there's geopolitical risks. i think one of the real issues with this big 50 basis point cut is it's allowing particularly small businesses and some consumers to what i'll say jump over the valley. and what i mean by that is there are at lot of companies, a lot of consumers that bought -- or, excuse me, borrowed money when interest rates were really low. and a lot of that debt was going to expire over the course of this next year. liz: yeah. >> and so they were living a situation where they could do okay as long as they the -- liz: sure, sure. >> -- were going to be able to refinance. liz well, and here we go with lower interest rates and, boy, that has definitely juiced the markets. dow and s&p close at all-time high. tomorrow we've got a couple of -- ♪ ♪ larry: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow. so day after fed chairman jay

powell sent kamala harris a 50 basis point election gift and completely contradicted himself on the economy, whatever, the stock market roared. okay. our own gerri willis on the story. what's cooking? >> reporter: well, stocks are higher. stocks surging today on hopes for a soft landing for the economy after the federal reserve slashed the fed funds rate yesterday 50 basis points. the dow in market action today up 522222 point -- 5222 points, the s&p up 95, the nasdaq up 440. all three major averages hitting all-time highs after the best day for markets since august 5th. the rally also lifting small cap stocks. nearly every sector rising, tech and consumer discretionary, of course, but also the sox index, that's semiconductors or, rising 4.8%. banks and energy higher as well. meanwhile, markets are expecting more gas, fully pricing in a 25

basis point cut when the fed meets in november. 42% of investors say it will be another half-point cut. maybe the other critical number i should member, the 30-year fixed rate mortgage moves to 6.09%, down 11 basis points. back to to you. larry: all right. all good for the kudlow trust. on the other hand, jay powell's 50 dips gift to -- 50 bits gift to the kamala harris isn't a plan. and that's the subject of the riff. larry: no matter how political fed chairman jay powell may be with his 50 basis points election gift to kamala harris, the person who helped the american economy the is most was donald trump during the pre-pandemic first three years of his administration. okay? if new census numbers show real median income growth during mr. trump's pre-pandemic first three years compared to joe biden's overall take-home pay for typical families increased

more than five times as much under mr. trump than under biden. up $66 -- $6,000 under trump versus $1,050 under biden-harris. we're going to break it down among key demographics, all right? mr. trump's income numbers almost 10 times better than biden's. for example, stay with me, coming numbers, it's okay. among whites, real median income increased $8,910 under trump compared to the measly $850 under biden. that's 10 and a half times what mr. biden produced. among asians, income up $14,600 under trump versus a paltry $15000 under biden. about 10 times as much $1500. for his panics -- hispanics,

$6,000 under trump versus $7000 under been 70000 -- 700 under biden. so that one's about a double. this is one reason why mr. trump has been able to put together a working class coalition spanning all racial and ethnic groups. remember, median income, all right? that means all incomes. this captures the middle of the entire population, all right? these are, again, typical working families. and the census numbers are adjusted for inflation. the key takeaway here is how badly these groups have done under biden harris which i have called the affordability crisis. income under biden-harris was low, and on top of that the cost of living price increases were very high, outstripping the

income. and that is why people are worse off under biden-harris, and were much better off under mr. trump k and that is why mr. trump has such a large lead when it comes to the economy. and no amount of year interest rate finagling by jay powell is going to change this. mr. trump's record solidly entrenched in voter minds. powell, meanwhile, keeps telling people how great the biden-harris economy is. but if so, then why has he made this 50 basis point super rate cut, something that's only happened in emergencies like 9/11 or covid or the financial meltdown? i don't get it. perhaps powell is acknowledging, on the other hand, just how bad the biden-harris economy really is with maybe much bigger job losses coming down the road, even higher unemployment. anyway you said i will say this, donald trump has a much --

anyway, i are say this. -- i will say this. here's what mr. trump said last night in long island. >> we are going to grow, grow, grow to start paying down our debt, and we will keep the u.s. dollar as the world's reserve currency. we will deliver low taxes, low regulations, low energy costs, low interest rates, low inflation so that everyone can afford groceries, a car and a home. very simple. [cheers and applause] larry: there he is completely on message. that is a real economic growth plan, not some pony politicized -- phony politicized interest rate cut, all right? and that's the riff for tonight. liz peek, send syndicated columnist and jason tricepper, chairman and ceo of -- trender the. -- jason trennert. jason, i'll start with you. i just think, to me, the the powell thing has to be political because he's telling me on one hand how great the economy. you can read the press release.

the economy's in great shape, and then he goes ahead and slashes 50 basis points which has only happened 3 times in the last 25 years. on the other hand, maybe it's not so great and he's covering up more bad jobs numbers many in which case one has to to assume the biden-harris economy ain't doing so good. or both. >> i kind of think it's a little bit more of the former because even before yesterday, stock prices were near all-time highs, credit spreads are tight, dollar's weakening, gold's higher. none of those things are consistent with a fed that's too tight. and it seems to me that the chances of a second wave of inflation, in our opinion, are quite high because you have 2020 million newcomers into the economy that are putting pressure on housing. you have decarbonization, degloballization, and you have deficits of 7% of gdp as far as the eye can see. so in my p i would be very

careful if i were the fed about doing victory laps about inflation here. liz: larry: but he took a victory lap, liz. cutting rates by -- okay, so stocks loved it on the day after. if we'll see how that whole thing place out. again, either -- you have three options here, okay? either it's a political move to nudge down interest rates for kamala, you know? get some interest rates lore, car loans, credit cards, or the economy's in lousy shape, or it could be both. i don't know, he's caught in a contradiction. >> you're absolutely right. i mean, prior to the meeting, there were a lot of people cautioning against a 50 basis point rise, hike just because of what it would signal about the economy. so what is going on in the labor market? he talked about a solid labor market. is it solid? we have no idea because the jobs numbers that come out every month are radically revised in the following month. he talked about the 89,000 jobs

that were created in july and how he should have moved in august to cut rates. maybe that's true. but was that 89,000 legitimate, or was it to 20,000? or was it a negative number? we just don't know because the revisions have been so incredibly drastic. in this case it seems to me, you had a dissenter, michelle bowma- larry: mickey bow banker yes. >> -- only wanted a 25-point rise, that hasn't happened in 20 years -- already march good for her. >> i think it was good. to your point it's either right that the job market is solid or it isn't. my view is that we have a truly bifurcated economy. wealthy people are doing well, non-wealthy people, low income americans, are not doing well. and there's a real bifurcation, big business is doing well, small businesses are not. and the people who are really concerned about unemployment going through the roof are people looking at the small business business e numbers. larry: that's what these income numbers show, it's very

interesting, the e bifurcation. these are media numbers, so you chop off the highs and the lows, so they're right down the middle. they're doing very poorly during the biden years. i mean, that's all there is to it. the rise in income is low, the rise in prices, the cpi, is high. the combination is devastating and that's why trump wins on the economy against biden, now against harris, whoever else they want to throw in. i don't think people understand that point, and i apologize to our viewers and listeners, but a few numbers not always a bad thing. you can go through it. trust me, you can get through it. we'll put it online, and you can parse through it on your own. jason, you're still worried about inflation, so that's interesting because, basically, the fed took a victory lap on that, patted themself on the -- this is after they blew it for two years, of course, but they've taken a victory lap on that. >> right. we've done work in our shop, we've looked at 30 countries over the last 100 years, and once there's one wave of

inflation over 6%, the chances of getting another wave of inflation over 6% are about 9 in 10. and the reason is baud poem if get poorer during the -- people get peer during the first wave, and so wage pressure still remains well after the first wave of inflation if crests. if you look at boeing, as an example, 96% of the union members rejecting 25% over 4 years, wanting -- that that's not even, 25%, clearly, is not the right number. they want 40. so this is one of the reasons why businesses, it seems to to me, are going to either -- they're probably going to have to continue to increase prices because people have gotten peer, the wages and wage earners are going ton't want to pick up. and i think another wave of inflation is quite likely if the fed is going to pull its can be -- >> well, and that's what the foreign central banks are counting on. that's why the bank of england didn't raise -- didn't cut their rates, right? is and they're not alone. other central banks are saying it's better, let's wait and see. larry: here is trump at a

bitcoin bar yesterday. guy picks the spots very beautifully. bitcoin bars -- the. [laughter] fox tv. anyway, here he is, here's what he's talking about the fed at the bitcoin bar. take a listen. >> reporter: what's your reaction to the fed cutting interest rates today? >> i guess it shows the economy's very bad to cut it by that much. assuming they're not just playing politics. the economy would be very badr to they're plague politics -- bad, or they're plague politics. one or the other. hr. hr. bitcoin bar, gutfeld show, we're saving that for later in the show. i think he's on to the something. i think he's going to be critical of jay fowl, and i think he's -- jay powell, and he's right to be. this kind of shenanigan, you could have waited until the day after the election, the next fed meeting, 25 the bits, i don't think anybody would have said

about it, but 50? for what reason? >> i agree. historically, fed chairs have gone out of their way not to look political. whether it's true or not, to your point, he could have just done 25 the, 25 the through the end of the the year, and i don't think an eyebrow would be raised. larry: jason? >> i was going to say, i think it's interesting that he's at a bitcoin bar, because i can tell you the other side is deathly afraid of both gold and private cryptoto currencies. they want central bank digital current currencies so they can control the money supply. seems to me j.d. vance, i think, is the most pro-crypto congressman in both the senate and the house. that suggests that you're not afraid of the dollar losing it reserve currency because you're going to do things to strengthen the economy. the other side is deathly afraid and want to actually put regulations on crypto and are very uncomfortable with it. to me, that's a very important signal that the president just

made -- larry: good point. >> i it's a very positive thing. larry: also did i see gold is now through $2600 and and holding nicely? which is really a de facto devaluation of the dollar. i know people don't think in those terms anymore, but maybe they should. i know the fed doesn't look at such things, maybe they should. what's that tell you, liz? >> for one thing, the dollar is sinking against absolutely everything including gold because we are lowering rates and nobody else is. that does kind of devalue the dollar right there. i think people actually are vert that a no one has celebrated, and i think that's one of these times in wall street where stocks are going up like crazy everyone and's sort of saying, whoa, this may not be for real and kind of questioning, questioning what is really underpinning it. again, looking at so many is indicators of a slowing economy and now we have powell sort of implicitly implying that or yeag down.

larry: i don't know, jason, you heard trump out on long island, he sounded on message to me. >> absolutely. larry: world's reserve currency, tax cuts, come on, that doesn't get better than the that. that's better than my neigh ifing on the interest rate on the eve of the election. really? how about a real policy, for god sakes? if. >> i'm in. larry: no, wait, tax cuts are bad, spending is good. jay powell has aa come dated the biden-harris spending for nearly four years. >> shame on him, i agree. larry: shame on him. let's put that in the riff. liz's point, shame on him. we might even quote her from this segment. >> i love that. biden came out and said he hadn't talked to powell in four years. we have video of him meeting with jay powell and talking to him a number of times. i don't know what he's talking about. [laughter] larry: he forgot. >> i mean, a really. oh, my gosh. >> harris and biden, they generally tend to view people's income as some sort of dispensation of government

whereas, you know, republicans and donald trump believe it's the your money, and this is the government of, for and by the people -- larry: i'll tell you what, i've got to interrupt you. supposes she wins, okay? it's possible, no question it's possible, you would have higher taxes and easier money. what does that mean? higher taxes and easier money? that means fewer goods and more money which is a classic example. that would with your 1970s repeat of inflation right there if she wins, and lord knows jay powell's trying to do his best to get her over the finish line. we will see. liz peek, jason trennert, thank you, kids, appreciate it very much. coming up next, israel just pulled off one of the greatest counterintelligence operations in recent history. i don't think anybody in hezbollah's going to pick up a cell phone anymore or a walkie-talkie or a pager. me, i don't know, my cell phone's fine, i'm not worried.

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mapping out an entire region -- larry: i know. it's incredible. >> way before those pagers blew up. larry: kash patel, this is really quite a brilliant, i'm calling it a counterintelligence movement i've seen it written up as a counterintelligence movement israel are a pretty clever bunch, i would say. i gotta believe it hurts hezbollah. i gotta believe a lot of the hezbollah leaders were either killed or badly injured. they're all terrorists as far as i'm concerned. i want to to get your take on this because this may cause hezbollah to push back. wait a minute, we're -- we've lost all these -- israel, i mean, this is israel's strength. they're, like, smarter, okay? they're more powerful. they're cleverer, kash. the binds aren't going to give them help, we know that. -- the biden respect going to give them any help. israel's got to do things by themselves. >> you're absolutely right, harris and biden are just going to give them another $7 billion,

but the brilliance of this operation or is they've basically taken the enemy's playbook and shoved it down their throats. they use outdated technology, walk key audiocassette talk key, two-way touch talk and beepers. that's what al-qaeda used in afghanistan to the communicate so they could stay the off our, quote-unquote, radar systems of detection. thes ill lays said we're going to take your antiquated electronics, and here's the scare scary hinge for hamas and iran, hay had to go in there and not just insert this old technology the onto humans, but they had to have an intelligence collection environment spread out around and surrounding hezbollah and iranian mercenary forces for months and months and months to deploy this. so the scary thing for hamas which is great is how did you insert yourself into our environment, get so close, provide us with technology and harden infrastructure and then have it utilized against us? if they have to be shaking in their boots, they have to be

terrified at the fact that the israelis were so brilliant in pulling this off. and i agree with the cohost here, this has been planned for such of a long time, and the israelis don't play one-dimensional chess. this is probably, in my is estimation, part of a one, two, three, four if, five, six, seven-pronged approach that they have mapped out every single consequence -- larry: this is like -- >> -- and i think iran is probably for the first time in this war probably saying they may have us. larry: this is a daniel silva spy novel, okay? if the famous mossad intelligence leader, some call him an assassin. i think i've read every single book. this is something -- and maybe daniel silva put it together, who employees? anyway, i want to go back to aaron cohen. aaron, the other thing i want to talk about for a sec is iran hacking into trump's campaign and getting campaign documents to the biden-harris campaign.

what do you make of that? how big of a threat? is there going to be more of that? do we have protection against that kind of hacking treat? i think the u.s. has the tools, and it's important that this came out because this shows how focused iran is at getting involved and getting their fingers into united states politics. they are a serious net here to the united states. and so glad that came out. and from what i understand, president trump now has presidential-layered security. believe that just came out. so he's going to have the counter-snipers, he's going to have the intel teams. but i want to -- larry: what did you, can i just -- what do you mean presidential, do you mean the secret service has formally given him presidential protection with respect to the secret service? because that's new information to me. >> from what i just read, the security layering for trump has been significantly increased due

to the multiple failures by cheatle, ronald rowe who i think is a bad cop, still part of that dei thing. don't want to get political, but there's a lot of infections in these agency, so i believe he's got much more significant security now, and so it's been taken a lot more seriously. and that'll include the counterintelligence and these threats from iran as well. larry: let me give kash -- there may be a news headline as we are reporting right now, we'll try to track it down, but how serious, i mean, will the trump concern i mean, mr. trump said last summer or in august or july that he was being hacked in by iran. of course, nobody believed him. now it turns out the fbi has said, yes, you were hacked. question is, can they fight it, kash patel? >> here it is, russia, russia, russia has been disproven yet again, and we've been saying iran is coming at us harder and fast, and the intel priorities

from the harris administration has not been to secure this president. it has been very public that the assassin told iran on social media that he wanted trump murdered. it has been public that these cybersecurity operations were occurring, and who did they attack? if the trump campaign, and they sent that material to the harris campaign. and now we're finding out the fbi is burying a report about the lack of security around president trump. and if why is chris wray, the direct every of the fbi, not contacting the actual victim, donald trump, and? they have not prioritized the clerks, and it doesn't matter if trump has, quote-unquote, presidential level secret service detail, the headquarters department in washington has failed him because they intentionally decided not to provide that even though there was a plethora of intelligence online saying donald trump's life was at risk, and iran is going to the continue these measures until they get funding for their -- larry: yes, they will. appeasement never pays. kash patel, thank you very much.

aaron cohen, thank you very much. folks, next up we've got wyoming senator cynthia lummis. she agrees with president trump that america needs to dominate crypto. i agree with that too. anything to stop the federal reserve. anyway, senator lummis will be with us in just a moment. stick around, please. ♪

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larry: all right, mr. trump fully embraced crypto yesterday in new york city. joining us now to the talk about it, wyoming senator cynthia lummis. senator, welcome back to the show. we have some tape, i think, of what mr. trump said at this bitcoin bar or no? we've already played that tape? all right. if we don't have it. anyway, trust me, he came out four square for bitcoin. and you are an advocate of bitcoin as well. tell us about it. i don't know whey anybody -- why

anybody would be opposed to bitcoin or crypto. >> i'm so delighted to see president trump making it an issue during this campaign. the republican convention touted policies that are a favorable towards bitcoin and other digital assets. the president is highlighting it. he showed up at nashville bitcoin 2024 in support of a bitcoin strategic stock the pile. and yesterday, as you said in new york city, he made his first transaction for food with bitcoin. the important thing is many more americans and poem all over the world are -- people all over the world are embracing digital assets and digital technology. it's here to stay, and we want the united states to be the leader in it. we've always been the leader in financial services. and this is sort of the next frontier in financial services. we don't want this industry choosing europe as its home base. and europe has a better

structure for digital asset efforts than we to do. we need to catch up. larry: mr. trump was buying hamburgers for everybody at bar and paying for it in crypto the of some kind, i don't know whether it was crypto or not. he had a walt, quote-unquote, the wallet, and he duds not want the fed and the treasury to have this sort of central a bank digital currency business, which i agree with him would be a very bad idea. so you have a crypto wallet, senator lummis? >> i do. it is currently in a blind trust i was taking some criticism of owning bitcoin while advocating for bet congress. but, yes -- bitcoin. put that wallet in a blind trust, and it's on ice until i'm done being in the united states

senate. larry: which i hope does not happen soon. let me, just slightly different topic, the lng, liquid with natural gas, ban is still in place, exporting ban is still in place. no new installations and projects in place. kamala harris says that she's really not against fracking, but i haven't heard a word about this. and mean tile -- meanwhile, thing big winner is russia. we could be selling it, hurting vladimir putin. you're from an oil and gas producing state. what do you make of that? >> well, kamala harris' policies are actually even hurting the environment because russian lng is dirtier than u.s. lng. we can produceit clearance, more efficiently with american jobs, export it to our friends is they don't have to buy it from hostile regimes.

by having countries buy it from russia, they're using revenue to fight the war in ukraine. so we're working against all of our best interests by not exporting our clean, abundant, affordable liquid natural gas to our friends overseas. larry: i mean, it's hard to believe, just last thought, it's hard to believe that kamala harris has changed her views when we don't see any change in any of these, you know, anti-fossil fuel policies. not one change. which is, in effect, a fracking ban. you can say -- but you look, you know, no public lands, no leasing, in drilling, no alaska, no xl pipeline, no lng exports. i mean, that is a de facto ban on fracking, for heaven sakes, is it not? >>s. it is. no secure border, no keeping fentanyl out of this country, no

keeping human trafficking out of this country, no protecting people from vaccine injuries or accounting for it, not being transparent. larry, that's why nine u.s. senators and i wrote this book. this is called "we do not consent." this book was written, a different chapter, by nine u.s. senates. i did the editing. it's just been put out. it's by people like ted cruz talking about the border, dr. roger marshall talking about our fentanyl crisis, mike lee talking about the ridiculous prosecution of president trump. john cornyn talking about the weaponization of the department of justice. dan sullivan talking about the these ridiculous energy policies that are hurting states like wyoming and alaska. disproportionately. and the list goes on. marsha black talking about our culture wars -- marsha blackburn

talking about our culture wars and how absurd it is the let men play women's sports. this book is available under we do not consent 2024.com. so i hope that your listeners will go check out we do not consent 2024.com. larry: all right. >> nine chapters written by u.s. senators. larry: thank you, senator cynthia lummis. go out and get the book. thank you very much, appreciate it. all right, switching gears just a wee bit, rich lowry, tammy bruce, welcome, kids. gotta go and get that book and memorize it. >> yep. larry: actually, good people writing that book, so it is worth it. so quickly, teamsters, their rank and file 60% of them are for trump. the leadership, tammy, wouldn't go for trump. i think one reason is he wouldn't come out against all the right to work laws, and so that was the leadership issue. but he's going to win the

working folk, that's for sure. >> yes. larry: quick word on that. >> i would say that it also we can add in how the democrats would punish them. so ins -- it's dangerous. it would be dangerous to endorse trump. but what they did instead was release the polling that showed the rank and file. so they had it both ways. okay, we're not going to do it, but knowing that everyone would draw that conclusion, i think that's the heavier conclusion, is that the democrats want to destroy things that do not comply, and it was clear that they normally would have issued an endorsement to trump even though maybe not perfect for them, but certainly perfect for the country and for the working man and woman. so i think that's what happened there. >> yeah. so there's been a big educational division with democrats winning more college-educated people and republicans winning more working class for a long time now. but trump has accelerated this trend. kamala, there was a poll that showed she is performing as

poorly among middle class voters as biden was at the end. everyone was saying bide's-- biden's a disaster, but these working class voters are a disproportionate share of the electorate in all the key swing states. larry: those numbers are starting to show up. trump's numbers are -- i mean, no one wants to broadcast this. trump as a human being out in long island last night at this big rally. i want to play a clip. he delivered a present, a beautiful thing, to this poor young man. i'm not going to say poor, to this young man who's a big trump supporter who has a brain disorder. let's run this, please. >> i'm supposed to be -- [inaudible] but that a doesn't matter because i got you the best present you'll ever have. this is the best present you'll ever have, okay? this is yours. -- the. [inaudible] okay? it is great to talk to you in person, and we're going of to have that picture, okay?

if you and i. are you going to come out and watch me? >> of course. >> because i left the stage in order to come and say hello. larry: there's the wonderful mrw and love. i want to get your take on that in just a second. but here's some more. again, the private mr. trump that not enough people see on greg gutfeld's show last night. we have a brief clip, let's run that too. >> mr. t., how's your golf game? >> well, haven't been thinking about it too much lately. [laughter] i always said golf is a very dangerous game. [laughter] larry: he has a pretty good -- right. good timing, he said good delivery. i'm running these clips, i mean, we could talk endlessly about the teamsters and all the rest, but there's trump, okay? it's a different side of him. those of us who know him well know that side of him. there's a million stories of him helping out people that never hit the press. rich lowry, take a whack at it. >> so i had a friend back in

2016, i didn't know much about trump, and i thought it was someone with cruz maybe, that environment, but he said i can't go against trump. of he had a sick child who had a series of operations, and he said his kid thought that trump was his best friend and his neighbor because he kept on checking n. people miss this about him. he's a realities.comer and a showman d real estate adopt -- developer, but he's also a host. he's extremely gracious when he wants to one-on-one, and i think there should be more small scale interactions. it wasn't as moving as he was with this brave kid, god bless him. when he thanked the sheriff's deputies, those are gate moment- larry: yes. he went to every one of them and shook their hand. >> the rallies are good, but do some small scale stuff to. o. lay:e do have a sense of danger, there was something about using a 3-wood if he'd actually met the would-be

assassin. he's got a good sense of humor. trump, they're calling him every name in the book, dick ato have and all the rest because this is a different side of trump -- >> well, it's overkill, as they say. and i think because they know because they've all known him, for decades they've known trump, and they liked him. he is a nice guy on top of everything else, even when it comes to what he did with the officers that got the attempted assassin. he's behaving as a president. he seems to be the only one now meeting with first responder, meeting with little kids, meeting with the people. yes, it's a campaign, but he enjoys it. bill clinton had that same quality -- larry: right. >> retail politics. bill clinton loved doing it because he liked people. arkansas arkansas how's kamala doing? nonexistent. it's nonexistent. >> but trump is, when we see him, for those of us, briefly, this is who trump is. a fabulous man who cares about individuals which is why he still fights so much, because he

loves the country. it's that simple. larry: rich lowry, tammy bruce with, appreciate it very, very much. coming up next, kamala harris hates trump's deportation the plan, but it turns out polls show voters really love his deportation plan. we have congressman jim jordan to weigh in on that one next up on "kudlow." ♪ progressive makes it easy to see if you can save money with a commercial auto quote online so you can get back to your monster to-do list. super helpful. see if you can save money at progressivecommercial.com. thank you. (♪)

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larry: joining us now, ohio congressman jim jordan, my good friend. thanks for coming on. i just want to get your -- you're, like, the perfect guy. [laughter] kamala harris is out there trashing trump's idea of deporting illegals, particularly criminals. people can -- i know it's criminal to the cross as an illegal, but he's said many times how he wants to start with the criminals. and it turns i out one of these polls shows the majority support mass deportation. 544% support -- 534% -- 54% support. these are numbers that -- i mean, okay. i don't know what her solution is, but what's your take on this? why not go for deportation? >> well, it turns out, larry, when you deliberately,

intentionally do policies that allow 10 million migrants to enter the country, 99 of whom were on the terrorist watch list, when the biden-harris administration does that, turns out the american people don't really like it. especially when it manifests itself like it has in springfield, ohio, or aurora, colorado. 15,000 migrants with this temporary protective status letting people in, 15,000 people in the community of 55,000? aurora, colorado, gang members taking over apartment buildings based on what we've seen in some news accounts? turns out people don't like that, and they know this was deliberately done by this administration. so, of course, americans are going to say let's get the bad guys that president trump talked about, people that have been involved in criminal activity, let's get them out of the country. that's where president trump was to start, i think the country's for it. larry: i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, you're the chairman of the judiciary, there are sections in the immigration and naturalization act that a expressly provide that the local

police can work with the border patrol authorities, okay? penetrate sanctuary cities. and it looks to me like this could be done by executive order. now what do you think about that approach? >> i think when president trump wins, and i think he's going to, think this campaign is so simple, secure border to the no border, safe streets, record crime, $2 gas to $4 gas, i think it's so basic. i think when he wins, he's going to do a number of things that he can do via executive order like the working with mexico and getting the remain in mexico policy, like this issue with people in sanctuary cities, local law enforcement. lots of things he can do to get us back where we had that secure border when he was president just a few years ago. larry: one other thing, chairman jordan. the issue of you've got to be a citizen the vote, i know the house is pushing the save act. i spoke to speaker johnson, i was interviewing him on tuesday

and so forth. i mean, to me, i would bet you majority of americans believe you need to be a citizen before you can vote. >> of course they do. you go to any district in the country, any congressional district, republican or democrat and ask the question do you think in the context of 10 million migrants entering the country in 3 and a half years, do you think in that environment if a new voter is showing up to vote they should have to demonstrate they're a citizen, and every single person will say, well, of course. yes, they should have to do that. but the democrats don't think to so. -- don't think so. 200 of them voted that provision on the funding bill yesterday on the house floor. that, i think, is going to be front and center in 47 days when people decide who the next commander in chief of our great country is going to be. larry: yeah. i think a lot of democrats including one democratic presidential candidate is misjudging the electorate by a wide margin. jim jordan, as always, sir, thank you for helping us. thank you for coming on. folks, i'll be right back with

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