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stuart: shake it out, in 90 seconds. 10:00 eastern time, to the
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money please, nice pop for the dow up 120. look at the nasdaq, down 168 points. a mixed market. the 10 year treasury yield had been going down. now it is going up, 375 on the 10 year. price of oil below $70 a barrel, looking at 69, bitcoin last time we checked was 55 and change, it's now 55-6, that's the market and now this. donald trump has always been one of the disruptors of american politics. he is still at it. he brought in two big time disruptors into his campaign, elon musk and rfk junior, shaking things up. in the journal kennedy lays out a program of dramatic reform to make america healthy again. a health savings account for everyone. have to and ih budget to go to
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holistic healthcare, on drug prices, no using food stamps for sugary drinks, new standards and no drug company funding for the food and drug administration. it is a long list and even part of it is adopted the food and drug industries will be truly shaken up. then there is elon musk. he has agreed to run a commission on government efficiency, nothing puts fear into the federal bureaucracy like an efficiency commission run by elon musk who made his name on these companies, trump wants to audit every government agency, bring the dynamism of private enterprise into the heart of government, don't exactly know what role musk or kennedy would have in a second trump term and no idea how the disruptor in chief would work with two disruptive lieutenants but we don't seem happy with the way government runs these days.
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second hour of varney just getting started. tammy bruce with us as always on friday morning. the two disruptors. tammy:it tells you these are commonsense suggestions and that is the disruption. what does that tell us about the nature of government. elon musk is the disruptor with space travel, the innovation, reusable rockets, the quality of the product, astronauts stranded in outer space and boeing along with nasa in the government framework had to abandon them because they couldn't do it. we were going to the moon 50 years ago and they are now turning to musk and his space capsule to get them back.
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let's disrupt back to being able to function. stuart: can you see trump running with elon musk? huge disruptors, difficult people to work with. tammy:if you are invested in bureaucracy and failure they are difficult, if you don't want new recommendations about kennedy regarding getting healthy seem pretty reasonable. we got so used to bureaucratic bloat and failure that this is what normal is, we deserve better, change is good. doesn't mean it will take us in the wrong direction. it is taking us back to where we belong. stuart: listen to president biden admitting the inflation reduction act was to push the green agenda. blue blue the most significant climate change law ever, and it
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is a $369 billion bill, should have named it what it was. the part of agriculture is able from that legislation to announce 7 $0.3 billion in grants to 16 nationwide to help rural communities, transition to clean, reliable affordable energy. tammy:he couldn't say the bill because that's the ultimate lie, the inflation reduction act. this was about the billions for the electric car chargers when we got 8, one less then 9. billions, that was the green spending for the green new deal. he knows it was wrong, should have called it what it was. he's called the president and he is not and kamala harris is called a moderate and she's not in the border was closed and inflation was transitory and
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the economy is fine and everything is great and the willingness to lie about billions of dollars and the economy which affects everyone's lives, and excess tension will issue. he was proud that he pulled one over on us. this is one of many. stuart: thank you for being here. tammy:time to disrupt. stuart: kamala harris flip-floping on another issue. weight a minute. this is about banning plastic straws. lauren: they are a progressive issue and harris committed to banning them when running for president in 2019. >> do you ban plastic straws? >> we never should. i will be honest. it is difficult to drink out of a paper straw.
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if you don't gulp it down immediately it starts to bend. the little thing catches it. we got to perfect that one a little bit. we will do a little better than flimsy plastic straws but we need to ban plastic. lauren: her campaign says she doesn't cast banning them. now she cast the tie-breaking vote on a consequential legislation to create clean energy jobs. as president she's going to be focused on all fat. again, a flip-flop, a reversal with no explanation and this reminded me what she said in the cnn interview. my values haven't changed. i still care about the climate, i'm going to say this now. get me a thorough. this is what i need to say to appeal to moderates to get elected and i will test four years. stuart: back to the jobs report.
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142,000 jobs added to the economy, employment rate, 4.2%. this looks like the kind of jobs report the stock market likes. where am i going wrong? >> it likes the short-term but what the economy needs is freedom. what this jobs report is telling me is something we knew for some time, the economy is slowing, jobs are becoming more scarce and curious to see how washington will spin this. for years people have said fighting harder, my paycheck isn't getting longer and the white house saying don't you see inflation is coming down, job market is not that strong but we have an interest rate cut and the economy is slowing and investors are best to play defense. stuart: how do you play defense? >> look for areas that's right for major opportunities.
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prosperous countries are the most free. north and south korea, even china. economic powerhouse, dirt poor for decades before they liberalized their economy. looking at the market that are more like second and third world but could become first world and payoff investors. stuart: are you talking the etf, the united auto workers union, for the united arab emirates. >> always saying it is not that exotic, don't know what is more exotic than the middle east. the uae is unique, it strengthens ties with israel and this etf filled with real estate, they are working now,
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ten years ago. we are looking off of the radar stream, uae is a surprise to the upside in the months ahead. stuart: address politics, we have a slowing economy, two months before an election. can't believe that's good for the biden/harris timor harris tim walz team. as tammy alluded to investors felt this four years now and they are concerned by the harris administration, it is getting better and it is confirming what a lot of us experience and the yield curve. has started to on invert. long story short, historically that tends to be the time the recession is most pronounced. we are keeping a close eye off of the radar screen. stuart: aren't we all, see you again soon.
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lauren is looking at some movers. lauren: down 7.5%. the self driving tech company. until owns an 80% stake, there are reports that intel is considering options for selling some of it as they work on this turnaround. both stocks are down sharply. stuart: the continuing chip rack they are dealing with now, driving the nasdaq down for 100 points. neo, and i/o, ev. lauren: the numbers are narrowing. profit margins improved to 10%, but 5% in the previous quarter. they expect to deliver more cars for 5% gain. stuart: why is lululemon at the top of the active list? lauren: the stock had been up 3%. 3%. the ceo botta million dollars worth of shares.
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average price to 60, it's at 255 now. stuart: down $4 a share. thanks very much. judge murchon could decide to delay his sentencing until after the election. hunter pleads guilty to all 9 tax charges facing years in prison. will the president pardon his son? former acting attorney general matthew whitaker is next. ♪ car, this isn't the way home. that's right james, it isn't. car, where are we going? we're here. (♪) surprise!!!
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stuart: the dow is up a fraction. the s&p slipped by 27. the nasdaq is down 160. we have a chipmakers mostly sharply lower. show me big tech. what going on? apple is creeping up, microsoft is down a dollar. amazon and alphabet and nvidia, one. 5, donald trump in court in new york city. 's lawyers fighting to overturn a verdict finding him liable for sexual abuse and slander. nate foy outside the courthouse, the latest please. >> reporter: lawyers free jean carol speaking out after lawyers for donald trump started things off, trump and carol are inside the courtroom as their lawyers have 10 minutes to make their cases why the jury's verdict should or should not be vacated.
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last year the jury found trump defamed and sexually abused carol. he was fined $5 million for that. another defamation trial in which trump was fined an additional $83 million. in court filings trump's lawyers maintain he is innocent, they say the trial was publicly motivated arguing, quote, plaintiffs offered and repeatedly emphasized inadmissible evidence to the jury which was wrongly admitted by the district court and made other arguments that donald trump was prevented from addressing through improperly precluded questioning and evidence. trump's team argues the court limited what they could ask during cross-examination and say the judge allowed prejudicial and unrelated evidence including testimony from other women and the inclusion of the access hollywood tape. it's a busy week in court for the former president. yesterday his lawyers entered a not guilty plea, special counsel's jack smith's new indictment in the federal election interference case and today just down the street,
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judge murchon will issue a decision on the request to delay trump's sentencing in his manhattan criminal trial. trump wants that to happen after the november election. as for trump's appeal in this case we are not expecting a ruling from the bench today but we are expecting to hear from the former president, he will have a news conference at trump tower coming up at noon. stuart: as you just heard, judge juan murchon will decide whether to delay trump's sentencing in his connell trial. matthew whitaker, acting attorney general joins me now, trump will speak out at noon today. what will he be allowed to say about the judge's ruling? >> it is hard to know how close to the line the president wants to get but there's a lot of reasons for him to talk about the election interference that
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is happening with so many of these cases. you talk about this sentencing the judge murchon is bent on having in september, in 60 days before the election and quite frankly, also, possibly taking him off the campaign trail if he sentences him to prison. there are appeals that will happen but the biggest issue in this case is the fact that there was potentially immune testimony received from the case and he will have to start over because the supreme court said that's not admissible in court. stuart: that would be a big deal land it would make the new york court system look pretty bad. doesn't seem to be the new york legal business is in good repute, good standing. what do you say? >> this is a situation where
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donald trump, democrats, prosecutor, democrat judge took advantage of their power, took a case that quite frankly was on specious legal grounds. we talked about that before, novel legal theories, you have a jury convicted donald trump and now they are planning on sentencing him and this is a travesty of justice. stuart: let's change, hunter biden changed his plea to guilty on all nine federal tax charges, he faces years in prison and the big fine. why did hunter change his plea and why now? >> they were trying to get out of this case because the testimony that was about to happen, the testimony was going to be so damaging to the biden family and outline their entire business practices and i don't think printer but -- i don't think they decided this was not good for the family and they
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would plead guilty and eat all the charges ultimately. no doubt from this posture, the way this was done, that hunter biden knows he will get clemency from his dad at the end of the day. stuart: he thinks he will get clemency, like a pardon? >> pardon, commutation, some way he doesn't serve federal prison, you can mark my word on this, hunter biden will not see the inside of a jail cell. stuart: what is the politics of that? >> if it happens after the election there will be complaints by e specially republicans and conservatives but at the end of the day it will be a footnote in history. stuart: can we conclude the biden/harris tactic of lawfair against trump has largely failed? >> we won't know until
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november 5th because all of these issues, trying to take hunter biden off of being talked about for the next 60 days and introduce russian election interference, charges against trump. it is all swirling around. being manipulated by the democrats to affect this election. we will see if it is effective. stuart: one hundred 42,000 jobs added in august, the number of jobs added in june and july revised down to the tune of 86,000 we are beheaded for recession, edward lawrence spoke about how the white house is responding. elon musk has agreed to run the government efficiency commission if trump wins in november, musk said his commission would unlock tremendous prosperity for this country. joe concha deals with it next. ♪
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stuart: 20 stuart: chipmakers, all of them are down. and advanced micro devices down, >> you talk about pulte homes. stuart: lauren: the fed will cut rates, guaranteed conclusion. and the homebuilders are up. they are self driving, coming next year to europe and china, investors say not so fast. it leads in europe. tesla may have to offer a
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degraded version to comply with regulations. stuart: joey. lauren: share prices doubling to $53 a share, a pet retail market like chili and discipline with cost-cutting. stuart: jobs report showed 142,000 jobs in august that signals a cooling labor market. you spoke to acting labor secretary. >> she would never admit that it's a cooling jobs market, just that they have more work to be done to fix this. less than expectations of 142,000 jobs created. 20 in on manufacturing, 24,000 jobs last month going in the wrong direction over the past 3 months. over the past 3 months, a trend
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in the wrong direction, to bring manufacturing to the us. listen. >> what happening in the manufacturing sector? >> we are working to reverse decades of decline. it clear we feel policies and investments can make things in america again to electric vehicle batteries and more and we won't reverse decades of decline overnight. >> the job is weighing heavily on the federal reserve to lower the number, the lower this number is puts 50 basis point cut in the discussion. for my conversation at the federal reserve color looks like 25 basis points, 142,000 means the possibility of three cuts this year, not two. this will be the debate in the federal reserve. do they cut each meeting or is it one meeting, pause? >> i have been betting it will
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be 1/4 percentage point but i will rethink that. it's a very weak report. >> reporter: multiple job holders in this report, last time there were 8.5 million multiple job orders was december of 2,023. this year those job holders are increasing as people struggle to afford their lifestyle. stuart: cnn calling out kamala harris for campaigning on border security despite condemning the border for years. >> she called it wasteful, useless, a waste of taxpayer money, vanity project, wasteful border wall, a stupid wall, medieval vanity project, and unnecessary wall. there was really a lot of this, the common refrain during the campaign, she said it was against everything she stood for, everything america stood for.
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stuart: joe concha, even cnn is not buying this harris flip-flop. >> good job and that is the way it should be done. very simple quite frankly. look at what a candidate has said in the past on a certain position and compare it to what they are saying now and call it out. there are at least 50 tweets from cal her slamming trump's border wall but to add to the things she has said she said the wall will do nothing to stop illegal immigration. she said she wants to abolish ice. she compared ice agents to the kkk, decode lies illegal crossings. these were all her words, it would be wise for donald trump during the debate next tuesday, 80 million people will be tuning in, he should lay out what kamala harris's record on this, what the rhetoric has
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been seeing social services cut and jobs taken away. it's a long night. stuart: we heard she flip-flopped on plastic straws, don't mean to get into a discussion about that. donald trump says elon musk agreed to run his government efficiency commission if trump wins in november. >> i will create a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government making recommendations for drastically reforms. need to do it. elon because he's not very busy has agreed to head that task force. interesting if he has the time. good one to do it but he has agreed to do it. in 2022, fraud and improper payments cost taxpayers an estimated hundreds of billions of dollars.
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stuart: this commission is a good idea but i would love to see trump and elon musk working together to cover to bureaucracy. >> business men working in government to make government small, make government small again or make government efficient again. looking at gallup, number one and number 2, immigration, the border, number 3 is trusting government leadership, democrats, when it comes to controlling spending, asking politicians to give up a source of money is like asking dracula to forsake blood. allocating taxpayer dollars with common sense, something
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democrats and republicans are all 4. we went to see the government run in households, not spending money we don't have in getting the most out of the money you earn. kamala harris, her economic plan she wants to decrease spending and drastically expand government. that's the contrast between trump and harris, make government smaller or more efficient or blow it up, spend money and that leads to inflation. kamala harris is on the wrong side of this argument for many americans. we want rfk junior has an editorial in the wall street journal where he points out how disruptive he would be to the food and drug industry as a whole. another disruptor on the table. thanks for being with us this morning, see you again. programming note, september 10th is the abc news debate between trump and harris, the bottom line will begin special coverage from 6:00 to 8:00 eastern. fox business will simulcast the debate live at 9 p.m. eastern. coming up, the transportation
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stuart: we have some volatility in the market, we've been all green, half an hour ago, now we are down 200 on the dow and the nasdaq is down 282 points, that is one. 6%. some selling going on today. as for the cryptos, bitcoin at
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55,000 and ethereum 2449, both down. the cost of owning a condo is searching, threatening to drive owners out of the state. ashley webster in fort lauderdale, what is behind these jacked up costs? >> for one maintenance fees, the cost of keeping these buildings to code is very expensive, throw in the cost of insurance and homeowners association fees and you can be talking $3000 a month or more. all this in the wake of the 2021 condo building collapse. as a result of that, all buildings 30 years old or more if a strict code inspections and remarkably according to the latest data of all the condos for sale in broward, miami-dade, and palm beach counties, 90% are 30 years old or more and so what happens is
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these condo owners are facing to have these buildings repaired so what do they do? they can't afford it. someone has retired, living on a fixed income, faced with the $50,000 assessment and they can't afford it. what do they do? >> have to sell, have to get out. at some point they -- stuart: sell at a reduced rate. they would be left holding the bag. so condo prices as a result are going down. >> they are going down in some areas more than others. if you're getting into a condo understanding what you are buying into you have to look at condo documents, do your due diligence. stuart: thank you very much. what's interesting, we have these buildings that some call
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zombie condos, the homeowners association may have to file for bankruptcy and a developer comes along and buys the property%s on the dollar and puts a brand-new condos that cost a lot more. a trend that is happening more and more so the condo business is pushing prices down and forcing people out. that is the story in south florida. stuart: didn't realize it was that bad. the administration is looking at frequent flyer programs. what is this about? >> you are not getting enough for loyalty. pete buttigieg sent a letter to united american, delta and southwest. he's concerned that those four are taking advantage of their flyers by not giving them enough and trying to -- i am laughing, i get it, it's annoying, i feel like i can't
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do anything with my miles anymore and people are complaining about this but this is the department of transportation. i want them to worry about safety, delays, cancellations, not frequent flyer miles. he sent a letter. how do you out okay your points? have you changed the way you are doing it? seems like small potatoes. stuart: that is the secret to a transportation system. messing around with frequent flyer miles. lauren: you don't get anything with frequent fire miles nowadays. i don't see it as worthy of so much attention. stuart: the ceo of kroger is trying to save the merger with albertson's and the government doesn't want this merger, moving heaven and earth to stop it. stuart: he says together the two chains will lower prices by $1 billion as soon as possible because they will have the size
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to compete and negotiate better deals, they would control 14% of grocery sales. by contrast walmart has 22%. the ceo testifying in our federal court matters they try to block this merger on antitrust concerns so we ask if they are promising to lower prices by one billion dollars is that monopolistic and where is the price gouging? stuart: don't get me into this because my head will explode. the black national anthem was performed before last night's nfl kickoff game. once again has been met with backlash on social media. is it time for the nfl to abandon this? giano caldwell deals with it. kamala harris, her surrogates trying to lower expectations. mark marathon the implications this debate could have in pennsylvania which is a much released state.
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rates next week or the week after, we are down 300 on the nasdaq. that is 1.97%. look at microsoft perilously close to breaking $400 a share. it's down $5, 403 as we speak. kamala harris hunkering down in pittsburgh to debate with donald trump next week. what do we know about harris's debate strategy? >> reporter: the debate strategy is being formed away from the cameras while she is in pittsburgh about her campaign appears to have the latest fundraising numbers that show she had a huge month of fundraising, the biggest rest roots cover ever. the campaign bringing in $360 million in august, the cash on hand they been able to engage with a lot of new donors sitting on the sidelines, the vast majority of contributions with people who donated less than $200, money is going to use already.
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in pennsylvania, you would be blown away how many ads we are seeing on tv and radio. early voting taking off in mid-september. she is in pittsburgh but don't expect to see her on camera. she' s preparing for next week's first and only debate between her and donald trump. the new york times saying there could be high-stakes for harris as it writes the debate will be the longest and scripted setting, high risk encounter against an opponent with little regard for decorum. surrogates are trying to lower expectations. >> seven general election presidential debate, probably the most of anybody in history and donald trump is a showman. we know he will come in ready to debate. >> the debate in philadelphia would have a sweeping impact in pennsylvania where the latest polls show the race essentially tied and we expect campaign to
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talk about endorsements, the harris team saying it has been able to compile a list of endorsements from law enforcement officials trying to counteract what trump is saying today in charlotte, north carolina. stuart: lift every voice and sing which is often referred to as the black national anthem was performed at the nfl kickoff game between the ravens and the chiefs. where do you stand on this? some people think the black national anthem is divisive. what do you say? >> i don't think it is divisive. i grew up reciting the black man version — national anthem in schools but in this venue i'm not sure it is the proper place, we are all americans and more often than not when we recited the black national anthem it was among black folks. it's good to have a knowledge base where it comes from. certainly in this venue you want to unite everyone around
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you, usually the national anthem which americans have become accustomed it to is what you usually use in a setting like this. stuart: i don't know what the policy is. the black national anthem has been played at super bowls in the recent past. it was played last night. you wouldn't want, would you want to see it played at every nfl game? >> i don't think it is necessary. as americans, people who fought for this country, we want to use in anthem the country history has dictated, we want to unite as americans and not be in a place where people are confused and think something is divisive when it is not but we want to make sure we are uniting as a country when my experience with it was among my black peers in school but americans should know the history of it and understand where it comes from. stuart: a new poll shows harris leading trump among black voters by 60 points.
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that lead is smaller than hillary clinton's in 2016 and joe biden's in 2020. wise trump getting more support from black voters? i take it more support from black men than black women. and i right on that? >> you hit it right on the head. african-american men especially have been left out of the conversations in the democratic party. they feel, we feel completely unheard. that's been the case. that's why donald trump is focusing on issues black men believe in and resonate with us and are looking for a home. that's important for the republican party to pursue and target those voters. the republican party is a big-ticket, bigger tent thanks to donald trump. we saw 2016 with the working-class voters, we saw many individuals who never voted in their lives decided to vote for trump because they thought he was an honest person and authentic in his belief
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system. not only that, he's not an ideologue. if a democrat has a good idea he is willing to listen and take it on. republicans obviously, really critically important. in this election it is on the margins. the past primary, 650,000 people who did not support president biden's candidacy because of the conflict with hamas. those voters, many of are still upset. another group of individuals who may not support kamala harris's candidacy and a good consideration for donald trump. stuart: our got one minute left. how do you see the debate going next tuesday night at 9 p.m. eastern. how do you see it going? >> the reporting has shown kamala harris is going to be about substance, never been about substance in my view, the american people are tired of that. they want to hear how you going to make my life better, we know
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this $1 trillion in credit card debt. americans are struggling with inflation. 10% default rate. people are having a hard time with grocery prices. how will you improve my life? with 80% of americans believing the country is on the wrong track, how are you going to tell me you can fix the mess when you have been the one in the drivers seat? this is one where donald trump will call on her record and she will run away from every attempt and come back with an insult but it is not going to work. stuart: giano caldwell, thanks for being with us this morning. still ahead, chip roy on tent cities popping up in mexico. are we headed for another migrant surge around election time? congressman tony gone dollars says republicans could lose the house because they are focused on the wrong issues. doctor marc siegel on whether everyone should be getting flu and covid shots this season. the 11:00 hour is next. ♪
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and the things that we did overseas and not everybody can do that. adam! how's it going, brother? we live pretty close to each other. so he's always coming over. when i go to jack's house, we watch a lot of football, hang out. we go outside the friendship has kind of grown into a family i was overseas on a deployment. i got separated from my marines and i got hit in the neck, and it broke my neck and paralyzed me. 14 years ago, i was on a training mission. did a military freefall, and i had some faulty equipment. i hit the ground. going, 30 to 40 knots and was instantly paralyzed. i met jack fanning when he invited us to park city, utah, through his foundation. i was able to actually get on the mountain and ski with my family, i can't put into words what that meant.
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i got paid in the military to do crazy fun stuff. and after my accident, i'm still that same guy. and when i was able to jump out of a perfectly good, helicopter, at 10,000 feet, i did it. i was talking to some vets last week amazing how we have these houses where they can come over because they■re in chairs too. carpet and wheelchairs don't mix very well. tunnel to towers, they got rid of all that. they redid my whole bathroom. that's probably the favorite part of my house. i thought they were just going to do the upgrades. but the surprise to me was they paid off the entire mortgage. when they told me they're going to pay off my mortgage, i cried. please contribute $11 a month by visiting t2t.org now they get it. they know how it works. and most importantly, it works for them. i don't have any anxiety about money anymore. i don't have to worry about a mortgage payment every month.
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