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larry: hello, folks. welcome to kudlow, i'm l arry kudlow. president trump in pennsylvania selling his plan for less taxing, less spending more growth, more on that in a moment first up fox news bryan llenas in scranton, pennsylvania. reporter: former president is speaking to crowd, this is president biden's hometown. you have to drive on president biden expressway to get here, message has been about the economy, former president promising to cut people's energy bills in half . and attacking kamala harris' taxes, former president played clips of harris, one from this week on the view, she said she had no regrets on anything that her administration has done over last 4 years.

former president also attacking harris on inflation, remember the joint economic committee by republicans saying here in pennsylvania they are spending $1 thousand more per month than 4 years ago this is happening while new polling has come out from competitive blue wall states, quinnipiac university poll saying that harris has a slight lead over trump in pennsylvania by 3 points, trump making a big move here, he is now ahead of harris in michigan, and wisconsin. this same poll had harris up in the two states in september, all these results are within the margin of error. the fox news polls show that trump has an advantage here in pennsylvania on the issue of the economy. it is the most important issue to voters here, trump with a 6. advantage over harris. let's remind folks, trump's economic plan includes permanent tax cuts from 2017, no taxes on overtime

or tips or social security income for elderly americans and proposed slashing corporate tax rate to 15% and enacting universal 20% tariff, trump's visit to pennsylvania as "wall street journal" reports that democrats are privately growing worried about harris 's st stance with working class and union voters in this state and in michigan. >> i'll be honest with you i'm a democrat, they have [ bleep ] us over for last 40 years, for once we're standing up as a union, probably only one right now saying what the [ bleep ] have you done for us, i'm getting attacked from the left. reporter: teamsters union poll showed 60% of rank and file members support former president, union deciding

not to endorse candidate for first time in nearly 30 years. larry: bria bryan llenas for -- thank you for that run down, give dr. art laffer a nobel prize in oak econ economy -- in economics. nobel prize for economics will be awarded next week. clear winner and high time should be art laffer. if you needed more evidence, that laffer curve drawn on a napkin by dr. laffer in 1975, to prove he has been correct time and time again, including the latest budget numbers just coming out for fy 2024. those numbers show an out of control deficit of nearly 2 trillion dollars.

biden-harris fiscal policies produced 2 trillion dollar yearly deficits, here is the wonder of laffer curve, total revenues soared to 4.9 trillion dollar individual income tax un11%. and corporate income taxes up 26%. as dr. laffer has preached for 5 decades, lower tax rates lead to higher tax revenues, that right, higher, it has been about 5 decade government estimates have been wrong. whether it was jfk or ronald reagan or donald trump all big tax cutters, those lower tax rates produced higher revenues. and a lower budget deficit, excepting during the biden

and kamala years, federal spending keeps rising. combination of economic growth incentives and less tax avoid avoid ed ance were basic principles behind af af st art laffer's curve. kamala harris told us she will spend at least 2 trillion above the biden-harris base line, that including new entitlements and subsidies, but the proposed kamala harris tax hike will pay for the new social spending, nonsense, spending will raise deficit and tax hikes will so depress the economy they will raise the deficit even

more. mr. trump on the other hand has a transition policy group, this is planning to chop down the budget defecits with elon musk-type budget restraint, and revenue increasing supply side tax cuts. trump policy is about less taxes, less spending, more growth and declining deficits. harris wants more taxes, more spending, and bigger deficits. mr. trump to his credited, believes in dr. laffer's curve. and that is why he awarded art with the presidential medal of freedom in june of 2019. that was wonderful, but you know what a arthur deserves' nobel prize as well, joining us now mike faulkender, chief economist

at afpi . and let's see, trump -- all right. we'll play some sound from interview just last friday. play sound on that. >> there is a difference, you are the tax cutter, you are trying for a new golden age in this country, she is say tax hiker. >> if you followed her policy, you will end up in 1929 style depression, 100% certain, companies and jobs will flee. she only person that have seen campaigning on a massive tax hike. >> now texas congressman budget chief jodey arrington to go with faulkender, where you are, you are out there. we can do separate places. chairman j jodey arrington.

thank you. first point, i want to give art laffer a nobel prize, president trump gave him a presidential medal of freedom award in 2019. art laffer's curve predicted all these years that lower tax rates mean higher revenues, a combination of better economy growth, and even with ballooning deficits under biden mostly ballooning spending. ironically corporate tax revenues, after the trump tax cuts, are up 26%. by the way, income tax cuts under president trump, they are up i d i don't remember the number 12%. laffer is right again. that among other reasons is he i believe worthy of a nobel prize. i want to ask you, as a budget chief, everyone says that trump's tax cuts will worsen the budget deficit, a big story in "wall street

journal" this morning. no one understands the laffer curve. you unde understand it let's talk about it. >> we have a blue print to put the country in its people's government here in united states on path to balance. central to that. is growth. and you can't grow when you are thrusting the barrage of regulatory rigmarole on small businesses, economic engine. you can't have your foot on the backs of the lifeblood of our economy, energy producers, and you can't raise taxes on the heels of covid and the recovery that we have been trying to suffer to get back on our feet. but, keep getting knocked down by dumb economic policies from this administration. so, unleashing prosperity again with same formula that -- >> i love that phrase.

>> it was unprecedented. the 2017 trump tax cuts along with the deregulation, america first policies, and not paying people not to work, but incentivizing work capable people to get back to the marketplace, taking together gave us record revenues, if we increase gdp by 1% that is 3 trillion towards deviate reduction -- deficit reduction and 20 i think close percentage points from debt to gdp. larry: that is key. you want debt to gdp down, to get deficits to gdp down. just quick question, is your committee working on this balance budget plan? >> passed it twice. we based it on james mad madison comment that a public debt is a public

curse, worst of its kind in republican form of government, our founding fathers knew sinister threats of debt. and as we look at conflicts in the middle east, and look at the natural disasters hitting our country and the misappropriation and misuse of moneys where we spend tens of billions on illegal immigrants instead of helping our fellow citizens, we have to right size this material government and get rid of covid bloat and reform entitlements and root out 236 billion in fraudulent spending in health care and welfare, this is a long list, it is plan central is growth. larry: faulkender, you and that fancy think tank you work for, are you working on a balance budget plan, a pro growth plan with tax cuts but also have a sizable volume of spending.

ale call them savings or whatever. mr. trump on the campaign trail, you know, has been talking about spending cuts. including i might add what obligated but unspent that misnamed inflation reduction act, enlisted elon musk, i don't know when you have contact with elon musk, that will be a spending restraint. and confident you h have -- then you have laffer curve and tax cuts, fa faulkender, what are you cooking up. >> you have that and add in deregulation, unleashing american energy a abundance, we will be most competitive place in world do, if you have a kamala harris corporate income tax increase, businesses will move abroad, coupled with regulations, you will make it difficult to do business here, if you unclear economy with low cost regulatory

environment, and lower taxes, growing labor force, the combination of those can lift growth, as chairman arrington said, if we could get another point per year out of gdp growth that is 3 triltrillion over budget window we could use. larry: if you -- >> record we had. larry: if you go from 2% growth, long run baseline and i think 1.8 from cbo and federal reserve. so, let's think of it as two, if you go from two to three percent, trump experienced for quite a hart a part of his administration. if you do all that, you would have your 3 trillion dollars, before we lose you,

jodey arrington, when can you beat sense to congressional budget office and the joint tax committee, which and i have been in this game, i was with fed in the '70s, an omd in part of '80s, i was in government, they have this wrong. they have never adopted anything like this laffer curve. you get these goomba stories in news paper that trump's tax cuts cause deficit not kamala harris' spending. 5 trillion, you wouldn't get 2%. you get deep, you know deficits in growth. >> it is -- >> who knows. >> you are right, we know because we have the joe biden kamala harris 10 year budget along side your budget that puts us on a path to balance. larry: 10 year budget. >> 10 year balance -- her 10 year budget, adds 17 t

trillion to the debt, highest sustain levels of taxes, spending and borrowing in history. larry: she wants more of the same. >> she wanteds more of the same, we can't be wedded to cbo score, they were off by a tril yoon. larry: they are always wrong. trump corporate tack as a big revenue lose earl, now. from the news paper that morning. we're in the 10 year window, that is how they score these. we still producing huge revenue surpluses from his corporate tax cuts, and they won't acknowledge that. each year, they make long-term projections they have been wrong every year. it a scandal, someone should do something about congressional think about was on the that is official government score keeper, or the joint tax committee, their sidekick, and they are always wrong, last word do something, you will be chairman against slam them.

>> listen, we can do what we think is right, we have a lot of external validators goldman sachs says that the green energy corporation tax subsidies that came out of so-called inflation reduction act would cost $200 billion, and instead closer to a trillion. larry, of course. >> wrong again. let's do what we know to be right, you talk about art laffer and laffer curve, let's make the investment in growth, get some of the government burden off of the backs -- >> arthur needs to know. you should pitch in, all seriousness, the cbo, and joint tax committee official government score keepers need to be changed. top to bottom, i mean it. we're in -- those tax cuts were 2017, there is a 10 year window for scoring, we're not there yet, this is

24, not 27, they have it wrong, thus far in mounting cumulative ways, they are wrong, some -- if you get them to testify in front of your committee you put up a sign, here are the numbers big poster. they always are wrong, this is one of my pet peeves their scoring is not dynamic not laffer curve, mike faulk faulkender and congressman jodey arrington thank you. larry: coming up elon musk is succeeding where fema failed. we'll talk about it with florida congressman cory mills next. right now florida could be in a heap of trouble. because of this new hurricane, i am kudlow, give laffer a nobel prize, get rid of the congressional budget office, we'll be right back. (♪)

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their folks are responding to two back-to-back storms, fema daily operation briefing shows agency has 8% of its incident management team available to deloy after hurricane milton, that is 1100 people, and "new york times" reports typically number of folks is 25%. part of reason for that lower number than usual much lower is that about 7900 of fema folks are tied up helping with other natural disasters namely hurricane helene. but despite the concerns about staffing and funding, fema's administrate said they have people and money to handle the storms. >> i want to be clear. we at fema stand ready to both continue our support to hurricane helene and continued to to the impacts from hurricane milton. this is what we do best. reporter: here is the thing, staffing challenges at fema

are nothing new we have known about them for years government accountability office report from last year raised concerns about staffing revealing a 35% shortfall at the agents. and because of the response to hurricane helene and we'll see what happens with hurricane milton house oversight chair james comer said once the dust settles, on the hurricanes he wants to bring in head of fema for a congressional hearing. >> i think we need to have a complete review of fema, just like we did with the secret service when house over site committee grout in cheatle, it was apparent that secret service are not up to task, there are a lot of questions for fema. reporter: so, we'll wait for that potential hearing comer said it could be scheduled for mid november. maybe we'll get more answers, but. deeann chriswell has been on

all sorts of platforms today including briefings with president and white house press briefing with us, the press saying they are ready for this second storm in two weeks. larry: thank you, grady trimble. for more on this bring in florida congressman cory mills, a good friend, the first thing i have to ask what many people have suggested in the past week, that fema is short of money and resources because they have devoted so much to the illegal immigration wave, in your judgment, is that true? partially true or what? >> well, it is partially true, i would think have to do look at poor leadership. mr. management of the a-- mismanagement of appropriation of funding. and money allocated to immigration resettlement not toward what fema is supposed to be focus focused

on, i find it out she talks about fema is ready and this is what we do best, i was in north carolina for 5 days, running medevacs and search and rescues, dropping starlink systems by elon musk we did not see fema for almost a week ethey show up in ones and twos and index undisclosed places, claiming they are doing registration, this is a act, like secretary mayorkas saying our border is secure, this is more political rhetoric, people on the ground see the truth. larry: speaking of elon musk for a moment, elon musk and his starlink receivers played such a role in this -- first of all in hurricane helene, they may be called back into duty i'm sure they will be, they have helped elsewhere, spacex helping to rescue astronauts. do you know this story

perhaps? the federal communication commission couple years ago rescinded an agreement to pay spacex 8 86 million to install starlink receivers in rural towns across the country. that was a rescission of an agreement, total you probably know it, is around 40 billion in original authorization bill, and based on reports, of that 40 billion, that was authorized i believe in 2022, nothing, nada has gone to the rural areas. no internet connects have gone to rural areas. whereas elon musk could have probably put it together for less than 885 million rescinded. i don't understand. nothing, i mean 40 billion

dollars, 40 billion for rural assistant. i don't know how the hell you spend that much, some estimates are higher. we looked at it in thing trump administration we were 10 or 12 max. anyway, why is this you know they hate elon musk unless and until he can help them. >> you are right. they are trying to utilize appropriation by congress to withhold it from elon musk because of his outward speak on being a supporter of donald j. trump because of him showing up people and federal government with connective tiivity this is same party and administration that talked about soft infrastructure, and hard infrastructure, they could not define it. they could not u utilize elon what could have done this in days this is the

weaponization of government. lawfare that we see with department of justice, and withholding of congressly appropriated funds because they don't fit an agenda or narrative or not a donor of party in change. larry: these receive every, receivers are li like wafers. >> -- 300 a piece. >> they are amazing. larry: that is just the part iz down understand, cory mills, on florida hurricane threat, it is dar barreling down. >> yes, we're feeling and see affects on home at atlantic beach our district will get impacts west coast and all of florida will see an impact this is a massive storm. people have evacked, l

our governor, greatest government has been on charge to make sure we respond quickly, as well as my team, pro positions helicopters and generators and starlinks and parish ables -- perishables we're ready, the federal government can't do their job like they didn't in afghanistan, haiti, israel, all places that i went to rescue americans, will step up americans helping americans. larry: congressman cory mills thank you. >> thank you. >> fox business will have live special coverage of hurricane milton, tomorrow morning hosted by our team at fox weather. that am start at 4 aimpleg. -- will start 4 a.m. tomorrow morning, god bless residents of florida, oh, my gosh. >> coming up donald trump is a tax cutter, kamala harris a tax hiker we talk about it with mr. newt gingrich, he is ar for lower taxes by

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larry: low and behold, a record close for dow jones and s&p 500, kudlow trust love its lydia hu, nice. reporter: nice going with markets closing at record highs dow and s&p notching record closes dow up 431. s&p higher by 40, and nazdaq higher by 108, we're getting record closings after fomc released minutes from september meeting. we got the jumbo 50 basis point cut, they show majority of voting members favor that large rate cut believing it upside risk to inflation had decreased but we did see some disagreement here. michelle bowman, preferred a

smaller 25 basis point cut. now we have our eye tomorrow for latest read on inflation with the cpi report 8:30 we'll have breaking news on fox business. check in with trump media and technology group stock, it is -- sliding today, zooming out we have big gains for this stock. this is the par parent company of donald trump's truth social, up higher than 32% over the past 5 days, highigher by 14% over last month, not clear what is propelling the moves some believe it is a reflect about how market feels on the election or donald trump. and you have to remember, elon musk appeared at trump's huge rally in butler, pennsylvania over the weekend, that could give investors and stock a big boost. >> all right lydia hu thank you. >> we might speculate on the whys of truth social.

dj t is ticker. we have joe concha and simone coming up later, but now we have newt gingrich, former speaker of house, fox news contributor, dear friend, weisman, newt, sound from an interview someone had with mr. trump last friday. >> your plan, you o offered i am sorry 15%, 21 to 15%, business tax rate. should be be lowest. >> we have to guard our companies. now they will have low taxes, low environmental cost, low energy, i will get energy drill, baby, drill, we will get energy down and lowest energy. larry: all right. so, newt, talk to you about that riff. pa15% would be lowest. number two, it will should

stimulate the domestic producers, that would be eligible for it. and the analysts and news reporters and pla pla blah, blah, blah say, gee, lower tax rates will contribute to much higher budget deficits. the trouble with trump is, he doesn't show you how it pay for his tax cuts, and his budget s deficits, let alone fact cbo is scoring and they are always wrong, they have always been wrong, your take on that. >> i actually thought that jd vance had this right in the debate, they asked him a question he said these are people who have been wrong. you and i know it, we were in the supply side fight you know almost 40 years -- i guess 40 years ago, when people thought we were crazy

because we said reagan's 3 year tax cuts will lead to a boom, if you c combine tax cuts with deregulation, you get a boom, then you have higher income, more taxings paid, more people are at work, their incomes are higher, capital gains goes up, the ironic reality, is that a lower capital gains rate, increases the ability of people to sell their various investments and realize a profit. and actually increases total government revenue. so. we have a clear history -- i am a hiss historian by training if you encourage entrepreneurship, be positive about risk taking, and encourage the work ethic, you will get a boom in this country, which will pull us away from the rest of the planet, make us far and a way best place to

invest in, best place to work, and that is just the historic record. and all these nutty theories on other side, have one common pattern, they don't work. they are not true. larry: hang on, here is the best part of this is that they -- the reporters and editorialists are not criticizing kamala harris, she is going to spend trillions on various new and existing entitlements and lord knows what else, price control, and that is okay she plans to raise taxes by 5 trillion, that tax hike, gee it won't hurt the economy at all, and follow probably help bridge the deficit down. that is perverted, his history is what we need, it shows you record of these developments historical record, you can imagine the

stew pistupid ti ity of this what the heck kinds of reporting is that? >> it is not. the p propaganda media a bunch of left we think cuckoos who at ca can't can't to elite -- went to elite colleges talked to each other. if you want what regulation and tack increases that kamala harris wants and increase devestate spending she might as well run on vote for a depression now. her policies if they were to consider, she would not -- occur, she would not get them through congress. republicans would keep the house and win senate, she would not get it. but that is part of what tripped her up the other night on 60 minutes did the worst performance by a presidential candidate on a national show, that i have seen.

and she condition explain any of in because of truth is none of this would go through congress. larry: you know. just, other thought on this. nobel prize for economics will be given out next week. arthur laffer to get the darn thing. donald trump gave art laffer presidential medal of freedom. we were all there for that it was a wonderful thing, arthur, whose laffer curve predicted everything that you talked about was correct for 50 years since he put it out in mid 70s, on a napkin. you know. whether it was jfk or ronald reagan tax cuts or trump tax cuts always been correct, that is why i'm commenting ing . he should get nobel prize. >> if based on merit and historical impact he is one

of most con sequential economist in last half century, he is in the line with milton friedman. art deserves nobel prize. larry: thank you, newt gingrich thank you. for your wisdom appreciate it very much. >> thank you. larry: here on set, mark simone, wor hall of fame radio host, joe concha, fox news contributor. arthur of progressively worse, mark simone, why is ticker dj t, truth social, mr. trump's meada company, why is it rallying there it was under valued. a good company, a good site and i think alliance with elon musk has given everyone impression there should be a merger some sort of a twitter you know. larry: oh.

>> twitter x merger with truth social. >> former president trump has been more active on twitter they are best of friends right now. larry: symbiotic. listen you to look a financial analyst. >> and i think that markets think that ton to donald trump is going to win, betting market is agreeing on that. >> you are right. irsaw a poll today, reporting on from pennsylvania. anyway, wisconsin and michigan are plus for trump. >> quinnipiac has that, they were off by 10 points in 2020, they have trump up this stage, and then in new york city, and he is going to m madison squared garden and california and colorado, this is a play for popular vote to sweep house

senate and white house. larry: i like him in virginia too. i like him in new jersey too. don't get -- say he will win new york. he will help congressmen win new york. so, putting on your entertainment hat. madison j square garden. >> number one arena in world that is w where champions play, i still say he will win new york, he will shock everyone, internal polling is -- >> joe concha, just, 30 6 6 trump is the momentum seems to have shifted. i think ordinary observers, who might read paper, they have changed. they are not good are in kamala harris. >> she is having hear worst week it is only wednesday. seriously that 60 minutes

interview was a hot mess, she is first democrat in human history to screw up a history on the view, that is really hard to do,y wouldn't change anything. she picks a fight with ron desantis, called. >> he is all salt no tequila. >> only wednesday. >> only wednesday. >> hump day. >> only width. on wednesday, joe concha and mark simone. >> why do democrats hate private sector. an attempted smear at david mccormack, republican candidate for senator based on his hinge fund life we talk with charlie gas mggasperino about that, i am kudlow. what isn't the economy? yes. [ laughter ]

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larry: joining he now charlie g g. >> hit job on cnn for david mccormack for his time at bridge fund, argue he did started stocks. >> short stocks of pennsylvania companies. you know one of main -- i cover the c confluence of

washington and wall street, i also do business. cable. cable is a crummy business right now. that is what it is. to be clear. bridgewater is 100 billion dollar hedge fund. there no way that ceo knew about the trades. >> right. >> you know these only involved in the a trade that is existential to the fund and guaranteed their investment in short of hershey, the chocolate company, charlie chocolate and the family -- is not animating him. he has compliance staff, a million people between him. i don't like doing journalism critiques, but for the grace of god go i, this is a really bad story. and bad editing. this should have been deep 6ed. this ceo has nothing to do with this.

and also, you know short selling is not illegal, and you know what is good for companies, you know why, it tells comcast, clean up our act, h hershey i don't know, i have not had a chocolate in a long time, have you. larry: no. >> maybe that is why they are short. not only, he is not on trading floor. she goes at some length to quantify short positions, then she makes an assertion. >> pennsylvania companies that is what this is about. >> most were long investments. >> in pennsylvania companies. >> she doesn't give the -- the numbers are available. >> three people to screw this one up. larry: 2 plus two plus 2 minute one one. >> that is what this is about. >> it is really bad

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