner as well and were also following the shutdown averted but that doesn't mean kevin mccarthy's job is not in danger. a live shot of florida gaetz who wants his head after this.

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capitol hill outside of the house forward congressman not gates has just wrapped up the former marks, were expecting him to file a motion to vacate the speaker today. he says he was going to do that this week. he could do it at any moment. we are waiting and watching this. is not happy with house speaker kevin mccarthy over a number of things including the way that kevin mccarthy reached out to democrats over the weekend to avert a government shutdown. if he files a motion to vacate we would not see about until the 2:00 o'clock hour. the speaker's gavel is in the hands of democrats. today a motion to vacate needs a simple majority. mccarthy has 200 republicans standing behind him. mccarthy says he will not democrats but is been on a media blitz as of late trying to make the case for why he should keep his job. >> matt has been going to democrats and offering them

subpoena power which will destroy any invited inquiry impeachment inquiry if they would bow along with him because they would've to get the democrats to vote with him to be able to remove the speaker. i don't think that is good for the house or the country. >> gates is not the only one unhappy with the speaker right now. there are a few others as well congressman byron donalds went on fox news to say mccarthy is in trouble with the republicans and who want to speaker out. right now there are democrats like aoc that would love to see the speaker leave. no one knows what leader hakeem jeffries will tell his conference to do. >> we will come together as a family the democratic caucus to talk about what is presented to us on a motion to vacate, any outreach that we may see, we're

going to evaluate that in real time with the values that we keep bringing. a couple of things could happen once the motion to vacate is filed in democrats and republicans just decide if they want to vote present and stay out of this. we can see mccarthy ally come in and file a motion to table not gates motion to put it off to the side. we will not know what happens until it happens. neil: great reporting. aishah hasnie. what you make of your fellow floridian congressman gaetz and what he wants to do get rid of kevin mccarthy as speaker. >> again i think matt gaetz has laid out a clear example of areas that could have been improved. i think that we should have 12 appropriation bills on the floor to avoid a cr we knew the

deadline september 30 is not a floating holiday so we knew we had to get there before the american people saw shutdown. not try to come together with the democrats on the clean cr which many of us not just matt gaetz and members of the freedom caucus but 90 of us came together to oppose the cr. not gates and others i cannot speak on behalf of them are my other colleagues they feel the negotiation of the democrats on the clean cr was a violation of an agreement and the lack of getting the 12 appropriation bills on the floor was a failure to leave the conference. i would argue doing a motion to vacate will prevent us from achieving our goal we have 43 days left to get appropriation bills and without a speaker we cannot bill for policy or appropriation bills and this would hinder us from completing the thing that were fighting for which is trying to get more fiscal standard entrance entity. neil: i don't mean to break away but congressman gaetz is

addressing those issues speaking of reporters outside of capitol hill, let's listen in. >> it is a personal dispute is more about him and will return to do to change washington. >> comedy people do you believe share your sentiment among house representatives. >> tens of millions of americans share my sentiment. if you look at newt gingrich and michael even trying to attack me online it's an avalanche of criticism from their own supporters and followers and listeners were the folks are standing with me at the folks with mccarthy. >> you get five or six republicans to sign onto this. >> we will see. >> if you lose this boat will you continue to do this are you worried about throwing this institution to chaos paralyzing that your party runs. >> i think continuing to govern by resolution and what there is this institution into chaos

marching us toward the dollar napping the global reserve currency anymore you talk about chaos ap if it's me and filing a few motions real chaos is with the american people have to go through the austerity that is coming and we have to try get other annual deficits, you do not know chaos until you've seen where this congress and this party is bringing us. chaos is not forcing. >> what would you want to see. >> we have a lot of talented people there is probably hundred republicans in congress that i would vote for four speaker and a hundred republicans throughout the country that i would vote for the speaker -- excuse me. i'm finishing answering your question but if you interrupt the other people cannot use my answer pretty good to asking questions. united reported for their network. a lot of folks in congress that would be able to serve as speaker. we need to rebuild trust, we

need someone who can connect the most conservative features of our conference to the most moderate features of our conference. i understand that i'm not running for speaker and it might not be 70 degrees with every position. it is awkward to take about names until we understand how mr. scalise comes out of his treatment for blood cancer. i'm not the type of person that says you blow by somebody because her getting a medical treatment. >> maybe you will string the salon for a few days. are you going to drop this at 2:00 o'clock or wait till the answers of your questions throughout wednesday, thursday. >> i'm going to be doing it this week. >> if this does fail will you bring this up again? >> how often. >> do you think the you should win this boat do you think you

will do it until you win about. >> it took speaker mccarthy 15 votes to become the speaker until i get to 14 or 15 i don't figure be anywhere dilatory than you were. >> some of the colleagues say they want to change a motion to vacate rural after you bringing forward saying one person shouldn't be allowed to do this that was an agreement in january. what do you say to the colleagues these are gop colleagues. >> within the prerogative to offer any change that they would like that would be subject to a boat on the house for there is a procedure in a process to do that, the rules are not written on the stone we will see how that goes. >> of you talk to president trump about this, what was his advice. >> i think i'm going to keep that between the two of us. >> why are you waiting. neil: that was a startling revelation of the last remark from congressman not gates of florida leading the effort to

vacate the seat the seat of the speaker of the house of representatives it was kevin mccarthy of whom he is not a huge fan saying he talked to former president trump. the former president kevin mccarthy sometimes a tense relationship but they have been able to get through and keep the early animosity that emerge after january 6 out of the papers in the news but whether the former president supports matt gaetz and this effort is anyone's guess but what makes this unique for the first time you ever republican congressman who is testing out of the concession that kevin mccarthy made in order to become speaker and although it would take is one member to challenge that to say you do not belong in the speaker's chair. not one congressman can do that but it takes 218 to decide whether that will be completed in the speaker's job is gone at

least for kevin mccarthy previous startling development in the confusion adding to more confusion of the wall and brought downtown to a seven-point, there are other factors at play like higher interest rate. we are on that as well on a busy news day. right after this.

neil: there was a moment late yesterday when speaker mccarthy was able to couple adil in late november the stock features sword 150-point that was then this is now stocks voting 212 points. largely on the view that another battle to come up, that is maybe for the speakership in general the house. we will get to that in the second, no pill that kevin

mccarthy. interest-rate or back it up, the tenure close to 4.70%, were not that far from 5% if you think about it. the reality of longer-term interest rates market interest rates that will stay high for a while. what are the things scott martin warned about, kind enough to join us again. asset manager and cio. washington drama notwithstanding, we come to expect that but people thought the pressure would start to subside, it has not anything but. what is going on. >> it's gotten worse and in your intro, we have all this uncertainty and government in the house speakership that is under duress and truthfully a fed when you mentioned last time talking about how off-base and tumultuous their future of what the good and with interest rates and what the market seems to be now preempted with the fed says they're going to do.

to point out many times over the past several days as the fed gets further analyzed, the fed is talking tough. there job owning and faking everybody out. it's going to come to the point where the fed will have to ease back and cut rates because of what they do to the economy. that will set up for a nice run. until that happens we see the days like today. >> october is a scary month of the market, september gets the rap for that and down to the building last month. november, december 10 to be friendly months, the fourth quarter friendly quarter santa claus rally, do you still envision that. >> i do in the worst october gets in halloween coming up in a short few weeks all dressed up as michael myers from my favorite movie as usual where on air. the worse things get the better they get to be in the future. the sense of more of a draw down the consumer david gets in the outlook it's for gdp, government

spending it loads this for the back end of the fourth quarter in november and december heavily backed by the consumer to come through once again and bring the s&p nasdaq backup. neil: can i ask a dumb question on market rates in which the fed cannot control. tenure goes up a five year end all these other start backing up does the fed look at that and say we don't want to do anything, the market is doing that it takes the burden off of us, what do you think. >> is a really smart question because that is something i wish you were running for chairman schiff we can't lose you on the network. we can't get any ideas. >> we gotta pay for the pizza. i need another job to pay for all the food and to talk about burger king. the fed should do what you said, they should look at market rates and say we set the course were on the path that mark is taking care of what were going to take

care of what's layoff and get out of the way. she'll, leave it alone, call him down and let the market work itself out. that's what the market is trying to tell the fed and they're not getting the message. neil: i don't know what rogue message or drawling the markets attention. i look a bit quite up a thousand dollars north of $28000 a coin. made august this was sliding under 26000 and coin. i don't want to overstate that but what do you make of that. >> is wild alternative asset gold and silver which we've owned which a big good and bad, no joke ben cline and some of those others are on fire like sam bankman-fried chair. those are things that investors should think about added to the portfolio to diversify away from the main asset which we have in our portfolio stocks and bonds that are traditional but not working out as relatively. >> it's been comedy.

>> you mean my sidekick. neil: scott thank you for that. i want to go to the messenger of national politics reporter, the market is notwithstanding. one of the things that i found interesting is a collected throwing up of a lot of traders hands on washington. maybe that is routine and we should not make a big deal of it but now republicans turning on their own one notable one against kevin mccarthy. what do you make of the separate drama? >> i think the concern that a lot of folks have i'm sure a number of traders as you would know if there are continual measures or moves to take kevin mccarthy out of the speakership that is going to grind the house to more of a halted early has been. if you're taking boat after boat whether kevin mccarthy should continue to be the speaker and not gates said that he's willing to do this 14 or 15 times

because that's how many votes it took kevin mccarthy to be speaker, congress does not get a lot done already a grinding fight like this is going to stop the house in its tracks even further and as you know we have another looming government shutdown in near weeks at this point. that is going to be a concern not only to traders but to federal workers and i'm sure the biden administration is concerned about that as well. neil: right before thanksgiving. another thing that, i attention just as matt gaetz was leaving, the conversation that he had with donald trump, he did not share that. but donald trump is gone on record saying republicans should be tough on this budget stuff in for concentra shutdown portion. that was not the tactic kevin mccarthy wanted to take. i'm wondering what you take of

what they might've said. >> donald trump was cheering the possibility of a government shutdown before the deal was struck. that gave a lot of conservatives a bubble of cover because the standard bear of the republican party, the person in all likelihood going to be the republican nominee in 2024 was cheering for government shu shutdown. that allowed conservatives to take a hard-line approach of what they were going to agree to with kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy called their bluff and definitely received a lot of support from democrats to do that and keep the government open. if that continues it has not heard donald trump he has no stake in this if the government shuts down is out of office and can rally his conservatives around it. if that continues you will see more republicans like matt gaetz and others who are willing to shut down the government. where donald trump comes down to the kevin mccarthy matt gaetz will be interesting because obviously as i think you noted earlier donald trump and kevin mccarthy had a unique relationship for the last few years.

that is another chapter that should be written and whether matt gaetz is successful in ousting kevin mccarthy and trump's role could be key giving is standing in the party. neil: much attention on donald trump surprising offensive on the civil suit. the wall street journal over the last couple minutes has an interesting story that explains why it's so important to trump that trump's wallet and reputation is tested in the civil fraud trial it's everything he's about. i kind of concur with that. his reputation and success the billionaire businessman beyond old dreams is being called into question in the civil suit. the judge in question has already said is guilty. by maligning him in the value of his assets i don't know what the month-long potential civil

battle ultimately decides but for donald trump it is very important what do you think of that. >> not to veer into financial reports but it's his biggest asset and the asset that he used to great success in 2016 to win the white house. i think the financial and the business ramification are far greater than any political ramification. the amount of legal exposure is significant and you and i talking here today i think you be the first of many times where we can talk about donald trump in court because he is so much legal exposure. he will be hopscotch in from courthouse to courthouse over the next year that has not hurt him in the republican primary. if anything corresponding to him consolidating his support among the republican base. his biggest fundraising days were on days he was indicted on days that his legal exposure,

worse. this is a different case as well there are cameras in the courthouse, using the trump campaign sees on camera shots of the property the courthouse is smiling judge among other things and i would be shocked if that has not turned into a fundraising appeal at some point given donald trump as not only kept up money coming in to keep his campaign going but to pay his legal fees. neil: real quickly do you think the judge expected to see donald trump today i know trump plated out there is a possibility i got the impression everyone was shocked there was some indication that he was going to be there so i imagine the judge had an awareness of that and he comes the secret service protection and there would be an arrangement to get them in the courthouse and anything and i would be surprised when he sat down but i'm sure he was told when donald trump planned on appearing to put a little bit more gravitas to the case and the importance to the case that this holds for donald trump. i would imagine the judge was surprised he was going to be on

camera in used in the way that he has been used as a political tactic so far he looked goofy almost laughing in the face of this. that is obviously what the former presidents people are going to tell. always good to see you, thank you very much. dan merica on all of that. jackie deangelis on all the fast-moving developments. but 12 minutes away. >> good afternoon, so much to get to cover the debt ceiling date has been applied for sure, mccarthy speakership is on the line open borders and funding for ukraine we will talk about all of that. north dakota governor doug burgum joins us to make his case for the white house. first more "coast to coast" after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ every day, businesses everywhere are asking: is it possible? with comcast business... it is. is it possible to help keep our online platform safe from cyberthreats?

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taxed. >> she just said a few months ago. a few months ago that it was not a problem in that new york was in sanctuary city, that new york state was essentially state and governor hochul say the out-of-control problem that the administration better address. my apologies this is a serious problem. for example in the month of september 26, 0000 border crossings for the month. we have never seen a higher for any month ever in recorded history, 2 million migrant encounters with the latest fiscal year, out-of-control and does not the sheriff know it. the only differences go around for prior times of having the honor of talking to you that more democrats are agreeing that something must be done only because it hit their state and their cities. no official watch response to do anything about it. >> that is right it was all fun

and games and they had no problem being self-righteous saying were essentially state you guys down there are and consider inhumane now they feel it firsthand and people coming in. kathy hochul says the government needs to stop them but on the same breath she doesn't press conference even today saying that they want to create a pathway for jobs for asylum-seekers. here is the problem, the majority of these people are not legitimate asylum-seekers. they're supposed to claim asylum in the first country many of them have been there five, six, seven, eight countries before they get here. what we need to do is enforcing the law and enforcing the immigration laws, the asylum laws that's how we start to fix this problem. >> even bill clinton was on the radio show saying much of the same thing in order to ease the burden for cities and states we have to pay the migrants, getting the work and the like. that is a green light for tens of thousands of millions down

the road to come isn't it. >> absolutely. if your child is taking cookies out of the cookie jar and your way to stop it is saying and getting $5 every time you take a cookie, the good to continue to take cookies. they are coming here because were giving them phones, hotels at the roosevelt. were giving them jobs because there asylum-seekers and this is why ready for the u.s. senate i tried to fight it on the local level and that's why vanessa my candidacy for u.s. senate and hopefully people support me as sheriff liam. we need understanding this issue to go to washington, d.c. to fight it. not just to save new york but every state in this union. neil: is this your issue? >> i think it's a wheelhouse issue, it's obviously something i've been dealing with as sheriff i've been chair for seven years and been dealing at the deputy. i think we have rising crime, not to mention we put ourselves in a national security risk with

the amount of terrorist and people of unknown countries and special interest countries being vetted at 5% from special interest countries from being vetted i think weaverville national security problem not to mention a border issue and not to mention, you, this can go on and on i can sit and talk about it all. neil: i want to keep track and get you back again and dominating this campaign, mark lamb thank you very much. we are at session loza has nothing to do with the sheriff on the dow down to a 64 points. interest rates keep climbing that is an issue we got into a lot higher rates are sticking right now and they're not on sticking. we have a ten year in and out of the 4.70% 5.7% not that far away. we will have more after this.

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very well. >> probably. neil: donald trump, they are taking a break from lunch and they are leaving, he's coming back he's not a fan of the civil investigation that could last for months about donald trump inflated the value of his various properties and saying they had every right to they were not inflated at all he was being conservative because he did not account for the brand the trump brand he was comparing to brands like coca-cola and others in his orbit saying it's like disney and brand beyond revenue to the name of itself and what it means. there's a good deal in the new york metropolitan area were putting his name on a building something that a lot of developers value even if it has nothing to do with the building itself that is something that

donald trump, is not an issue of arranging or rigging prices are stating anything. furious that the letitia james the attorney general who brought these charges and the fact that he has to go back and forth to the courthouse for months to come while there are number of other investigations, criminal investigations and trials to come no fewer than 9000 different counts. he has a lot on his plate. this one hit accord it was important to him it is all about his image and how he succeeded in the successful multimodal under billionaire and it did not inflate anything in the presidential candidate if not he aims to fight it. like hell. here is jackie deangelis. jackie: thank you so much, hello everybody i am jackie deangelis. i am lydia hu and for taylor riggs. speaker i'm brian brrg