david: well, thank you for watching this special edition the of "kudlow." larry is back on tuesday. have a wonderful labor day weekend. tammy bruce in for liz macdonald right now. tammy: hello, david. it's great to sort of be on tv with you. [laughter] david: we're sort of there. tammy: welcome, everyone, to "the evening edit." i'm tammy bruce in for elizabeth macdonald, and you're taking a live look, live look there to man himself, former president donald trump, rallying in johnstown, pennsylvania, following vice president kamala

harris' first formal interview, if you want the call it that, since announcing her run for the white house. which was really, actually, more of an infomercial, of course, rather than hard-hitting journalism. harris insisting her values have not changed despite widespread criticism for her numerous policy flip-flops. now, trump's running mate, j.d. vance, warning americans not to buy into the new moderate kamala harris and that we need to look at how she has governed as a far-left democrat. so we're going to have a ca chat about that. joining me now for reaction to the rather underwell -- underwhelming sit-down, rnc national spokeswoman. elizabeth, welcome aboard. >> thanks forking willing me. tammy: -- for having me. des moines i'll. tammy: like all gaslighting, all manipulation, and i've got a column out today also that a people are saying we didn't learn anything about a kamala harris.

i contend we learned everything about a her. that, in fact, if you have positions that you are proud of and you want to promote, you do so. and if you you don't want people to know what you're going to do, you gaslight. and that's what we saw last night. >> 100%. it's not just about being proud of the policies you put forward, it's about how you put them forward, the kind of interviews you agree with knowing who is watching. i'm here, obviously, as spokeswoman for the republican party, i'm here with you, the people at home who are just americans. that that's what i am, i watched yesterday as an american rooting for our leaders because i want this country to do well, and i know who's watching, our allies and adversaries around the world. those who have been holding americans hostage for over 101 months knowing this is the leadership in this country, knowing if it's not her, it's joe biden on a beach somewhere. this is not what the american people deserve. she count stand firmly on my issue, and the way the she --

she thinks the american people, once in 40 days in a softball interview of 20 the minutes, i think, is a serious problem. tammy: i think, and i also you had dana bash of cnn and kamala harris. look, i'm a feminist. i believe women can make a difference. our life experiences are different, and what a remarkable opportunity for dana bash to trip and fall into journalism and to be okay with it and for, you know, harris to actually prove everyone wrong. i mean, what -- i would have been excited if everybody had gotten me wrong, but, you know, i'm talking and i can't shut up. but there they were doing exactly what people expected, which was not their job. and it was, it, for me, it signifies also a general contempt for the process itself and for the american people. >> yeah. you mentioned the contempt for the process, this is someone who has not won a primary, right? it's someone who was installed as they removed joe biden

because of the worst debate performance i think any of us have ever seen, and you would think they would want, like you said is, as a woman, a strong woman to show she was put in because she can do the job, she can inspire people around the country, especially women, to realize that she can do the job, that she's meant for the job, that she wasn't chosen as vp just because she's a woman, but because she is capable of that job and the job of the presidency and that's, like you said, the opposite of what we saw yesterday. that. tammy: and the inclination is after last night to think of her as an empty suit, that she doesn't believe in anything. i believe that, in fact, she because hold -- this is not because i'm einstein, because i'm not. but if you just look at her over the decades, this has not been a shy woman. we know where she has stood s. and she's been perfectly comfortable yelling about fracking, she hates it, of course, multiple times i'm going to get rid of that thing. talking about in 20 to 202 riots

giddily excited on the stephen colbert show about how they're not going to stop and how they shouldn't stop and americans better be ready. so we've seen her passionate to where she can articulate something. so the issue becomes she's not going to be telling americans what she's going to do, and we have donald trump doing a great job, but he needs to focus on what he's going to do. what is the rnc thinking should happen, and what is the republican national committee going to do to make sure that americans aren't tricked? if. >> look, i have a lot of faith in the american people, number one. you never underestimate the american people. my dad taught me that as a little girl, that's number one. number two, it's drawing a stark contrast. look what happened on monday, look at donald trump in arlington cemetery standing with the families of the 13 fallen men and women who should be with us right now. where were joe biden and kamala harris?

standing with -- tammy: it should have been pretty easy. >> basic value, right? it's something you and i would have done, something everyone would do if you're trying to lead this cup. i'm not sure where she was preparing for this barely an interview, joe biden's on the beach. there's that, there's the economy. look, donald trump is in pennsylvania right now talking to the american people, talking to pennsylvania families who are spending nearly $1,000 more a month right now because of rising prices, because of this economy created by joe biden and kamala harris. it's about listening to what he says, listening to what she says, looking in your pocketbooks, realizing the difference, and that's all we have to do. elizabeth: yeah, i think that's key. part of this flip-flop garbage is meant to distract in a lot of ways. so if president trump or anybody else spends their time, you know, calling attention to the that it's a lie and a flip-flop and it's -- other people can do that, that's just more time that they're not using to the talk

about what they're going to do about the economy, what trump's plan is, the specifics. and he's been very good at that. that's what helped him win in '16, the specifics. he had ideas. we're going to build a wall. it was, like, of course that's going to be it. he's a businessman. i'm going to, you know, economically get us out of the hole. that was on a wing and a prayer, but he did it. that seems to be what americans need to hear right now, especially pennsylvania. but the the fracking flip-flop matters there, it matters to the whole country because what we do with pennsylvania and what pennsylvania delivers helps this entire nation. but it's important because if you're standing next to someone who's lying to you about whether or not they can really drive your car and they can't and they're drunk, then you need to know to not let them get in there. so is that part of what people need to the know, is the fact that she is just not a truth teller? >> she's not. the problem is it's reached such a low point that you can't help but notice it. i believe the american people are seeing -- saying that.

apparently, she wants to complete the wall -- [laughter] wanting to to build eight years ago. i was called a racist for supporting donald trump, and now she supports it. this has become such blatant lying, such disrespect, such gaslighting, a word i hate to use -- tammy: it's true, that's what a it is. >> the american people see this. tammy: certainly we cover it, i think local news, there's conversations at the kitchen table. i think that's important. great stuff. elizabeth, thank you very much. we've got a very busy couple of months and several years coming up. nice to see you. all right. and now, kamala harris brazenly backing bidenomics last night saying she is very proud of her economic record. of course she is, in fantasy land. rather than taking accountability, she blamed -- wait for it, guess who? that's right, trump, for the economic hardship americans are facing now. grady trimble is live from the white house with the latest. grady. >> reporter: hey, tammy.

vice president harris in that interview last might said she inherited an economy that had crashed under former president trump even though most americans' gripe with the economy right now is the higher prices, and that inflation didn't start surging until after a she and president biden came into office. finish she was also asked if she maintains that bidenomics is a success, and here's what she said. >> i maintain that when we do the work of bringing down prescription medication for the american people, when woe do what we did in the first year of being in office to extend the child tax credit, when we do what we have done to invest in the american people and bringing manufacturing back to the united states, i'll say that that's good work. there's more to do, but that's good work. >> reporter: -- on day one as president, harris gave kind of a vague answer about lowering costs. at another point in the interview, she said she's proud of bringing down inflation to less than 3% despite the fact

that when she took office it was 1.4%. she also tried to explain changes in her policy positions like her past support of a fracking ban and the green new deal. she said many times during that interview that, quote, her values have not change ad. the -- changed. "the wall street journal" editorial board says this about the interview: harris remains vulnerable on her past political views. her recent flip-flops, the biden-harris record in office and what appears to be her implicit endorsement of the biden economic and national security policies. it calls these openings for former president trump, they say, assuming he can prosecute the case. tammy? tammy: all right. well, thank you, grady. it's never boring, is it? all right. for more on this we have heritage foundation economist e.j. antoni. am i saying your last maim right? i should be better at things -- >> you got it, tammy.

tammy: i keep thinking of marc anthony, but i don't want to call you that. and macro trends advisers' founding partner, mitch roschelle. gentlemen, thank you very much. you know, i think that as we watched last night, we were prepared for kamala to be somebody else do -- [laughter] i'm a romantic, i think americans are, so we are optimistic people, and i was hoping for us that she wasn't what i thought she was which is not an empty suit so much, gentlemen, but a woman who knows we don't want what she has,s but she's going to to give it to the us anyway. and the only way to do it is to lie about it. so, e.j., you know, things that were not asked about last night included the unrealized gains plan that she has and what that means. shal brought up the price gouging which, of course, is code for price controls. and dana bash did the not follow up on that and say, oh, by way,

at least we don't think so because we know that there was a lot of editing that happened. e.j., what do you think about -- was there anything new you learned? were your fears confirmed? what's your take on what's happened? >> well, tammy, i don't think there was anything new presented, and so there was nothing new learned last night. it was really just a reiterate ration of a lot of the hackneyed talking points we have already heard coming out of this campaign, not the least of which is this strange dichotomy, i guess you could say, where they're simultaneously trying to tell us if you put us back into office, we will fix everything wrong that's wrong right now, but also nothing's wrong, the economy's right, we've already fixed everything. [laughter] and you just can't have that both way. to your point on her proposal for a taxing unrealized capital gains, it is just yet another example of how the folks in the administration, their solution to everything is another tax hike and another spending program and more regulation on top of it. tammy: yeah. and i think that, membership, if

they -- mitch, if they would just really own that, if they really thinkable that it's just never been done properly in the past, that's what they say about communism and marxism, that we know how to do it, we're -- it's too good of an idea, and even though it has destroyed so many civilizations, we're going to make it work. is it that kind of -- because when you look at this, we have a history of knowing that neither one, neither price controls or taxing, you know, unrealized gains, none of that makes any sense. but they still want to do it anyway. >> every nation in the world that's tried some form of wealth tax stopped doing it because they knew they couldn't implement it and it didn't work. and our southern border would not be awash with people leaving, fleeing countries that turned to communism if communism worked. tammy: great point. >> so that just, it's a nonstarter. the thing that really appallings me the most about -- appalls me

the most about that interview is when kamala harris a talks about the great success of their economic plans and how they the inherited this mess. what they didn't do in the first 12 months in office was find a way to stimulate the supply side of the economy which is how you prevent inflation. tammy: great point. >> instead they spent $1.9 trillion in the american rescue plan to stimulate the demand side to have economy. if they really wanted to prove to americans that they knew how to fix stuff, they would have done it right the first time. guess what? president trump becomes the president, and he enmeters a mess. inmeters a mess. tammy, and of course, they mislead or deliberately lie about, you know, what they did inherit, e.j., like the rate of inflation which was i think at 1.6, and they -- she alluded to the fact that what they inherited was this disaster. no, they didn't. finish you know, i think like even consumer confidence was at, like, 100. and now it's, like, at 69. finish e.j., can they get away with lying about the economy, or

is this such a day to day event that americans know what it is they're dealing with? >> well, i think, tammy, we'll ultimately find out in november if they can get away with telling all of these falsehoods. you're absolutely right, inflation was not 9% as president biden has alleged when he took office. no, it was 1.%, mr. president. and -- 1.4. and, f right that the economy was already growing quickly. we didn't have an economy in shambles, it was growing at an annualized rate of $1.5 trillion when former president trump left office. so, again, this idea that somehow they inherited a mess mess is absolute hogwash. they inherited robust growth with no inflation. they created the mess themselves when they spent trillions of dollars we didn't have and didn't need either. tammy: gentlemen, thanks for joining me. this is, i think, a very good example of, well, yes, there was covid and all of what happened, but with the. >> correct president who wasn't going to fall in line and think

this was a great time to fund the new green deal and call it an anti-inflation bill, maybe things would have folded, or you know, unfolded a little bit different. so gentlemen, thank you very much for being with me. it's going to be a wild few months here. now, migrant groups reportedly attempt to the board school buses in california causing fear for both students and parents, of course. and are voters buying kamala harris' shifted positions on the border and illegal immigration? i mean, there's just so many lies to have to pull through. congresswoman debbie lesko from the congressional border security caucus will react next. stay right there. ♪ ♪ meet the jennifers. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal

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any and all accountability for the damage her policies have done to americans. joining me now for more on this, arizona congresswoman, one of your favorites, congresswoman debbie lesko. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me. what is so, you know, it is not just appalling, it is nauseating to the listen to the person who has watched over the destruction of the border and the piling in of all of these drugs, especially fentanyl, the catastrophe that it is for our country preend thing as though she was just dropped in from the freaking planet mars and has never been in politics and is going to be the new page and replacement of all these horrible things that have happened. what's your take on that particular comment? [laughter] >> well, i'm as outraged as you are. i mean, i don't know how anybod. when she was a prosecutor in california, she wouldn't work

with i.c.e. she wouldn't turn over criminals to i.c.e. under her leadership biden put her in charge of the border, over 10 million illegal immigrants have flooded across the border including terroristsl crisis. i talked to the people at the border, they're overwhelmed, the officers are overwhelmed, the cities are overwhelmed. this is a total disaster, and all of a sudden she's going to the change her tune and say she's for border walls and border security -- tammy: it's remarkable. >> -- when with we havioritizesl immigrants over u.s. citizens. a. tammy: you know, she portrays her time -- and great point about her time as a prosecutor in california -- she portrays herself as this tough on crime, putting people in jail, and

sometimes the her remarks indicate that she had no regard for people who were incarcerated. but then, yes, she was making specific decisions about what not to go after. and, of course, we mow that she -- we know that a she, you know, talked about defund the police movement, encouraged that, encouraged bail funds for lawbreakers. and so we have this, it's almost like a trickle-down dynamic, if you will. it sends a signal to everyone else, certainly to illegal immigrants, but to americans everywhere where -- everywhere that there is no law and order. i've got a lot of friends in arizona, i'm originally from southern california. we know those communities are being devastated. what are you finding arizonans thinking and doing? are they buying this gaslighting, or do they understand that she is part of the problem? >> well, i'm really hoping hat majority of arizonans -- that the majority of arizonans don't how can economic buy it? in her own words she talks about

decriminalizing all illegal immigrants, giving benefits to illegal immigrants, giving prix housing to illegal immigrants -- free housing. i mean, she hasn't even visited the past two border patrol chiefings. she came town to the border one time for a photo op. i mean, when she said she hasn't changed her values and then she conflicts and says, well, now i'm for the border wall, before i wasn't, now i'm for securing the border, who believes this stuff? the lady is a total liar. tammy: her value is to lie to get what she wants. i guess that could be a value. [laughter] i didn't get a chance to ask you about this, but but the appalling thing we're seeing also with these illegal aliens attempting to get on school buses and that that is not being

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tammy: vice president kamala harris defended flip-flopping on key policies like energy during her cnn interview. watch this. >> no, and i made that clear on the debate stage in 2020 the that i would not ban frack. as vice president i did not ban fracking, as president i will not ban fracking. i made very clear where i stand. we are in 2024, and i have not changed that position nor will i going forward. i've kept my word. my values have not changed. i believe it is very important we take seriously what we must do to guard against what is a clear crisis in terms of the climate. and to do that, we can do what we have accomplished thus far. the inflation reduction act, what we have done to the invest, by my calculation, probably a trillion dollars over the next ten years investing in a clean energy economy, what we've already done creating over 300,000 new clean energy jobs, that tells me from my experience as vice president we can do it without banning fracking.

if half of laugh a.m. damn yeah. [laughter] let's welcome to the show former u.s. energy secretary, rick perry. secretary perry, thank you very much for being here. you've actually done the job, and what was fascinating to me in that interview is she mentioned that she would not, of course, ban fracking even though multiple times she said she would. she said in the 2020 debate that she said she wouldn't, but that was the vice presidential debate when she was, you know, the running mate for biden. and she said that biden wouldn't. in that debate she never said that she wouldn't. and, of course, as vice president previously, she didn't have the power to ban fracking. but isn't this a matter of via the bill clinton theory that it's a matter of what the word "ban" means? can she accomplish it without banning fracking, just completely making us completely energy dependent elsewhere? >> yeah, that's the key here.

look at the energy policy as a whole from the biden administration of which she was part of. and i'm going to give her a break here and say don't even go back to when she was a senator and she is said i'm absolutely going to stop fracking. i think everyone kind of gets it here, that this is an individual who will tell you whatever you want to hear whenever you want to the hear it to try and be president of the united states. what i'd like to see is professional journalists really dig in on this and really, you know, make this individual give some straight answers, not let her obfuscate, let her get around as she did, frankly, last might. i thought the cnn interview had the potential to be good and then they didn't follow up properly, in my opinion. i've been interviewed by those folks before, and they don't seem to want to let someone on the right up, but on the left,

someone who they're supportive of it appears, they'll give them a break. so this individual clearly is an anti-fossil fuel individual. her record proves it. whether it was as a senator, as the vice president is being a part of the biden administration, they will find ways to move around like they've done on this lng cause -- tammy: yes, exactly. i was going to bring that up. yeah, in january, in january just of this year, sir, is when they announced the pause on pending approvals of the liquified natural gas exports, and in the first line of the white house announcement they note that it's clear that climate change is an existential threat. and that's the one thing she spoke about with some moderate level of confidence last night, was climate change and admitting that the inflation reduction act

was about moving money into those that new green deal projects. this is something that she has committed to. >> yeah. and that's what, that's what this administration is all about. pushing money into -- i mean, we thought obama was really good at it with solyndra, but he was just a piker compared to this administration when it comes to pushing money into these, these programs. the ev mandate's a great example of it. this lng pause, the reason that's such a problem is because when you, i mean, when you put the brakes on these projects, these are multi-hundreds of millions of dollar projects, in some cases billions of dollars worth of infrastructure -- tammy: yeah. >> and when you get a pause like that, that sends a message to the end user. so it just puts america in a bad position all the way around. tammy: it does. sir, we're out of time, but i have to to just say the people

of pennsylvania and all throughout the country should not fall for this. this is a woman who does not mean well for this country. rick perry, thank you very much for joining me. >> you're welcome. tammy: i do appreciate it. and now, kamala harris is being slammed for not addressing the crime crisis on top of everything else one single time during her 16-minute if cnn interview because that's how much it ended up being despite being among the top concerns of voters. she wasn't asked about it, and she didn't bring it up. so let's welcome fraternal order of police national vp if joe gamaldi who's not going to have a problem speaking to the american people here. and thank you, sir, for joining me tonight. we've got so many different fronts to the nature of crime and starting with, of course, the signaling with defunding the police, the demonizing of law enforcement in general, harris' demonizing of i.c.e., her did key excitement if at the riots in 2020, her bailing out and promoting the bailout fund to get the criminals out of prison

onto the street, and that's the other problem, of course. and then to say nothing of the nature of gangs that are moving across the border from venezuela terror the eyeing communities. police have their hands tied. nobody -- we've got a problem with recruitment with the police because who would want to take a job where no one's got your back? give me your take on everything we've been watching over the last several weeks. >> yeah. you know, it's interesting that she didn't want to talk about crime in this interview because in her time as vice president, she supported defunding the police, bailing out rioters, open border and -- [inaudible] criminal justice system. and remember, tammy, her values haven't changed. despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it has been a disaster. we've had over 20,000 homicides in the united states for three years straight with her as vice president. on tops -- cops that is raging with 378 officers shot last

year, a 60% increase. this year we're outpacing that number with over 250officers shot. tammy: horrible. >> we just had an officer murdered in cold blood -- a.m. damn yeah. >> -- talking about climate america because -- the. [inaudible] [audio difficulty] tammy: let me tell you, joe, i think that as americans, it's just like with the economy, americans, especially american women, we've become afraid to walk our own neighborhoods. we know that normally we'd be able to call the police if there was a problem. with the stories out of san antonio and other cities about extended wait times for the 911 system just because of staffing issues. even, look, the fbi is complaining about not having enough people. people laughed. i remember people thought, oh, and this is another problem here, oh, we're not going to defund the police. that's a nutty issue. that's never going to the happen just like now. it's like kamala harris' price controls and taxes on unrealized

gains. banning fracking. oh, that'll never happen. she'll adjust. she doesn't mean that. can we say especially with your position that there are bad people out there who do not mean this country well, some of them are politicians but the fact is that they're bad -- there are bad guys in this country who are waiting for the approvalling s -- approval, the ability to go and attack law enforcement and to commit crimes because now, you know, what are you to going to get? you're going to get the revolving door of prison. you can shoplift as long as it's turned $1,000? how long can this go on? if how long can this be a sustainable situation? >> -- as a country right now in regards to criminal justicing, it's not sustainable. but, you know, the american people aren't stupid. they -- [audio difficulty] everywhere they rook. and there are -- everywhere they look. if we're looking at kamala harris, we're looking at open borders -- [inaudible] tammy: yeah.

>> taking over towns in colorado. tammy: yes, exactly. and we're beginning to be -- joe with, we're going to be -- joe? joe, we're going to be getting into that. all right. we are going to be getting into that. i want to thank you very much for your time tonight. thanks for joining me. have a great holiday weekend. now, still ahead, the media can't stop praising kamala harris for last night's cnn interview. of course they loved it. now america gets ready for the september 10th debate. i wonder if she still wants to do it, between harris and president trump. but first, let's check in with our friends dagen and sean. i wonder if they are anything to talk about, see what heir going to be talking about in the next hour on "the bottom line." sean: we have a lot, tammy, on this friday night. tammy: good. sean: harris defends bidenomics. steve moore on that a -- not steve moore, steve forbes. one of the steves is going to be the here. also also 17 navy ships are going to be sidelined because of staffing shortages. congresswoman beth van duyne to discuss. dagen: an iraq war veteran,

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tammy: the media is slaughtering kamala harris with praise after last night's interview. do they need a cigarette also? watch this. >> she was very connected to her words. she seemed strong, she seemed competent. she seemed like someone who could be president of the united states. >> i mean ors she's brilliant on her answers,, the first question about her values haven't changed and she does what's right. >> and she answered every question. you may not like the way she answered them, but she answered them as a capable, qualified leader, and i do think she moved the ball forward a little bit. >> kamala harris has always and continues to identify not just as a black woman, but she can hold multiple identities. as many of us do. tammy: yes. well, really brilliant. [laughter] brilliant answers. but now that voters have heard a kamala harris interview, all eyes turn to september 10th when president trump and harris are set to the take the debate stage. well, for more on all of this because it's very exciting,

let's welcome main street columnist at the "wall street journal" bill mcgurn along with political commentator sara bedford. i have to say to both of you, there's so many things we heard there -- [laughter] but one of the things, i want to play this tape about a the issue of values. let's play this. this is also from if last night. this seems to be her new spin. >> dana, i think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values to have not changed. you mentioned the green new deal. i have always believed and i have worked on it that the climate crisis is real, thats it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around a time. we did that with the inflation reduction act. we have set goals for the united states of america and, by extension, the globe around when we should meet certain standards

for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions as an example. that value has not changed. my value around what we need to do to secure our border -- tammy: all right. all right, harris. [laughter] that strayed, bill, dangerously into a word salad about deadlines based on time. i don't know what else deadlines are based on. but my feeling was, and i want your take, is that this values line is a wink to the left wing, to her left flank that don't listen to what i say, watch what i do. what's your feeling on that? >> yeah, i agree, except i think it was kind of truthful. i think her values have always been the same. she's from california, san francisco. to the left of bernie sanders when she was in the senate. and whatever she has to say politically about fracking or whatever, that's incidental. everyone knows, everyone who votes for her knows she's left wing, she's going to pursue those goals as president. tammy: sara, people say, well,

this is what happens with politics. people say things and they -- but then the american people, we don't live that a way so we think, well, they don't mean it. they have to say that to get elected. and who would do this to the country? well, over the last three and a half years, we've seen who would be willing to do these things to our country. do you think she would just keep on going with all the a destruction, or do you think she's a changed woman? >> well, i think that this sort of reinforces one of the biggest negatives against kamala harris, is that she's tied to a biden administration that never really had a vision for the country. biden didn't run on anything except vibes just like she is -- tammy: great point. >> but in his case it was bringing the country together, it was civility. none of that occurred, and short of that, biden didn't have an agenda east. so one of the beg -- either. one of the biggest concerns about kamala harris is not knowing what she stands for. saying her values haven't changed while nearly every

position in her career has changed doesn't come close to explaining where she stands right now and why. tammy: bill, i've got to ask about the issue of the economy. it's a top issue for voters. we know, experience it every single day, the price of groceries and energy are -- it's just unacceptable. and there's no real end in sight if the same policies remain. if harris is elected, what do you imagine occurring if these policies continue? >> i think the same thing. look, the inflation was a result of too much spending. and does anyone believe kamala harris is going to the mean if less spending? [laughter] she's going to continue down the same line. and i think president trump's challenge is to tie her to these things -- tammy: yes. >> to ask the follow-up questions that dana bash should have asked but didn't. press her to it. what does it mean? you know, it sounds plausible when you first hear it, and then you think, what the heck does

that mean? tammy: yeah. and, sarah, we are looking at the debate now. she made some noise about, oh, this isn't really firm because of the mics and abc has turned her down saying the mics are going to stay muted. do you imagine this debate happening, and if so, what would you think that trump has to do to just maintain, you know, really it's on the issues, isn't it? >> yeah. i mean, unmuting the microphone doesn't serve the public's interest in getting a debate that actually susses out where the two candidates stand on the issues. it really would only serve kamala's interests of trying to create a viral moment. i do think the debate is going to the happen simply because if you look at the poll numbers, this is probably the high water mark for kamala harris. the more exposure she gets, i think some of that unvarnished joy from democrats is going to start to go away. so with with the numbers tied right now, she kind of has to go out and do something to pull

ahead, and the debate will probably happen. tammy: yeah, you know, it's almost like with joe biden it had to the happen. trump won the election that night. it'll be interesting to see what happens here because americans know what he can do, and we're still trying to figure her out. but the debate is going to be imperative for this american process. bill mcgurn, sarah bedford, thanks so much for joining me. >> thanks, tammy. tammy: the high cost of college and an evolving labor landscape is driving students toward vocational and trek -- technical training. one summer camp introducing the next generation to trades coming up next on "the evening edit." ♪ ♪ ♪ oh in a valley, where the mountains glow ♪ ♪ are the hardest-working folks ♪ ♪ that you ever could know ♪ ♪ now the farmers work the land ♪ ♪ and the land is the home ♪ ♪ the home is the families ♪ ♪ and the families need care ♪ ♪ when care is close ♪ ♪ we all can grow... ♪

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tammy: tools and trs as summer camp in queens, new york that teaches construction and trades skills to girls is six years old. lydia hu in new york with the latest. >> there is a growing demand for trade professionals in this country. we got to meet one nonprofit here in new york city that is trying to make sure young girls are ready to meet the opportunity. most kids pack sunscreen and a water bottle for summer camp. >> you basically picked the shade or whatever shape you pick. >> parker james and camilo

johnson bring a hard hat and paintbrush they are enrolled with tools and trs a nonprofit that teaches trade skills to girls. >> if you have a job or career b something that you love to do. >> girls as young as six get hands-on lessons in carpentry, electrical and plumbing and confidence for life. >> every single day i wake up and i'm like i could go into electrical to. >> make sure it is on both sides you want to flip the brush again and pull it toward you. you want to pull the paintbrush toward you. >> perfect it's not so bad. >> people think that we can do but i been killing as a plumber for almost 30 years. >> tools antiheroes is the immigrant from trinidad when she became a immigrant when it was out of reach for her in america,

cassidy is using her success to show the next generation for a career in trades can empower them to. >> i want people to open up your eyes and stop looking down on us that we didn't go to college because we weren't smart, we chose to help build, that's what we do every day. >> tonight on fox business we do a deep dive into the trades work and also other issues facing education that is 8:00 p.m. tonight on fox business and i really hope you will watch. back to you. tammy: thank you, great stuff, terrific, everyone thank you so much for having me i am tammy bruce emperor elizabeth macdonald, to all of you for watching tonight i have a new book called fear itself, pick that up and catch me on twitter@hey tammy bruce, don't forget to dvr us, it is time for "the bottom line" ♪ ♪