away ultimately as a result of bitcoin. liz: in what form do you advise your group members at r 360 to buy bitcoin, to get a piece of it? >> so we don't advise them anything. we have a group of some of the most sophisticated investors in the world, and that group is of the caliber of a ray dalio, cathie wood, warren buffett, and they are basically telling everybody what they are doing, not advising anyone so they are saying you can buy bitcoin, buy bitcoin etf. do whatever you want but they are doing it and they are all-in. liz: if you want to buy lower than its been, today is the day. barbara, thank you so much. it's great to have you. >> [closing bell ringing] liz: well on this first trading day of october, our starting off in the red but heck, who knows what happens tomorrow. that's why we're here. we'll see you tomorrow. kudlow is next. larry: hello folks welcome to

kudlow i'm larry kudlow. so, israel launching a ground invasion of lebanon and iran is launched another missile attack on israel. we've got senator john barrasso, congressman byron donalds on set. first up mike tobin live on the ground in israel. mike, thank you for this. what's cooking up there? reporter: well i could tell you it's all quiet now but the tension certainly is high as the israeli leadership will try to decide exactly how they will respond to the second direct attack now from iran. the largest ballistic missile attack in history. 100-181 missiles fired for a 12-minute trip from tehran. most of them were intercepted. a few came down. we're checking on reports of injuries right now but continuing to add to the provocation, iran supreme leader ayatollah just sent out a tweet in hebrews so meant for the people of israel and

the tweet reads the blows of the uprising front will become stronger and more painful to the worn and rotting body of the zionist regime. now adding to the tension, there withs an attack from within. in tel aviv at the light rail station near the old city, which is just next to tel aviv, two attackers let loose. one of them at least had m-16 style rifle and now six people are dead. there was a knife involved in that attack as well. both of the attackers were shot. so, things are as tense as they can be. israel is committed to responding to these attacks. it just remains to be seen how exactly they will respond when israel is in the position where they can do as they wish. they are unrestrained, unchallenged in the air over lebanon and they have been in the ground now. we learned yesterday they went in for a brief incursion. we learned today they have been going in the ground of lebanon since november, again unchallenged by the otherwise

feared forces of hezbollah. larry? larry: mike i'm not supposed to ask any questions because of time constraints, but i did want to ask you. what are the americans going to do? do we have any sense of what the united states government is going to do? >> well, there's a lot of briefings. we know the us was involved in this. some 12 missile interceptors were fired for some of the ships here in the region. we know the us is bolstering the personnel by some 200 or 2,000 troops. they aren't necessarily troops on the ground. in fact there won't be troops on the ground. what they will do is supplement the fighter squadrons already in the region. larry? larry: thanks very much mike tobin we appreciate it. please be safe. so israel is defending itself. but it's also saving western civilization and that is the subject of the rif. if you haven't already read gerry baker's opinion piece in today's "wall street journal" please go immediately to your computer or whatever you use to

pursue information and read it. the title is "israel defends itself, and may save western civilization" and an old friend and used to go back and forth many many year ago on our show on sundays and a former editor in chief of the "wall street journal" and he wrote a truth-telling article. all i can do is quote a few lines, express my complete support and hope that those of you who haven't read it will go out and read it asap. how will we ever repay the debt we owe israel, he asks and goes on to say, what the jewish state has done in the past year, will rank among the most important contributions to the defense of western civilization in the past three quarters of a century. he talks about how it is still possible that our western system of tree markets and free people with defeat evils like hezbollah, hamas, and iran. in my final word in last night's show i talked about how some

day, people will thank israel for protecting freedom and democracy. and gerry baker tries to restrain israel and extends his spanking to europe and i'm sure you would agree with me that the u.n. should be spanked as well. but what israel has done in the past week taking out the hezbollah murder hassan nassrallah and other commanders is nothing short of a miracle but if it's a miracle it's a counter terrorist technological miracle. they took out a hamas commander in the middle of tehran. they've taken out countless hamas killers in gaza. really it's what israel has done in the past year, following the barbaric murder of 1,200 men, women, children, elderly, peacefully gathered people, from israel, from israeli states, and people from dozens of other countries peacefully attending a music festival, murdered by hamas terrorist thugs.

but israel has snapped back from that and is taking the fight to their enemies, who happen to be our enemies, even if the current administration does not always realize that. speaking for myself, israel has managed to overcome the appeasement, so-called deus calegislation policies of the current administration that is constantly preaching cease-fire to israel, when in fact, hamas and hezbollah have never agreed to a real cease-fire much less one that returns hostages alive. it is as though mr. biden has a one-sided cease-fire definition. israel stop defending itself. well what about the other side? how about let israel be israel? let the idf be the idf. they're winning the war. let them keep winning it. that's why we owe them such an enormous debt of thanks, and that's why sunday, the world

will thank israel for standing up to evil and saving western civilization. now as befitting his british heritage, gerard baker quotes winston churchill. never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few. let us hope politicians and statesmen around the world rea n the "wall street journal" as soon as possible. and that's the rif. all right joining me now to talk about all of this , great stuff here, on set, wyoming senator john barrasso, florida house member byron donalds. gentlemen, thank you ever so much for coming on. we appreciate it. senator, first of all, gary baker's column i don't think anybody could have said it better. >> well you're absolutely right. we need to make sure israel has everything they need. not just to defend themselves but to defeat their enemy, and in the big picture, larry, what

we know is the world is a lot more dangerous now under biden-harris than it was when you were working in the white house with president trump. president trump in terms of iran had a full pressure component. now what we have is full appeasement by the democrats. and what we have seen happen with these guys in the office is $100 billion because of relief that went to iran. oil in china, money back to iran. this is why iran wants kamala harris to get elected. because they know it'll be easier for them and that's what we've had briefings on this in the senate and what we see is iran is doing what they can to influence the election in the united states to help harris and to hurt president trump. larry: they hacked into trump. >> they have. larry: and sent it over to some campaign staffers. more is probably coming. iran kind of said that haven't they? >> they have. they actually want president trump dead. israel is our greatest allie in

that part of the world. we need to do everything we can to help them and make sure they are able to go actively aggressively against iran. larry: byron, the senator's point former secretary of state mike pompeo, on this set sitting right there where the senator is said he had no doubt in his mind iran would like to assassinate trump on the campaign trail. so, what you're saying not farfetched. i want to put something on the full screen and get your response to it. this is the white house talking about the iranian attacks that occurred today. they said we are actively supporting defensive preparations to defend israel against this attack. now, here is the money line. a direct military attack, from iran, against israel, will carry severe consequences for iran. that's from a senior white house official. okay? so, there's been a direct attack. we would agree on that. what consequences are going to happen? so far eye not heard any.

>> to be honest with you larry, i don't know. i would say the american people do not know and i would shutter to think that benjamin netanyahu and the military council in israel, they do novot know. what has brought us to the point is the weakness from joe biden and kamala harris. it's the moral relativism between israel's response to the heinous attacks on october 7 and because this administration has not clearly stated that they stand behind israel no matter what, it has allowed these constant attacks to precipitate in the middle east. contrast where we are today to where we were four years ago, four and a half years ago, when the thing that republicans democrats, independents, all wanted peace in the middle east was actually occurring under donald j. trump. now fast forward four years, because of weakness on the world stage, the middle east is on fire, and the only way you're going to put this fire out is to stand solely behind israel and make sure they have everything

they need to finish the job of securing the nation of israel. larry: you know, senator, just building on what byron is saying. i would say strike while the iron is hot. in other words, what israel has just done, just done, they basically have taken out the whole leadership of hezbollah. they had already taken out basically the whole leadership of hamas . just let them go. don't restrain them. let israel be israel. let the idf be the idf. they are winning the wars, let them continue to win the wars and in fact, it's time for some kind of movement or crush iran. iran is crippled. iran has to worry about this. their assets are getting killed in the battlefield, literally, which is a great thing for civilized countries. now don't stop israel. let them go, or better yet, help them. do something. if you carry out an attack, iran

counter attack against israel, severe consequences, we've not once seen the administration take severe consequences against iran. not once. >> not this administration. larry, look. iran right now is very vulnerable. they are threatened and they should feel threatened and they are. hezbollah generations of leadership has been wiped out. weaponry wiped out. hamas devastated by what has happened to them. all by israel, being very very successful. so iran does its attack today. i don't know if they try to escalator just go back and hide. either way israel should be on the move. we have opportunities. we need to make sure that israel has abilities not just to defend themselves but to go and prosecute those who are trying to kill them. larry: your on the foreign relations committee. i know you're an energy specialist and of course that plays into it because we lifted the energy sanction. >> $100 billion. larry: that's the key part of it that was an enormous mistake. but i want to ask is there

bipartisan, let me just, first of all, anything across the aisle. are there democrats supporting israel, what israel is doing. now i think i know a few. i don't know if they are on your committee and so what might come out of that? >> i think things could come out of that successfully. there are democrats supporting israel. but the left wing of the democrat party is the pro-hamas wing, and that's the tail that's wagging the dog of the democrat party and you're seeing that prosecuted tonight i think by jd vance at the debate where he makes the fundamental case of why we need donald trump back in the white house and it's israel and what our standing is in the world, the aggressive nature of our enemies but also the cost of things, the open border, our weakness abroad, all of those things, why think he's going to make the case tonight about why america's much better off if we want to get back on track we need donald trump because only one in four americans today, larry, say that our country is headed in the right direction. this can't continue. we can't continue this way for our nation. larry: byron some advice

for j.d. vance? i mean, actually feel free to give advice for governor walz also but i have a sense you'd prefer to give it to vance. >> oh, no i'm not going to give governor walz any advice and this is piggyback off senator barrasso, there are democrats in the house standing by israel. the problem is the democrat leadership does not and the democrat leadership in the house and i would argue probably in the senate as well definitely in the white house, they are playing this dance of how much do they want to support israel, are they going to lose votes in the election, so they are playing politics with global affairs that could lead us into world war iii. it's a very dangerous place so my advice for senator vance tonight is to explain that very clearly to the american people, that democrat leadership, kamala harris included, they do not want to actually stand firm for israel because they are more concerned about their votes in michigan and minnesota. that is not the level of presidential leadership we need right now. you have to be firm in the face

of your adversaries, just like donald j. trump has been and when that happens, what we've seen is peace actually comes to the world, which is what doll and j. trump wants, what j.d. vance wants, what the we all want. larry: we don't have peace right now or strength right now, by the way we're cutting the military budget way, way too far, had senator wicker on last night on the show. >> and the interest on the debt right now is greater than what biden put up on his budget for the military. larry: i'd like to see j.d. vance take this statement and ask mr. walz, governor walz and his runningmate, what exactly they are going to do. a direct military attack from iran against israel, will carry severe consequences for iran. where is it? >> i hope they can get answers, larry. but they don't answer questions. larry: something they never seem to do that. they tell israel to go into a cease-fire. every single time. this is not cease-fire.

hamas doesn't agree to the cease-fire. hezbollah doesn't agree to the cease-fire. iran doesn't agree. i'll knock the coffee cup in a minute i get so excited. i just don't understand it. i don't like to cost disbursions but i just don't understand it. >> this administration projects weakness everyday. we need a strong president and a strong presence by the united states all around the world. donald trump will deliver that. larry: we need a strong america. we must return to a strong america. i was a reagan kid years ago and then i worked for trump. we must be a strong america and if israel is going to be the tip of that then god bless them, let them do it. all right senator. >> jon: senator john barrasso, and byron donalds. coming up folks do long shore man deserve to make a buck and you can catch kudlow monday through friday at 4:00 p.m. on

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larry: the long shore men have struck, our own grady trimble live in baltimore. what you got? reporter: here they are, larry. the 2,400 members of the international longshoreman's association on strike at this particular port, but 45,000 of them striking at about three dozen ports from texas all the way up to maine and you can see the results of the strike from where we're standing, because that is the port of baltimore right there. the workers tell me those are the cranes they would normally be operating and taking containers off ships and putting them on and as you can see those cranes are static right now, not doing a whole lot and what that means for you and me, larry, is that we could potentially see some shortages and price hikes at stores if this strike tin continues and for that reason there are a whole lost of independent groups representing retailers.

wholesalers and manufactures calling on the biden biden-harrs administration and they want to force the workers back on-the-job while negotiations continue. take a listen to an industry group president who represents hell sailewholesalers. >> it sounds like they don't want to make their friends in big labor unhappy but in the meantime the rest of america is going to be unhappy as we're going to see unprecedented supply chain disruptions. reporter: yeah, that is potentially the case, if this strike lasts for a long time. as far as the cost of this strike, by some estimates it's up to $5 billion every single day that it lasts. on the more conservative, the lower-end, some economists are saying around $2.1 billion for the first week, but it could get worse after that, because the longer these guys are out here picketing, that means the supply chains are drying up

and the goods that we already have gotten off the ships, they have been distributed and now what happens to all of the ships waiting to be unloaded and loaded? so larry, this could become a big problem if it continues and if the president doesn't step in. larry: grady i just want to ask you one question, i don't want to belabor the point, do you know how much money us amex made between 2020 and 2023 call it covid and post-covid. do you know how much money their profits were? reporter: i don't know that off the top of my head. i know how much the union president, harold daggot makes and that's more than 700,000 dollars a year so he's facing some criticism for that. larry: yeah so the us mx profits were, wait for it. $400 billion. that is more than they made going all the way back to

1957 just saying. just saying. reporter: do you think they can share it? larry: well that's part of the discussion now won't it? grady trimble thank you ever so much. let's bring in a very good friend, my former colleague, eugene scalia, a former labor secretary and he's been through this before. so gene, what's your early prognostication. i know there's always a certain dance that goes on. tell us how the dancers are going to dance. >> well, larry, it's good to join you, and this is important. this is a coast-wide dispute we call it, as you heard, ports from houston all the way up to maine are shutdown. there are only two labor unions in the country representing long shore men essentially, one in the west coast, and they can take all the ports down, and then here on the east coast. and yeah, back in 2002, on the west coast, we actually had the port rate operators lock out

the long shore men in 2002 under president george w. bush. he had to decide whether he was going to use that emergency power to step in, ask a court to join the lockout, put everybody back to work. back then, we waited i think about nine, 10 days, for the injunction but there were decisions we had to make almost immediately and i think those are the kinds of decisions that the biden administration is going to need to be focusing on really this week. certainly they will hope the parties work things out, but there's a risk they don't, and as you heard, if this goes on more than a week, or week and a half, it starts to get very difficult for the rest of the country. larry: so if the economic consequences get bad enough, and it's funny. today there's some reports out for example, the ism manufacturing was down again. nothing has been falling for two years. we haven't created a new manufacturing job in about two

years and other parts of the economy look pretty soft. the fed is cutting interest rates, blah blah blah. so your point is if the economic pressures get great enough the two sides could come together, is that your experience? >> well, first of all it's really important to remember that economic pressure is often what solves strikes, right? it's the pressure on the company, the pressure the workers are feeling. it brings them to the table and gets things done and that's why sometimes, presidents initially are reluctant to step in and that's why president bush was reluctant to step in, but the problem is that unlike most labor disputes, where it's between the company and the workers and not everybody else is feeling it all that much, when you shut the ports down, after a week, two weeks, the whole country feels it. there's a national impact. that's what authorizes the president to go in under the taft-hartley act and there's very very few president whose have not sought to

injoin these strikes on the ports if they carry on for delong. democrats and republicans going all the way back to harry truman stepped in during ports disputes to reopen the ports. larry: i don't want to make this a strictly numbers exercise but it is interesting. i've been boning up on some of this stuff. regarding the union, the ila, their first offer, no, the management's first offer, 50% wage hike over six years, now there are bells and whistles. that would have been an 8%, 8.3% per year, that's 50% over six years and the ila countered and they want 77% over six years and that be almost 13% increase per-year for their wages, which is a lot, okay? and it's undoubtedly too much and it's undoubtedly they will settle for something less. but i do want to say this , gene. i mean, inflation over the last three and a half years plus has

gone up 20%. consumer price index has gone up 20%, so to some extent i can't blame them all together. they have to make a buck too. real wages over this period have actually fallen. they like them to rise. annualized cpi under biden-harris 5.6% at an annual rate over three and a half years. here is my point. once you let the inflation genie out of the bottle it's tough to get it back in. all right? the federal reserve has to raise rates astronomically which is what they've done, eventually it harms the economy. so far that hasn't happened terribly much but the affordability problem which is what these workers want, so i'm just saying, yeah, 77% increase over six years, 12.8% a year looks too much to me. 8% looks better. but then again, the owner operators made $400 billion in the last three-years. i don't know there's

profit-sharing. you see i'm trying to be balanced. it's a rare moment, kudlow balance, but you know, the working folks, gene, you were the labor secretary. working folks have suffered enormously under this administration. i know that sounds like an election year, maybe it is. sure it is, but i'm not making that point all right? i'm not doing it. i'm just saying look at the numbers. the union has a gripe. whether it's big enough for this i don't know but they have a gripe. what do you think on that? don't you think they got something to stand on here. >> well, you know, there's been a lot of talk over increased union activity more strikes, remember the uaw strike the president got on the picket line which a president had never done before, just a year ago. why had there been more strikes over the last few years? i do think that inflation has been one. here is a really interesting fact. i was reading up on some of the earlier port strikes to come talk to you today, larry and the last time we had presidents

having to use these national emergency injunctions a lot when there were really a lot of serious nationwide strikes, was during the period of 72, 74, 75 right after the wage and price controls were lifted so you had a period of serious inflation, cap was lifted, more inflation and you ended up with a lot of strikes so i do think that this is a difficult moment for the president and for the vice president but there may well be a case to be made that it's partly result of the inflation that i attribute and parts o of of their policied you do as well. larry: they are probably asking too much. wall street is ganging up on them and businesses, i understand everybody is playing their role but to put a little bit of balance into the story, i understand, you know, i feel their pain. i really do. anyway, gene scalia terrific stuff, great to see you former labor secretary and great friend. appreciate you coming on

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the funding, but they admit. the white house officials at the highest levels, it's not like they can just snap their fingers and get the power turned back on or make the cell phones work. here is president biden just a few minutes ago. >> my top priority is insure the communities devastated by this hurricane get the help and support they need as quickly as possible. as quickly as possible. it's going to cost billions of dollars to restore these areas to where they were before. until the work is done we're going to stay. i'm going to as i said congress needs to make sure that states have every available resource and we have an obligation. reporter: and tomorrow, president biden is going to head to north carolina and south carolina. the vice president will be in georgia. they are trying to fan out to cover as many of the six affected states as possible. that is how they are going to do it. they say harris is going to western north carolina and at some point over the weekend but there's a big, big problem that

lies ahead that is not on anybody's radar during the search and rescue phase of this but the tiny town of spruce pine, north carolina is where the world's purest quartz sand is mined. that is a critical ingredient, critical component of semiconductors and if people who live in the community remain isolated, cannot get back to work and cannot get these mines back online, then prices could go up and semiconductor production in this country which has been a huge priority for the biden administration since the beginning could be slowed at a terrible time for them right before the election. larry: 100% peter, phones, cell phones, computers, a.i., you name it. everything. everything, just one little town, great. great reporting we appreciate it, peter doocy, thank you ever so much. folks for more on this and the debate tonight, let's bring in alabama senator tommy tuberville. senator, are they getting it done, fema, and pete buttigieg

and mr. biden and mr. harris. people are in trouble in georgia. they are in trouble in carolina. they may be in trouble in tennessee i don't know everything there is to know. so far nobody has been down there. our peter doocy said they tonied up emergency money of 1.4 million. doesn't sound fabulous what do you think? >> i don't nowhere the money is at. they found money to send ukraine and all over the world but the people in the eastern part of the country they need helpmen.all you have to do is lt the videos it's absolutely horrible. we're going on six days and where is biden-harris been? president trump has been on the ground raising money, doing everything he can possibly do. this is multi multi-billion dollar damage. i heard peter doocy just talk about the quartz and that's a huge problem. another problem is this is right in the middle of harvest season for farmers and especially on the east coast with cotton, soybeans, peanuts, larry they

are in trouble. they were in trouble before this because of all of the input costs and the prices that are going down, but a lot of people in trouble. this is going to take years to get back on the ground. we have zero leadership in this white house. you don't know whether what either one of these people are going to do in terms of biden and harris, but it looked like they are at least going to go but there are more worried about getting elect and keeping power than helping the people of this country. larry: do you think this is coming up in the debate tonight, j.d. vance versus tim walz? sorry. >> i don't think there's any doubt. hopefully they bring it up. we don't know the moderators how they handle this , but the problem they are going to have is if i was drafting somebody to debate from the senate, that i know the people it be j.d. vance, ted cruz or like lee. j.d. vance is really good, and he's going to have to bring out some things that weren't brought in the other one like men playing in women' sports as you said all about the farmers going

broke, all over the country. we're spending $80,000 a second, you know. this country is in so bad shape that j.d. vance is not going to have any problem of just picking one or two things to bring up but this clown, walz, i don't know the direction he's going to go because he's never done this before. he's been a governor. he should be well-versed, but i'll tell you what. i got my money on j.d. vance, because he's been going in harms way, in the last 70 days, cnn, msnbc, all of the meet the press. he's done a great job of doing all that. walz has not done that. neither he nor harris have gone into harms way and i'm looking forward to listening to j.d. vance bring these things up and see how walz reacts. larry: j.d. vance will go into the lion's den no question about that. i'm hoping he ties everything to the economy. the economy is a big leader i was looking at polls today. senator, the economy is, you

know, bigger than immigration, it's bigger than abortion. it's bigger than anything and it should be a referendum on bidenomics where ms. harris, joe biden has said. ms. harris was by his side the whole three and a half, four years. it should be a referendum on that if j.d. vance can pull it off. >> you're exactly right and larry, you remember this now we're paying $3 billion a day on the interest on the $35 trillion that we owe, but i'm going to tell you something. i've been all over the country. everybody is talking about the economy, but the n number oe thing people is bringing up is they say coach is my vote going to count. they are so worried about the shenanigans going on again in this election and if they do, people are going to recognize that this time. last time they were caught off guard but this time, people are ready for it and i just hope people across the country understand what we're getting ready to go into in this election. larry: just one a little bit off the beat but actually it's on the beat.

i want this administration, before they are out, let israel be israel. let the idf be the idf. they have done marvelous things. let them do it. i want to hear the bidens let them do it. quit talking cease-fire. last word senator tuberville. >> well get out of the way. you know it's amazing to me how the biden and harris administration knows whenever iran is coming into israel. it looks like war games. obviously it's not for israel. they are having to knock all these missiles down but we all knew they were coming. april 14 and today, iran, the white house, already told the white house they were coming in, ready to go and you know, but the white house has allowed them to do this larry because they have given them billions of dollars because of taking off the sanctions that president trump had on iran when he left office. larry: thank you senator tuberville we appreciate your wisdom and folks please remember tune in into our special coverage of tonight's vice presidential debate right here

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included, for only $15 a month. larry: all right how does j.d. vance win the vice presidential debate with tim walz? if he does win. joining us now is rich lowry editor in chief national review, mark simone hall of fame wor radio host joe concha, fox news contributor author of "progressively worse" joe concha start us off. how does he win? how does j.d. vance win? >> he plays chess instead of checkers. he anticipates the lies we'll hear from tim walz tonight as we did with kamala harris during that abc debate. she said trump wants a federal ban on abortion for example. that's going to be batted back and trump wanted to ban ivf and the trump tax cuts only benefit the rich they did not. vance has to be ready or bring up that donald trump is preparing a blood bath if he doesn't win. when he was talking about the auto industry. clearly, so tim walz is going to try to make this a referendum on donald trump. all j.d. vance has to do is

stick to the issues in terms of the economy, ask tim walz hey do you really support taxing unrealized capital gains for example? do you really support price fixing? you once said you wanted to buy a ladder company so you could get over donald trump's wall. he said that on cnn. there were a thousand things you could throw back at tim walz and here is the thing. it's like boxing. j.d. vance has done multiple press conferences, dozens of interviews, and tim walz has been protected from the media and not taken one tough question, and that'll be exposed tonight. larry: rich does j.d. vance succeed in tim walz to harris but also joe biden? >> yes, any hint your making against walz has to go back to biden or harris or one of the larger themes of the campaign and i for the same reason that joe outlines i'm bullish about jd. he's such an effective spokesman. nothing comes up tonight he

hasn't already been asked multiple times but my fear is that j.d. vance wins the debate on the merits and the media declares tim walz the winner anyway. larry: mark simone? how would you advise him go ahead. >> he knows what he is doing. he is the king of swatting away these stupid questions about the cat ladies or eating dogs and he will say, you going to talk about rhetoric or get to poll topolicy. larry: will he go after the moderators if they moderate with a bias? >> yes, he's great at that and he's been doing these totally corrupt sunday shows, all of them. so he's got a lot of practice doing that and as we speak, it's getting worse for walz. he's got to defend a port strike and defend all things breaking out in israel, and vance can tie harris to biden. she's go the to admit she was part of that or she's saying she had a no-show job for four years. >> the moderated or s will be

bias but they aren't fact checking in realtime which is one of the factors that made that abc debate such a debacle. larry: does this debate move the meter at all? >> you know to be honest what we've had in the last 40 years of vice presidential debates we had three memorable moments and one was a fly landing on mike pence's head so you're just looking for a favorable news cycle or two but that could matter. larry: i still yen for the sarah palin debate. does this matter? >> i believe it does because i look at the audience it's 60 million people because in 2020 that's the number of people that watched pence and harris and this is the last big moment of this campaign in terms of having two candidates on each ticket going against each other. there's not going to be any more debates. trump will be the al smith dinner so this is the last impression harris and tim walz have to make because 30% of voters say i need to learn more so if you are j.d. vance you do

the fact checking, right? larry: the race is so close, or it seems to be so close. poll after poll after poll. it may or may not come down to pennsylvania but it's just very close race. that's why i'm thinking politically, for a debate this one may have a bit more meaning than your normal run of the mill who care vip debate. >> first of all, there's some trump supporters that weren't sure about vance. so he will win them over tonight and see why trump chose him. also, there's stuff that wasn't really prosecuted in that first debate like the riots, that whole summer of riots where people like walz did nothing about it. he will have to answer for that tonight. >> i want to hear him answer, why did you go to china more than 30 times? larry: what is it about this china? i mean, is there a corruption? or just like chinese? did he bring business to minnesota? i mean he's been there a lot. i think he's been there more

than hunter biden's been there. >> [laughter] larry: i keep asking why. why was he there. minnesota, i mean, i don't see a connection. >> this isn't going to arby's this is like a 24 hour flight. you have to do it 30 times? what are you going there for or business conducting as the midwest governor? that's a very very good question and now james comer will be opening the investigation into this. larry: mark simone i can't help. we've just got a little bit left. eric adams, i want to say, he deserves his day in court. what's more the more i read about the charges against him, couple of first class tickets in the airplane, it doesn't move me. it doesn't move me at all. i think they are coming after him because he criticized the administration. >> well he deserves his day in court. he will get a couple hundred of them coming up. >> [laughter] >> i think what it is, at least menendez gold bars, hundreds of thousands -- larry: that was real assets. he gets a plain ticket. >> that's a show even under

biden. larry: just to get him going. >> he should have started a foundation. larry: now you want a foundation. i'll be right back with my last word.

larry: let israel be israel, that's all i want to say. they'll save the west. they'll save freedom and democracy. they'll save israel and the united states and free people everywhere. just let israel be israel. and liz macdonald coming up next. hi, lizzie. elizabeth: good to see