>> yeah. commercial real estate particularly the retail, office sites, still remain as variable for 2024. back to work is still fluid for a lot of companies and so i think that remains one of the key variables for 2024 but you have got other areas of strength within commercial real estate where, on industrial side or self-storage or student housing. so you have got various areas within commercial real estate are pockets of strength and still challenges remaining that still need to be worked out but to date it hasn't manifested in broader -- cheryl: that's good. >> across financial services. so far it has been okay. cheryl: tom hain lynn, thank you so much. [closing bell rings] cheryl: we have zoom ceo, and will join liz right here. that is it for me. "kudlow" now. david: hello, everyone, welcome to a special edition of

"kudlow," i'm david asman for larry kudlow. president biden celebrated a birthday as the oldest president in american history. while voters say the president is too old to seek a second term the real problem is less his age than his competence. "wall street journal" editorial page said running for re-election in his condition is quote, an act of profound selfishness. calls staff and family to convince him to quit. they should put the country before the perks of office. even democrats are getting worried about the effect of all of this in the coming elections particularly after really bad polls came out, including an nbc poll out this weekend showing trump ahead of biden by two points. a "harvard-harris poll" out friday showed trump with six point gain. so far the biden team is holding fast to their re-election campaign. and then there is that question whether or not democrats actually have a viable alternative to joe biden. for more on this i'm join in

studio by charlie hurt, "washington times" opinion editor and fox news contribute tore. a lot more hosting in your curriculum as well. i'm glad to see that. start with the alternatives which is kind of fascinating. everybody is talking about michelle obama, that she could possibly get in as a lifesaver and in case he really begins to drop even more than he already has. is that a possibility? >> i have a hard time imagining it. i don't -- you have to really, really love, you have to really want to be president in order to run for president and you have to love people and politics and in order -- it is a vicious, grueling march to do it. she has never struck me as being too big after fan on all of that but of course you know the alternatives is a real problem for democrats. i think that when you look at the reason that you went, we wound up with joe biden in the first place is because none of

the alternatives would acceptable and you really do have this splintered party, much like we've seen with republicans going back to 2010, the tea party movement, that same splinter something going on with the democrat democratic party. they papered over it with barack obama. that was okay. they hated trump in 2020 to get behind joe biden who doesn't check any of the boxes. david: face it, he didn't deliver what he expected to do. moderate democrat. >> unifier. david: unifier. moderate guy instead he took a page out of the bernie sanders playbook. in many ways he has been the past 2 1/2 years to the left of barack obama. >> we spent a lot of time talking about his age that is the least of his problems. when you talk about the issues,

gets so much worse for him from the border to the economy. if we do wind up with another trump biden match democrats are desperate to make it a personality thing as opposed to -- david: if that happens do you think biden would agree to a debate with trump? >> no! david: can't imagine him doing that again. >> no, i don't think, he will try to redo the basement strategy to see how that goes. david: the point i guess for all that is this concern about the age and mistakes he makes which are becoming legend now, i can't imagine anybody doing a worse job than he has on that, it really does come down to the issues quite often. the fact that he hasn't been what he promised americans he would be, sort of middle ground, good ol' joe. there is another joe, who is thinking of running, joe manchin from west begin, who has been for at least the past couple years a pretty moderate guy although he caved on a lot of issues like the inflation

reduction act but he spoke out yesterday whether or not he would run and why. let me play that tape, get your reaction and roll it. >> joe biden has been pulled so far to the left, the extreme left as far as liberal, makes no sense at all. not the person we thought would bring the country together. so we're in a heck of a mess here and we've got to bring people together. i'm not going to change it from within. i decided to go around to see if i can mobilize the radical middle. david: the radical middle, talk about an oxymoron. does he have any chance? >> i really don't think so. obviously there is tremendous frustration around the country in politics, i don't think more politicians, think about it, the reason joe manchin is running for re-election because he determined he would get beaten in west virginia. how is he, i don't get how he is suddenly going to be the solution, outsider solution to the problems people are looking

for? i think anybody like that that ends up getting into the race at this point only serves to hurt joe biden and probably is not going to do anything to hurt the marauder at the gates true outside like donald trump, i don't see it. david: look at these polls on biden on the issues. we were talking about the issues. inflation obviously 69% disapproval. that is his biggest negative. outside of the border by the way, this at 64% but i've seen even worse numbers for him on that. on all the issues he is way down. again the bs from the 2020 campaign about hue he would run in the middle, just didn't turn out to be true and so if he doesn't have a personality, if he doesn't have a memory, if he can't really walk without tripping up at some point, he is so negative on the issues how could he possibly win? >> well i think, you know, democrats have been very

effective doing identity politics. it is effective strategy. i think it is appalling, racist, it is terrible but i think it is effective. i think that is running its course. the more problems people feel in their homes, their own kitchen table the more that stuff tends not to work i think, if you somy out there wait a minute i demonstrated i could do something about the border. i demonstrated that i could do something about the economy. i demonstrated that i could make your lives better in some ways and this guy is making your life a appreciably worse in some ways. he keeps acknowledging there is a disconnect between his great policies. david: 89% who brief inflation is a big problem still don't believe in that disconnect stuff but it all brings us to donald trump and the question of whether or not a man who has got all these indictments going about him, god knows he may be

convicted before the election itself can win. how will voters deal with that. >> we've seen every time he gets -- it makes him stronger. david: maybe a conviction will be different than an indictment? i'm throwing that out there. >> also the logistics of all of it. what will they do, put him in jail? what happens then? do we end up -- i would assume something like that would lead to an immediate supreme court intervention of some sort because, how do you do this? david: is that really what we could be in for, an emergency edict by the supreme court to get him out of jail? >> i am terrified that is exactly the predictment democrats are gunning for because they know they can't beat him fairly sew that's their only hope. i think, whatever you think about things, that's a horrible, horrible position to be in for a country. that is not going to end well no matter what. david: by the way, there is some

good news for those of us who are free marketeers coming from way south of the border down in argentina. a guy named malei, who is pretty wild, politicians are wild in argentina. i used to cover the region. they made trump look like introvert. let me roll a tape of one of his pre-election ads he ran. roll that. [speaking spanish] david: we could go on and on. literally that's what he is planning to do, now, is to get rid of the bloated bureaucracy

throwing them out. actually vivek ramaswamy came pretty close to that at least in certain departments like education, et cetera. do you think that bodes well for what the next president if that is donald trump plans to do to downside the government? >> people that supported trump were hoping that would happen. the problem is these institutions get to where they are after decades. they know how to stop, sometimes the swamp drains you before you get to drain the swamp. david: yes. >> i think, you know donald trump, i think he had enormous successes but obviously the failures were because he ran up against the leviathan and the leviathan fights back. david: yeah. >> i hope in argentina they figure out how the to drain the swamp before it drains them. if donald trump gets another

shot, republicans do more to help him strain the swamp. david: charlie, you're dangerous. you're two minutes over already. you're just great. i love talking to you. i'm sure they loveliesenning to you out there. thank you very much. good to see you. coming up president biden's defense officials are telling the media his iran strategy, is quote, clearly not working. this according to "the washington post." so what will happen next? we'll ask tennessee senator bill hagerty. stick with "kudlow." the chase ink business premier card is made for people like sam, who make-

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♪. david: well president joe biden is talking tough on iran but nobody seems to be listening. iran-backed proxies know launched 64 attacks, that is a new number on american base and troops in the middle east with pentagon officials now telling "the washington post" that biden's threats of deterrence

are clearly not working. joining us to talk about all this and war, senator bill hagerty, former member of foreign relations committee and ambassador to japan. >> thanks, david. david: hard to argue with the pentagon officials, they are speaking off the record but speak together "washington posts" but hard to argue with them this sort of pinprick responses by the biden administration are not working. >> it's clear they're not working. we've had four military responses here. but if you think about the power we have in the region. we have two aircraft carrier strike groups right there in the eastern mediterranean. your military deterrence is strong but the problem our diplomatic message is completely undercutting it. we're appeasing iran. just last week biden administration released another $10 billion to iran, the greatest state responser to of terror.

the houthis were removed from the terrorist list and they launch missiles at israel and saudi arabia. they took over a japanese ship at sea, have 25 japanese sailors as hostage. david: by the way they called it, they mislabeled that ship, all ships belonging to the israeli enemy. in fact it is a bahamas flagged ship. it has a japanese owners as you just suggested. none of the crewmembers were israeli. they're from the philippines, bulgaria, ukraine and mexico. these essentially are rogue pirates now under iranian control. they could take over any ship they want unless we respond? >> absolutely but instead the biden administration takes them off the terrorist watch list. we need to put them right back on. dave, we have to start snapping back enforcing every sanction we have in place. primary sanctions, secondary sanctions to iran we have to cut off flow of money to terror

instead of emboldening then. david: when we say hit iran, not necessarily hitting them with troops. not sending forces of marines over to iran because the trump administration proved if you cut off their source of income, if you just deal with the sanctions and implement the sanctions that people in congress have voted for that is enough to stop them, not only from, from funding hamas and hezbollah, from doing all these other things like hitting our bases in the middle east? >> that's absolutely the case. if you look attribute terries of terror, hamas, hezbollah, houthis, rogue strikes putting on our bases with their own backed terrorists those are the tributaries of terror. you have to shut off the river. the river is iran. they're the ones flowing funds, technology, know how to all the terrorist proxies they sponsor. we should hold them accountable for that. the sanctions are available. should nap them back into place. i worked hard to put them in

place when i have was ambassador of japan. i got the japanese to stop buying iranian crude oil. we have to go that around the world. >> why aren't we, senator? >> it goes back to the biden administration desperate policy of appeasement. first thing they did trying when they got into office, the treacherous jcpoa that put iran on track for nuclear program. it released pallets of cash. you remember that. jack lew going to be our ambassador to israel, an insult to israel the one who released the cash when he was treasury secretary. we had to squeeze the river down. we brought it down to a trickle. we had iran's funds below $8 billion by 2020. now we had more than $100 billion flow back to them under joe biden. that is what is funding all of this. david: we also hit soleimani which shook them up in tehran as well. but there is another issue we have to talk about. when we look at rob mali, this guy working for the state, our

u.s. envoy to iran. he has been suspended he misused intel. lord knows if he used that intel. he was brought up with pretty left-wing father, was unofficial stepson yasir arafat. he is friendly to the wrong kind of people in the middle east. whether his fondness of iran, whether he was suspended, whether he did something illegal, there are other people he brought in still working for the united states government and affecting our policy? >> yes. the chief of staff for the special assistant for special operations at the pentagon, his chief of staff is one of the members of the iranian experts initiative. david: her name is tabatabai. go ahead. >> it is shocking she would still have a security clearance. they found emails showing her correspondence back and forth with the iranian foreign

ministry. this stinks to high heavens. rob malley is under investigation right now. this whole thing needs to be brought into the open. the state department needs to make clear to all of this, they followed every aspect of rules as they dealt with this they kept this under wrap and under cover for months. they didn't tell us rob malley was suspended and lost security clearances. he was allowed to operate without security clearances in the role of special envoy. this is huge, huge error by the state department and i'm very concerned where it may leave our national security interests. david: senator, i want to switch to a dough mess. domestic issue. you have a background with investment, bcg and other companies, of note decisions made in silicon valley. we saw a change at openai. on friday they fired this guy sam altman, one of the cofounders and today it was announced that microsoft has hired the guy as head of their a.i. program which may be great news for microsoft, not so good

for openai. i think they will rue the day. >> microsoft's share price reacted. cheryl: david: it was up 2%, microsoft's. what do you think of this the overall concern people in congress have with a.i.? it has dangers. even muck musk talked about those dangers. if we don't do it if we don't get own the game, we know the chinese are already there. they're already going to proceed ahead as fast as they possibly can, right? >> that's exactly right. that's why i think xi xinping came to san francisco for the apec conference wanted to negotiate with joe biden to slow down our progress of a.i., slow down deployment of a.i. in military applications. do you think xi xinping will keep his side with any agreement of about that? ask the brits for hong kong? we need to do any advantage we can possibly muster to make sure the united states maintain its competitive advantage in artificial intelligence.

david: do you think microsoft made a good bet hiring this guy. >> the market certainly does. david: bill hagerty, thank you. new york city is slashing police and school budgets to offset the cost of illegal immigrants. new york congresswoman claudia tenney weighing in on that. oil prices are extending gains but are we in clear of recession some say not so fast. we'll talk about it with phil flynn and art laffer all when "kudlow" continues. ♪ the biggest ideas inspire new ones. 30 years ago, state street created an etf that inspired the world to invest differently. it still does. what can you do with spy? ♪

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♪. david: so because of a migrant crisis that is now projected to cost new york city $12 billion, mayor eric adams has announced budget cuts that will severely cut back on the city's police department right in the middle of a big crime wave. so what's that going to do to a city losing billions already in revenue from businesses fed up with higher taxes, regulations

and of course the crime situation? joining me to talk about that is new york city congresswoman claudia tenney. >> up state. david: new york city. it is new york. and we're going to compare by the way new york as a state to florida just to talk about the bureaucracy but that's really the problem there. there is just too much government and instead of firing all those six figure middle managers that do nothing basically, they're firing cops in the middle of a crime wave. it makes no sense at all. >> exactly. new york's government, our budget is more than double the florida budget, yet they have no income tax and they continue to thrive and grow and it doesn't, new yorkers don't get it. the, albany government, far left, all controlled by democrats now, even governor hochul face as veto-proof majority, all they do is raise taxes, add more and more regulations, ridiculous laws, created crime program with cashless bail, corrections

officers and prisoners impossible to handle. she signed a clean slate act that will eliminate anyone's criminal record. if you want to find out about someone whether you hire them, in terms of repeat offenders all that is eliminated because the kathy hochul terrible pro-criminal policies. david: this is not somewhere just happening in new york, l.a., san francisco, chicago, the whole states we've been playing difference tweens new york and florida. new york has a better, i think actually, that should be switched the point new york has a better economy than, excuse me, florida has a better economy than new york. it has about the same number of people. the income tax -- >> there is actually more people in florida. there is two million more at least. david: an economy that is growing and government that is half the size of the government in new york. we know why it's not working. is there any chance that the voters will wise up and vote in

the people who could do the right thing. >> well you know the voters are starting to come around realizing how terrible it is. in these last, elections were local elections mostly we actually won a seat in the bronx on city council. we did well in long island and up state. people are waking up in the local elections. we have to win the state legislature, chip away the state assembly. we have to take away a majority in the state senate or nothing will change. a governor shamelessly sucking up for lack of a better term to the far left people driving the agenda. all of it is bumper stickers. defund the police. i added demoralize. all this is harmful, turned it into policy our energy agenda, it is an impossible standard they will try to have us meet. you will see people starve, go out of business, leave the straight in droves, if they enforce what they want to do with climate -- david: they're not just focusing on stoves now. they're talking about heating

your home with electric heat. one, too expensive. a lot of people can't afford it compared to gas heat particularly. two, the fact is, we are already have our electrical grids totally overwhelmed what is happening by the fact they're not being run properly. you have less electricity, costing more, which means we're going to have brownouts and blackouts, right? >> absolutely. as you continue to cut fossil fuels which 60 or 70% of the total state of new york is dependent on on some kind of fossil fuel, whether it is coal, natural gas, heating oil or propane the next is nuclear power emissions free. only three nuclear power plants are left in my state which is in my district on lake ontario. new york city is dependent on natural gas. they cone assume more natural gas than upstate new york yet we can't use any natural resources we have, the shale gas drilling in the southern tier. you know we could do responsible

gas drilling, actually to provide prosperity, provide some security for our country and actually help new yorkers. that is one way to add jobs and energy. we're not going to run and grow our economy without having reliable, affordable energy. we have great water, a lot of good things but without energy that is an important component. david: i want to quickly touch on biden's student loan bailouts. the supreme court said you can't do it. he kept chipping away at it. putting in new plans which are filled with all kinds of fraudulent causes. there is a new gao report that talks about the fraud in these things. debtors are ask to self-report their income. of course they're claiming that they make much less than they do so that the middle class is essentially bailing out a lot of rich people. >> absolutely. about 87% of americans do not have student loans but the student loan program, the gao saw that it is $430 billion that biden was trying to forgive, overturned by the supreme court as you properly said. of those people, 16 million have

loans. 12 million of the 16 million were not asked to provide any income statement or income proof that they are eligible for the taxpayers that will put you on the loan program they now want to forgive. those are basic, standard fraud procedures that you would put in place. having an income proof, none of that is being done. shows you how irresponsible the department of education is. remember 30 years ago we wanted to make student loans affordable so we turned it into a federal program. college is more unaffordable than ever because of this program. david: moore expensive but at the same time you wonder what kind of education kids are getting when you look what is happening with the discussion of israeli problem. >> absolutely. david: claudia tenney, great to see you. thanks very much for being here, congressman. >> semper fi. david: semper fi to your son too appreciate it. while the price at the pump may have fallen 25 cents in the last month those lower gas costs could be fleeting.

joining me phil flynn, price futures group senior analyst and fox news contributor. phil, good to see you. prices are going down at the pump. people feel more secure they're going to stay that way. are they? >> i don't think they are, dave. someone put the fear of opec back in the market today. over the past couple weeks we've seen a huge speculative short position where prices have crashed. they should come down a little bit because normally they do this time of year. a lot of people think it was really overdone. today's snapback could be a sign that will happen. why did prices fall so far? a lot of people thought opec would not cut production. that may be going back into the market, an additional cut at their november 26th meeting. on top of that, dave, everybody took all the geopolitical risk factors out of the market. after that report of the houthi rebels seizing the ship, maybe they were too optimistic the risk to supply was still in trouble, still around so. david: doesn't look like a

repeat of the oil embargo we had back in the 1970s. the opec nations are not looking to weaponize the price of oil, are they? >> no, they're not. some countries in opec are calling for that, mainly iran but it turned on deaf ears mainly because they realize if they did that, it would hurt them in the long run because it would create a global recession, and lower the demand for their product. so they're smarter than that at the same time they don't like the way the market has been acting. they have been blaming speculators. they have been blaming the hedge funds and i think they are going to send a message they will no the allow prices to collapse. i think they will send a shot across the bow by at least extending their previous production cuts but threating more on top of that just in time for the holidays, how nice of them. david: it does look like investors like traders, oil traders are still pricing in a

recession, right? >> they really are. part of the selloff that we've seen it is not based on current supply and demand but perception of what may be right around the corner. i think when you see hedge funds really take control of the downside of the market they see something in the market that the fed may not see. they see an economic turndown in the future. who will be right? we heard from a lot of fed officials saying we see soft landing coming, we don't see recession. oil traders are taking the other side. it will be amazing to see who wins. david: phil flynn, thank you very much, appreciate it. what is next, a recession or a soft landing? the fed isn't sighing recession coming but oil markets seem to be pricing one in as we just said. joining me art laffer, former reagan economist, presidential medal of freedom winner and "taxes have consequences" a great book.

advisor for many years in my life. thank you for being here. >> love to see you, david. thanks for having me on. david: i appreciate it. you look at the markets, you and i talked about it, it is always a good day when the markets performed well. we have had a lot of good days. clearly stock traders are not pricing in recession, right? >> well i don't know. i don't know if they haven't already prices it in and now they're looking for recovery. you see oil prices coming down pretty much by the way. that is a clear sign of slowing of the world economy. there are other things as well. interest rates come down a little bit. the inflation rate was a little less. all of those could be harbingers of the recovery coming sometime in the near future. i'm not able to time it well but i think the u.s. is doing pretty well given what we have right now. david: so much involves inflation, whether or not we have licked it. the president is saying we have. >> yes. david: jeremy siegel, another whiz, not as good as you i wouldn't put him in the same category -- >> he was a colleague of mine at

chicago. david: there you go. chicago is a good rep for him but he said that he thinks inflation is whipped. that's not what we're hearing from all members of fed. i want to play you a sound bite from the fed president from richmond, virginia, with what he said earlier today on that. roll tape. >> i tell you what i think. i see inflation stubborner. that makes the case for me being higher for longer but other participants in the market have different forecasts. david: it does seem, art, like inflation is kind of stubborn? >> yeah it is stub bourne. they haven't done anything that would get rid of inflation. let me say that. there is no soundness of the currency, no volckerrisms, nothing good fed policies would stop inflation are in place or contemplated. what you have seen in the latest numbers, wholesale price index was a drop, deflation a little bit. then the consumer prices were

down. core was pretty good. these recent numbers, if you look back 12 months. you're looking at the headline number there is no reason to expect those numbers to jump up anytime soon. there is just no reason to believe that. i think we're in a lull in inflation but i don't think inflation is under control. a year, two years, three years with this fed we'll have inflation again. we'll have another bought of it. david: we still do have, another positive by the way we still have the trump, basically trump tax system in place. >> oh, we do. david: it will sunset in 25 unless there are changes. but we have that. that is keeping part of the economy going strong, however our old friend bob bartley, former friend of the w-aj used to say one of the worst kind of taxes is regulations. we have all kinds of new regulations with the biden administration. that is not subject to the oversight, most of it isn't subject to the oversight of congress, some of it is but they have gotten away with a lot, that is a big tax on business, isn't it?

>> it surely is. it is a huge tax on business especially energy regulation. that has been an enormous tax on business. we should be producing a lot more oil than we do right now. we're the cleanest producers. we have the best production of all. why with we would rhett it go to venezuela and these other countries i don't know, that doesn't make any sense to me. regulatory policies seriously ruined the industry there. there are a lot of other regulatory policies put into place also doing a lot of damage. you're completely right and bob bartley was always right, david. he was the most wonderful person in the world but right now those regulations are causing a lot of burden inch on the u.s. economy and they will for a long time to come. david: finally i want to turn to one of the bright spots. i talked a little bit about it with charlie earlier. that is what is happening in argentina which i know is far away. most people kind of zone out when you mention argentina although it is a beautiful place. everybody should go there but they did have an experiment a few years back you and i

followed very closely, me from the journal, you as an independent economist, on how to sort of dollarize, they didn't exactly dollarize the economy. they were interested in getting rid of hyperinflation and they did get rid of hyperinflation. they essentially had a currency board in place instead after central bank and it worked. the new president wants to go back to that level. he has been called a quack because of his antics. he has a lot of antics on stage. a lot, you read reuters or ap, all the news sites they say the guy is a crazy man. he is not. he seems to know what he is doing, doesn't he? >> he does the currency board worked beautifully. inflation stopped in argentina. i was down there a number of times, by the way david with menn and cavallo, they were students of mine, carlos rodriguez. it was an amazing time in argentinian history where we had growth like mad in argentina, stable prices. the economy flourished as never

before. they went back again with the perrone istas. being down with him and famous actress visited i got shortchanged he escorted her around the whole day. men mem was a shorter than i am. what a dandy little fellow. it worked. this guy javier milei. he is not a cook. not a far right-winger. he does antics. so what. he is chicago economist, believes in sound money, free trade, american mall regulations, low rate, broad-based flat tax. believes in all good policies, government spending restraint this is a time if you ever made a bet i will make a bet here on tv argentina will become the outstanding pro-growth economy of central and south america in the next five years. this guy will do wonders in argentina and it will be fantastic. david: it is all about policy.

it worked before. we know it worked before. it worked for six years until they messed up again. >> a lot of countries in latin america are looking for alternatives, the socialism they have been flirting with almost all over continent they're going in the doghouse with all these economies. >> especially chile, chile is going into the doghouse. chile was highest performer in central and south america for 30 plus years. look at plot of growth rates there, chile is way, way above it. amazing what chile did, last three or four years they reversed policies and destroying prosperity before our very eyes. this guy will take argentina and replace chile with a growth agenda. he is sort of a cool guy. has a personality. david: a lot of fun. art laffer betting on argentina. we'll see you soon, art. hope to see you in argentina. >> thank you, david. thank you very much.

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increasingly under fire for eights anti-israel bias demanding a long term cease-fire in gaza and critics are questioning more and more how the u.n. is spreading pro-hamas talking points while refuses to recognize hamas as a terrorist organization. joining us to weigh in oklahoma senator markwayne mullin. a member of the senate armed services committee. thank you for being here. >> thank you. david: i want to play a sound bite if i may from that great human rights activist, ali, she was on fox earlier talking about the u.n. and its role in the war going on there. roll tape and we'll get your comments. >> yeah. i think the united nations has failed in that because the united nations is corrupt as an institution and been so for many decades. they are co-opted for those who want to raise israel. with to women in unget was no secret. hamas paraded these women, all

those gopro cameras. it is there for the whole world to see. david: i assume you agree. if so, why are we still funding that institution? >> it is a good question at this point. we know there has been a problem at the u.n., david for quite sometime. united states by far we're the largest funder ever the u.n. by far. we used to have a very large voice. as we went most people followed us. at this point the u.n. is obviously joining the anti-semitic movement going on around the world unfortunately and for them to do this, we need as lawmakers, need to double-check on what we're spending our money on. are they really in, in for the same results that we are? that means spreading democracy around the world and peace making sure that we're speaking with one voice around the world. i don't see the u.n. doing that at this point and i, i'm serious whether i say this, we as lawmakers are going to have to

double-check where we're spending our dollars at this point. david: absolutely. you look at the information we're getting from israelis on these hospitals that under which were built all these tunnels by hamas. >> of course. david: a lot of u.n. doctors go into these hospitals. they must have known what was going on there. they were doing that in obvious fashion, when they brought in the people they had kidnapped from israel october 7th, brought them in the middle of the hospital, you can see from the video cameras and everything. there is that. there is also schools run by the u.n. that are essentially teaching hamas propaganda. >> right. david: it is clear, there is this linkage between a horrible terrorist organization and the u.n. which we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on? >> well, we see the leadership the u.n. continues to put out and you're absolutely right, david there, is no way someone was working in that hospital or had worked inn that hospital that didn't know there was fighters coming in and out.

there was tremendous amount of construction going on underneath the building. same thing with the schools. they have tunnels underneath the schools. we knew what type of doctrine they were teaching. keep in mind everybody living in gaza they were not trapped in gaza. this was not a ghetto setting. anybody living in gaza was freely to move in and out of gaza as long as they were willing to go through checkpoints. the palestinians living there chose to live under hamas rule. if they wanted to live someplace else they could have gone to israel or go to the west banks under palestinian control. they lived underneath the government, if you want to say the terrorist organization underneath hamas. why they were doing that, they knew they were building tunnels under the street. they could see fighters easily moving across the country, across the territory. they also understood very clearly they were, that they were an organization that was wanting to kill israelis. so for the hospital to say that they didn't know this or for the

u.n. to say they didn't know this is a joke, it is a slap in the face. david: it is a lie. >> all of us understood it. david: our money shouldn't be going there but we don't have much time, senator. president biden is saying inflation is basically over. 89% of americans say that is bull, they don't believe it. they're very concerned about it. you have only 30 seconds but go ahead. >> let me tell you fill up my truck, i drive f-250 diesel, paid 4.60 a gallon, that's in oklahoma. tell you inflation isn't still available shows you how out of touch the white house and biden administration and biden himself. costing average american $600 a month more underneath biden than it was underneath trump. more propaganda, spendingsly coming out of the white house, hey, don't look here. everything is fine. don't believe what your pocketbook tells you. david: americans don't believe

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