three months so you see a bit of a rotation in the markets already and we any that can continue to a soft landing assume the fed continues cutting. liz: the short-term drama happening with the markets, the volatility index had spiked above 20 yesterday. then it went, it calmed down, was up about 16% and then 10%. today, it was then back up but it has now reversed so we're all over the map here. >> october is not a great month for the markets based on history, and i'll give you one big guess as to why. the election. liz: the election of course. >> it's all about the election and look i don't care which side you're on the market hates uncertainty. >> [closing bell ringing] liz: everybody better get used to uncertainty because that is the way of life. great to have you thank you for joining us. dow up 4 out of the five sessions, if the s&p holds on to gains it'll be two out of the last three. stay tuned. larry: hello folks welcome to

kudlow i'm larry kudlow. well, we have an all-star lineup ahead to weigh in on last nights vp debate including house majority leader steve scalise, a very own vivek ramaswamy and more, but first up, with grace, style, and relentless messaging, j.d. vance clobbered tim walz in last night's vice presidential debate and that's the subject of the rif. so, as i said, j.d. vance clobbered governor tim walz last night, in the vice presidential debate. mr. vance had grace, style, humility, relentless messaging, even a religious grounding, and he showed how to make crucial policy issues easy to understand for the average viewer. vance was so good, that i think it's quite possible he moved the needle for the trump team. now, maybe that's unusual for a vice presidential debate but i suspect vance's clarity and

repetition just might do it. with 34 days to go before the election, it's clear the economy and the borderless illegal immigration problem, are the two issues that will decide this election, so, think about this. mr. vance on 11 separate occasions during the debate talked about high take home pay and low inflation during the trump years. 11 times. take home pay. that was ronald reagan's easy to understand phrase aimed at average working class families, what real money is left in your wallet or pocketbook, after taxes, and inflation. everybody gets it. vance said this key point, 11 times. take a listen to one of them. >> i think you've got a tough job here, because you've got to play whack-a-mole and which of course, he did, you've got to pretend donald trump didn't deliver lower inflation which of

course he did, and then you simultaneously attend the atrocious economic record which made gas, housing unaffordable for an american citizen and get back to america that's affordable, just got to get back to common sense economic principles. larry: wow, that's all i'll say. simplicity is the most elegant form of messaging, and repetition is crucial in politics. meanwhile, governor tim walz, tying himself up in knots, desperately trying to remember all of the things his team crammed into his head. much of the time he fell back on a lot of meaningless word salads, and even the abortion law from his own state. there's a new minnesota law that allows abortion at any stage in pregnancy, if a doctor approves. j.d. vance actually tried to help mr. walz to understand his own state's law but it didn't work. but there's more. vance reminded people of

the biden-harris affordability crisis. everyone has suffered because consumer prices have risen much faster than typical working class wages during the biden-harris term. now, during the trump years real average weekly wages were up 9%. during the harris years real average weekly wages fell over 4%. under mr. trump median family income rose roughly $6,000, nearly five times the 1,300 gain under mr. biden. that's the affordability crisis, and people know it. personal borrowing costs by the way, mortgages, cars, credit cards, all of those rates skyrocketed even though they aren't even part of the cpi. this is a huge kitchen table issue. affordability, a crisis, and vance mentioned this six times during the debate. now, every time tim walz started throwing out some complicated

big government spending plan, j.d. vance would gracefully acknowledge there might be something good some place in one of those plans, but they had over three and a half years to do it. that was vance's real message. why didn't they do it? including immigration. vance mentioned illegal immigration 15 times. walz say ported a senate bill that would have allowed millions of illegals, millions, to continue to come over the border. illegal immigration and crime. nothing hard to understand there. vance made it easy and he was polite and he occasionally agreed on something with governor walz but he would remind that day one of any harris idea was 1,400 days ago. and this went along with the seven times he mentioned three and a half years. all this is so effective. just a few key points repeated a

number of times, with good humor, and friendliness, and anyone could see that mr. vance is a very smart young man. who knows a lot about all kinds of policies as he ran circles around governor walz. take a listen to mr. vance's closing statement. >> we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world, but they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in washington. they're not going to be able to live their american dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years. larry: pretty good i'd say. pretty good. for those of us who watched the debate, i'm pretty sure, we saw presidential timber and that's the rif. now, we got history right here on this set. i'm talking history, all right? not just guests. history. joining me now is house majority

leader steve scalise of louisiana and harris faulkner, co-host of "out numbered" and this is a duo that has never happened before and no one is going to think about this ever again except me. thank you for coming both of you. >> thank you. larry: i laid out some opinions of my own messaging repetition, grace, friendliness, anyway. what did you think about all of this? >> well the first thing that came to mind was just the way that he was so prepared to be the person that he is. you know, he got defined by the left pretty early on. he had made some stumbles. i talked with the former president about this , in one of our interviews and what we saw last night was growth, transparency. he may not have been fact checked but he was willing to fact check when it was needed, right? but he was fact checked by a crew that didn't do it evenly, and he didn't take the bait on

that. so that, to me, just shows someone who knows who they are and in that moment, you called it presidential timber. i just call itself-awareness and knowing the audience and the audience right now is hurting. the audience right now is understanding when he doesn't say, i grew up in a middle class whatever. he says i was in a working family. they had to work extra, extra, extra hard just for the basics. that's kind of different than the class warfare that we see sometimes politically, but sitting next to congressman scalise was like a master class, because you were watching the clips and you were nodding and i've seen you do some of those same things. that friendliness, and i'm not just saying this because you're here and we're making history, according to larry kudlow. >> i like the history by the way. it's a great ticket larry. larry: there is no finer person in washington than steve scalise and i've known him many years, served with him sometimes in the government, after what he has been through -- >> amen. larry: fighting off tough

medical problems and they took a shot at him at a baseball game, and without anything he shows up. i saw him in a wheelchair, yeah, so what, coming through the roosevelt room on a meeting with trump. >> thank you. >> and that's seasoning and experience and what we saw last night with all those year difference and now i'd call him a very young man because i'm older too, it just seemed like he was in his own skin and really feeling it. larry: he really was. steve, the other thing is on these crucial policies, one of the things i learned from reagan a long time ago when i worked for him. don't talk about eight, 10, or 15 policies. figure out three policies, four max and then keep talking about them. i mean, to some extent i say this tongue and cheek but i think i actually mean it. politics is a lot like religion. there's a certain amount of repetition involved so you become a believer, okay somewhat did he do last night, on all these key issues, take home pay

and low inflation, 11 times. affordability crisis 11 times. you should have done this three and a half years ago, seven times. i mean, that's pretty good i think. >> yeah, larry, and by the way great to be with both of you, and harris, and appreciate the kind words and if you think about last night, you know, for j. d. especially, for millions of people watching, this was their first real time seeing and the most important thing that came out of last night was that their first impression of him, okay, they might have seen things on the news and things from the left and that foolishness and then you watched a man incredibly focused and disciplined, talking about issues that people really care about, in a very calm way and very polite way, but smart and then he got to blend in his life story. he did all of those things in essence giving an introduction that he gave at the convention, he did a great job at the convention on his wednesday night speech, but there were millions of people that didn't watch that speech that did watch

the debate last night, and i think the contrast between him and walz was very different. walz was very unhinged even questions he should have been prepared for , you know the tienemen square story that he made up that wasn't true. he should have been ready for that. maybe he just figured the left won't ask him any tough questions, only ask j. d., but they asked him a question he wasn't prepared for and he didn't give an explanation and then you go to j. d., every question he would bring it right back to the things people care about. the three top issues, the border, higher costs at the grocery store, higher energy costs. what is hurting families is what he talked about and talked about it from his back story as somebody who grew up in poverty and lived the american dream and wants other people -- larry: actually i should have put in your point about blending in his life story because he came up from a very poor background. we've got some sound. let's play, let's see. the american dream opening, we have that because i think in

there, you've got some of his life story take a listen to this. let's roll some tape. >> i know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the american dream is unattainable. i want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the white house, if we get donald trump back in the white house, the american dream is going to be attainable once again. larry: now, i love that. that is pure optimism right at the start. he also, to steve's point, before that, we didn't put it in the tape. talked about his humble beginnings, but that's optimism. the american dream. the other day unfortunately kamala harris said the american dream is not attainable. she said that on the msnbc interview, i think it was there. anyhow he's saying the american dream is there but we'll have to change horses and i think that's very important point, harris. >> he did something similar that really worked well for him. he got crisper on that message. what little they did on the economy by the way. they didn't get into it right away and that's the number one

thing on the list, second is immigration and you kind of go from there. the border kind of, you know, kind of goes from second-to-third depending on what's rocking right now but the economy stays atop, and he was crisp on that message about some of the things he and the former president would do, and he talked about paying for things which is something kamala harris has really struggled with. you want to give people $25,000 to buy a house. that drives up the cost of the house. how can they afford the insurance? and then the inflation doesn't mean the prices go down when the number of inflation rate comes down. it means they stay where they are and they just rise slower, so the reset that everybody is so thirsty for is not going to happen. we're not going back to what they were in 2020, that's not going to happen. you and i have talked about that. that's the affordability crisis you talk about. i also think that j.d. vance got crisper on the issue of abortion and that was something i thought wow, are they republicans going to be ready for that because that's kind of a got you point with the left because that's one

of their main messages. it's not the top three things with american voters but it's where they know they can win with kamala harris. he got crisper and you know what the difference is both on the economy and abortion from what i could witness last night? he's out, seeing american people, listening, doing the things tim walz really was the doing. he's getting pressed in the interviews. every single interview asks him about what he said in the past. he's getting sharper. larry: he had to explain the minnesota abortion law. >> he read the minnesota law tim walz signed. he didn't even know his own law. literally j.d. vance explained the minnesota law to the guy who signed it and he didn't know what it did, and again, one more example of how he was focused but what he did and i think this was so important. as he would respond to a question, or even address something that walz might have brought up, he brought it back to kamala. kamala is the presidential nominee. doesn't matter what tim walz thinks because ultimately what kamala has done, like you said,

1,400 days ago was her first day in office. and now we know the results. larry: i don't mean to interrupt, three and a half years, this was a big thing. of the things he repeated, you know, besides affordability and besides inflation, here, i'll play some tape, because this is just in my opinion, it's just masterful. listen to this. >> she's been the vice president for three and a half years. she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%, drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%, open the american southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of americans. larry: i just think, steve scalise, that is masterful, and he was relentless on the three and a half years or the 1,400 days. it's actually the point where he doesn't have to call the names. he doesn't have to say that's a terrible idea. all he said was okay, marry maybe it'sa good idea.

you should have done it 1,400 days ago. >> and laying out facts again that relate to the problems that people really carable. i mean, i get to go around the country in a lot of these swing districts and swing states and when you go you're hearing the same things pop-up. some anomaly of an issue might come up in one state that doesn't anywhere else. every where you go they are talking about the cost of things and how it hurts them, how it limits their ability to provide for their family maybe to save for their kid's college education. you talk about the border and you hear about the fentanyl deaths. the other things related. it's not just the people coming in, taking resources away, being camped up in schools and hotels and trashing hotels when you have veterans who served our country sitting out on the street. this is what angers people and affecteds people and that's what j. d. was talking about to those people while walz was all over the board, trying to explain how kamala has all these great ideas. she's changed her position on everything and by the way, nobody believes it.

she's still against fracking. she's still for open borders. she's still for all these taxes that are hurting people, even though nobody believes she's changed her views in the last three weeks versus what she's been for the last 20 years. >> i know that after hanging out with you two i'll be better and i would just say this. you've become most like the people you spend most of your time with, and what we saw last night was a young man and a senator who spends time with the former president and what we saw last night was the governor of minnesota who spends his time with a failed vice presidential candidate on the top two or three issues voters say that are important to them. you become like the people you are most around, so tim walz, i mean, i don't know if he can make up but i don't know if it matters that much because i'm not certain people have the expectation he was going to be better or different. larry: was it 60 million or 70 million watched? >> i bet it was probably 50-60 million but people say it doesn't matter who the vp is. it absolutely does when you take a look at what is going on in

the world right now. we didn't even get to the port strike. >> and that's why i think it moved the needle like you brought up at the beginning. vp debates rarely do. i think last night did because he kept bringing it back to kamala and how her policies over the last three and a half years are hurting people today. larry: people have been walking around saying it's the best debate they ever saw. very interesting to me. very interesting to me and if you saw it, i think there was a clear winner, but the point is, this was a historic segment. historic segment. steve scalise and famed, famed fox news host harris faulkner, absolutely famed. the teleprompter will run i'm ready to do the next thing. >> i'm bringing cookies next year. larry: the fukushima focus iss 11 a.m. weekdays on fox news. coming up here, is there a second trump economic boom in sight? well that's interesting, we'll

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>> if you look at what was so different about donald trump's tax cuts, even from previous republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more takehome pay to middle class and working class americans. it was passed in 2017 and you saw an american economic boom unlike we've seen. that is a record i'm proud to run on. larry: wow, just clear as a bell. joining us now, john carney, breitbart finance and economics editor and co-author of the breitbart business digest, you've got to get it folks, and i pal ej antoni, research fellow at the heritage foundation, and i'll start with you, and dispense with this issue, because senator was correct, okay? absolutely right. the corporate tax cut which is not what republicans had usually been doing had the biggest impact, the biggest increase in

after-tax income in the middle and lower wentiles, and we can go through this. let's see. tax cut of 16% to 26% in the bottom quintile, you had tax cuts of 11-13% in the middle, in the top quintile, the very top, and if you made over $1 million, you picked up only 6%. now, these are growth rates. these are increases. what really matters, and he was exactly right, but the democrats continue to lie about the impact of this. >> and larry i think you have to wonder why is that? why are they pushing so hard to end or really repeal the trump tax reform. i think a big part of that has to do with their donor base. if you're a high income earner and a deep blue state like new york, new jersey, illinois, california, you actually paid more after the trump tax reform, not less, and so repealing that, yes, it would cause taxes to go up on middle america, but probably more importantly,

for these folks, their primary donors would see a decrease in their federal tax liability. larry: i guess if you say something often enough somebody will believe it. they have been lying about this , well ever since 2017 tax cut went through basically. this and the fact that it caused huge i don't know what walz said last night, caused an $8 trillion budget deficit is just simply not true. the revenues rose. we had laffer yesterday or the day before. they lie about who was the best. it's the middle and lower incomes that made out the best. they lie about the revenue impact. and they just lie about the whole thing, because all they want to do is raise taxes. >> don't people see through this? larry: that's what i'm getting at. >> they were lying about it even before it passed, when it was still working its way through capitol hill, they were saying oh, it's just going to cut taxes for the rich. larry: right. >> i covered it every single day and you can go back through

the archives of breitbart news and find where we point out, it actually does, it almost everybody who pays taxes got a tax cut from that. larry: that's exactly right, by the way. people like the left of center, the brookings institute, the wharton penn model and so forth have said that. e. j., i guess democrats oppose all broad-based tax cuts. they want to have tax credits which is spending through the tax code, so all they are, is targeted tax credits to their favorite political group. they don't want the whole country to enjoy the prosperity that would come from a broad base across the jfk-type or reagan-type or trump. they always oppose that. they always -- kennedy was the last real democrat who had the broad-based tax cut, right in 1962 and it was finally passed in the senate

after he was assassinated. >> and larry, i think the reason for that is because it allows them to essentially again, going back to the donor base. it allows them to extract more political contributions out of the economy, because if you're going to have these high rates and these very narrow limited deductions, then people are going to be willing to pay an awful lot to a politician in political contributions in order to get a carve out for themselves and not for their competition. larry: you know, well, i used to know democrats who wanted to lower capital gains tax. they've all been retired. john carney, the makings of a second trump economic and financial boom from your business digest, this is out today. >> yes, so last time, trump was a surprise win and if you looked at the surveys particularly of business digest leaders they didn't think trump was going to win. that's repeating itself again so what that does, it actually sets up markets and the economy for a

surprise up dside, because the same cfo's who say trump won't win say trump is better for the economy, what that tells you is they are expecting a worse economy after the election because the worse candidate is going to win. larry: that's like 2016. >> it is. larry: i remember the election night. >> yes. larry: at first the market went way down and then as it became clear that hillary was running out of real estate and trump was going to win, you had this incredible soaring market. >> not just markets. consumer sentiment. people felt better about the economy. you had a huge jump in consumer september isentiment. it stayed high until the trump years until we got hit by the pandemic and we've been depressed for a long time with consumer sentiment. we're setting up again for another jump in consumer sentiment, another jump in the stock markets, and

an investment boom from companies when they see that they are going to get a tax cut, their taxes aren't going to rise. they are all holding back right now. the fed did a study showing one-third of cfo's say they are holding back on investment because they are worried about the tax environment. larry: e. j., i know the dockworkers strike is very unpopular and i do think their 77% increase demand for six years is too much but i want to say, just give me 30 seconds or 40 seconds. they were clobbered by the high inflation where prices rose faster than wages for the past three and a half-plus years. they were the same thing everybody else said. a lot of these strikes now are like the boeing strike and other strikes because they were clobbered by the biden-harris inflation which was much higher than wages and they want some remuneration from that and i think 77% increase might be too high.

sure, sure, sure, but i think they have got a point. last point here. >> and i think that's why we have seen so much labor unrest in this country during the biden-harris administration. i actually wrote a piece for fox back in october of 2021 citing all of the reckless run-away spending this administration was putting in place saying look, we're going to have inflation and that's going to lead to labor unrest and we'll have strikes, and here we are. larry: last time we saw all these strikes -- >> 1,977 the longshoremen strike was a high inflation period. larry: there was a whole bunch of strikes at the same time. inflation causes labor unrest, it causes consumer unrest, it kills confidence. >> these guys actually got a pay cut because of inflation. they negotiated a 2-3% raise a year and really even the 77% over six years is really mostly making up for the pay cut they got because of the biden inflation. larry: thank you, john carney, ej antoni we appreciate it very

much. folks coming up j.d. vance says the phd's and economists are always wrong about trump's agenda. wait, and all of america. does vivek ramaswamy agree or disagree? we'll ask him and other things about the debate last night on kudlow be right back. please stick with us.

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medicare supplement plan from a company like humana just might be the answer. >> now donald trump's economic plan is not just a plan but it's also a record. a lot of those same economists attack donald trump's plans and they have phd's but they don't have common sense and they don't have wisdom, because donald trump's economic policies to deliver to the highest take home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation and to boot, peace and security all over the world. larry: wow taking a wack at economists and other experts. joining us vivek ramaswamy,

businessman, author of "the future of america first" great book. vivek, you heard him. what do you think took a wack at experts particularly economic experts but not only economic experts, and you know what? they were all wrong about trump's first term. that's all. they were all wrong and i was on the receiving end of some of that. >> well you could take a look at the role of health experts over the course of the last several years in the covid-19 pandemic or the lockdowns as well. i should say about the debate last night i felt bad for tim walz and i'm very proud of my friend j. d. i felt bad for tim walz because it's almost not even his fault he was put in this position way out of his depth yesterday. it said a lot about donald trump and kamala harris actually because it says who a leader is willing to select as their runningmate without being threatened by somebody who in j. d.'s case is able to stand on his own two feet and take the fire in tim walz's case there was a lot of other better vp picks kamala harris could have made in terms of competent democrats who

could have maybe held their own a little bit better last night. she didn't do that and that says a lot about her and her insecurity as a led. relative to donald trump's willingness to choose someone strong like j.d. vance which i respect so regardless when you talk about rejecting the experts part of what you need is a leader with enough self-confidence to get to what is true and that involves listening to multiple kinds of experts. it's not like there's one class that's right. there's multiple kinds of experts you've got to listen to, to arrive at truth and donald trump in selecting the kinds of people he has around him has demonstrated he's willing to do that. larry: you to, vivek, if trump wins, and i think the debate last night moves him another large step towards a victory, if he wins, and you go into to the government i hope you clean out some of these so-called experts. i've lived with these over 40, i don't know, 45 years in my twice terms in the government. the experts have biases, vivek. that's what i'm getting at. it isn't the data. it's the bias you have to watch

out for and i think we ought to have, let's say, honest experts or an honest bureaucracy or even better, vivek, a smaller bureaucracy. >> yeah. i would say non-existent bureaucracy at its best, larry, because the path to truth that actually runs through free speech and open debate. it runs through an open exchange of ideas. that's what the scientific method actually depends on is a kind of intellectual humility the idea that no person no matter how many letters they have after their name, nobody is god. that's actually the pursuit of science and understanding of knowledge actually depends on. the trap we fall into in the last several years in the country culturally is believing somehow trusting the science, means you're trusting some human being who themselves is actually flawed. be that dr. fauci and the same thing goes for our economic policies as well. the same thing goes for larry you know this well, the expert class at the federal reserve.

it's like a drunken patron at a bar and throwing a dart at two arrows badly missing on both, inflation and unemployment instead focusing on dollars stability which was actually the fashionable thing to do in the 1970s long before you got the expert class at the fed so economic policy, monetary policy, health policy, one thing we've learned is we need more open debate and accountability rather than an expert class that's insulated from accountability, and believe me if i have anything to do with it larry you'll have my word that's exactly what we restore in this country is getting rid of that managerial class and reviving actual accountability at every layer of our government and that is something we're missing today. larry: well everybody is rooting for you to do that. you know, vivek, just on the debate. i thought j.d. vance was so smart. look what did he do? he picked a handful of issue, just three or four issues, key issues. i mean, inflation, you know, incomes, affordability,

immigration, and three and a half years or 1,400 days, and kept talking about them, and coming back to them, and repeating them. those are the issues people care about, and i think walz was just tied up in knots. he didn't know what to do with it and if they disagreed j. d. would say well maybe you have a point, which is a nice friendly thing to say, but you should have done it 1,400 days ago. that kind of stuff. i mean, i want to say, in some sense, it was reagan-esque, because he took a couple points to keep hammering away. >> yeah, well look. i think the reality is every time we have a policy-focused debate our side actually wins. i'm incredibly proud of j.d. vance, he did a great job of being an outstanding messenger last night but we're on the right side of economic policy, how to combat inflation, end the wave of crime in this country, how to solve the illness mass immigration crisis in this country and i

spoke at liberty university to 8,000 young people earlier this morning, how to revive national pride in this country. we're on the winning side of those issues so the more we're focused on our own substantive vision for the country, the better off our movement and our party and our country is going to be. i think it's one of the lessons we've learned time and again. i think that's going to serve us well between now and november 5 and if we stick to our vision for the country i think this shouldn't even be a close election. i think we should win not just by a little bit but potentially in a unifying landslide of th the kind that reagan delivered in 1984. i think it's possible. i don't think it's out of reach and that be good for the future of the country. that's what i'm rooting for and working hard to make sure we actually see happen. larry: vivek ramaswamy thank you, sir, as always. we love your wisdom. please come back soon. folks foreign policy also a key issue in last night's debate. joining me now is brian hook, former us special representative for iran. brian, thank you very much for your time.

>> you bet. larry: israel is thinking about or hears about, you know more than i do, going after iran. either hitting their nuclear areas or their oil fields or both. joe biden is completely against it, and he made the same statement today. i don't know, i think we have some tape on that, but not enough time. i'm just going to ask you that. biden wants another cease-fire. i don't even understand, i don't know what a cease-fire means. hamas doesn't want a cease-fire. hezbollah doesn't want a cease-fire and israel is in the process of tearing them apart and the rest of the world benefits from that but your perspective. should israel go after iran, right now? >> i think they can and they should and they will, and i think that israel is probably preparing for a major strike against iran. i think at a minimum, they are going to target their energy, some of their economic lifelines

and also, some military targets, and then i think on the table as you mentioned, larry, it's possible they could go after the nuclear sites. they could also go after the iranian regime leadership in the way they have against hezbollah and also against hamas but i think it's going to be some mix of those options and it could very much resemble israel in the 1967 during the six-day war where they struck out in a number of different directions and they changed the balance of power in the region for decades afterwards, and we could be in that similar moment right now. larry: wouldn't that be a good thing? i mean, just to use your elegant phrase. changing the balance of power. and i have to believe, brian, that a lot of arab countries including the saudis would like that very much. israel taking out hezbollah and hamas, maybe israel crippling iran, maybe some popular

movement could develop in iran, of younger people who have been, you know, circulating for years, but they always get crushed. i mean, why not change the balance of power. >> i think that's exactly right. i think a lot of our gulf partners that you mentioned, saudi, uae, bahrain, a range of partners there know that the principal driver of violence in today's middle east is the iranian regime, and one of the things that enabled the abraham accords was the way that president trump organized israel and gulf states against the common enemy. the us, israel, and a lot of our sunni partners are on the front lines of iranian aggression and we organized them against that threat and that then opened the door to new opportunities for peace, which trump laid out in 2017 in his speech that was a fantastic speech setting forth the vision of peace and stability which is what he did over the four years of his presidency. larry: well, i hope, i don't

know. i've said i'm not the only one but i think israel is doing the world a favor, and that at some point -- >> yeah, they are. larry: the rest of the world, the democracies, the naysayers, the u.n. is hopeless, but other places, well thank israel for what they're doing right now and having to do it all alone maybe help is on the way in five or six weeks, but we'll leave it there. brian hook, as an expert, thank you very much we appreciate it, sir. folks, we got one more segment, the great byron york and he wrote a terrific column today. last night's debate was over in the first minute. the first minute, he could be right. he often is. byron york will be here right on set next to me. i'm kudlow, please stick around. , whatever they may be. all that planning has paid off.

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chris lacavida, trump's co dashcam pain manager was in the spin room and i said what were some key moments and he said the first 20 seconds and i said wow what's that? he said well, the first question was about the chaos erupting in the world. it was a very important grave serious sort of issue to be raised, and walz was there nervous, fidgeting, not very focused, and -- larry: like a little bit of this. >> he had a bit of a deer in the headlights look about him so he said that is just not the look of a confident man that you want to be, president of the united states. larry: and j.d. vance's answers were, i mean, went through his personal history for example, which surprised some people, but he got it done quickly, and i think on the iran question, i think that was one of the first questions or might have been the first question.

walz just gave some word salad thing. i don't remember what he said. vance said, this is about attacking, vance said it's up to israel. that was a great answer. it's up to israel. not cease-fires and this and all of the biden stuff and all of the appeasement. it's up to israel. >> most fundamental question you could get to sovereign nation. it's at war right now. it's going to do what it wants. on the introduction i was slightly surprised actually because they raised these issues of war and peace and he said first let me introduce myself but i think you do have to remember. vance for the first time in his life had an audience of all of the three broadcast dinosaur networks, all of the cable news networks, all sorts of other online outfits. he had a huge audience last night and it was the one chance he got to say something like that and he did it briefly. larry: and he shined. >> he did. larry: i don't month.

harris faulkner thought maybe 50 million people saw it. i don't know whatever it was, it was a great moment for him. right now, how do you see this race? you are an expert in this. you write it everyday. you know, a lot about politics and polls. how do you see it? >> well, i see it that after july 21, the big switcheroo, there was this long period of a shawingasugar high for harris at was beginning to wear off before the september 10, first debate, only debate so far trump and harris and i think she's actually done better since then. she had a better debate than trump did. i didn't think she had a good debate but he really didn't have a good debate so i think she is still up. she seems to be up by a couple of points and the real clear politics average polls nationally and then the question is you've talked about this before, the question of the electoral college. if you're tried does that really mean a win for trump?

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