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speaking of getting stuff done, liz macdonald is here. elizabeth: we love professor kudlow. thank you, larry. it's good to see you. okay, this, we've got the footage of israeli parliamentarians breaking down in tears after a new screening of hamas' terror atrocities. plus, hamas officials lead jet setting lives of luxury abroad as overtaxed gaza. order gaza to destroy israel. we have the story. major white house confusion over ceasefire calls and the white house appeasing aran. a new un report, iran's executions of civilians up in alarming 30%. we've got anti-israel students protest hillary clinton's class at columbia university and two dozen law firms warning universities with anti-semitic protests and we're not hiring your graduates. and sanctuary city mayors demand

even more money $5 million in taxpayer funds to handle biden's border crisis and trump's eyes a major shift in border policy if he's reelected and elon musk slams george soros for "eroding civilization". we have the sound. i'm elizabeth macdonald and the evening edit starts right now. retired u.s. air force four star general phillip breedlove and served as commander of supreme allied command for europe and also with us four-time combat veteran that served in afghanistan and iraq and retired lieutenant colonel daniel davis. gentlemen, thank you for joining us tonight. general, first to you, let's show the video, show the footage, more than 55 members of israel's left in tears and shock and one needed sedation after that closed door screening of hamas' terror atrocities on october 7 where 1400 israelis

were slaughtered. general, have you ever seen anything like what hamas did in your career? >> first, thanks for having me on. i would say no, all though close behind this is what mr. putin and his armies did in ukraine and torture of children et cetera. this clearly has reached out to a very new level, and i think already the world's trying to forget this. they're now onto hamas' theme of trying to bring pressure on israel for what it's doing. elizabeth: colonel, what's your reaction? you heard what the gentlemen of the jury is saying and, colonel, israel saw the raw football games football and, colonel, there's confusion for the white house seeing a fees fire. what do you think? >> yeah, i'm not sure that the white house is calling for a cease-fire as much as a humanitarian pause because

netanyahu himself said there's absolutely not going to be a cease-fire. their objective is the destruction of hamas and no one to negotiate with and they don't want to negotiate in large part of what you just showed. the outrage of the brutality that was inflicted upon the israeli citizens and that's what they're going to go into. there's as an american and as a human person, we also don't want the large numbers of palestinian civilians to pay an inodder innocent price also for what hamas has done and they're as innocent as israeli people and it's just as good for the united states to say have this pause. elizabeth: but the palestinians -- the palestinians elected hamas and kept hamas in power. >> they sure d. there's no doubt. but they don't deserve to be literally slaughtered in large numbers either because they hired these political people. that was by the way in 2007 and they haven't been allowed to vote since. elizabeth: there's no election since.

listen to israel's defense minister, watch this. >> we are not going to stop till we eliminate all of them, all levels of command and lower. the enemy has two options only. either to die or to give up, surveillance render without any conditions. elizabeth: general, 400 american citizens approved to leave gaza and the number keeps going up. reports of 32 children hamas has kidnapped. >> well, there's no doubt. there is no lack of disregard for international law and war that hamas hasn't stepped across and left behind. now they continue every day in using the gazan people and these

captives as the shields to continue to perpetrate their hunt. we heard their leader yesterday speak clearly that this is not the end of this, there will be more. elizabeth: yeah, hamas get aston of money. a lot of money and the backing from iran, colonel. the white house has been criticized for appeasing iran and iran's execution of civilians up 30% and iran is carrying out executions at a "alarming rate". what do you think of that, colonel. >> i mean, that's obviously a hideous thing as well and certainly unfortunately not surprising because iran has had very little regard for their own citizens for quite along time. lots are political prisoners and being killed and we have to think strategically and not just

emotionally based on a lot of things with we need to deter iran which we can do with the existing force structure and don't want to get caught up in emotions and may end up striking iran in regards to some of the other thins that hamas did. get us draw into a war and that would be a big loss for us and that would frankly be a win for hamas and exactly what they want to do. elizabeth: general, wrap this up and we're seeing activity in gaza, flares lighting up cpi new explosions. general, where does this lead? what's your forecast, general. >> well, i'd like to reply a little bit for what the colonel just said. we do have the right kind of stuff and enough stuff to deter iran and hamas, but i think the colonel will agree with me that deterrence is more than having stuff. it is credibility and it is when the enemy understands you have intent, and i think that's where we need to begin to work now. iran needs to understand that we

do have intent, and we do have credibility when we make these statements about don't and other things. elizabeth: god t general breedlove and lieutenant colonel disable, thank you for being on and we appreciate you. joining us is a former member of israel's partner and former elite antitank commander with the israeli defense force and he's erel margalit. erel, thank you for joining us live from jerusalem. >> thank you for having me. elizabeth: that you can't so much. we appreciate you coming on. white house spokesman john kirby denounced the hamas leader that went on television saying israel can expect a october 7 massacre again and again and again till israel is annihilated. what was your reaction to that? >> well, you know, it's the determination in israel is really strong because of such comments and because of the massacre that you guys spoke about in the begins of the show.

when people are seeing the killings, the murdering, the terror of women, of children, beheading people, young people at a party, it's unbelievable. you ask yourself, where do they have all this power, all this money, where do they have all these ammunitions for? well, hamas is funded in a very big way. it's the second largest, richest organization, terror organization in the world after isis. it has about $2.5 billion of annual budget, which is about 70% of the gdp that basically goes for weapons, for missiles, for drones against israel, for the kind of ammunition that they are using and they've used in one mess keystone lake. they want to use in another massacre, and we need to understand, we in israel are determined to go after them because of their ideology and what they are doing. they are determined to wipe out

israel, and we're not going to allow anybody to do that. our forces are fighting very strongly on the streets in three levels, underground, overground with the buildings over the ground. it's very difficult war fair and they're go -- warfare and going from one tunnel to another and in gaza city and taking one stand after the other. elizabeth: you know, erel, hamas leaders are similar to al-qaida leader osama bin laden that lived in luxury while ordering suicide bombers to do his dirty work. erel, we saw report that hamas hertists built a secret financial empire and noted billions of dollars not to spend on the people of gaza, 80% live in poverty and half are without a job but attacking israel and jet setting lifestyles abroad and palestinians said they've fled to lives of luxuries in hotels in villas abroad in doha,

beirut, and isr istanbul and overtaxing the people of gaza. what do you make of this? >> that's true. israel withdrew -- people don't understand around the world that israel had an internal debate within our society. we withdrew from gaza, we gave gaza to the gazans in order to build a country, to build a society. the money that hamas wants to -- once they took over, the money that's gotten into gaza has all been used for ammunition, rockets, and missiles against israel. now, the hamas leader himself, he lives in qatar. some of the other leaders live outside of the gazan border. some of them they say they're billionaires, mil milli milliond he was traveling on a private jet no iran to speak to them. i'm saying they're not seeing the people of gaza. they're not seeing the people of gaza when we're coming in because they're not allowing them to be evacuated and insisting they stay in their

homes. they're building their bases underneath hospitals, underneath schools, underneath mosques, inside the population and what we're trying to do, we have no quarrel with many of the gazan people themselves. i was in the parliament and we opened up the gates and allowed 30,000 people from gaza to work in israel every day. we want them to make a living. we want the gazan people that want to live next to israel to be successful. but we don't want people to then take after hamas in order to turn an entire society into a terrorist society against israel. elizabeth: erel, did you see the footage of the 10/7 massacre? >> i did. i did. some of it and it's horrible. i mean, my family, myself, we saw pieces of it. it's unbelievable. it's so cruel. it is so cruel that you cannot believe it. elizabeth: got it. erel smokers margalit, thank you

for joining us. thank you so much. >> one more word. as we're speaking israeli companies and arab companies are working together to stop the terror and stop the money. the money is the issue behind the weapons and we need to work together. israel, the u.s., the countries here in the region in order to stop the funding of this terrorist organization because the money makes them go and we need to stop it. elizabeth: got it. thank you so much. good to have you on. still ahead, new hampshire governor chris sununu, steve forbes with us and treasury secretary under trump monica crowley and rich lowry and lawmakers are "weaponnizing his addictions to go after his father". gop lawmakers say, no, you and your family, the bidens, profited bigly off your father's name and government job. plus, we have the american islamic forum for democracy, anti-israel students stage a

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elizabeth: eruption of anti-semitism at u.s. universities and george mason university investigating who's tearing up posters depicting kidnapped israeli children held hostage by hamas. hillary vaughn with more. reporter: good evening. a student caught rips off a poster on a bulletin board showing a hostage taken by hamas and the student call it had "propaganda" and george mason university is getting attention for the straightforward rebuke of what happened releasing a statement saying property destruction is not constitutionally protected speed and code of conduct violation and gmu violation and vice

president paul alvin telling me they've unrolled new safety measures for students and online portal to report incidents like this to investigate. >> people have the right to express themselves in ways that are appropriate and there was nothing inappropriate about a poster being put up that express that had view. the code of conduct can be a valuable tool to use when something might not rise to l level of being criminal and more than somebody behaving badly. reporter: not just gmu with a code of conducts and students agree to abide by and yale has in their code of conduct that "i intimidation of any member of the community is contrary to the basic principles of the university and such action will ordinarily result in temporary or permanent separation from yale college". some jewish students don't feel safe and don't think the university is doing enough to reign in threats. we've not seen many colleges using code of conduct to punish students for acting out and making jewish peers feel unsafe.

liz. elizabeth: hillary vaughn, thank you so much. welcome zuhdi jasser and the founder of american islamic forum for democracy. zuhdi, what do you make of two dozen anti-israel protesters stage a walkout from hillary clinton's lecture at columbia university, what do you think? >> well, it's interesting that you and i have been talking about it for so long which is the hypocrisy and blm movement for example and you had riots and violence and destruction done, and there seems to be a moral vacancy. we saw that time the life of lewis vericon leading with a deep anti-semitism and now the red green access and combination of marxist in the world fed by the chinese communist party and the iranian regime and the brotherhood of the hamas and al-qaidas of the world and uniting with any means and moral vacancy and civilize in the west

and uncivillized and at the head of the spear is the jewish community, and it's not only about the demonstrations of those walking out, where are the democrats that are truly about humanity and not demonstrating for academic reform. we had an era five years ago where we used to cancel somebody because they were one thing ten years ago and now they're doing it in realtime and nobody is saying anything. it's not american. elizabeth: zuhdi, this is backfiring and two dozen top law firms cosigned a letter warning law schools they'll not hire their graduates because of anti-semitic rallies at the schools. we're talking big guns and then senator marco rubio introducing legislation to ban federal student aid to colleges who havr anti-israel rallies on their campuses. what do you say to that? >> i think that legislation about banning aid is very important. we should not be funding the own de-misseems.

our national solve -- demise. our sovereignty like we're hemorrhage ago the the border and hemorrhages in our mindset as far as what america stands for and who we are and who we are not and the mindset is coming into the country and anti-semitic blood rival against israel. they're fighting for the defense of a democracy that was attacked by people worse than animals, and yet when they go to defend themselves, it's not supposedly a righteous war actually the palestinians are the victims. that doesn't make any sense. academic leaders need to stand up against that and teach their students what real humanity is and what the west stands for and we should no longer fund that through the federal government. yes, there needs moral accountability if you're hiring future attorneys and others and maybe it makes sense to tell them in realtime, you posted this, you won't be hired. we used to talk about it ten years ago that an old fleet would be expose that had somehow that was now a reality. elizabeth: zuhdi, now there's 50

u.s. university withs anti-israel ral rallies and 130 professors call it a military action obstructing cerumen october 7 when innocent childrens were slaughtered and university of pennsylvania student refers to hamas terrorists as freedom fighters. you see it go on and on and on. harvard student getting mobbed by pro hamas demonstrators yelling shame at him on campus. seeing all of that and it's going through the ivy league schools, you got to wonder what's been going on in the u.s. university system for the last 10, 15, 20 years. >> i have three kids, two of them are college age, 21 and 19 and sometimes we have conferses about what is being taught there. supposed to be about critical thinking and moral courage and speak truth to power and the montra the left uses all the time. they're speaking corruption and apologizing for the worst violence in humanity. not defending those who were

attacked. they had departments about islam phobia and that is preventing blahs fade patternmy. this is -- blahs fade patternmy. mime and -- -- elizabeth: theye saying no to illegal immigration and demanding the white house give them $5 billion of your taxpayer money to fix and handle biden's border crisis. we have former treasury secretary for public affairs monica crowley is here. new developments in the future inquiry to president biden is a big check, $40,000, paid to joe biden looks like he did get 10% for the big guy. that tony bobulinski talked about from huntedder biden's deal with china. it's on "the evening edit" next.

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and certainly as vice president leveraging his position with some of america's worsted aerer sayres in order to -- adversaries to enrich and empower themselves at rich and detriment of the national security. we have this $40,000 payment and then again today in court in the hunter biden case, hunter biden today, liz, admitted to a court of law that he in fact got over $660,000 from this ccp-backed chinese energy firm cefc, and that directly contradicts what joe biden said throughout the 2020 campaign lying on the national debate stage, lying to the national press and to the american people that neither his son hunter nor anybody else in his family earned any money from china. we now have a tsunami of evidence comes at us, liz, that was an absolute lie. elizabeth: what you're saying is hunter biden admitted in court that, yeah, he did get $664,000

i think from a chinese infrastructure deal in china. that just totally undercuts the president saying, you know, he didn't make any money from china. house oversight order reveal that had james biden paid joe biden $200,000 in march of 2018, the same day that james biden got a $200,000 transfer from that troubled hospital company americorps and he was pledging to use his political connections and biden name to get a middle eastern investor for that one. so this feels like more and more evidence is piling up, monica. >> oh, yeah. mountains and mountains of evidence thanks to james comer and house oversight and hunter biden court process, which is going on now and he's being forced to admit these kinds of international business transactions and we have bank records, liz, and house oversight members go to the treasury department and see

nearly 200 suspicious activity reports that were flagged for treasury of all kinds of massive movements of money and raised all kinds of flags and banks to treasury and we are now in process of building this case but the corruption runs so deep and now i think it's fair to say that joe biden along with his wingman and the press who protected these lies have been telling untruths to the american people going back now years about how he has leveraged his political office to enrich and empower his own family and himself. elizabeth: got it, monica crowley, thanks for joining us. good to have you on. >> always a pleasure, liz. elizabeth: same here. elon musk was after george sore soros for "literally eroding the fabric of society". chris sununu here and mayors of new york, chicago, los angeles, denver and houston, they're sanctuary cities but demanding

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biden white house. they're demanding $5 billion in taxpayer funds to handle the president's border crisis that he broke in the first place. edward lawrence is live at the white house with the details. edward. >> yeah, liz, two of the mayors showed up here at the white house and made the case of needing the $5 billion to help with influx of mig migrants that cross the southern border illegally and the mayors met with chief of staff of the president but not the president. the mayor of chicago told me he opened one shelter per month since he's been in office to house migrants that illegally crossed the southern border. >> we continue to work to make sure that there are dignified places for individuals seeking asylum can lay their heads. it's going to require the full force of government at every level to intervene here. reporter: about 6.2 million people have illegally crossed the southern border since president biden took office. the biden administration sending many of those people to cities all over the country and texas

governor using buss to send some of those migrants to other cities so after i asked the denver mayor about those people skipping the line to legal immigration, he told me when someone crosses the border and gets processed, they should get a job. >> we believe that congress and the president will decide what they want the entrance policies to be. our belief is whatever entrance policy they decide on, it should come with the anl to work when you arrive. the last thing we want is folks to come 2,000 mice and fought as hard as they did to get here and arrive in the u.s. and say please don't work. reporter: the white house trying to expand that work permit program to help some of the migrants that illegally crossed the southern border and processed get a job. but no talk here from those two mayors about stopping the flow of migrants. liz. elizabeth: got it. edward lawrence, got to see you. thank you. governor of new hampshire, vis sununu is here.

what's your reaction to that story in >> look, you reap what you sow. democrat mayors are promoting sanctuary city policies and now it's on their front doorstep and a complete disaster and anyone thinks that just by providing more money to them will solve that problem, no, as you were just reporting, the issue start withs a border policy, with a secure border. you know, you have to go to the roll of the problem and the root of the problem is something that 330 million americans are staring right at. everyone seems to know the solution other than joe biden at this point. it's hypocrisy at its work and hypocrisy is very ironic sometimes and some of the cities are reaping it now. this is why policy matters. this is why voting for the right candidates matter. elections matter and these things can have how long impacts in their life. what's happening in the cities. they'll have homeless - crisis and mental health crisis and drug crises and people leaving the cities in droves. look at san francisco or los

angeles or chicago. people are leaving the cities in droves to come to placing like new hampshire and tennessee and florida and texas. you've never seen such a dichotomy between the red and blue states between good decisions, bad decisions because there's accountability at the end of the line. elizabeth: we love the progress for your state of new hampshire -- plug for your state of new hampshire, governor. trump is talking about reversing all of biden's hundred of executive actions to weaken the border policies and trump saying he'll bring the border policies back. now this, the biden white house is advising schools across america to battle fentanyl, pouring across the border collapse. they're telling the schools to keep the fentanyl overdose drug narcan stocked on their school shelves. i mean, we're seeing of course fentanyl overdoses and poisonings skyrocket. you see on the back end what they're fog what you're saying on the front end is secure the border. >> that's it. this is a 50 state issue.

it's not just a texas issue. it is a 50 state issue. it's hitting everywhere. when you look at how much trafficking and sexual trafficking and the drugs that are coming over in un--- effectively unlimited type quantities, you know, trump had good border policies. there's no doubt about it. i would have liked it if he built the wall he said he was going to build and have mexico pay for it. that didn't pan out. elizabeth: he was roadblocked throughout that. >> by who? elizabeth: by congress. congress. >> by republicans? he couldn't work with his own republicans? if you can't work with republicans then you admit he has no chance of getting anything done. elizabeth: listen, this border crisis is hitting the president's polls. aaxios reporting that democrat are moving to remove their own democrat governor and democrats

are positioning themselves to run for president possibly next year if president buyen drops out. look at nameses. robin lou canna in -- ro khanna, cory booker and boosting their profiles says axios if case biden drops out. polls are not good for the president. they're pretty dire. >> i've said for a long time, i don't think biden is ultimately on the ticket in '24. he'll go through the primaries and collect as many delegates and there's a chance that knowing where he is today and the disaster that he's likely going to be in both physically and mental state by the time the convention comes, he and the democrats or one or the other comes up with a plan to move the delegates and position maker to the individuals on the list. gretchen whitmer is a top candidate there. we'll see where it all goes, but the democrats have -- especially if trump is on the ticket, there's an amazing opportunity to put somebody else on the ticket and run the table. just like in '22 against trump-style candidates and

messages. elizabeth: got it. >> i supported the former president and still think he had the right policies, but we need a conservative who can both win in '24 and actually achieve fiscal discipline. achieve draining of the swamp, achieve securing the border and these are things that matter. elizabeth: i have to run. are you going to run? >> no, no. i'm going to help all the candidates be the best versions of themselves going through new hampshire. elizabeth: governor, you're a lot of fun. come back. we love having you on. >> any time. elizabeth: coming up, rich law reigns leading of national review. he'll take on elon musk talking to far left billionaire george soros. musk really giving to soros saying soros is fundamentally that he hates humanity and eroding american society. we have the sound. we want to check in first with our buddies jackie deangeles in for dagen mcdowell and sean duffy. what's coming up next on the bottom line. >> hey, the house pass ago $14 billion israel only aid package and the senate said it

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station has come back a little bit but for awhile, it was totally emptied out and they didn't want a bench or a chair anymore in the open because a homeless person would sit there or use it. that is degrading our civilization. then musk's diagnosis here that these da races are very cheap and are a billionaire to throw un-many around and this is a cost effective way to do it. you don't have to change laws. changing laws is difficult. need to pass through a legislature and get a governor to sign them or city council needs to pass them and a mayor. whatever. but if you just get a da who's going to refuse to force the laws, you've in effect changed the laws of that jurisdiction just by winning a relatively cheap da race. on the central points here, musk is absolutely right. elizabeth: let's listen to musk here, watch. >> well, he's doing th things tt erode the fabric of civilization. getting das elected that refuse to prosecute crime.

that's part of the problem in san francisco. and la and other cities. once you get to sort of city and state district attorneys, the value of money is extremely good and soros realized that you don't need to change the laws, you just need to change how they're enforced. elizabeth: that's really interesting what he said, rich. soros cement like $40 million. show them getting the far left das and officials elected all over the country and, rich, there's no cash bail, de-criminalization of crimes like theft, robbery, assault. just recently la county da george gascon dropped felony charges against a man caught on camera sexual assaulting a woman in long beach, california, because he thought prosecutors would be unable to prove intent when the guy is on camera. >> yeah, disgusting.ing. elizabeth: so you don't need to change the laws but how they're enforced. >> he's absolutely right. the bitter irony is not in most

cases but high profile cases we heard about it and it's not affluent people suffering from the misrule of these das. it's poor minorities who live in dangerous neighborhoods that need to be really well policed that have some really dangerous bad people who need to be put away. if they're put away, those places will be safer. if they're not, they'll be more dangerous and unfortunately that's what we've seen in recent years in the big cities. elizabeth: rich lowry, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. elizabeth: coming up, the house just passed the $14 billion aid package for israel. looks like the senate will veto it. we have this story, steve forbes is coming in and chair and editor and chief of forbes media. democrats and republicans, democrats are joining republicans cheering that a big company just pulled a plug and canceled a biden-backed wind power farm off the coast of new jersey. we'll explain this. steve takes it on next. tructor:.

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elizabeth: well, look who's here, my former boss, i love him. he's "forbes" media and i what -- chair and editor-in-chief can, steve forbes. the house just passed the $14 billion stand-alone aid package for israel. i think it's funded with cuts to the new irs funding in the inflation reduction act, so it's probably dead on arrival in the senate. what did you think of this? >> i'm glad they passed the bill.

i wish they left the irs out of it, don't leave the left r a way out of it. just headache it tour. -- make it pure. and also pass a new bill for aid to ukraine. pass a new bill for the aid to dissidents in iran and things like that. so get the thing done. the senate, i don't know what they're going to do, but it's, i think, shocking. we have two critical allies concern israel, under the gun, ukraine under the gun, and these people just can't seem to be doing quickly what should have been done weeks ago. elizabeth: suddenly we see robs with the president's poll numbers and thousand this, new jersey, your home state where you live, they were going to build a green energy wind farm, a wind farm off the coast of new jersey. and this company, orsted, just pulled the plug if on, i think, two projects, off of new jersey citing supply chain problems, inflation, interest rate hikes. but the mayor withs there, one mayor is saying, yea, we didn't want this. it's bad for the environment, it

costs too much money, it has in effect on global warming. is he right? >> yeah. and financially, those projects were, like, dead fish. they weren't viable at all. if which is why they had to keep getting more and more subsidies, hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidy, still didn't work. and they killed whales. when these things are there, hurts the breeding and things like that, fisheries off the coast of new england, they're opposing these wind farms in the water because hay can't fish around those turbines which pushes them further out. so the fishing industry may -- vigorously are protesting against it, in new jersey we're vigorously protesting it, and they also don't solve the environmental problem. elizabeth: yeah. >> they cost more. they take more energy to build these things, make these things work than what it would cost just to do some natural gas with on land or offshore. elizabeth: welsh yeah. but i think this wind project got a billion dollars in

subsidies. >> yes, and they wanted more. the fact that the it wasn't coming, oh, outrageous. blame it on inflation. no, blame it on inwe the tense. we have -- incompetence the. we have plenty of emergency in this country, get what we have here. just on land one of those windmills have to be 30 feet deep and requires 2,500 tons, tons of concrete. for just one wind turbine. try doing that.'s and, by the way, one more quick fact, two wind pardon mes, normal sized, have more unrecycled plastic than all of the plastic straws in the world. elizabeth you're with kidding. i didn't know that. i know we've not to go soon, but the green energy boss over at bp, the oil major bp, said the u.s. offshore wind industry is fundamentally broken. what do you think of that? >> and that's why they should, in effect, sink those projects before they do any more damage. they make no 40 sense.

they don't make sense environmentally, they don't make sense in terms of helping the environment. so let's stick with what we know works, which is natural gas. we have plenty of it, but joe won't let us get it. meth elizabeth so final -- elizabeth: so final rap wrap it up, you're seeing axios reporting democrats hay accept in, you know, or they're gearing up to possibly if replace biden on the ticket, do you think that's going to the happen? >> yes, it's just a matter of when. they go to him saying most progressive president since franklin roosevelt, but it's time for you to the retire. not only can't he function, but he's got what you might say family problems, the evidence that's coming out. [laughter] elizabeth: steve forbes, you're terrific. so great. joining us tomorrow, montana congressman ryan zinke, former nsa to vice president pence, lieutenant general keith kellogg. now we want to send it to jackie and sean at "the bottom line." they've got a hot show for i you. sean: it is going to