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it's essential to your health. >> he not only admits trump is right as he says yes to a new border wall and brazenly misleads voters on why and he's got more of the it's administration and ayacht ick and lawless chaotic and former president trump says "i'm waiting on biden's apology". it's a major court victory for parental rights and children and this court victory and more losses and battle for the house and speaker mohammad el air yen

elizabeth: great to have you on. we need you both on the story. the president basically says trump is right and breaking his promise and build the border wall and white house says there's a acute need to build 20 miles of border wall in south texas due to a "high illegal surge. congresswoman, when you heard this, what was your first reaction. >> we're grateful for 20 miles and simply isn't enough and keep

in mind, this is after over 6 million illegal immigrants have passed through our border and over 100 non-terrorists on the watch list that we know of and acceptable failed border policies and they've barely started to act now and his poll numbers are bad and the pressure that the texas allegation has myself and constituents have put on. it's about time they started a acting. elizabeth: given what the congressman said, congressman steube, why the sudden change? is there a security issue that the fb and i recollects cia is saying and took off 7.5 million illegal crossings and about a million got aways and criminals crossing. more than a thousand terrorists on the watch list caught at border since biden took office. something out there that maybe there's a sudden reason for the

flip-flop? >> yeah, they don't care about safety and security of american people. it's now a political calculation and you have democratic mayors in new york, democratic governors in new york now saying that something has to be done. we can't handle the influx of migrants, and they've only had like 100+ thousand in new york city. you've had 6 malcolm across the border -- 6 million across the border and southern parts of the country completely invaded by all of these illegal immigrants more than 6 million now and it's a political calculation. they know it is a political liability going into the election in 2024 next year. they have democrats calling for reform at the boarder and things we've talked about in the republican conference and passed a border security bill way back in the beginning of the year. now it's a political calculus and they're losing the argument. elizabeth: there's outrage at town halls across the nation and lawsuits growing against the biden border crisis. polls on the border, record lows. even among democrats and watch the president repeatedly say he

will not build a border wall. he campaigned on that. watch this. >> trump campaigned on build that wall. are you willing to tear that wall down? >> there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration. >> the border wall is not an effective policy. >> money was appropriated for the border wall. nothing under the law says they have to use the money for what was appropriated. i can't stop that. elizabeth: that's a falsehood. congressman, that's a falsehood. upon talking office in 2021, biden issued an executive order that read "no more american tax dollars will be diverted to construct a border wall". he stopped the funding and he's now saying the law is forcing him to build this wall. what do you say, congressman steube? >> yeah, again, he's continuing to lie to the american people and we spent billions of tax dollars because they halted the border wall construction and then they started sending all the materials away.

they're realizing this is a political liability for them going into '24 and it's a national security threat over 100 terrorists have been apprehended and mayorkas won't tell members of congress if they've been released into the country or not. 6 million illegals boo the country and murderers and rapist and terrorists and fentanyl epidemic we're facing in our country over 100,000 americans killed by fentanyl all coming in through the southern border. elizabeth: congresswoman dela cruz, he's been breaking the border laws and breaking environmental laws to do this. the environment to policy act and federal water pollution control and clean air act. he's knicksing environmental border walls and he's saying that border walls don't work and he's building one. what's going on here, congresswoman? >> well, what's going on is that democrats have become desperate. they're seeing their own polls come back where people along the

border, hispanics like my own county that's over 90% hispanic is trending republican. the reason they're trending republican is because of the lack of border security that they see. they see the sex trafficking, they see the illegal drugs coming through our ports of entry and in between the ports of industry. what they're trying to do is save themselves for the 2024 election. that's why suddenly they're now putting this border wall. but again, it is not enough. we need true policy, we need hr2, which house republicans put on the floor and passed earlier this year. we need those pieces of legislation to be signed into law to make a real difference. elizabeth: you know, congressman dela cr cruz said is really important and the polls show that the border is the entire narrative for this white house.

lawless, chaotic, wrong headed, dangerous, incompetent. there's residents in chicago south shore community again filing a lawsuit against the city of chicago. they're putting illegal immigrants in public buildings like police stations and public school and wills mayor adams asked the judge to suspend the right to shelter law. more than 123,000 illegal democrats pouring into the city and bill clinton, jp pritzker and kathy hochul saying the border is broken. what's the fix in bring back remain in mexico? title 42? shut the border for now and for good? >> yeah, i think the border should be shut down absolutely and i think the remain in mexico policy that trump put in place that alleviated a lot of challenges should be put back in place and the completion of the border wall. all of these individuals have been allowed into our country, 96% of them don't have asylum, a judge will recorder them to be

returned to the host country and only way to keep inflex from coming in is secure the boarder and finish the wall and do the remain in mexico policy where they have to stay in some other country before they come into our country. elizabeth: congressman stubby and congresswoman de- la cruz, good to see you. greg j jarrett, we have this story. you've looked at this new york fraud case against former president trump and does it violate the due process rights and rights to a jury. >> i think it absolutely does. this executive law, liz, was intend intended for consumer fraud cases impacting the general public. here, the public wasn't impacted at all and indeed no party was harmed, which is normally an element of proof in fraud cases. the banks paying more than

100 million in profits from the loans to trump. so this statute as it's being used by leticia james is turning the law on its head and gives her unfettered authority to pursue trump without having to prove the basic elements of fraud demanded by law and that deprives the defendant as a right to fairly defend himself and it also deprives him of a right to a trial by jury, both of which are due process violations under the fifth, seventh, and 14th amendments to the constitution. let me point out one other argument here. it's also unconstitutional, liz, in a different way. the judges order of forced disillusion. any company that trump-appointed has an interest in. what's that going to do? it's going to adversely impact any other business partner and entity associated with trump

that are not part of the case. they weren't even sued. they'll be harmed with no notice, no right to defend their interests. how is that consumer protection? it's not. it's consumer punishment. this isn't equitable relief, which the statute calls for. it's a severe penalty where trial by jury rights are utterly abandoned. elizabeth: you know, the new york law this case is brought under. show the viewer, it does not require a victim. no need to prove intent or defraud, but the judge can force trump to pay a quarter billion and lose all his properties. david points out the very definition of fraud in the dictionary includes intent. this law is so overbroad and the attorney general campaigned going after trump calling him a con man saying i'm going to disdirect a bright light into ey corner of the real estate. you make a good point and judge

acknowledged no victim of trump's fraud or claimed dam damages. dutch bank didn't file for damages and requires the body is found. i have to say this point is important. the judge said courts ruled a state has a sovereign interest in protecting the integrity of the marketplace. new york attorney general, gregg, is not the soul guardian of the marketplace. sec is in there, federal and state bank and insurance regulators and they've got oversight too. >> yeah, all excellent points. they're all quite valid that you just made, liz. look, this case should never have been filed. it's a classic case of a political persecution under the guise of a legitimate prosecution and in my judgment, it's illegitimate for the reasons i've state and you stated. leticia james ran for office on the campaign promise of "getting

trump". for something. anything. i don't have it but i'll find it. in other words she prejudged a case of which she had no knowledge. she hadn't even opened the files yet on the investigation that was pending. that is a terrible violation of the cannons of ethics governing prosecutors. in my judgment, she ought to be severely sanctioned if not disbarred. she won't be because the far left liberal new york bar is cheering her on instead of doing their job. the judge seems equally bias in this case. you know, he endorsed this pronouncement that mar-a-lago is worth a poultry 18 million. you can't buy a porta pottity in palm beach for that and the land alone, 17 acres in this exclusive sought after enclave is worth $500 million.

so this is using the reigns ovgovernment power for political persecution against trump. elizabeth: got it, gregg jarrett, thanks for coming on the show. good to see you. >> you too. elizabeth: still ahead, dusty johnson and andy mccarthy and fox news contributor liz peek. why is top economist mohammad el-erian warning a recession could hit next year and a jobs report tomorrow and could be underwell 78ing and terry shilling coming and you happen parental rights advocate and father of six and pulled kids from public schools for being too toxic and a major new victory for parents rights and a judge block ago school district that was keeping parents in the dark about their own children at school. that's next on t "the evening edit". >> would like everybody to know that voices matter. get out and state your opinion even if you're just one person,

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principles project. terry, great to see you and have you on the show. terry, let's talk about the major win for parental rights and go through it and bear with me. michael maxwell, ruled that a milwaukee area school district cannot force school staff to refer to students using pronouns that are at odds with their biological sex. the school also cannot engage in gender transitioning of students without the con acceptability of their parents -- consent of parents. what you heard about this case, what's your reaction? >> it's about time. it's about time; right. these types of policies are being pushed by radical but empowered progressive activists in our education system all across the country. this is just one school district, and it's happening in wisconsin. working class moderated, purple state like wisconsin, which means it's happening everywhere. this is happening in areas like my hometown, like the quad cities. it's happening everywhere and finally there's a judge that's ruling in favor of parents.

liz, the thing that's frustrating to me about all this is that parental rights for the vast majority of this country's history have never been under question, let alone under attack. but all the sudden there's an explosion from our -- led by our education system by the way that we have to protect kids from their parents. that's the talking points that they use. not what i'm trying to say is that they think parents are a threat to their children. if you're saying that, you are the threat to the children because no one loves our kids more than the parents do. elizabeth: what you're talking about, this is a key victory in the legal fight for parental rights in schools. it's a first of it is kind and here's why it can open the flood gates for other lawsuits. this school district argue that had parents do not have a fundamental right to control how a school educates their child, but the judge agreed with the plaintiffs and medical experts at trial. they argued this issue is about medical treatment and about psychology and health and about

education. that's the key finding here. >> no, that's exactly right. parents are legal system has always upheld that parents have the right to direct the upbringing of their children. that includes education, includes healthcare, it includes basically everything and the only thin parents don't have a right to do is abuse their children. that's the centerpiece of what the left argues on this whole trans kids issue is that parents that protect their kids from hormone treatments and puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and all that is that those are the parents that are harping their kids. it's preposterous and we know it and go along with it because these people have power. elizabeth: terry, how far it went with the school district in wisconsin outside of milwaukee, the school official is saying no. we're saying no to the parks express request to refer to their daughter as a girl as school and by her real name. went as far as staffers at a local mental health facility told the daughter her mom would "be her biggest enemy, biggest

adversary". both mother and daughter say their relationship is great. >> listen, they're working to turn kids against their parents; right. we have to pay attention to this because if you pay attention to world history; right, every tyranny, every autocratic or regime or dictator that comes into power, that start with going after the family. that's the final thing they take over and then the rest of their power is very easy to take. elizabeth: terry, i want to close out with this, parents and students outraged in maine a transgender runner beat girl track runners and this runner ranked 172nd in the boys category last year and now at fourth place. watch the reaction to what went on. watch this. >> it's a matter opportunistic unfairness. of unfairness. the men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women. men's hearts are bigger, their lungs are bigger, their muscles, their legs have much more muscle

mass than women and there's an unfair advantage, but they've allowed this. elizabeth: what do you think, terry? final word? >> so obvious; right. it's -- men and women are different. who would have thought. everyone except for radical progressives who want to destroy the country and indoctrinate our kids and we have a long way to go with the education system. if you have to explain the differences between men and women, we've lost a lot of ground over the past few decades. elizabeth: got it. terry shilling, come back soon, love to see you. >> thanks, liz. elizabeth: what's next after kevin mccarthy is voted out as speaker. and new details over nancy pelosi getting kicked out of her special office on capitol hill. liz peek is here and top economist mohamed el-erian raising red flags and major recession threat for 2024. will that up end the president issue race coming up on "the evening edit"? >> we've when you've got 17.4%

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freeship and cissa was weaponnized against the very citizens it was designed to protect. it went further than other parts of the biden administration to push social media companies to adopt restrictive policies on election-related speech. >> we know through this lawsuit that federal officials forced big tech to change their censorship algorithms and americans suffered and are suffering now because they're self-censoring. people are less likely to talk about president trump and covid issues because they're afraid of being kicked off the platforms. it's never been about truth. it's always been about power. >> justice department declined to comment for this story but the executive director of the cybersecurity agency doesn't censor freeship and led by the attorney general for missouri and the biden koshered

hematore--- coerced them to remove true information about vaccines and covid information. elizabeth: wow, thank you. liz peek is joining us now. liz, you're a great writer and so smart. we've been hearing about recession warnings for so long and now top wall street economist mohamed el-erian said recession could hit next year and interest rates staying higher for longer. liz, how is that going to hit the 2024 race? >> it's a good question, liz. it is very hard to imagine the federal reserve will increase rates next year in the teeth of a federal election. that is just very unlikely to happen. but they could certainly hold rates at higher levels, and i think this is really a threat to the biden administration. biden has been out talking for weeks about bidenomics. what is bidenomics? it's big government, big spending, and big labor, and we're seeing all three of those things boost inflation, which is causing the federal reserve to

boost rates and really it's slowing down the economy. the signs are everywhere. elizabeth: you know, liz, blackrock strategist say economic activity flat lined like the weakest 18 month stretch and labor markets are looking soft. liz, labor markets are often the last shoe to drop when the economy turns; right? so we had that bad adp jobs number. 89,000, 1 -- 89,000 expected and jobs number coming in soft again on friday. what's happening in the economy? jowski well, everyone has been surprised that hiring has stayed as strong as it has even as corporate profits turned out. obviously one of the things you usually do when your business begins to falter is lay off workers, but it was so hard to hire, liz, that a lot of companies decided just to keep their employees in place because they know it's going to be hard to replace them. however, i would use the words

of ed hyman, one of wall street's great economists and it's great and right up to the moment where the economy turns south and i think that's what we're seeing now. it's been a very strong jobs market, but the adp report was little bit of a red flag, and i think on friday, tomorrow, we might see the same thing. elizabeth: you know, liz, the dow is down on pace for its third week down in a row. s&p, its fifth week down in a row. october's no touristously volatile -- notoriously volatile and it's been moving up towards 5%. i mean, most strategists do not expect the fed to cut interest rating till the summer of 2024. that'll place extended pressure on american wallets. this higher for longer narrative that mohamed el-erian said, he said it's taking hold of the stock market.

we're enduring back-to-back really brutal months here. >> well, what's happening is the short rates went up very quickly. that's what the fed can engineer, but it didn't really translate into longer rates and that's what's happening now, liz, which is why mortgage applications for example are the lowest since 1995 and almost 8% and corporate rates going up too. all the impact of fed tightening is just now really being felt by consumers and auto loan rates and credit card rates and almost 25% and that's really hefty if you're a borrower on your credit card. all those things really didn't hit until since now. and a definite deceleration in the fourth quarter and maybe the first quarter of next year. elizabeth: liz, final word, what are you seeing in the housing market? you mentioned mortgage rates are pushing towards 8% and mortgage

demand i think is coming down to a 30-year low and not seen since 1995 or thereabout. what do you foresee here? the uaw strike and biggest healthcare strike at kaiser permanente, a walkout in five states. that's at a stalemate. what's your forecast? >> well, again, i think labor problem is as labor markets weaken, see the downward pressure on wages but right now joe biden is out there telling workers go for it. you deserve a big raise. that's not helpful, liz, that's going to keep inflation higher than it otherwise would be, which means interest rates on the part of the fed will stay higher than people expect it just really 6-8 weeks ago. elizabeth: liz peek, thanks for joining us, good to see you. >> thank you for having me. elizabeth: coming up, former assistant andrew mccarthy and president biden, big conflict of interest and nominated hunter biden's former law firm colleague to lead the office of

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former assistant u.s. attorney andy mccarthy and he's a terrific writer and so sharp and smart. andrew, we need you on the story. so do you see this as more political conflicts in the hunter biden case. president biden nominate as former colleague of hunter biden at that law firm to lead the office of special council. i mean, this is the same office congress called onto investigate whistle blower allegations that political -- politicized officials at doj are retaliating against them for blowing the whistle on early intervention program justice for the hunter biden investigation. what do you make on all this? >> liz, i don't think they've been sensitive to the beginning for conflicts of interest. david weiss running the hunter biden investigation is a high ranking official of the biden justice department. he was appointed or labeled, i would say, by the attorney

general as a special council, it was in complete violation of the rules. you're supposed to bring a special council in from outside the government. the thing that makes a special council special is that you're supposed to be insulated from a conflict of interest that prevents the justice department from investigating in the normal course. so if they don't care about the conflict situation with respect to the guy who's actually running the whole investigation, i don't see that any of us should be surprised at how they treat these other matters. they're simply -- they see their job here as sabotaging that investigation, and what they're trying to do is look like they're investigating while the case disappears. as i've complained a number of times by the way weiss has handled this case, all the conduct prior to 2017, which means the important conduct when joe biden was vice president, that's all gone because he never charged the case and the statute

of limitations is run. elizabeth: this gentleman president biden nominated, hamampdellinger. that was involved with helping burisma that hired hunter biden. that law firm reportedly worked on lobbying strategy to help burisma's cofounder and crisis response team and now this person serves as a special council. the danger these irs whistle blowers put their careers on the line to say -- tell congress that, yeah, the doj is failing to fully investigate hunter biden's tax evasion and foreign lobbying. could they swash it and could they be retaliated against? >> well, they're not supposed to be, but then, you know, it's hard to say that something can't happen when the protection that they're supposed to get is a matter of law, and these guys don't see any -- it doesn't seem to me that they have any comeuppance about violating the laws that apply to them.

i think this underscores how brave these whistle blowers were to come forward because the people who they're talking about, these guys are going to play hardball, and that's been pretty evident from the beginning. elizabeth: okay. we're going to stay on these stories. andrew mccarthy, thank you so much. it's good to have you back on. >> yeah, my pleasure. elizabeth: see you again soon, we hope. >> okay, president biden hasn't just flip-flopped like he did on the border wall. we've got his other 180s coming up. plus, former president trump says he would accept a house speakership for a short period of time. that's got the media in an uproar. but wait, we want to know what's cooking on the bottom line next with fabulous sean and dagen. the smart and funny charlie hurt in for sean duffy. what's coming up? dagen: did biden admit accidently that trump is right about the wall? yeah, he d. sarah carter and pam bondi is on that and alejandro

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the show the vice president problem solver caucus. congressman dusty johnson. conman, good to see you again. the media is going crazy over this and former president trump said he'd accept the house speakership 30-60-90 day period. can he do that? the media is going hog wild over this. >> i don't -- listen, every leader has a different strength and not every lead service connected a great fit in different leadership positions. i've had three different speakers of the house is that the ability to listen to your members is the most important skill for a speaker of the house. i'm not sure that's president trump's strong suit. i think he would also struggle to get 218 votes. we've got to have somebody that basically isn't a problem with anybody in the house. that's how tight the margins are on the republican side. elizabeth: congressman, who would you want?

steve scalise. jim jordan, maybe patrick mchenry, tom cole. who did you like? >> the two guys that were announced officially in running strong right now, steve scalise from louisiana and then also we've got jim jordan from ohio. they're both very capable leaders. i haven't picked among them and i talked to them both at length today and i expect i'll talk to them both tomorrow. i think a bigger issue though, liz, is that if we don't fix the underlying dysfunction within this republican house, none of this matters. a new speaker is just -- if we don't change the rules it's just the same stuart clown car with a different driver. we've got work to do before we just settle on a leader. elizabeth: how do you fix it then? >> i think we've got to get back to a situation where these eight holdouts, these hard liners. that's just 4% of our conference. these are the guys that sided with the democrats to rip down

republican control of the house. we've got to get back to where they understand that they need to have as much drive toward improving the country as they have had toward chaos. when we were working together. we were able to get $2 trillion in spending cuts just over the next four or five years and able to get major improvements to how we permit energy projects. able to get major changes to work requirements for welfare programs and those were signed into law. it required we built a consensus from the far right including the democrats. that's not easy to do and it'll be harder if we're fighting and clawing and snarling at one another. elizabeth: so hopefully there'll be unity because we've got 40 days till another government shutdown and reports that also coming in former president trump may come to capitol hill to meet with republican leaders about the race for speakership. let's move onto this, you know, former speaker nancy pelosi out of her special office in the

capitol. i know this has been a nasty fight on capitol hill. did the recorder come from kevin mccarthy? did the house rules indicate that's redesignated for the speaker's office use and media should not overreact and pelosi should not have overreacted and given it up for the incoming speaker? >> there has been a lot of overreaction to this. you said it exactly right. listen, the speaker of the house gets to control space within the house side of the capitol. and they don't owe anybody anything. so kevin mccarthy gave some people the office space. it has occasionally, occasionally been tradition for former speakers to keep a one room office, a hide away in the capitol but that's not written anywhere. that is not an entitlement that nancy pelosi owns. the new speaker, pro tem, patrick mchenry wanted to reallocate space and that's the things that speakers do every

single month when they're speaker. listen, this is, i nonan seizure disorders pelosi is upset about it. i know nancy pelosi is upset but not her space forever and ever. elizabeth: congressman, you have a lot of integrity to help and serve and fix america. we see that and hope you come back on soon so we can talk more. >> absolutely. any time. elizabeth: good to see you. okay. coming up. republican strategist ford o'connell is fired up and growing list of president biden's flip-flops and not just his reversal on now building a border wall in texas. we've got more. our hot take is next on "the evening edit". ♪ changes your struggle with missing teeth forever. it changes how you eat, how you feel, and how you enjoy life. it changes your smile and how others smile at you. clearchoice network doctors have changed over 100,000 lives with dental implants,

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♪ >> that's the simple solution is, no, turn the buses around! >> it's becoming a community of black people where we already get the low scraps and yet you want to take the little scraps, the resources that we have and put us at the bottom of the barrel? that's not fair. >> you cannot keep bringing immigrants in. the city because not -- does not have the money. >> you cannot track them. you don't know their name, but you want to spread them all over the city. >> it is unsanitary, it's unsafe, and it's just not right. elizabeth: well, let's get gop strategist ford o'connell's reaction to that. this is our hot take. you heard the voter reaction in chicago, and now today the biden white house flip-flopping on the

border wall building 20 the miles of wall in texas. is he acting to the wind? is he -- tacking to the wind? is he seeing his polls dropping, or is he having a true change of heart that his policies may be wrong? >> joe biden is the ultimate political flip-flopper. what you heard today on the border was out of political necessity. border security's a top three issue, and joe biden's numbers according to the washington post, only 23% approve of his handling. he knows if he wants to win re-election in 2024, that's what we saw today. elizabeth: he's been accused by conservatives and others throughout the his presidency of flip-flopping. he's flip-flopped on crime, on things like the covid pandemic. he cited the pandemic e when he needed to explain a wobbly economy or justify canceling student loans, then when it's convenient, he says it's over thanks to his administration. he's repeatedly misled the american people. we've shown like a scroll that

goes on and on about how often he's misled. >> that's exactly right, but he does this out of political he'sty. remember, we are -- necessity. we are 13 months from a presidential election. let's go back to the crime bill, for example, that he flip-flopped on bigtime. you know he was instrumental in passing that crime bill. but then what happened? he had to win the democratic nomination, he had to denounce his own bill because he needed a majority of african-american support to win the democratic nomination and throughout covid is he's abused this economy with inflation by talking about the pandemic being over, then not being over. he uses it when it's convenient for joe biden. elizabeth: you know, he's saying things like we're in a manufacturing boom. the ism number's been down for 11 is straight months. he claims he's cut, you know, the deficit, the u.s. debt. he didn't. you know, "the washington post" gave him bottomless pinocchios on that. he's made an explicit statement that cutting deficits requires inflation, but that didn't happen.

>> he's doing this absolutely -- look, when we look at all the issues that matter right now, when we look at the economy, creating jobs, when we look at inflation, when we look at crime, we look at border security, everything under the sun pretty much joe biden is double digits underwater with the american people, and the democrats think that if they change their position 13 months out, they can actually win a presidential election by again, liz, misleading the american people. elizabeth: but, ford, and the big one today he claimed he had to build this wall in texas because the money was appropriated. he couldn't stop that. but in january of 2021, as soon as he -- right after he killed the keystone pipeline, one of the first things he also did was yank funding for trump's border wall. he issued an executive order that read, quote: it shall be the policy of hi administration -- my administration, no more tax dollars diverted to construct a border wall. now he claims the law forced him to do the wall. what's your final word on that. >> it's very simple.

for joe biden three years ago border walls were racist, today they're politically necessary for him to win re-election. and and what he isn't saying the quiet part out loud, liz, donald trump was right, and that's why alejandro mayorkas is pushing for this. elizabeth: do you think he's waking up because of the town halls like in chicago because voters are angry? >> absolutely not, you have to detain them once they're here, and let me tell you, he's deported the fewest number of people in american history. elizabeth: got it. ford o'connell, we'll have you on again soon. tomorrow we have former michigan gubernatorial candidate tudor dixon, economist john lonski and the messenger's joe concha. thanks for watching "the evening edit" on fox business. now it's time for "the bottom line" with dagen and charlie. dagen: good to see you. build the wall! ♪ ♪