good no cease-fire, conditional hamas surrender, that is a rallying cry, all eyes are turned to lose mcdonald. liz: this the five or their lives in everybody's life the fight against brutal terrorism

other savages and that is with the israeli see, they're fighting they say for the rest of the world, larry here terrific and welcome back abby had a good weekend in the story, we have a major new push in congress, to reinstate and bring back, the tough trump era sections on iran, and a to the white house from 85 lawmakers in the house, stop the appeasement of terrace now with senator ted cruz with this, and is new legislation, to sanction hamas in a new report and president biden is behind the scenes, criticized for new york times for its coverage of israel and also the fuel over the funding anti- israel, and the most in the u.s., and again, border reinstate and former president trump the 2020 case, god that story of us who is really behind the push, but u.s. states to try to remove trump from 2024, state ballots and it will the house impeachment inquiry really

savini hunter biden plus, not a way to run into any 24, both vice present kamala harris, governor gavin newsom making caps this weekend and we will explain, i'm elizabeth mcdonald in the evening edit starts right now. ldemocrat fighting hamas inthe r israel the enemies of civilization itself. victory over these enemies, begins with moral clarity. begins with knowing the difference between good and evil in between right and wrong and ladies and gentlemen, this is a turning point, turning point for the leaders in the nation's. it is time for all of us to decide if we are willing to fight for the future of hope and promise or surrender to tyranny and terror. liz: benjamin netanyahu assays

the fight of our lives is time to stop terrorism especially backed by a run in army master sergeant teddy kennedy a green beret in a word to the bronze medal, sergeant kennedy is served in both iraq and afghanistan also this is former annas the official rich goldberg and think you for joining is gentlemen so first to you sergeant and benjamin netanyahu says no to a cease-fire in the u.s. would not do that after pearl harbor or 911 would you make of those comments. ted: and i mean, you cannot just, you've just been attack, 1400 of your citizens heaven raped, murdered, burned alive, and the destruction in the chair that went through the region was unprecedented and you can go all the way back to the war when the last time we saw violence like this, and you are now asking them for cease-fire come they're going to fight for their existence right now. and it is idiotic and insulting, for anybody to insinuate that israel right now, she do anything besides protect itself and eradicate the people who are

trying to wipe them off the face of the planet. liz: richard what you think of the sergeant what he just said in israel is saying, the check out 55 top hamas leaders, and that this is a fight of our lives, for the world to take out terrorists and what you think. rich: will that is right and president biden, said and believe that hamas is showing us that they are is evil remember so the nicest, and this a righteous fight by the israelis to root out true evil in the terrorist infrastructure. and what we need to do is get in for under israel time and space to connect what appeared to be a very methodical operation this is not a rush into a ground invasion. it looks like the israelis are taking their time, targeting top leadership is they are on the ground from their generating new intelligence leads. and they've already seen rescue of the hostage today so i think that we need to support the israelis as much of to focus our effort not pressuring for cease-fire, but i'm pressuring the different sponsors of hamas, iran, gutter and turkey and of

course, rolling back what is behind us some of the spots of these rallies in the protest throughout her own country these pro- hamas people we see out of the streets. liz: and sergeant they have to take out the tears and tunnel network three or miles long of that's the equivalent of you know the size of shopping malls underground i would make of this new legislation by nearly more than seven dozen house lawmakers. eighty-six of them led by congressman jim breaks and banks to bring of the top errors thank you so on the run and will be the toughest iran sections package ever and they say stop the appeasement white house and what you say sergeant. ted: i thank you so too little too late but i know means, we saw the greatest time of peace and hard for our nation during the time and trump was in office. on the many reasons was the economic approach that he had, with our allies and our enemies. iran, no doubt they are shuffling summer between 70 million - $100 million per

year, to hamas. and iran is not the only one and you have russia and try to the love to destabilize any of our allies. bias allowing them to have access to money and to sell oil, we're just furthering their proxy war, that we have to fight and everyone of our enemies right now are being funded by organizations like iran. russia, china, were not fighting the directly refining these proxies these nonstate conflicts but it's you know call the state is made here, this is iran is pulling the the strings with the money we've allowed them to have. liz: with the sergeant just said, that's watch then candidate joe biden in 2020, and he was at the time, claiming that it was trophy was going to get the u.s. into a war with iran and then you get to listen to jake sullivan claiming iran is getting the tough messages from the biden white entered white house much this. >> i citizens walls closing in a more 80s going to get dissed in worn iran. biden: i personally, i may have been right in the back of the matter is, there is a lot of stake at this election.

>> of the american troops are attacked by iran in his proxies, we will respond we did respond that of a attacks and can enter to continue, we will respond and i think the iranians understand our message. liz: okay, it's unfortunate because then candidate biden was wrong it, he was biden and richard, what is the message that iran understands easing of the sanctions and 6 million for iran plus mother before that he allotted 10 billion and stopped enforcing oil sections on a run and were talking 80 elise going into iran. rich: will less look at history, when donald trump imposing pressure enforcing oliver sanctioned driving around revenues were zero and then killed so money, and iran was detoured and when joe biden was elected and rolled back that sanctions regime, to maximum pressure into maximum death was what we saw's around race forward with its nuclear program the only reason the sitting in

the nuclear official delays because joe biden let them do it knowing chased after them trying to get it under back to that nuclear deal and so i wrote many of the sanctions when i was a step in the senate, biden came into office and started to shred them and so i commend these congressmen coming together to force joe biden to enforce our sanctions and take away all of the waivers and licenses that are allowing him to free up cash for this regime. liz: what richard just said sergeant responded that because this 86 - house lawmakers they want to codify into lock on the trump errors sanctions really tough and wanted take this a step further and they wanted got iran's ability to fund the terrorism and sanction the supreme leader of iran and force the president to enforce sanctions and runs oil sales as of the biden white house from providing more money to a running from have her, reentering the failed obama era nuclear deal pretty and is unclear of this and it would take this and sergeant when you come down on all of this work. ted: that's not enough. and within gaza, you have 80

different terrorist organizations all of being funded by iran if you look at hezbollah on the north side by iran and every single one of our enemies within the region are being funded by iran and how does iran get this money, by sales of oil. we do not hit them where it hurts, which is in the purse, with strength, we will never see peace in this region and you want to state solution in here, we are not going to have it if hezbollah and hamas are dropping rock and sending suicide monsters into every single please read they can find with the got them and we have to do it financially. liz: what the sergeant just said, what is this white house see sort of the selling a back against to ron and why are they afraid of iran. rich: they are. rich: as we say time and time again, we since president be detoured by iran and why is he in a nuclear deal now which by the way is still on the table and why are we in a nuclear deal

today because joe biden is afraid of having to confront a run over his nuclear program is easier to pay the extortion racket is overrun sees a president who just want to pay the record for, and is afraid military confrontation, even though we know that it would actually them if we actually sent those signals, the escalade in the region and we have something like october 7. liz: okay thank you for joining us tonight and look who is here, this welcome senate foreign relations, senator ted cruz and it is good to see you and sir, did you introduce your legislation today to sanction hamas and every member of hamas and can you talk to us about that. ted: will sure, introduce dented and for legislation today and is designed to get off the funds for these hamas terrorists, these monsters that are targeting the civilians, that he raped and murdered if women and little girls, the murdered infants. and this is designed it to and go after every member of hamas and cut off the money that is fueling their engine of war. one of the most inefficient and

indivisible aspect of the last two and half years under joe biden. it is the billions of dollars that upload to terrace, who hate us and if there is one simple principle, we should stop giving money to terrace and want to us and under joe biden, roughly $100 billion has flowed to iran, and arent of the ayatollah death to america they chance that an they fun hamas in the fund hezbollah my legislation designed to cut all of the money off in addition to under joe biden, hundreds of millions of dollars, have loaded gaza and controlled by hamas the money from the biden administration in a very directive way is funding the death squads in the rockets we need to cut all of that off as with this legislation is designed to do. liz: has anybody stepped forward to support the legislation in the senate. ted: is would just introduce the legislation, and i think that we will get the support of most of every republican, and i hope we get the support of democrats and

unfortunately, this is divided on party lines. and a number of democrats have thought that it was a good idea to go soft on iran and i think that is proven spectacularly wrong and local give you an example and gaza, the beginning of the biden administration of the biden and ministration wanted to send hundreds of millions of dollars to gaza and about together a coalition of 17 senators, all republicans, urging the administration, do not send that money to gaza because it will go to hamas and also use it for terrorism and at the same time, 145 house members, all democrats, since a letter to the biden administration saying, do send the money to gaza even though it will go to hamas or terrorism with the biden administration did, they assisted and they concluded, that there was a high risk the their words high-risk, that the money would go to hamas for terrorism under ordinary federal law come it's illegal to send money when there's a high risk it will go to terrorism but

they weighed the antiterrorism law and they sent them money anyway because politically they wanted to send the money even if it ended up being used it to murdered jews in israel and it was a tragic mistake. liz: what you're saying the message though, let me backup, when you see protesters storming the full fields and dealing the usa, versus uc berkeley football game, calling for cease-fire, you see the nypd arresting hundreds of protesters who shut down grand central terminal and 7000 pro hamas anti- israel protesters shut down the brooklyn bridge is happening over the weekend when anti-semitic riots in airport in russia and a mob reportedly hunting for passengers on a flight from tel aviv but then you have you know a lot of people are saying, this split inside of the democrat party and must get reaction to the democrats attacking each other and andrew carson when a fellow democrat, representative - over his support of israel and watch this.

>> he's cowardly and i think that he is not acting in the realism of congress but most cowardly people when you confront them, they are afraid treat and amend afraid of the guy if you want to call it despicable i'm saying that he is a coward and he's a punk and he should remember a lot of the people sent him here and was to play some kind of tough guy, and a gangster, we can handle it like gentlemen we can get into something else. ted: was interesting about these atrocities in israel is the details of revealed the level ewa best, the contempt for israel to many of the democratic party and emphatic members of congress have for israel, were in some cases even hatred when the members of the democratic party won't moved to condemn a terrorist organization does that against the americans people, i think that it really shows how for the dramatic party has mo moved. liz: senator, 15 house democrats, did not vote in favor

of the bipartisan resolution supporting israel and condemning hamas what is going on here. ted: bullock, it is had this tragic and he's right there, one of the really dangerous developments we've seen in recent years is that rise of the radical left of a blatant, hatred for israel and a naked anti-semitism. in the squad come to despise israel and you saw it right there we see is anti-semitism on college campuses across the country, and with the jewish students are being threatened and is wrong, in my view, america stands with israel and these terrorists are monsters and these are war crimes in israel's right to defend himself. liz: that's right will stay in this come back soon and coming up from the watchdog group, america's republic trust, caitlin sutherland also former congressional investigators sam dewey and fox news contributor,

all fired up and ready to go, new house speaker mike johnson is very likely the president submitted impeachable offenses is at the house gop is ready to subpoena including hunter biden plus new york post john levine joins us on the federal judge in the 2020 election interference case, reimposing a gag order on former president trump and he said will find it as unconstitutional we been covering the story breaking news on that and it coming up on the evening edit.

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order gives former president trump and the federal 2020 case and what was your reaction when you heard that. john: little strikes me is just sort of semi- unconstitutional the right of free speech in this country, and this we have institutions like the aclu have come out against these gag orders either overly broad and is impinging on former president trump's right to free expression more broadly, if it is about here, the iowa caucuses are like, two months away is getting very close and trump is a leading candidate, and it appears there's part of a coordinated effort to keep them from speaking to shut them up an effort to hamper is from there keep the american people from voting from him prevented from rendering a judgment on them and are trying to disqualify an interest qualify him from running so is not a fair fight and is wrong and since a version of our systems. liz: live whether you hate of our love them or whatever you feel, they filed a brief is saying is unconstitutional these gag orders. john: girlfriend from.

liz: is a truly cannot criticize special counsel jack smith coming in of his prosecutors are staffers any of the course itself or any missus. john: they are free to link to high heaven everybody the newspaper with an ounce of thank you, that he cannot respond and again, it is to be know him the ability to successfully run a presidential campaign and its roots of all of the. liz: 's of the sea bass judge, gag order it is separate to the one issued by judge in new york overseeing the civil fraud trial right. john: right. liz: he's issued finds that total 15000 violating his gag order and so you have doubted soberness is sullied in these cases will be dragged out and basically if he violates the federal judges gag order, what will she do threaten him with present. john: pollutants judge find them 5,010,000 is morning will you know if you violating gag order again is going to be worse bowens i look like as you just said, will be present leap of

the leading republican presidential candidate, in prison is he going to win the iowa caucuses from behind bars this or we will go as a country, i don't know what i don't know if they want to go there but that certainly what it looks like he could be heading. liz: mike pence is dropping his bed step down from running the 2024 race, and you have candidates really ripping into trump while he has fighting these court cases right is are you going to hear 2024 candidate nikki haley here, and watch t this. >> this takes cannot be higher, and given the stakes, we cannot have four years of chaos, vendettas and drama and eight years ago, it was good to have a leader who broke things. but right now we need a leader who also knows how to put things back together, america needs a captain, who will study the ship, not capsize it predict and as president, i will not complement them nor will i criticize israel's prime minister in the middle of a tragedy in war.

liz: final were john levine. john: that is the process and all of the have to make your argument to the voters of the voters decide and is free from political or visual interference and as for mike pence, he is the first major dropout them somebody to never really resonated with the voters heavy somebody likes what mike pence did as vice president, you have his boss former president trump who is on the ballot and so is never really had a lane here and he is very man maybe he'll right and i spoke. and wishing well. liz: john levine maybe a report about it new great and think you for joining us tonight okay, the story we will take it on coming speaker of the house mike johnson, said that it is very likely the president invited committed impeachable offenses sing full steam ahead, for the house gop impeachment inquiry, they will try to subpoena hunter biden and where is the media this story, billionaire george - foundation, reported he gave millions of dollars two groups behind the anti- israel pro- hamas protest nationwide will to

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liz: let's talk to tom from house oversight is good to see you and think you for joining us tonight. >> think you for having me. liz: so we have house speaker mike johnson, the house will continue his impeachment inquiry is president biden we had oversight chair james already tellings house lawmakers will subpoena hunter and james biden, speaker mike johnson, reaffirmed, the speed of hundred and hunter biden is a true and you guys going to subpoena jim biden as well. tom: yes, i think so and i thank you so important to note that those macomber tran 19 they don't like and the speaker perfect timing on this. follow the legal folks are telling us. liz: okay let's watch speaker

johnson on this and take a listen. >> no i think that desperate times call for desperate measures and that perhaps is overdue where the rule of law team, we don't not use this for political partisan gains of the democrats done and did against donald trump twice, we're going to follow the law and follow the constitution and i think a week will you and i have a suspicion of where that may lead about going to let the evidence speak for himself and that is the reason we shifted into the impeachment inquiry stage the president himself because if in fact, all of the evidence leads to where we believe it will, that is very likely impeachable offenses. liz: so it is a standdown with the evidence you have now. tom: well, it's very clear what is going on. and the members of the biden family, funneling money to the president obviously in the payoff political contacts. i don't know how much more you need but you know, the reality is, the no matter what we do,

the justice department will not do anything, they are completely corrupted by this organization and if you're conservative, your mother out there, questioning your school board, no hellfire you're going to be liable domestic terrorist but if you're buying off a president or your filtering illegal money to them, they should not paying any millions of dollars is not paying taxes on, you know, the democrat talking points. liz: speaker johnson also claimed the president biden is engaged in an ongoing cover-up and is lied repeatedly about his knowledge and involvement in the hunter biden business dealings of the family business dealings. the me backup, is it any way conceivable, the hunter biden was selling himself to overstate that actors and overseas state bad actors as follows if you give me millions of bucks, as you make the lead if you have access to my father, plus my father has no idea of doing this

at all, but i just had one ever flown with anyone overseas, just knowing hunter biden for his expertise in paying the family tens of millions of dollars, just under expertise alone of the family connections. tom: well if it was true, why would he be connecting his father with these folks and why would be a businesses with invokes and joe biden in the vice president. and carryover now i think that is the question to bs and hunter hunter biden, needs to ask whether he is complete fraud was he in fact doing something to connect him with his father which is in many witnesses have said that the his saying that. they even the president's brother said the biden name and you're buying the brand more or less in so yes, i think he oversold himself. and he had zero credentials of them being the vice president son at the time another presence on but you have to ask yourself, and at some point, ended that

were not get out that hey after a few million dollars, we've invested in this knucklehead, is a going to be and were getting anything in return i suspect they were getting something in return. those people are - hiding. liz: now senator grassley said there are more than 40 fbi sources and also whistleblowers saying hey, their stuff going on here pretty okay thank you for joining us it is good to see you. tom: thank you. liz: what the heck is going on in the democrat party, you're going to see this california governor gavin newsom, faisal child in the endgame in china, and president biden phase 1979, jimmy carter moment, vice president kamala harris has a reassure saying that joe biden is very much alive on 60 minutes and also coming up from the watchdog group, he americans republic come across caitlin sutherland is here, and democrats are going after things like supreme court justice clarence thomas and while those

sewers main foundation funneling millions of dollars to pro- hamas in groups here in the u.s. and finding anti- israel protest will break it down next on the evening edit. >> one of the under edge and ironies is an american jew, you're safer in saudi arabia right now than you are in the college campus like the university. trading at schwab is now powered by ameritrade, unlocking the power of thinkorswim, the award-winning trading platforms. bring your trades into focus on thinkorswim desktop with robust charting and analysis tools, including over 400 technical studies. tailor the platforms to your unique needs with nearly endless customization.

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monitor and track anti-semitic rhetoric and activity, but it looks like is up against big bucks from the soros foundation which is backed by biden white house in the past and medicine at a protest this weekend and medicine, let's take a, what you have. >> liz absolutely, since octobet on college campuses major cities include justice past weekend and when thousands of protesters at the brooklyn bridge behind me and what we are learning is at the powerhouse is on the left, or donating to millions of dollars to the groups in order to find them and event this anti- israel behavior pretty according to the new york post, george soros open society foundation, has been called more than $15 million, to the groups behind these protests and foxbusiness reached out to the open society foundations for response to the report is most reason for the coming said the following saying that the open society foundations i likened them to the bridge will have tax

on israeli citizens on october 7 we grieve for the lives lost and entered is taken hostage in their families and then went on to say that they do support both group saying like so many others around the world today, we also feel the same pain for the palestinian citizens of's lives are having lawson tragically mounting numbers because of the conflict pretty and then when it comes to the funding they say that our support has included funding israeli and palestinian organizations the research and document violations of human rights and international humanitarian law and out other organizations outside of the soros, are changing who is getting a grant money because of the organized protests and events of we have seen across the country. about the new venture fund, and when word fun, tele- foxbusiness, that they are no longer providing grants, for the alliance for global justice and outcome of the group has received congressional scrutiny, because of his ties to the popular front for the liberation of palestine and that is a

syrian -based terrorist organization. the vetting no longer going to them but sometimes when the fighting already goes, it is a bit too late. liz: madison great reporting and thank you so much and less welcome coming to the show, the executive director the watchdog group, emergence republic trust, caitlin sutherland is good to see you and your pointing this out and i think you're making this point, you know that the media, you know i'm done a lot of stories and numerous stories and things like justice clarence thomas and the conservative movement without a word about how far left groups fund anti-semitic pro- hamas organizations of protest. caitlin: that is absolutely right, the media seems to be completely silent in the court and aided effort on the left, funding these anti- israel pro- hamas groups with leaders being george soros and arabella advisors network, finally tens of millions of dollars and if not more, to supported pop up these radical causes, that are spreading hate, and major cities

and in college campuses across the united states. liz: okay then have these police and the fbi now probing potential death threats and crimes against jewish students in cornell university buried heinous threats are posted online and some of them declaring - and glory to hamas and anti-semitism it is a bed at harvard, and the university had to create a new anti-semitism advisory board. in the university of california ethnic studies faculty council, demands the entire california university system suckling hamas, terrorist animals slaughtered 1400 innocent israeli citizens and how can they not be called terrorists. caitlin: you know it is absolutely horrific, what we have seen of these college campuses and that is why we see some donors, rethink even giving to these institutions that are harboring these ideas have radical us, who refuse to say hamas are terrorists losing terms like, militants and these are the same college campuses

that it created, safe spaces for individuals who feel like they did not agree with the voices on the right now, they are the breeding ground to spew hatred across the united states instead of standing with our allies in israel. liz: foreign influence with the way, foreign influence in the u.s. universities, not just china, cutter is one of the most biggest hamas supporting nations in the world pretty kansas reform reports, it is been funding u.s. universities and you can also see, florida governor wendy santos here. is listen to the governor here in this story on this topic and watch this. >> this group, they themselves said in the aftermath of the hamas attack, they don't just stand in solidarity, that they are part of this hamas movement and so, you write it to god and demonstrate as you can provide material support to terrorism, they blanket themselves to hamas and so we absolutely decertify

them and they should not get one red cent of taxpayer dollars and we also have strong laws against fundraising for groups like hamas and reinforcing those vigorously is not a first amendment is it supported terrorism issue. caitlin: the foreign funding of our universities is something that americans republic trust are looking into, and we will review the foreign funding sources have any sort of anti- israel groups throughout these campuses. liz: thank you for joining us is good to see you. caitlin: think you for having me. liz: who is behind this bush to try to get former president trump kicked off of the ballot in u.s. states, the former presidents lawyers, calls this an undemocratic and unconstitutional drive. we will break it down what is really behind this bush, and plus "fox news" contributor tammy roos on the 2024, gas of blunders, including governor gavin newsom plowing over the little boy at a passable court in china. the first check in with our

friends, jacky deangelis who was in or dagen mcdowell and sean duffy and was up on the bottom line seamen with global conflicts playing off, is of course oregon and nevis of the place up everything a day and joe biden's world as well as an economy that is lapsing and we have guy and clay both on this. >> also met palombo and were talking about the dark money from the left this, that is funding these pro- palestinian protests and anti-semitism across the country at us and we have steve malloy, were talking about some of the companies that may need bailouts when all is said and done because of bidens green agenda, make sure you tune in.

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liz: possible is good to see yos is about media coverage of the work and reports a president biden rage was angry about the new york times in private white house meeting and calling the times irresponsible for his headlines, blaming israel for the bombing of a gaza hospital, and multiple sources tammy saves a failed hamas rocket but biden reportedly said, the times headlines could've triggered military escalation in the mideast when you make of the story.

tammy: was two things that are problem here, that if in fact, he is worried that the new york times is going to determine what america knows or understands, that is not hopefully not going to happen prayed for the rest of the world is going to do me some of the new york times said and that is in and of itself a problem. i think what this indicates mostly is that there's something internally, there saying the numbers and they of course will resources who tell you this, perhaps that was the point is like will even aoc, tweeted something about what we have to support israel that is horrible what is happening and suddenly, you think that there seeing internal numbers that are collapsing under disastrous for them because the humanity understands what is going on unlike the democratic party in this country. liz: something were at the center point of this point in time tammy as to what you are saying and you mean him kamala harris was being called the disastrous 60 minutes interview pretty talking about reassuring that biden is life and axial is

reporting that this is jimmy carter's moment prayed and destabilizing and overseas crisis in afghanistan and ukraine in israel. the s&p 500 battling to stay out of the corruption which is centered sit tight we want you to listen to kamala harris and listen to the phillips the 2024, democrat contender and watch this. >> it is a massive crisis in america right now, the cost of living come a people's mortgages are skyrocketing, the fewest weeks was even food is too expensive and healthcare if it is even obtainable, his double the price of anywhere in the world and american a middle-class, and hard-working people, her not being heard and they were angry and frustrated, we are border crisis we have cities and chaos. >> will first of all i'm not going to engage in the hypothetical is joe biden is very much alive and running for reelection. >> yes, the biden and harris ticket, is running neck and neck, with donald trump. and why are you not 30 points

ahead. >> another political content his oh i'm not going to speak to that. liz: she can't. jacky: then what you you make of that tammy. tammy: will is fascinating and that you have a dynamic a, and i like his questions and she of course is kamala and none of it makes any sense. she cannot take a stand on anything but they are afraid and i think that's what you see the adjustment since hit have been made and also, this argument unit with the democrats and have a democrat in desantis, that this countries a disaster right now, is because of obvious tempo policies that people have been complaining about him now for years. and if you absolutely understand as he seems to, that the country is going into a volcano, and the why is he still democrat and a member of the party. so come on, let's grow up and take a stand just like people have to on israel. and of the jewish people. and the realization that suddenly our generation has to

be honest in a has to stand up and i wonder, what happened to germany and have this happen because people did not stand up and now is the time to stand up. liz: now is the time and tammy bruce your terrific and come back soon is good to see you my friend and okay on the court cases on this pretty to boot trump off of the ballot in multiple states and talking colorado, michigan, minnesota and all of this off this week, 15 states are now talking about this but he was really behind this push, was driving most of these cases. were going to get to that mystery next on the evening edit.

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liz: stamp duty to see you again and we have corgis is now kicking off this week in colorado and minnesota and, to decide whether to remove and kick off president trump from their states ballots in 2024 and based on 14th amendment grants undergrounds can you explain the. sam: will so the 14th amendment, it bars one from holy in office who is engaged in indian insurrection and rebellion and it was a specific solution into the problem of what you do as part of reconstruction with those in the former self who actively rebelled against country, mainly members of the confederate military or the confederate government. this language was put in and it

was used in that manner. and since said, there is no precedence for this and it has not been litigated and the only thing on the books are federal statutes pretty certain ones like, the federal criminal statute prohibiting insurrection, which i, that if you're convicted of this crime, then you cannot hold office has a consequent as of conviction. liz: but trump with impeaching the senate equated on charges of incitement of insurrection and he was not charged with sedition himself and the other thing, 70s cases are spearheaded by citizens for responsibility in washington and responsibly ethics in washington and it is called crew, you know samba thing is those that may look like a new nationwide movement to remove trump the states ballots but it's deceptive and the majority of the 15 states, where this push is happening, 12 of the states, the bushes reportedly led by one man, john anthony castro texas resident a

longshot candidate for the gop nomination and he is a guy, filing lawsuits across the country and these 12 states and what you think. sam: i think that is right, it is somewhat trained and localized effort, this is not what i would call a mainstream legal theory by any stretch of the imagination, than any election officer or local judge can resolve these willy-nilly. i think that just goes to the puzzling nature of the proceeding, absent of conviction under the federal statute, why is this being resolved how we normally is. by the political process, we had an impeachment and he was acquitted and now we go to the voters. it just seems very odd to me. liz: william trump has no say in this michigan's cases thing that you can file a brief but you're not a party to this case. so he has no say in any of these and many of these cases in the states. sam: that is correct and i think that it's awed the michigan say we can file this brief and you would think he would be allowed

to intervene since he has not - legal interest in being on the ballot. anyone want to be a party to the case. we will see what happens i think that none of these cases are going to get very far and if you do to get a nod ruling, the judge, i think you're going to see it quickly reversed. liz: so trump can fight it at point guess right. sam: correct. liz: okay similarly, thank you for joining us and we appreciate you and your insights we need your expertise and some of these really kind of complex stories you broke down beautifully so i for the viewer thank you so much joining us tomorrow night we have also oversight chairman james comer and he would talk to us about the biden impeachment inquiry. i also retired lt. col. james - and former councilmember of economic advisors, one and only, former chair and he is kevin hansen we have hush over ula senate right now over to jackie and sean for the hit show the bottom line is good to see you guys. sean: thank you and appreciated.