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asman in for larry kudlow. president trump is now proposing an end to the taxing overtime pay while harris, of course, quickly copied trump's proposal to entaxes on the tips, she has called for increasing other taxes, a whole she bang adds up to nearly $5 trillion of tax increases. wisconsin senator ron johnson is going to be weighing in on that and much more in just a minute. but first, our own madison alworth is standing by with more of those lovely details. >> reporter: hi, david. president trump introducing a new tax policy that was well received by his supporters on thursday. in his first rally since debating vice president harris, trump call for an end to tax on overtime pay, saying that worker like truck drivers and construction workers deserve a financial break. take a listenful -- listen. >> we will end all taxes on overtime. that gives people more of an incentive to work. the people when work overtime are among the hardest working citizens in our country, and for

too long no one in washington has been looking out for them. >> reporter: now, this policy announcement is just the latest in a string of moves by the former president to help americans keep cash in their wallets. before this no tax on overtime pay policy, president trump has also promised no tax on ins or social security -- on tips or social security benefits. he has also said he will extend his own tax cuts from his previous administration. the overtime tax policy itself would help a lot of people, over 42% of workers polled by gallup say they work more than 40 hours a week. now, not all of those are hourly employees, but based on the folks that they bold, the majority if actually are. while harris has also said she would not tax tips, she has not reciprocated on any of trump's other proposals. in fact, last night the harris campaign criticized the overtime plan saying in part, quote: no matter how much he lies now, don there trump's record and agenda

are clear. as president, he stole millions of dollars of wages from workers he purr purports -- purports to represent. it devastated families. a second term will be even worse. a recent study by congressional republicans showed the average family in america is spending $1, 20100 -- 1,100 per month more since january of 2021 when biden took office. now, the trump campaign didn't offer specifics on the how the tax break would work or how it'd be paid for, but you can expect this idea to be a popular a one. david? is. david: madison, thank you very much. joining me now is wisconsin senator ron johnson. senator, i've got to say, she keeps coupleing -- upping the ante on these fibs she comes out with, maybe already some worse ways to describe it, but i won't do it on a family television program. but to say that donald trump stole millions of dollars of

wages from workers after the inflation that we have seen which has robbed workers of their purchasing power to the billions, some might eastern say the trillions of dollars when you add it all up, i mean, who's got this story right? >> well, first of all, david, she's lying. do you think the legacy of the corporate media are going to call her on it? there was a great article in the federalist publication just documenting 25 lies she told during the debate. so, again, you cannot believe anything that comes out of her mouth. she doesn't know what she's talking about. but what i want to focus on is what president trump is focusing on, the hard working men if women of americaful all of his tax proposals are focused on people when work, who work tirelessly, who work hard to provide for themselves and their families. that's what our focus should be on, and the fact of the matter is if we do nothing, a lot of the tax cuts, most of the tax cuts expire, and that's almost a

$5 trillion tax increase just right then and there. throw on top of that kamala harris' tax the proposal where she's increasing the corporate rate which would harm the economy, she backs to the tax the unrealized -- both unrealized capital gains and, again, forcing people to sell asset ises. that will tank markets. she wants to put in wage and price controls which will reduce the supply of goods, drive up inflation. again, the most devastating stat and biden has put out so many of them, but in terms of economically, the fact that it does cost americans more than $1,000 per month just the maintain the standard of living they had because of their 40-year-high inflation, because of the massive deficit spending which they want to continue. the war on fossil fuel, they want to continue. it's a shame the legacy media don't hold her accountable for the devastation to working class men and women that the biden-harris administration wrought on our economy. david: yeah, well, we caught he.

i've got to put out something that she said, picking up on what biden said and she repeated it in the debate on tuesday night. she said the trump tax cuts were just for billionaires. we know that 65% of taxpayers, even "the new york times" admitted this, 65% of taxpayers got a tax cut as a result of the trump tax code that was put in in 2017. then she said it cost $222 trillion. well -- $2 trillion. well, as a matter of fact, it brought in an extra 47% of revenues in the 5 years from 2017-2022, as you can see here, almost 48% increase in revenue. that's an increase of about a $111.5 trillion. so -- 1.5 trillion. it didn't cost $2 trillion, it made $11.5 trillion because there was more economic activity. shouldn't donald trump just over and over and over again be pointing that out? >> yes. you know, we always -- when we

score these things, there's a static score. doesn't take into account the dynamic impact of economic growth. and so prior to the covid pandemic, that tax cut had pretty well paid for it. then, of course, you had the covid recession, but, again, principal revenue was up. -- federal revenue if is up. the problem is federal spending is up grotesquely. in 2019 the total government spending was $4.9 trillion. this year we'll spend almost $7 trillion. our population has grown about 32% since that time -- 2 since that time period, spending's up 65%. there's no justification for that. that's what's caused the inflation, interest rate increase, that's what's caused the pain american families are experiencing. david: yeah. and that's what put a hole in american workers' pockets. that's where the millions and billions have gone, towards inflation. that's the worst tax of all. but she also, she was also claiming that manufacturing was a great success. over the past three months, we

have lost manufacturing jobs. we lost about 8,000 manufacturing jobs in june. in july we had an uptick but only 1,000 jobs. we -- the total job loss because in august we lost 24,000 manufacturing jobs. in the past three months, we've lost 31,000 manufacturing jobs. how could anybody claim success on the manufacturing trump with a record like that? >> well, because she has the media in her back pocket, by and large. no, look, the sad fact, and this is unsustainable, so much of our economic growth and job with creation has come from deficit and government spending, from government jobs. again, you want the grow the private sector. that's the golden goose the democrats are trying to kill. david: yeah. well, that's exactly what has created this great country that we live in, is the private sector. the more trillions you take out of it and hand to the government, the less productive a country you'll have.

i want to switch gears for a second because the secret service investigation if of the july assassination attempt on donald trump is really turning up a nest of hornets here. and even to your democrat colleague dick blumenthal suggested -- i want to the play a sound bite of his and then come back to you. roll that. >> i think the american people are going to be shocked, astonished and appalled by what we will report to them about the failures by the secret service in this assassination attempt on a former president. david: senator, shocked, astonished and appalled that. 's coming from the a -- from a democrat. what can you tell us about what would lead him to say things like that? >> first of all, aren't we already shocked, appalled, astonished by the failure, the spectacular failure? if you don't need to know a whole lot more, but we'll get into more details. we are going to issue a bipartisan preliminary finding within the next couple of weeks. again, bipartisan is extremely important.

you know, i was in the same briefing with acting director rowe and, by the way, this is exactly how they slow walk it. they come can and meet with it, they don't give you much information. it did allow me to just go through the laundry list of things we still haven't gotten yet. we don't have the 302s, the transcriptions from the fbi interviews, so it'd be very handy as we go into our interviews, we can learn an awful lot. we don't have trajectory reports, the autopsy report. the house does. we don't have toxicology reports. again, we don't know, what did you do with the crime scene? did you recover bullets? david: right. >> again, there's so much that really is just not being disclosed by the fbi and secret service -- david: well, do you have the bipart season support? i -- bipartisan support, i just played the sound bite from senator blumenthal. he's along with you then. can you break this log jam of information with the bipartisan group of senators? quickly.

>> well, they need to start issuing subpoenas, quite honestly. again, this is kind of, i hope, a last chance for director rowe of the fbi to start turning over documents unredacted, make available the key witnesses we need to talk to. again, i don't have the power to compel testimony. i'm not the chairman. it'll take those two to start issuing subpoenas. i hope they're willing the start doing that. david: senator ron johnson, thanks for being here. have a great weekend, we appreciate it. coming up, attorney jenner merrick garland is denying that the doj has ever been used as a political weapon. really? victor davis hanson is going to be weighing in on that when "can kudlow" continues. ♪ ♪ (woman) did i read this? did i get eggs?

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wouldn't it be easier if you could find what you want, all in one place? my favorites. get xfinity streamsaver with netflix, apple tv+, and peacock included, for only $15 a month. >> our norms are a promise that we will not allow this department to be the used as a political weapon. and our norms are a promise that we will not allow this nation to become a country where law enforcement is created -- treated as an apparatus of politics. [laughter] david: honestly, it's hard not to laugh at that -- i mean, that is our attorney general of the united states talking. that's attorney general merrick garland denying that the his department of justice has ever been used as a political weapon

despite many examples of two-tiered justice practiced during the biden-harris administration. joining us now is victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution. victor, i just don't know where to start. you could start with the mar-a-lago raid which was something that had never been done to a former president before. that was pretty outrageous. then you had the attacks on parents defending their kids at pta meetings, an armed raid -- several armed raids of pro-life activists, and i want to start though with, i think, the midwest significant which is when we saw the number three man at the department of justice, a guy named -- kohl anglo, that's him on the left, for alvin bragg's lawsuit against a former president who was challenging the current president of the united states. it was a very political local court prosecution based on an uncharged, expired misdemeanor

that miraculous miraculously turned into 34 felonies. that was all a allowed by the judge on the right, merchan. is that now the normal of american justice? because that ain't justice. >> yeah. i mean, if merrick garland really believes that,s all he has to do is cite one more example of any of the top three or four or five federal attorneys in the doj in new york going and being outsourced or resigning and taking a lesser-compensated job at a local prosecutor's officeful that doesn't happen in california, it doesn't happen in utah, it doesn't happen anywhere in the united states. so all he has to do is say we have a very top, high ranking justice official who chose to, you know, step down and go to mississippi or wyoming or new mexico to help out on on a municipal prosecution. and he can't do that, and he knows why he can't do it. we have fannie will race who, remember, nathan wade, her

parahour, he met twice with -- paramore, he met twice with white house legal counsel and he billed them for the hours that they met. then we had jack smith in 2023 who was investigated for meeting with white house aides, the federal prosecutor. then we have joe biden in 2022 kind of walking around muttering to the himself, when are they going to go after trump? and, of course, there were a lot of people who said jack smith had no federal statute, special prosecutor legislation had expired, and no one in the congress had authorized that special courage appointment. so -- and then i could finish off with remember reid hoffman, the being bill -- billionaire who donates lavishly to the biden campaign? he funded the entire e. jean carroll civil suit that ended up costing trump supposedly $73 million. that that's all it has has, is lawfare against a political enemy on the part of merrick garland. a. david: if donald trump is elected president again, how

would he go about fixing things at the department of justice? we haven't even begun to talk about homeland security either. i mean, there's so many of these bureaucracies, but the most important one, i think, is department of justice. how would he be able to the untangle that web there? >> i think he's going to have toking hook at all the political to point -- appointments and ask for their resignation. and if i think they know that, and i think they're preemptively criticizing trump because they know that if they were trump and they had done to themselves what they have done to trump, they would go after themselves. and they're projecting. but if he doesn't do that, he'll never reach deterrence. he's got to say to the nation, these people misused law, i don't like political appointments on my own behalf, but i don't know how the -- to remind them what that what they did was wrong other than to relieve all of these political appointments and start from scratch. and i think he's going to have to do that.

what was wrong with the last administration is he didn't do that enough with political -- david: no, he did concern i think he thought he'd have another term to finish the job. i want to switch to your analysis of the debate was pot on. you had the best analysis of the debate that i'd seen. even democrats or some democrats, very few, i have to admit, but mark penn was on a broadcast with john solomon, i think it was a podcast, and he's a democrat pollster. here's what he had to say about the way the debate was handled by abc and what should be done about that. roll tape. >> i actually think they should do a full internal investigation, hire an outside law firm. i don't know how much of this was planned in advance. i don't know what they told the harris campaign. i think that the day after suspicion here is really quite high, and i think that, i think a review of all their internal

texts and e-mails might really should be done by an independent party to the find out to what extent they were planning on, in effect, you know, fact-checking just one candidate and, in in effect, rigging the outcome of this debate. i think this situation demands nothing less than that. david: well, i have to be honest, or i don't think that's going to happen. i've been around these networks for many a decade, and i've never seen them do a switcheroo that dramatically. however, if mark penn, a democrat pollster, is saying that -- and he's kind of middle of the road democrat. there aren't many of them left. but what about all those independents who watched that? do you think they are having another think about what actually happened during that debate? >> oh, yeah. i mean, that's why the democrats are asking for another debate, because in the digestion period of the subsequent 7 the hours -- 72 hours, people looked at that a debate through different lenses, and they started to look

at the sound bites and they started to remember the asymmetrical questioning, the asymmetrical fact checking, the interruption of the tempo of trump, the direction of demanded follow-ups to trump, no follow-ups, and then the questions themselves were softballs to the her. everybody understood that. and their narrative has changed too. right after the debate they were high-fiving each other and said we finally fact checked trump, and now finally ms. davis is on the defensive and saying, well, we had to because of what happened with biden x that kind of gave the game away. and now i think they're in the defensive mode, and they're kind of apologetic or silent at least, but they know what they did. i think the worst was they ruined the tempo of the debate. as someone who's debated a long time, it's very easy to remedy this, you just go by the oxford, cambridge, rules of debate. statement-statement, are rebut

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inserted into the area just if jort -- north of lebanon. the target officially was called the scientific studies and research center. israel believed they were developing medium and long-range precision weapons to be fired into israel by iranian proxies like hezbollah. israel had struck without much effect before because the important parts were built underground, so this time commandos hand-carried explosives into that facility to guarantee destruction. the syrian health minister says 18 syrians were killed, 37 injured. >> it does not run the risk of escalating the situation in the region. what does run the risk of escalating tensions in the region is our border with jordan and the west bank. i think that's, that's a significant source of concern because we are seeing increased palestinian terrorist activity in those areas. >> reporter: now, israeli forces have increased their activity in the west bank in recent days. in several palestinian towns and

in the jordan value,s us trial troop -- israel says troops destroyed bomb laps and seized caches of weapons, no reports of casual dison the israeli side. david? david: mike, appreciate it. since donald trump's maximum pressure campaign against iran was lifted by the biden-harris administration, iran's been using its extra billions of dollars to to fund terrorism and complete work on a nuclear a bomb. question now is whether israel is on its own to do something about this. let's ask nir barkat a, israel minister the of economy and industry. thank you for being here. before we get to iran, how is israel doing? how is the morale, the economy, day to the day life of? >> well, we have hostages in tunnels in gaza. so it's tough. it's tough to sleep at night knowing that these hostages are treated the way they are. we've heard just the brutal

murder of six of them just a week ago. we're dealing with monsters. hamas are nazis in their behavior. you saw what happened in the atrocities of october 10 11th, sorry, october 7th, and we understand we will never let this happen again. we have to eliminate hamas, get them out of the picture because they're saying they're going to do it again. and they're, by the way, inspired by iran and by qatar. these are the two the the heads of the snake. mind you that we in israel understand that we have iran threatening us. they're using, proxy strategy to, with hezbollah in the north in remember monoand hamas in gauze and -- gaza, and it's iran that wants to kick us all out and kill us. they want to bomb, and they use this strategy of proxies to choke israel, and we must hit iran. not just us. it's not just our war.

it's a global war, you know? look at the modern arab states. the saudis, the ones in the gulf, they're threatened by iran practically the the same. david: right. every time i go over there, i'm surprised how militant when you go to saudi arabia, her almost as a anti-iranian as the israelis are. is there is an alliance there. but the real question is, i mean, before we talk about becoming a part of a military coalition because a lot of americans don't have the stomach for that against iran, what about the economic pressure. we had a maximum pressure campaign during the trump administration that essentially was bankrupting the country. they didn't have the money to continue with their nuclear research. they didn't have the money to send to hamas and hezbollah. we have intercepts between iran and the hezbollah and hamas members proving that they were saying, look, sorry, guys, we can't give you your monthly

donation if now because we just don't have the money. that ended when the biden administration removed the sanctions. they have about an extra, what, i don't know, 100 to, 200 -- donald trump said $300 billion. how do you get the maximum pressure campaign back? >> there's a rule that works in the middle east, and you have to understand if you like it or don't like it, that's the rule. you've got to be really bad with the bad guys and good with the good guys. the bad guys don't understand niceties, if you're trying to be friends. they will use it against you. and we understand that with jihadists like iran and qatar, by the way, qatar mustn't be left off the hook here, and the proxies, they don't care -- david: but you understand. the question is whether the biden-harris administration, do they understand? because they haven't, hay haven't done anything -- they haven't done anything close to what donald trump did -- >> it's not helping us. it's not productive in aligning interests against the regime,

the ayatollahs in iran. they're jihadists. by the way, they want to take saudi arabia, i don't know if who's first in line, saudi arabia or us, but we're all in the same line. qatar is funding trillions of dollars here in the united states eating us from within in the campuses and other things, the billions of dollars they're investing. they're the biggest funder of terror around the world with iran. their plan is to hit israel, destroy israel, take over the saudis, and from then on they continue their imperial approach of -- david: they can't, let's face it, they can't do that without a nuclear a weapon. but the question is how close they are to one. mike turner, congressman who has a lot of influence in intel and he get intel, here's what he had to say recently, i think it was back in august about their nuclear program. roll it. >> there is a possibility with the advances that have been made under the biden administration's policy that iran could, reported are out that iran could declare

itself a nuke weapon state by the end of the year. david: now, that was a month ago. is he right, first of all, and would israel allow that to happen in. >> you know, 150,000 rockets aimed at israel the is almost equivalent of atom,ic bomb? what they have around us to try to choke us with missiles and drones. and mind you, they attacked us ream with 330 -- israel with 330 drones and rockets directly at israel just a few months ago. the fact that we had good defense doesn't take them off the hook. these are evil, bad guys, and we must make sure they pay a heavy price and deter them -- david: but how close are they? could they have a nuclear bomb by the end of the year? >> well, i'm not part of the knowledge base in our, in the army, but unfortunately their motivation is extremely high. we must make sure they pay a heavy price and deter them. they will not be deterer thed --

deferred can -- deterred before we go on the offense and make sure they pay a hiv price. -- heavy price. david: quite the opposite, they're much richer than they were four years ago. >> and a defensive strategy is not good enough. we have good defense, but it's not going to stop iran from what they're doing. good defense must be great offense, and we must hit iran and pay a heavy price, and nobody should be concerned about it because, you know, all the arab countries, the modern arab states around us want to see us beat and take over iran and all of its proxies, and all the muslim brother hollywood that threaten them as much as us -- muslim brotherhood. we must work together with the united states administration -- david: well, as you know, you may have a different administration to deal with in januaryful very quickly, we've got to run, but do you think that even the harris-biden administration is at least willing to listen the your

attempts to go back to maximum pressure p or have you given up on their ability to understand that? >> we have to be bipartisan. i've been demonstrating and proposing to go to the palestinian emirates model which is a different, better model than a two-state solution, better, because there's not a successful one arab democratic country. the successful arab countries are either autocracies or monarchies. and why don't we want the use the experience of the emirates and the saudis to help us bring the abraham accord to the palestinians with a different model? so i think that we must work -- we know we must work in a collaborative the way, in a bipartisan way and get everyone to understand that iran is a threat to the world s and we can take them on and we will take them on. david: minister barkat, really appreciate it. well, switching gears now, this week's presidential debate overshadowed the 23-year memorial of the 9/11 attacks that killed almost 3,000 americans.

but the memorial did lead many to wonder whether we are again becoming vulnerable to our enemies both abroad and from those who have slipped in illegally through our porous borders. let's discuss this with charlie hurt, fox news contributor, and ned ryun, founder and ceo of american majority and authority of a new book called american he vie than: the birth of the administrative state, i thought we had a picture of it, apparently, we don't. thank you both for being here. charlie, i just want to play you some is sound of something that brought these two issues together, the security issue of the united states of america dealing with the memorial, the 23rd memorial of 9/11, and what's happening with our political debate. it was a meeting in shanksville, pennsylvania, which, of course was where united 93 went down. between donald trump, who came into the hangar, but before him

was harris and biden. let's roll that tape and get your reaction. [inaudible conversations] [cheers and applause] david: so i guess you could see that. that was biden and harris came in and there were just crickets. there weren't even crickets. it was just so sound at all, and then somebody said, there he is, donald trump. i mean, what do you make of that? this is one of the ground zero spots commemorating the 9/11 attacks, and you saw the way they reacted to the different candidates. >> yeah. i think you're right. even the crickets left the building. it's amazing to look at that because, you know, there's no question who the constituency is

in america for donald trump. the constituency are these people that are in this fire hall. they're the people who mourn the dead on 9/11, from 9/11. they're the people who fight in our wars and mourn the people that get killed overseas. those are the constituents for a donald trump presidency. i don't know who the constituents are for kamala harris. it's abc news, obviously, and i think a lot of the people in our media a business who are her constituents, but beyond that, honestly, david, i walk around and i talk to lots of people, lots of democrats, and i just ask people, you know, who inspires you? and i get a lot of democrats who are inspired by aoc or, you know, bernie sanders. i don't know anyone who is inspired by kamala harris except people who just don't like donald trump and, therefore, they're inspired by anybody who's not donald trump.

david: well, the question is who will they be inspired to the vote for. and, again, how much security was going to -- with the economy, we know, is still number one, ned. that's the number one issue, as well it should be. but security more and more is playing a role in people's lives that we don't want to be there whether it's afraid of regular crime on the street or what's happening at the border, these new venezuelan gangs, etc. we're going to talk more about them coming up, but 1968 security played a big issue in getting richard nixon elected, and he focused on that. he focused on crime and insecurity. is that going to happen between now and election time here? >> i think it absolutely will, david. i mean, the immigration crisis is not about the porous southern border and importing venezuelan gangs. the panamanian government reported a few days ago that they actually have seen hezbollah moving through the darien gap below our southern

border. this is a national security issue, and it's been brought about in a very intentional, systematic way by the biden-harris administration. i would relend people -- remind people again in the first year of the biden term, 300 executive orders literally annihilating and destroying the security of our southern border that has put us in this position. and on 9/11, david, it was shocking to me to youngs that the pose what -- juxtapose what took place on 9/11 to where we are 23 years later in that we actually have an administration overtly weakening our national security by what they've done op on our southern border in a very intentional way for almost four years. david: and, charlie, i know we get bogged down in talking about cats and dogs and whether they're being eaten by immigrants and so forth during the debate -- [laughter] but there is real stuff going on in places like aurora, colorado, and springfield, ohio, real stuff. affecting real people. one of whom lost her mother-in-law to a haitian

migrant in a horrific car accident. i just want to the play a sound bite of her talking about it. roll tape. >> that morning though a haitian immigrant was allegedly driving recklessly when he struck and killed her. i say allegedly because to this day there's been no punishment, not even for the expired tags on the vehicle he was driving. david: that's what people are dealing with. and, obviously, this is a minority of people compared to the united states, but their word gets out there. they have relatives and friends and talk -- everybody'ses afraid. everybody has an interest in this story now. >> well, maybe they are a minority but, of course, this is happening all over the country, and it's not being reported9 accurately by the press or at all by most of the press. and any normal or sane political environment, if you had a politician the running for office who was singularly responsible for allowing

millions of people into the country, some of whom have have committed horrifying crimes including murder and rape and assaults on children, that politician would be forced to pay a price for it in public -- david: right. >> -- in a very, very severe way, and we would be looking at some, like, you know, 80-20 the election here where joe biden and kamala harris would be just taken out with the garbage. but yet you have this press, this dying political press, who are desperate to sort of keep their power together and propping these people up. it's insane. david: ned, very quickly i want to get this in because there was something else that happened yesterday of the kamala headquarters put a re-election headquarters put up a picture of j.d. vance and his answer to a question, do you want to privatize the d.a.s around --

v.a.s around america, and he said it might be an idea to look into, but they left out this sound bite. i just want to play that and get your reaction. roll it. >> would you ever consider privatizing health care for veterans? >> i think that i'd consider -- and donald trump was really good at this, doesn't get enough credit for this particular innovation, but giving veterans more choice, right? if let's say you're in a rural hospital, your closest v.a. is 120 miles away. why force a veteran to drive two of and a half hours to that v.a. facility when he can get cheaper and good care right in his backyard, right? so i do to think we ought to open up choice and optionallingty for veterans. i would say give people more choice. david: ned, talk about selective point.g the make a dishonest >> correct. and i think the dynamic that people aren't paying attention enough to in 2024 that's different from 2020 is the free speech platform of twitter, now x, that elon musk has allowed

for people to be able to fact check this in realtime and expose the lies of the left of in relatively short amount of time. david: absolutely. absolutely. that makes a lot of difference. guys, i wish we had more time, we've run out of it. charlie, ned, thank you very much for being here. coming up, trump was fact checked at the debate for saying crime skyrocketed under the biden-harris administering, but new doj data fact checked the fact checkers. paul mauro jones -- joins me right here on set when "kudlow"i continues.ng dad: aim at the wall, but get closer. daughter: (gasps) what the?! daughter: alright. dad: side to side. when you work with someone who knows a lot and cares even more... you can do this. ...you're unstoppable. (♪) wow... are you kidding me? you can do this. at truist, we believe the same is true for banking.

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get xfinity streamsaver with netflix, apple tv+, and peacock included, for only $15 a month. >> crime here is up and through the roof despite their fraudulent statements that they made. crime in this country is through the roof. >> president trump, as you know, the fbi says, overall, violent crime is actually coming down in this -- >> excuse me, the fbi were defrauding statements. they didn't include the worst cities. they didn't include the cities with the worst crime. david: one of of the many points on which trump and only trump was fact-checked during this week's presidential debate, and it was extremely weak at that. we're joined by paul mauro, fox news contributor. paul, great to see you. so did trump get it right? >> he did. and normally i try to speak with a little bit more nuance about these things. there's no nuance here, he's

right. the fbi numbers don't capture crimes that occurred, they capture crimes that were reported, all right? a very significant -- david: and a number of cities didn't turn in those -- >> the worst cities tend not to like, for instance, the numbers that are really going up, new york city, for an example, is up over a third in violent crime. since when they're talking about, 2020 or so. right around when the criminal justice reforms really hit. so if you don't have new york or las vegas l.a., crimes that are not only experiencing an influx of migrant crime which also doesn't go reported, especially migrant on migrant crime, property crime's not being reported, 44% of robberies are only being reported that. 's dropped about 20. so what's reported and what's happening are significantly different, and the bureau of justice statistics which is what president trump's -- trump's using has always tracked the fbi numbers. suddenly two years ago, they diverged. what changed? bureau of justice statistics is

the more accurate metrics. david: it's incredible. it's really third world we're dealing with whether in crime, labor statistics, etc. i want to switch to the venezuelan gangs. you were one of the first people i know, and i know a lot of people in law enforcement, who talked about this one gang in particular, the tren de aragua. i guess i'm proannounce it right. anyway, they are all over the united states right now, and the "wall street journal" had a big spread about their international connections. they are an international crime family, i guess you can call it, and not unlike the cosa nostra, right? >> very powerful. and far more powerful in latin america than they ever were in america, but with the migrant influx, we've imported about 700,000 venezuelans. even a small percentage of them are criminals, and we know maduro almost certainly is taking a page out of castro's book and exporting his criminal- david: what happened in the early '800s. >> but here's the thing to take a larger picture, think about

what happened with the cose that nostra, for decades, hoover, the head of the fbi, existed. as a result, they gained a foothold, hierarchical order -- david: hoover doesn't want to -- didn't want to believe anytime. >> the it's a matter of record that he wouldn't believe it, so they got established. if we don't wake with up to the fact that these guys are establishing themselves, they're going to be that much harder -- david: but it looks like they already are. in places like aurora, colorado, and big cities like new york, they're beginning to to do that, to dig in. >> i do see at least among law enforcement recognition. right now there's over 100 tocases nationwide. awe other -- aurora set up a task force, that's state, locals and feds. you need the feds because of the international aspect that you're talking about. new york has something similar. need that programmatically across the country the way they did after 9/11, set up these anti-migrant crime teams. david: you're the best. paul mauro, thank you very muchi

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