>> here we go before the break we asked which president was born in illinois, what say you. >> ulysses s grant? i know it is not obama. >> no, i thought it was lincoln and i think we are both wrong, the answer is ronald reagan. he was born february the sixth 1911 in illinois. the home to the most number presidents with eight of them coming from the state of virginia now we know it was lincoln and a present illinois, three hours today, that is it for "varney & company" you know what's coming up in seven seconds, five, four, three, two, "coast to coast" starts now.

>> thank you for that very, very much, the financial markets are closed, why is kathy hochul spending so much time insisting the financial capital of the world is not. on top of her all the branch to business guides are getting nervous, goes like this don't leave guys, please, kelly o'grady and the furious fallout for billionaire president scrambling to come up with three out of 55 million bucks and businesses in new york by the grace of god that they could someday go as well, what you have. the ruling on friday was expected but this poses severe challenges for former president trump new york empire he cannot serve as an executive for the next three years although he is retaining ownership of his company that was a win of the financial penalties that present the short-term pain. your $55 million in damages looking at additional 100 million interest that accrues at 9% annually until he

pays up, he's going to appeal this decision but is still presents liquidity challenges. he will need to post a bond or put the $450 million in escrow, he cannot touch it until a decision is made. what makes it trickier is the judge ruled he cannot get a load from any chartered institution that means his borrowing is restricted to friends or smaller institutions. how is truck going to get that to sell and the famous near properties that he has a stake in trump tower, trump international, has 400 international cash on hand as of last year that he would want to say for his election campaign. if he wins an appeal selling the assets could be premature get back to normal operations and he does beg the broader question, will trump remain in the state given the broader implications of the ruling and it's a question that many other new york businesses are asking themselves are other real estate developers and industries, in

your governor hopeful under kathy hochul attempted to calm fears over the weekend. >> law-abiding enroll follower new yorkers have nothing to worry about because they're very different the donald trump and his behavior. >> what's next the appeal process has legs by legal experts the law that trump is charged with violating means that a customer with the victim was duped. in this case a financial institution that led to him would've been required to do sophisticated the due diligence. back to you. >> no victims that's what raises a lot of eyebrows, we have kevin o'leary back with us and leery ventures shark take investors you mentioned a profound, the sum of these other businesses still have a right to be concerned whether they like donald trump or not maybe you can elaborate on that. >> this award leaving the whole trump thing out of it and seeing

what occurred i'm no different than any other investor. i'm shocked i cannot understand or fathom the decision at all. there is no rationale for it, let me give you real-time experience i am having regarding this, i'm not the only one. it does not matter what the governor says. new york was already a loser state, like california is a loser state there are many loser hi policy uncompetitive regulation it was already on the top of the list to be the loser state. i would never invest in new york now not the only person saying that, here's a real time in development real estate, the hottest asset class is very high and data centers they cost anywhere from two half . half-billion each and they're very expensive and require low-power you need permits and most of the major institutions of the world need more data

centers and that's why developers like me are doing this. you need power so new york has niagara falls, normally you would consider that to put in one of the facilities and create 400 jobs, five more jobs for each of one of those for exhilarate services. i cannot go to new york so i'm going to oklahoma, north dakota, west virginia, kevin stick, my staff has met with him, governor burgum, government justice, those are winner states they don't do things like this. i've to syndicate the debt and equity were talking to billions of dollars due the getty for an institution or private equity firm or pension fund would touch new york. that is why new yorkers should be concerned, the fine people of new york should ask themselves why are we a loser state, how

are we going to attract business is not just the existing businesses to texas and florida, what about new money that i'm talking about like a 4 billion-dollar data center, not a chance i would put that in new york, 0 probability, they have a lot of work to do to find themselves getting out of the situation and this has occurred post pandemic winner versus loser states, look at tennessee the fastest growing city in nashville, good policy, competitive taxes you gotta start thinking about this in the context of winners and losers, new york mega loser state. neil: what did you think of governor hochul saying this is a unique one and done because donald trump went too far, so nefarious, if you're doing what you're saying you're going to do you have nothing to worry about but they're very worried about it. >> were very worried, where is the victim, who lost money, this is an arbitrary decision the judge made, this policy, what does this say about the bar, the

legal bar in new york, are they going to question this judge, what is this $355 million as a penalty and plus interest at 9% in no victim, her words fall on death ears to everybody, there's nothing she can say to justify this decision. it has nothing to do with trump, forget about trump this is not a trump situation, this is a new york problem now the whole world is looking at the same what are you doing to yourself. neil: well put, always good chatting with you, kevin o'leary following all of that. were following how this is sorted out politically, nikki haley has been making a big deal saying the money that the president, former president has to raise to pay for this could be coming from campaign coffers and a lot of those that donate to his campaign are unaware of this. he says the rnc itself could be

picking up the tab for a lot of us come alexandria hoff has been following that side of the story and she is in south carolina. >> overall she is saying the former president is distracted and not here somewhere in south carolina because he stuck in courtrooms or focusing on other things like selling stinkers but the former governor as far as surveys has been adamant this is not the final battle in the large event last night she talked about some of the calls for her to drop out of the race and she said she's not doing that. i will never give up, haley maintains she will prove competitive this saturday during the primary major focus on the trails is foreign policy with criticism that has been lobbed at former president trump about vladimir putin and nato fox news john roberts dove into that during a town hall in columbia south carolina during that the longshot gop contender would she pardon trump if she were president and he was convicted of a crime.

>> i would pardon donald trump, i think it support for the country to move on. we have to leave the negativity in the baggage behind i don't want this country divided any further. should you. >> the latest monmouth university poll has 26 percentage points behind trump in the primary contest at a rally in michigan the dominating front runner hardly mentioned south carolina or haley for that matter he is expected to arrive in the state tomorrow and something unique to south carolina during the republican primary, cats can participate as well live so long for they did not win a vote in the democratic primary held earlier this month. neil: very interesting, thank you very much. we want to go to the democratic pollster, the republican media consultant, as i get in with you and get your take on the needle threading on what's going on here with nikki haley.

i believe we lost alex, i'll go to you, this idea that she is trying to have it both ways, do you think she's trying to have it both ways? >> to some extent nikki haley doesn't want to cross a line on donald trump where she's offputting to his supporters or to trump himself where she is positioning herself to be not embraced by the republican party, i think what she is doing is fine trump is on the path to become the republican nominee. nikki haley is consolidating support among the people who are not trump supporters of the republican party in getting support among republican leading independents but for now trump is going to secure the nomination and she is positioning herself so if trump were to have to withdraw she is saying she's going to pardon trump and keeping it open so she can bring these voters back into the fold in the think she's fine

giving it away that she is. neil: many agree with you that she is like the break class president and if something falls apart with donald trump she is there and i raise the issue this past weekend. i think your back with us alex, i want you to respond weighing all the penalties and fines and judgments and how that could affect this race, this is from her over the weekend. >> on the settlements were proposed fines, they're pretty hefty even for a guy as rich as donald trump, what do you think. >> i'm worried about the rnc becoming the personal piggy bank, he spent $50 million of campaign contributions on his own personal court cases now is taking over the rnc before he's named any nominee. neil: is perfectly legal and i'm not a lawyer where you can use the campaign funds for these

type of issues i think some of the people that are donors would be a little bit surprised but is perfectly legal, the former president were to continue doing so, another money raising effort of $400 sneakers, gofundme pages separately, what you make of all of that and doesn't take the former president. >> it changes nothing, voters are concerned about their money then candidate money. this is the petty attack frankly that has hurt nikki haley's campaign. when your rookie candidate running against the popular incumbent which is what trump is you want to launch vicious attacks to weaken him, anything you throw everything at the wall. what voters see, this candidate is attacking the guy i like and the guy did a great job so she must be the opposite of what i like, that is how nikki haley became a never trumper democrat

running in the republican primary, she could reverse course this last week in your future is at stake in what she should do is embrace donald trump, give the guy a hug, say i love donald trump, i would jump his bones if i could, he was a great president he made america strong. neil: you don't think there is something there, i understand what you're saying but you don't think there's something there for a candidate who's tapped $50 million in campaign funds for his legal bills that that's a legitimate issue in these other bills he's facing he might do so all over again or he gets sidelined that this is a legitimate issue? >> is a legitimate issue and she probably has the right side of the argument, i'm just saying it won't help voters see the donald trump republican primary has

been persecuted and this is part of the price that trump has paid to lead us and protect us from washington. there get a gift trump the benefit of the doubt, she should hug donald trump, embrace him in the strategy which is get up close, embrace him and say we love donald trump, joe biden cannot be impossibly ever but donald trump could be donald trump. if you want to vote for donald trump in tuesday on my home state, do it. but if you want to vote for donald trump and win, vote for me. neil: i don't know about the hug thing but i want to ask you about the impact of all of this because obviously she has nothing to lose staying in the race i understand what alex is saying that there many argue that soon everyone argues around donald trump the better but were

early on in the process and you need 12 or 15 delegates to close the deal and you donald trump it is little more than 60 and she's a little less than 40 that's a long way to go, what is the harm staying in and fighting and out. >> i think nikki haley has to make these and point out that donald trump is spending an exorbitant amount of his campaign funds on his legal bills, what is she doing saying in the presidential race if she's not going to make the contrast between her and trump and if she's not going to wage attacks on him and his candidacy, one to the point that she made a few times and she's not attacking trump broadly speaking but there's a chaos that follows him in the ongoing legal battles in the spending of campaign funds to expand his ego battles, these are legitimate points and is part of her argument as to why people should support her rather than trump. if she were to not capitalize on that argument in the information it would be doing a detriment to her campaign. you could argue as alex just did

that is not a detriment to donald trump in this campaign in any of these attack lines because he enjoins overwhelming support so far among republican primary voters, that could change as this campaign goes on, maybe not that that is the differentiator here, what she is attempting is to try to dislodge that support from voters that we overwhelmingly really love the former president. she might have a legitimate general election words much more challenging what do you think of argument. >> i think voters are good to give donald trump some slack, republicans feel he is being put in this position of having to defend himself against a million legal charges and forums because he protected them from washington. it's not his fault that he's in this, it is to his credit and

the good give them a lot of slack on how he defends himself because he defended them. they don't care about the legal issues that come up that one or two of them might be on his part and he take some responsibility for something. >> it's all true but their fear is a much larger problem in the fear that washington established in the cultural establishment and the political establishment are all taken this country in the wrong direction in donald trump is only thing that they had the stood up for them he ruled the hand grenade under washington that's a bigger problem these other things rightly or wrongly are nuance. neil: carly, you are reaction to that? >> i don't think this is going to pull the strong supporters who support trump already, this is equitable them away in nikki

haley knows that, think she's trying to position herself as alternate if something happens and trump passed to withdraw his support. at the end of the day his support is so strong with the republican voters this is awkward to take them away from him. neil: you both argue your positions. i appreciate that, carly, alex, thank you again we will see what happens on saturday in south carolina. looking up vladimir putin you may notice him smiling a lot more a political thorn in his dad and he's richer than he was before he invaded ukraine. how is that even possible? (vo) what does it mean to be rich? maybe rich is less about reaching a magic number... and more about discovering magic.

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more sanctions in putin himself is a dangerous world figure, congressman pat fallon of texas joined us in the house oversight and accountability committee and house armed services committee, what did you make of what lindsey graham was saying that vladimir putin is dangerous and we should treat him as such. >> there is no doubt. neil: we seem to have audio difficult. i think we were just getting you back. continue. that's how these weeks go, what to bring your attention to another development we're going to take a quick break with some news and buyer new jersey plans to cut the dividend which is about the only reason why a lot of investors have been sticking with the stock that is tumbled about 80% in the last few years. it's going to slice the dividend by 95%, we don't know the effective date of this, i do know in the course of saying that we have congressman fallon

back with us. i'll pick up on the theme of putin being dangerous, russia being dangerous even though donald trump does not share that view, what do you think? >> clearly putin is very dangerous he invaded the sovereign nation for hundreds of thousands of deaths. the question you have to understand and appreciate that russia is unique. their 6000 nuclear warheads in the other state sponsors of terror that we have cuba, iran, syria, north korea are smaller states and not nearly as potent as russia, the trick if biden is going to make threats to putin and say you better not harm alexei navalny he has to back it up if you don't it's a bluff and one chernobyl offer people won't listen to what you said. neil: you are right about alexei

navalny his dad and the devil of a time finding his body at a morgue that is a separate issue, donald trump is not said anything about that and some are beginning to sense by not saying anything and be complementary of putin and spending more time blasting nato nations that don't keep up with her bills that he is sending a signal to putin and it's a dangerous one, do you agree with that? >> honestly i don't i think the president will eventually comment on alexei navalny's death and i think he'll be like you and i in the rest of the country be appalled. neil: are you really sure of that? >> that's what i think, i think time will tell the next few days. the president's point to your other issue there is only 31 nato countries and 11 of them pay the bills which is agreement about ten years ago that each country would have spent at least 2% of their gdp. i think that they should like senator graham said if you don't

pay there's a mechanism for kicking you out and were talking about wealthy nations, germany does not spend 2% italy, spain, canada and many others if you're in an organization any have agreement then everybody should honor it. >> the reason i keep badging and i apologize it was not my intent the former president earlier said he would encourage russia to invade a nato country that was not spending enough on defense, liz cheney and others have responded to this and said nothing of european leaders that we have to take very seriously the extent to which you now have a putin wing of the republican party. what do you think about. >> this is what i know in 2007 putin invaded georgia install two provinces and he took all of crimea under obama so it was bush, obama and a full-scale of abrasion under obama. he clearly fears him, he respects them, whatever. but because president trump

projected strength i don't think he meant that literally he doesn't want putin to invaded the country to needed invade in the four years he was in office, i believe i would say the proof is in the pudding. neil: on the amount of money that nato members commit, this is been a problem doubling democratic presidents going back to jimmy carter. i'm well aware of the history but i am wondering about the fear expressed on the european leaders thinking that the united states is retreating from its commitment and support to ukraine it's going after vladimir putin and it'll get more printouts under president trump if he returns to office. how do you respond to that encounter the fear that they have? >> i asked the president directly and i said mr. president why do you think putin wasn't that aggressive when you were put under president and he flat out told

him you cannot invade ukraine and if you do you will suffer dire consequences and i asked him what were the dire consequences what would they be and he said i would've unleashed the american energy sector like no one has ever seen it would've been historic and drag the price of oil and energy down and putin could not even funded his war which is very good answer and what does joe biden do the exact opposite, he suspended permits for exports of liquefied natural gas in the number one destination for lng is europe, that was a gift to putin it made absolutely no sense it was insane. neil: talking about liquefied natural gas always good catching up with you. thank you very much. >> thank you, god bless. pat fallon of the people state of texas, kevin hassett is back with us the key economic advisor to president trump and may be a key or higher ranking one with the future president trump we will ask him right after this. ♪

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neil: the markets as you know for presidents' day are closed this was a last peek at them last friday, the losing week, the first one we have seen after five winning once in a row. in case you are counting, 14 of the last 16 have been positive for the major markets, that trend remains very much in place, kevin hassett the council of economic advisers chairman under donald trump my return to a similar capacity or higher in the future one, kevin, it's always good to have you. i want to get your sense of the run that we've been seated the markets, your old boss said in an interview that he thinks the market is getting excited for him returning with all the tax cuts in the business news, what do you think. >> there is a history of this, something that i wrote my first paper about an 0 four when there

was a dividend tax cut that was going to expire if kerry was elected but not if bush was elected. you can actually see that the market responded a lot to the political future. it's true that markets are forward-looking and if a future president economic apology are going to be sadder than the current ones, they would definitely start to go up today, it's a self-correcting mechanism. if you think about it. hypothetically, suppose it's really about for the economy really good for the economy and really bad for the economy is in the white house right now and if the market starts to celebrate the person who is coming next and people might give credit to the person who is there now, it really gets couple catered. it's why it challenges as economic modelers. for sure i would guess that markets advocate ahead and starting to price and possible big policy changes for sure. neil: were they like the idea that we might get a soft landing courtesy of the federal reserve and the federal reserve should take the bow, what do you think? >> i think there's a little bit of that but i don't think the

fed is going to be open cut rates, i think the inflation numbers are staying pretty high, we had weak data last week in january is a crazy month, half of the country over the alaska doesn't have sunlight and that's with economic data is like for january. my guess, the fed will not cut rates, the market is adjusting to the fact that they were too optimistic about that. the other thing that i been writing about and reading about, i think artificial intelligence is starting to be visible in the data, i wrote an article of the national review last week that show companies across a wide array of industries when they bring a.i. are seeing big productivity gains in a month or two, it could be that there is something else going on with markets in nature and analogy of 96 were netscape navigator came in the market kept getting surprised by all of these games that companies were having as they wired up to the internet. i think we might be seeing something like that once again.

the a.i., if you look at what eric schmidt and bill gates are saying it is a bigger thing than the internet. it's probably going to be faster. i could also be affecting markets. neil: this is more personal question, if you will indulge me, great respect, if you're a genius one thing. your also, double-headed guy. i asked a lot of former cabinet members, key officeholders under donald trump what they make of him coming back and you quite rightly point to policies and productive and inspiring but he does piled up a lot of crazy comments, he is criticize nikki haley husband for not joining her on the campaign and admitting there were some problems there, of course he is in military service. he called her birdbrain and talked about stalling aid for ukraine, he has criticized nato and encourage the nato country to be invaded that doesn't do that, the reaction to that is overdone. he has yet to comment one way or

the other on alexei navalny staff. he has been very, very kind and comments regarding vladimir putin. i could go on to say how he routinely makes tacky comments about people he doesn't like. his demeanor almost seems childish and offputting. i would not deliver either of those qualities or personality traits to you, but how do you juggle that with a guy who had very good policies but who can sometimes appear nutty, what do you think. >> the thing that you have to understand is that he is out there every day speaking for hours and hours as opposed to a guy who ran against him hiding in the basement who now doesn't really ever take questions from smart people like you. the thing is there is a private site that i wrote about in my book, the drift to president trump that actually happened a couple of weeks ago, sadly you might've noticed the former

trump administration official mike gill was killed in a carjacking in d.c. while it was not public or anything the president reached out to try to contact the family through a friend of mine and is very personable person when you are with him and i think the american people see through the things that happened that he says as you just pointed out perhaps a little challenging to listen to but he is out there talking all the time and he is authentic, that is a reason why he's popular. people are tired of politicians that are scripted and don't even bother to take questions anymore. neil: when you hear the staff, i hear what you're saying into the same point, but when you hear some of these comments and some are pretty tacky and rude and even crude does that give you some pause that this guy could take the most powerful office of the world again?

>> i have seen his actions in the oval office for almost three years, i have seen his policy choices be great. i understand the decisions that is making, the pressure that is trying to put on the europeans to spend thereto for under 2% on defense, i think he has effective means of getting things done. neil: you also heard how he's treating the former top officials, but you also hear he treated a number of officials who were unceremoniously duped or tweeted out of their jobs and said awful things about them and he chose them, do you ever think of yourself if you were to join the administration that could be you? >> no, that's an honor to serve your country whenever you can and the thing that businessmen unlike politicians, can you think of anybody that biden has fired frankly? that means everybody who he hired has been absolutely magnificent employee? i think the businessman, they pick people go through them and sort through them and keep the

ones that are doing a good job and move on and get some videos of chance if they don't think they are. i think that's one reason why there is turnover but an excellent team especially at the end. neil: eloquently put in a good comeback, always good to see you, thank you very much. >> it to see you two. neil: kevin hassett. in the meantime, joe biden we talk about things and it's quite true, he does not fire people but he does reverse course sometimes like on the push to get electric vehicles out in droves and make them the only vehicles available in a few years, that is beginning to change, the transition has been put off after this. ♪

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neil: about the electric vehicle post on the united states government to make sure everyone has one of the hoxie taxi cars in a matter of years because pretty soon you won't be able to get anything else, that's been put off maybe indefinitely the epa looking at all options but they do not include trying to go all electric in the next couple of years which had been a goal by 2030 at the latest, hillary vaughn has more from the white house. >> the biden administration rethinking the rules in part to give automakers more time to get more ev's in the lot but also give customers more time to want to buy an electric vehicle, the original plan by the epa was to make 67% of new car sales electric vehicles by 2032, last year 7% of new car sales were ev's, they were hoping for a 60%

jump in less than a decade, now apparently biden administration admits that's too ambitious reports say the epa is finalizing the role but considering slow walking the requirements to give automakers time to get to the ultimate goal with a sharp increase in ev sales not kicking in until after 2030. the official role is expected to come out this spring but in the meantime former president trump is making the ev push a campaign issue. >> biden's ridiculous electric vehicle mandate in the green new scam, these are the green new scam, all of those cars going to be made in china within three years i hope they know that. the biden campaign is responding to trump's comments saying all donald trump knows how to do is to lose just like he had america losing the electric vehicle race to china when he was president, president biden is keeping the u.s. at the forefront of car manufacturing by investing in the future to ensure good paying union auto jobs in deputy america not halfway around the

world the epa relaxing the rules before the november election as president biden needs to vote for them. the accelerated push dvc united auto workers union you may remember endorsed president president biden even their own union president admits many of the workers will actually end up voting for former president trump in november. neil: it's about trying to balance your basis of environmentalists are going to be ticked off, i guess the administration must be thinking where also they going to go. >> if that is the driver behind this, it is a delicate act to pull off because progressives are not good to be happy that the climate goals that biden promised to achieve are now going to be pushed back a delayed. neil: got it, they could probably act, hillary vaughn outside of the white house. in the meantime, letting you know sometimes celebrities can have a hard time having privacy

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>> he has his drawbacks and travis knows him more he had to completely move out of his ho house. people were coming by, people standing by his house, safety reasons in the first day he moved into the new house they knew where he was a ready. somebody knocks on the window of the house. jason kelsey talking about the trials and tribulation of his brother travis now dating taylor swift and often times annoying intruders are dangerous intruders can back those plans and whether you're in a gated community or not, those plans are wrecked again i wonder those who live in the gated community as well, kevin herschel joins us

the managing director of the law he knows the legalities and how far you can push the sort of thing, very good to have you. what are your rights when you're in a gated community protective community is shielded gated community and you're still dealing with intruders, that was enough to get travis and taylor swift to say no more, were out of here, this is not worth it. and then a separate issue of other people who live in a gated community. how do you balance? >> the first thing that you want to take a look at is who is doing the trespassing. if it is third parties, certainly they do not have a right to be on the common areas which are private, they don't have a right to go onto his property, if you are travis and want to make sure that you have cameras up, somebody is coming on in your filing police reports, that's criminal trespass and if the police are not willing to do anything about it give a private right of action for civil trespass where you can see somebody and get an injunction as long as you know

who they are and you can stop them from coming onto your property. neil: where do you draw the l line, what about intruders that are outside of the compound gates, whatever you want to call it. but they just gather there. some are creepy, some are other vocal or both, are there any protections for that sort of thing? >> if it is outside of the hoa it will be also their jurisdiction. a lot of this will conduct a duty. if you are looking to buy into a community, read the documents first some may say will have a duty to provide security even though we put up a gated fence we don't have a duty to maintain that, other communities do, it is important to realize that before you move in and certainly there is also an issue of the neighbors, they are not going to want to do this or have to put up with this, there could be aggressive with respect to third-party trespassers, with people that live in the community, that's going to be a different story, most documents

will have provisions that really quiet enjoyment and hoa should enforce those if it's actually somebody within the community that is knocking on his door. neil: you're talking about the homeowners association. let me get a sense of when celebrities come to such compounds or gated communities whatever the rules are and people try to jump the gates, some of the other condo owners might say i really love travis kelce, i really enjoy taylor swift but if they get anywhere close to here, this place is dead them, we don't want that, can they force you out? >> typically in that situation, no, it is very rare in the condominium documents were you can force one of your neighbors out. maybe foreclosures if he didn't pay assessments or something like that. this is a situation where the board has to do a good job protecting the community because

the neighbors don't want the trespassers were the third parties coming into the community, it is a safety issue but that's one of the things about the community association living you don't get a picture neighbors no matter how famous they are. neil: that is a very good point. we will watch closely, this couple seems to be running into this quite a bit giving their global celebrity. it was always substantial for travis kelce but once he hooked up with taylor swift all bets were off. i think she was in australia this weekend the sold-out stadium 94000 plus. >> biggest concert ever hopefully none of those people go to travis' house afterwards. neil: we hope not although there good spirits, thank you very much we will have more after this. ♪ (vo) what does it mean to be rich? maybe rich is less about reaching a magic number... and more about discovering magic. rich is being able to keep your loved ones close.

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