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most purpose question of the campaign, that is the subject of the riff. kamala harris flubbed most important question of the campaign. and a big hat tip to my long time friend byron york, veteran ace columnist of wash examiner, referring to economy that is the most important issue in the campaign. now is that is the first question of the debate, it went to kamala harris, when it comes to the economy do you believe americans are better th off than they were 4 years ago, byron work's key point about kamalaa answer there was no there, th there. proposal 50 thousand dollar small business start up deduction. actually, under current tax law, still the trump tax cut law, new business owners can already deduct most early stage expenses like payroll

and equipment costs. start up expenses are minimal. and so many small business starts ups will confident will -- never spend 50 thousand at the beginning there is a poorly thought out plan. and she never mentioned her proposal to repeal virtually all of the highly successful trump tax cuts, including 100% immediate expensing bonus for purchase of new machinery and equipment. that bonus appreciation is one of the most powerful pro growth policies for large, small, and new businesses. and it looks like harris would repeal it. and her so-called economic plan raising top income tax rate to 39.6%, that is what most successful new and small business owners will pay. and her plan would repeal 20% small business cost

deduction in the trump land and she would jack up capital gains tax, that rewards successful small business owners and on top of that raises estate tax, that is another reward for successful small business owners. so, she can prattle on about a start up deduction, really, what one hand give the other take away here, is mr. trump last thursday. >> fifth pillar of my plan is to make the trump tax cuts permanent. my plan calls for expanded distribution, expensing for new manufacturing investments, and a reduction in the corporate tax rate from 21% to 15%. for companies that make their product in america.

>> there you go, that plan led to increase in cumulative real income, pre-pandemic, for typical working families of 6400 dollars during trump years, almost 5 times as much as the biden harris gain, of only 1350. now the rest of kamala so-called economic plan is throwing out 25,000 dollars of free money to buy a home. which would jack un expjack up price of new homes and 6,000 refundable tax credit for child that is basic guaranteed income for those who don't work that that is her opportunity economy. byron calls it government giving taxpayer people money so pay higher prices and

many economists believe these proposals are too big, too broad, not best use of money to help those most in need, that according to a "wall street journal" news story. by the way. mr. trump did double the child tax credit from 1 thousand to 2000. on top of that he slashed margin marginal tax rates for all individuals and businesses providing incentive to work and invest across the board, now, harris also wants to again increase earned income tax credit, also fully refund able, and the most fraud ridden program in the u.s. government, estimated 22 billion dollars in fr fraudulent payments. then remember, in economic speech in north carolina, she proposed price control on good -- food and

groceries and who knows what else, an ide ridiculed by economists on both sides of the aisle. on top of two trillion biden harris budget deficit. that runs as far as the eye can see. she has never proposed a single reduction in federal spending and never had answer for record deficit spending all of which would contribute to higher not plow are long run inflation, so. with that, mr. byron york concludes that kamala harris never really answered the question with the economy. do you believe americans are better off than they were 4 years ago. for millions people, that answer is no. all right. that is my riff, joining me now, friend kellyanne

conway. host of here's the deal with kellyanne here on "fox nation." welcome. i am going to read you our friend, karl rove, writing in "wall street journal," regarding debate. a catastrophic debate for trump. a catastrophic debate for trump. and he names all kinds of reinces -- reasons for that, i'm sure you read it, what do you think? karl got it right or wrong? >> i think that whole campaign is catastrophic for kamala harris. in this way, she is staying generic where people want grand ular, she thinks she is funny people are starving and struggling are trying to get facts and figures. and byron york is right, that if she doesn't get specific, she can't undo what most economic centric

voters think of her, she is part of what is wrong in washington spending money that we don't have on things we don't need and at any didn't ask for and all over the map. i disagree with framing. that are you better off than you were, that isration a that worked in 1980. 4 years ago people were home, kids were out of school, stores were closed. everyone was masked up, frameing is do you want trump 2019 or kamala harris 2019, in 2019, that is when trump's roaring economy was really taking off. he had an excellent necdirector inflati with larry kudlow helping them do that. and if you back at trump 2019 this is when we were rocking and rolling lowest

unemployment numbers among key cohorts that are now supporting him at higher level than republicans have seen in a while, african-american, hispanic voters, young people, and then, we have low interests, low un. un. unemployment, and -- and our corporations that went from highest to lower than average, for the corporate tax cut, investing in their openies employees, and consumer, i think this is important, 2019, is two kamala harris the real kamala harris stood up, she ran for president on her own, she was for green new deal and medicare for all and bernie sanders without the charm and warn without -- catastrophic, game

changes ending that is armageddon conversation, i think there were opportunities where trump could have turned to kamala harris and done what he does all of the time. which is, you have been from for three and a half years, what he said at end is most important, what have you done for me, you have been there three and a half years, if she has a plan let's see it now, call in 25 amendment be president do the plan. larry: ele look at thing, one thing karl cites in his article, said that trump didn't link her to biden. >> she doesn't have a plan. she copied biden's plan. and it is like 4 sentences, like, run, spot, run. 4 sentence, that are just oh, we'll try to lower taxes, she doesn't have a plan. remember that, she is

biden. larry: kellyanne, i think we all work agree mr. trump missed some opportunities. but that is plain, what we played. she could not answer. the -- you know are you better off? it was really a lot of word salad stuff, spend more money. and guaranteed annual incomes, and, deductions that we don't need. but trump linked her to biden, and the failures, and as you say, at the end, it was a hey maker. he just said, harp on that three and a half years, you had your chance, so, i'm prepared to say, yeah. some missed opportunities. okay. but i don't think that my springed and yours, karl rove is right. i am lookingal polls this morning say it is not a catastrophe, including the pay-to-play betting polls that say they are still even

when they were before. >> sure, we probably stepped in our lead this is donald trump's race to lose, fundamentals still favor him. the fundamentals are not just money, she has that. it is message and messenger, if a messenger is not credible and believable if you are not sure of who that is, 30% of "new york times" poll over weekend, said they need to know more about her, 18% need to know more about donald trump. there is nothing else to know about donald trump we have plowed that ground, she is talking about donald trump convictions. and we all want to know, we want people to talk about our convictions we want to feel secure, and safe and prosperous, this nonsense about kamala harris opportunity economy should not be trusted, she is there there is no up -- such thing, they have destroyed economy with the electric

have mandate and out of control government spending, she needs to eat and own all failing of biden white house, we should in the mention biden any more, except to say, they dumped him, and we should too, this is harris border crisis, and haharris hamas and harris uptick in treatment and violent, and harris needing to account for 13 families from afghanistan to victims of crime, this families say, what does she mean that crime is down. not in our family. where we lost a loved one, this is -- she is the incumbent, she is not the underdog. she is the person whoments whoment wants to us believe -- who wants us to believe we have have 4 to 8 of the same, every poll stace not true, debate of the more important to kamala harris than donald trump, she does not exercise those muscles we don't know

anything about her, that 3 aim a.m. call comes to domcommander in chief, you don't have notes, you have to make crack desdecision, worse thing a woman in authority power could to is be wi wishy-washy, sh shape shifting and amake. >> thank you. >> switching gears, how hard will it be for americans if trump tax cuts expire. we have our own hillary vaughn live from capitol hill. we -- you are fame out we were just talking about this subject. what you can tell us. reporter: well, if these tax cuts expire and nothing replace its millions of american the will owe uncle sam a lot more money on tax

day, a lot of money that americans don't have because inflation is causing them to pay paycheck to paycheck. here is what they came up. -- republicans in congress want to reup the tax cuts and job act but democrat say, not so fast, they want vice president kamala harris' tax plan to replace it. economist previewed for senators the impact it would have on the economy. and harris' tax hikes kicked in. >> 62% of households will face a tax hike it is allowed toke power, this is not something that folks will be able to ignore this will be very meaningful. >> we had our members asking them what would they do if taxes increase in 2026, they could assume a number of

these you just listed would happen, 66% said they would increase prices. you can imagine will be problematic with the inflation environment. reporter: a big difference between the tax plans, is hiking taxes on rich, harris wants to raise taxes on wealthy and corporations and trump does not. >> but no surprise, the mega million airs and billionaires are whining they could not possibly afford to pay tax, tell us, are they not making money. >> senator, they are making money. >> are these 10,000 mega million airs actually cash poor or living like monks? >> no, they are not. i have not seen many monks on yachts. but, no, they are not. >> monks pay no taxes, they rely on their community for food and shelter and have no money of their own, maybe,

that is what democrats want. larry. larry: democrats, i don't think they am more monks either. i want to say, this business, remember the state and local tax deduction, salt, was limited to 10,000 dollars. it used to be unlimited. virtually. and that hit the well to do, which is why the middle income people middle income wage earnings had a bigger increase in their tax savings than even the wealthiest did. that factoid never is discussed, salted tax -- the sasalt tax thank you hillary vaughn. >> we'll talk about trump tax cuts and what may happen if they are repealed. we have michael faulkender, and i scott hodge, you can catch kudlow monday

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would call that middle class. they would pay 2500 bucks more. couple earning 200 a year, still middle class, upper mimiddle class with three kids 7500 bucks more, what do you make of that scott hodge? >> it is a huge tax increase that automatically kicks in on january 1st, 2026. if congress does nothing. it is a 4 trillion dollar tax increase that kicks on automatically, congress needs to do something quickly. and what i'm afraid of we're not seeing enough movement on capitol hill to take it seriously. you know, with both biden and harris, saying they would repeal much of it, that is worrisome, i think for not only average taxpayers but entrepreneurs and small business owners will be some of the hardest hit taxpayers if the tax cuts are allowed to be

repealed. larry: scott hodge, repeal, of the trump tax cuts, which they talk about, now latest is corporate from 21 to 28. mm-hmm. i don't know i believe that that that is what they say. what about -- what have they said about 100% b bonus distribution such an important part of the incentives for new machinery, and new equipment and new, businesses, she wants to give 50 thousand dollar deduction for new businesses brand new start ups, something that most of them down need. i am interested in 100% expensing that is what everyone needs i fear that democratic victory would take that out and decimate capital spending and investment here. >> you are right. and one unfortunate aspects of the 2016 17 tax cut

that is slowly being phased away. and unless we renew it quickly, businesses can't rely on it to reduce cost of capital investment, improve the tools and machinery they their workers need to be more productive that hits u.s. gdp, and u.s. economick growth where it counts, that is unfortunate aspect of delay and lack of action that taxpayers deserve, stability, is important. for business owners, to be able continued to what kind of investments they can make, and how they are going to be able to pay for them, right now there a great deal of uncertainty, that i think will have a big impact on long-term economy growth. larry: brian faulkender, they say 62% would pay higher taxes, some other studies, are higher.

but middle income people, middle and lower, down they get hit the hardest in you repeal that? they had the biggest after tax gains from this, it was not the rich that did the best, i just put in last segment, editorialy, remember, salt deduction was capped 18 thousand, that is a blue state high tax thing, i would eliminate salt deduction that me, if you repeal trump tax cuts, who is hurt the most? >> that is right, it will be the middle income people who will be hurt, not just the direct taxes that they will pay, one most important things that was said in congressional hearing today, was that small businesses will pass along the increase

in form of higher prices, remember, it is not just that we're taxing people on their labor income most small businesses file through the individual tax code, if you increase tax rates, you are burying small businesses that are already suffering from massive regulation that biden administration has put in place, you are applying a higher tax rate, and taking away 199 a pass through dediction that goes to small business, they will pass it on to lower and middle income households, those who have within bru krushed crushed most, will get crushed more. larry: mike faulkender. quickly, the refund able tax -- trump raised child tax credit from 1,000 to 2000. and harris wants to take it to 6,000, and earned income tax credited. at what point does it look

like hard to account for, so much fraud in and a abuse and a gar afternoon teed guaranteed annual income, it pays you not to work. >> that is right. it is going to incentivize people to drop out of labor force there are no work requirements associated with it at a time of labor shortages the idea we need a couple million people to drop out because of a generous child tax credit is not what our economy needs. larry: scott hodge, if you repeal whole thing, what would that cost do you remember. . >> it is close do lowering gdp by 2%. capital spending goes down. incomes across the board will go down by 1% and job

losses in hundreds of thousands. you know that on par with what bi biden-harris want to do, we model harris tax plan it would cost economy 786 thousand jobs. people don't need a hand out through the tax code, they need a job. and her plan and allowing tax -- to expire costs jobs that the real crime in not taking action before the tax cuts expire. larry: what would job loss be? under the harris plan 700 what? >> 7 86 thousand. larry: that almost 800 thousand jobs, is that a big number? >> yeah.. >> holy cow. >> a really big number. larry: i have to look at, that i have to look at t ttax foundation web

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thinks the american people deserve a second debate. that she took stage minutes after trump posted on truth social there is not a second. there might be gamesmanship going on. she was candid about fact that she considers herself the under dog in the race that confirms what unnamed aides tell "new york times," that they don't think that race changed. at all. based on the what happened on stage in philadelphia tuesday night. something else we're noticing, they talk about debate, and advisers and interviews since about how kamala harris is prepared for job, and her values, reflect what she learns add joe biden's vice president. so, that -- and when the crowd gets going talking about trump, they say we're not going back. it makes it sound like status quo is the way to go, that is why it does not make sense that new harris

rally signs say a new way forward. if there is a new way forward, needed, then you would think they would talk less about current way. which is her as vp. larry: a good point thank you peter. we appreciate it. let's chew on this. joining me now on set, crowded but lovely. lliz peek, caroline downey, staff writer, and lee carter portfolio of mess mes land -- lee c carter, harris won debate by a wide margin. >> she did, she won debate and won the night, i had focus groups that said she did a great job but she did not win any votes not one person changed their mind, it was fascinating, people said she did a great job, she was you know all of these things, and i was a

thin why are you not voting for her, they said undecided voter i had 9, said, i wanted to hear what she will do differently than joe biden. i wanted to hear who is different about the economy, i congress afford groceries now, what will she bring prices down, she did not answer that simple question for them. and it doesn't traps trarn -- translate to vote.. >> harris faulkner on yesterday talking about you, we had results, if we could put if on full screen. let's watch this real-time. a little slow go ahead. red is republican, i will say, yellow must be independent and blue democrat, the yellow line is moving republican, flu blue, holy cow, nm

independents thought trump did well. >> that is what we saw in 2016, independents lock in step with republicans, he did not have that in 2020. we saw it again now, i think it is a big difference, people don't understand more than 68% of americans. change from how they are right now. peter doopeter dooboos -- people. to go back to way they were under d donald trump, they felt better, economy was better, they are ready. larry: caroline downey. catastrophic debate for trump, my friend karl rove's article in "wall street journal." what do you make of that. >> i think to lee's point that harris herself blew him

out of water in terms of presentation, preparation, what but trump did it was a passion, a scrappy but real -- >> he had well hay maker. >> it was righteous anger. >> he hit hard.. why it is a catastrophe, you win the night but you done win the vote, he is the change agent. >> right. >> media is exaggerating how much of a slamdunk defeat harris had over him, like you side undecides were lockilooking for answer how harris will govern, she was polished but she did not give anything. larry: liz peek, you buying stock in abc. >> i don't know that was a disaster. >> you were not happy. >> i don't think anyone was,

that they were biased, they fact checked donald trump and not kamala harris, on social security people were immediately throws stones at them, it was an embarrassment for them and abc. what people wanted from kamala harris was to flesh out some of the top line policy things she sort the thrown out there. and i think she can't. show -- she doesn't there is no meat on the bone. larry: that was src subject of my receive, read terrific column by byron york in washington examiner on this point, first question, okay. >> yeah, she skirted it. larry: right this was the question you are better off than 4 years ago, you know. you are an economic person. >> she can't, this -- the disappointment in donald trump he has a thousand facts on his side. and he just didn't dredge up

one. i don't think to really make his case, that was very discouraging. i heard byron donald's ahead am time and others, tom cotton talk about trump he should say, it was such a clear message, and trump just didn't deliver. but, you know, guess what,. larry: thing that since richarding on this liz's last point, trump gave a detailed economic speech before the new york economics club, which was covered world wide. he was speaking in new york. and midtown, but it was a global speech. it was a very good speech. in my opinion. you wouldn't begrudge fact it was carefully put together speech. i was disappointed more details did not come out. on your point about independence and she may have win night but not the

vote. she won tactically but not nerps of win terms of what caroline side. what were thoseme independents saying, did you interview them? was it about change? or they didn't like her or did like him or what? can -- is there a way to narrow down. >> they said is they were impressed with her preparation, they felt she was smarter than shea e they expectedd her to be but she did not address the issues of the economy or of the immigration. the one point, if you think back to that debate, very few things you will remember what they said, you will remember two, you will remember comments about dogs and we'll talk about that the other they will remember is that he said, why haven't you done in in last three

and a half years. >> what was it. >> at end of debate, i asked every voter what stuck out to them that was the thing. larry: that was a hay maker. an upper cut to the jaw that could have been a knock out in 15 round. >> it was a t stalemate debate at end of day, trump has all statistics to brag about with record low unemployment for minorities and real wages went up under his administration, he did not cite that and kamala harris failed to extricate herd from the biden. >> everyone in the room, right, left, middle decided undecided say that trump's economy was a better economy. he doesn't have to list facts, they are not message. >> is it kamala harris lies all of the time, about the trump economy. she started off talking about worst unemployment since great depression, no that was because covid shut

down the economy, there are people less upping to her saying that was bad. >> she lied on abortion. >> he as opposed a federal ban on abortion. and he has favored -- does that matter. >> lying on a key issue. and abc moderates or didn't call more it. >> or anything. >> not only that. >> that s. >> this is what national review was angry about. we have a lot of veterans. mark wright said, they did not fact check she said we have no u.s. military members in combat jones. >> that is ignore act, act, shame on her. >> we have 4 war zones, and we -- >> and 3 servicemen killed

in january in jordan. >> people -- watching. know that. >> maybe. >> i think people do. >> i hope so. >> they are smarter than you think. the afghanistan -- this is interesting. you giving a balance view, i understand some opportunities were lost. fact or two sometimes goes a long way that is business that liz and i are in or used to be in or something. >> i like facts. larry: i looked at it, okay. i have said a hundred times on set she is not stupid. >> she is not. >> having said that, she proved that, the bar was low, so tactically, i think she scored points but, policy wise, emotionally, i like that. and there is votes didn't change. >> only thing --

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>> there is not one rule for friends and another for foes. one rule for powerful and another for power powerless, one rule for rich and another f for poor, one rule for democracy and another th for republicans. >> quite extraordinary in my judgment. joining us kerri urbahn, thank you for helping us today. i'll let you begin, what do you make of what he said. >> i have no doubt that attorney general merrick

garland believes what me said, but unfortunately his words are divorced from reality of his department's actions and i made a list. just some examples things that deputy has done. made everyone question the integrity in particular with respect to how they treat republicans and conservatives, start with parents, investigating angry parents at school board meetings. attorney general merrick garland directed national security division, they are responsible for investigating terrorism, to lock at angry parentsal school board meetings who are worried about their kids, and first time dojnow prosecuting people who blow up congressional subpoenas and it happens to be trump aides, they are prosecuting on that. how about the fact that they didn't prosecute any of blmprotesters, they went

after pro life activists, who in chalk on a sidewalk, said that preborn black lives matter, a three-judge panel, here in washington, said that the department of justice was selectively inforcing the law. -- enforcing the law. against pro life folks. then let's remember that someone tried to murder justice bret kavanaugh that was two years ago. that still has not gone to trial, this does not go to trial until next june they push through cases gain donald trump, and speaking of supreme court, if you recall after the decision that dobbs decision was leaked all those people showed up conservative justice's homes, bullying, harassing. there is a law in the books that protects against that. this department of -- they never enforced it it goes on and on, i am be here all day. >> terry mcauliffe great reporting, great reporting. and i don't know merrick

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