liz: listen, guys, we see red ons screen here and no records for the dow, s&p and all they would have needed was a fraction of the gain and that would have done it but a bit of a breather here and tune in tomorrow when airbnb cofounder and ceo brian chesky joins us and that's been a fascinating one. that's going to do it for us. kudlow is next. larry: president trump at economic club of chicago earlier today defending tax cuts and smart tariffs and other things. steve moore, john carney will be here in just a moment. first up, our own grady trimble

live in chicago with the roundup. grady, roundup. reporter: larry, the crowd was receptive to the economic policies but the interview itself got contentious at times and took questions from editor in chief at bloomburg and let's just say there were some philosophical differences between the two gentlemen and by far the biggest topic of discussion today was tariffs, which bloomburg suggested would hurt the trade partners and increase the national debt but former president trump fired back making the case it would protect u.s. jobs and encourage other companies to build factories here. >> it must be hard for you to spend 25 years talking about tariffs in the negative and then have somebody explain to you you're totally wrong.

it will have -- reporter: you can hear the crowd cheering despite the jabs of the two men and the two covered a lot of ground on other topics as well including the federal reserve, tiktok, geopolitics and immigration. >> are you prepared to say, look, it's fine to have a slightly smaller economy in exchange for having the immigration control -- >> okay, simple answer, i want a lot of people to come into the country, but i want them to come in legally. i don't want to have unknown -- reporter: and we're told the economic club of chicago also invited vice president harris to sit down for a similar q&a format type session. we're told that the campaign hasn't gotten back to them, but, larry, we're just three weeks to the day from election day. the economy is still the number one issue for voters. trump is talking about it a lot and harris is too and voters seem to like what they're hearing from trump more and that's what the polling

suggests, larry. lauren: yep, sometimes the polls are right, sometimes. the sixty of tonight's riff is the working coalition. which she can out "the wall street journal" editorial. kamala harris pitch to black men, will more spot smoking and loans repeal them from president trump. she'd spend $20,000 in forgivable government loans for 1 million minorities to start businesses. as we learn with the march 21st so called american rescue plan back in 2021, having a loan forgiveness program for socially disadvantaged farmers to find black, indian, alaskaen native, hispanic and pacific islanders and several judges enjoying the program and the department of justice didn't appeal. this latest from kamala is

essentially the same thing and allocating government loans on the basis of race the more people that are smoking pot, the stymedder they become. that's what black communities are talking about in california and what everybody in new york has learned and all kinds of spiritual programs that will help people stop getting stupid. her problem is with males in general and young men are leaving the democratic party. that's according to the harvard institute of politics and only 33% of young men now identify as democrats compared to 42% back in 2020. the reason is as you might guess or largely economic. rising prices are killers to

young men, particularly the biden slump in manufacturing where pre-pandemic, you know, trump created 450,000 manufacturing jobs. whereas biden and harris at the same stage of the cycle only 187,000. economic anxieties, particularly for those without a college degree, running very high. they see trump as more helpful than kamala -- hopeful than kamala harris and higher rents and prices and driving young men towards trump and same for high interest rates and the affordability dream of getting married and buying your own first home. interestingly, while economists are free traders and believe trump's tarrieses are somehow inherently inflationary, the reality on the ground is that young men and you might say blue collar working folks in general will they favor tariffs by considerable margins?

they recall there was no inflation during the trump years but they were pleased to see trump fight back against china and when it comes to manufacturing jobs, they see trump as a continued fighter against china and maybe india and perhaps elsewhere as well. but mostly they want home grown jobs to be available for those that do not have a college degree. about two-thirds of the american people that work with their hands. blacks, hispanics, asians, whites, young men and et cetera. maybe it's growing. it is a force to be reckoned with just three weeks from today. and that is the subject of the riff. all right. joining me now is john carney, bright bart finance news and economic director and awe torr of digest and steve moore host

of more money and trump economic merit goal. get there with the sounds and play the first sounds from trump in chicago. here it comes. >> there's tremendous waste in our country and if you cut it wow could get a tremendous surplus without even doing anything. we'll bring companies and jobs in at levels that you've never seen and you'd never be able to do it because you're not a believer in tariffs. the only way is through the threat of tariffs. larry: you know, i heard my pal david asman say this, i said this to trump when i interviewed him two fridays ago in florida, he's already negotiating and nearly by threatening baseline tariffs and other mechanisms, he's putting the word out is and

there's a new sheriff or say there's a new and updated sheriff whose come to town. and if they don't get to inflation of inflation he gen yoreuated and like he will in mar-a-lago and going for the day he's reelected. >> you're absolutely right. the american people love that and latest abc news poll showed 57% of americans support taxes and higher taxes on imports and tried to raise as negatively as they could and still got a commanding majority of the american people saying yes, i am in favor of that. people know as you were saying, inflation is not an issue. inflation is not caused by tariffs, milton friedmann taught us a long time ago, inflation is caused by monetary policy and caused by deficit spending

accommodated by the federal reserve and tariffs don't cause inflation at all and these economists know better saying tariffs will cause inflation. they're basically reaching. larry: steve moore, it's an odd thing because trump believes reciprocity. start there. okay. so if china keeps developing unfair trading practice or continuing unfair trading practices, i don't know. india is another perfect example and has among the highest tariffs in the world or other places like brazil. united states should should not and cannot stand by and let them deal with us on that basis. that's how we'll lose all of our manufacturing jobs, the upper midwest, midwest and upper midwest were blown out of the water and economies will get killed and that's what trump is trying to say. now, can he say it better? i'm not sure he can say it any better and i think some people particularly in the economics profession won't listen to what he's saying and this is about

unfair trade >> so you're exactly right that when trump gives talk like he did today. he's talking directly to president xi and china and he's talking to europeans and he's saying play by the rules or we'll hit you hard. i'm not as enthusiastic about the tariffs as you are, but i'll say this, if you do his policy on tariffs and i wish he'd add to that though, two other elements of his agenda that are very much pro domestic production. one is deregulation. you know, these regulations chase -- larry: did he mention that today, deregulation? >> he did but the other is how in the world are you going to create more jobs in the united states if you do the kamala harris agenda, which is $5 trillion of new taxes on business.

it has to be the whole package. getting government off the back of businesses and lower corporate business tax rates so it's a place where >> i think we'll see tariff as lot lower than people expect and unlike what the interviewer said in chicago, it's not going to start a trade war and what they want to sell in the u.s., they're not going to retaliate with tariffs but they're going to do exactly what trump has been saying and they're going to reciprocate by bringing down their tariffs and not going to say we want to fight you and get in the tracks here. larry: that's the fun here, the use of the tariff in trump's world, remember, the guy's a master negotiator and that's what he did for a living before he became president. the use of the tariff is actually a weapon of free trade

because you'll get lower trade barriers by using the tariff here. when might look at this and saying the other day, if john deere moves to mexico, they're not going to get a 15% corporate tax rate and might even put 100 or 200% tariff on it. what happens? john deere will not move their plants to mexico. you'll never see the tariff because they won't do it because he's negotiated them right out of it. he said to them, don't you dare. but he's saying it's cat and stick. if you do, if you stay here in the states wherever they are, peoria, illinois, and i'll give you 15% and deregulation. >> he has a record on this. in his term in office, we imported about $1 trillion of capitol into the united states and not out of. we used to say and it was so true for the first time in 50 years, factories were moving from mexico to michigan and not from michigan to mexico.

it worked. larry: more, let's do, we have something about elon musk here. here it comes. roll tape, please. >> i have great respect for elon and i want to put him in charge of deregulation. >> not deregulation but cutting. ask cutting waste for spending including deregulation. larry: trump on musk, this has got to be a big plus and musk has become a super human figure and smartest guy on the planet earth. but i think it's a big lift like he's so futuristic getting done things that people never thought could get done. he still is trying. i mean, if they'd let him, he'd wire up all the broad band into rural areas and do it by spacex, star link and so forth. i think trump is serious. i don't think musk will come in to the government and be a cabinet member. but he'll come in and that'll cut a lot of spending that

people will like. >> musk is somebody that believes the way we're doing things now is not the optimal way and we can do things better. whether sending rocket ships up or going into space, we says we need to get a thousand times better so we can get to mars and thinks we can do government a lot better than we have. i think it's great. give them a chance. as we said, i don't think he wants to go into government. what he'd like to do is be an adviser, be on a commission, that make as lot of sense. larry: who better? >> yeah, i mean, the guy knows super efficiency and everything he runs is fantast and i can you could easily in my opinion having studied the budget for 40 years, you could find a trillion dollars out of the budget and bret baier is doing that interview tomorrow with kamala. he tweeted out what questions would you like to ask? the question i'd like to ask is ask kamala harris can you name

four or five government programs to get rid of? she has zero efficiencies or spending cuts and all she has is $5 trillion of tax cuts. larry: and more spending. her first economic plan and has several now and that's the one getting them more high and she's never had anything but increased spending. i mean, with the first program was $1.7-$2 trillion and that was just a couple months ago. all right, here's trump on inflation. take a listen. >> people betting your policies will drive up debt skin fellation and interest rates and are the investors wrong? >> i had four years no inflation. four years no inflation. >> that was wrong. >> two years of no inflation because he inherited it from me and they started spending money like drunken sailors.

larry: didn't even have two years he started spending in the first year. jutted facts were the facts and trump was president and it is true that the inflation rate and his four years in office and 1.9%, which is actually below the fed target. kamala and biden come in and they drive it up to 9% and their average is 6.5% and how in the world unless you suffer from trump derangement syndrome as an economist would you look at those two records and say i think harris is going to be better on inflation when trump

conquered inflation and kamala harris and biden through the roof. he's a static guy. larry: not a dynamic guy and did you want see for example that tax cuts particularly supply side tax cuts will produce the kind of growth productivity, high real pages and another way that the laffer curve wo works d would never admit that and never hear his associates and i guess that bloomburg ended before that and the economist and they don't believe the laffer curve works and we're sitting here and just got numbers for 2023 and 2023 * 24 and corporate revenues and we're still inside the 10 year window for that tax cut in 2017

and 24. jot government is not producing anymore and when you run it and when the deficit increase as bit through taxes and we're actually encouraging more production, which introduces supply into the economy. >> it's anti-inflationary and when economists look at it and say kamala's left-handed sit will be here and here and it's acting as if those are created by the same thing and they are not. when you run up the deficit through spending and that creating inflation and increase it a bit larry: if you spend

your money, that's not inflationary but if the government spends it, that's inflationary. i'd like to ask john nickelson what if any tax cuts would boost economic growth across the board and what would the revenue impact be? he'd have to come back to the laffer curve and come back to marginal tax rates and the economists magazine where he comes from, used to actually believe that. nick >> if he can be like that for the next three weeks, he'll win this election in a landslide. they don't like the wild crazy stuff and don't like the name calling and he talks about issues and look, larry: he could

win the popular vote as well. >> i want to win the electoral college. let's not be greedy. larry: bret baier exclusive interview with kamala harris tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern on special report and coming up egregious and according to my pal and former ambassador to the vatican jim nicholson, he'll join us next.

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larry: i'm reading about you, jim nicholson and it would appear there's an anti-catholic and anti-christian and probably anti-jewish bias and it's a religious bias and what do you think, sir? >> i agree. they seem to have lost their way and it's sad. i grew up in a democratic catholic family and have six siblings and all seven of us are now republicans. we just can't bear the derision of the catholic church and all the others sit still and don't react or criticize and seem to have lost their minds and their spirits about the catholicture and the democrat party and sad

but true and the governor of michigan openly putting a dorito on the lip of influencer wearing a harris walz t-shirt in a comic format. that's the most sacred act in the liturgy of the catholic church and the mass and people of the communion and they made fun of it going up there to look for the judge and low and behold

the knights of columbus, a fraternal organization of over 2 million men whose mission is to look after young people. it thousand coats to young people in the world and athletic endeavor and it's a fraternal organization and made out like this guy was the head of some radical organization and the radical thing is showing anticatholic bias and cup that will with her history. she was a strong proponent when attorney general of california of the fact act and it passed and the fact act said if you show up at a pregnancy clinic, young lady that's gotten pregnant and made a mistake, to seek help, try to save that baby, the law required that they

post clearly of the location of the nearest abortion clinic and she was a strong proponent of that the equality act tried to force doctors and nurses to perform abortions against their religious convictions and there's a real pattern of this woman and unfortunately there's a real pattern of pacifiesty in the democratic party and i've become aware of ads that have been run among hispanic catholic women pointing out just how anticatholic this team of harris and walz is and the deputies and they're becoming outraged by it. i think there's a, you know, there's some movement out there about it and i hope there is because it's -- the catholic

church about 20 or 35% are catholics and my family was and the party left us and it's certainly leaving the church, i think, now and even the cardinal of new york saying i don't get these people. it's like they're trying to push people away. harris decides not to go to the al smith center. larry: the last guy that did that lost 39 states and cardinal wasn't bashful about putting that out. so, it's going to affect the presidential and to some extent social security someones and not strictly anticatholic but there's an issue where biological men are competing in women sports and it's a transgender problem and biological men competing in

women sports and it'll be a big issue and we'll have ron johnson, senator johnson come in later. could overturn the senate seat in wisconsin and could affect the outcomes in montana, could affect the outcome in texas and we're talking last night onset and just like these democrats and the left wing wags the democratic dog and these don't want any religion whatsoever, jim nicholson. >> that's exactly right. that's the point and not all of them but those that are not are being very quiet. the easter greeting last year was about transgenderrism. of the democratic party for easter. cannot face the fact that people

don't like this liberal, radical woke agenda and walz in minnesota mandated they have sanitary napkins in the boys bathrooms in high school in minnesota. this is going on. larry: it's not right. >> captain shouldn't sit still for this oncoloner. larry: thank you, jim nicholson, god speed. >> goo to see you, larry. larry: young men deserting the democratic party. that by the way includes young black men. i mean, young men deserting democrats. we'll have congressman wesley hunt in just a moment. ♪

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larry: we're joined by the great texas congressman wesley hunt. welcome back, mr. hunt, as always. kamala harris putting everything aside, politics aside and the rest of it. making pot legal, that's her solution to young men, black men, brown men, whatever men? that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. out loud, stupid, stupid, stupid. >> it most certainly ask and some from her, the hypocrisy is nauseating and the same woman when she was a prosecutor was locking up black men for marijuana charges like hot cakes and we are -- aren't buying it

and reminds me of forest gump sitting on the ben and got that million dollar shot off and i didn't see a nickel of that money. i can assure you that these black businesses are not going to see a nickel of that money because she is lying to us yet again and every four years they show up and empty promises to steal our vote. and black men are hip to the game. larry: you read poll after poll and young men are living the democratic party. they're leaving the democratting party for a lack of economic opportunity. they're leaving the democratic party because the biden harris inflation and prices are way too high. they're leaving the democratic party because the dream of an affordable new home, the great american dream seems out of reach.

professor and economist talking about tariffs earlier in the program with the chicago economics but the reality is that tariffs are very popular in the country as long as they're protecting american manufacturing and young people like tariffs. what do you make? >> young men and young black men and young men across america are getting hip to the game. what i saw that was very interesting was just last week when barack obama descended from martha's vineyard to wag his finger at black men and blame them for not voting for kamala harris because she was a woman. that's absolutely insulting to people like me. this is not about identity politics. this is about voting for the right person that's going to help out your pocketbook, not about voting for them because of the color of their skin. and what black men realize it was better under president trump

than it is under kamala harris and people like barack obama spending time around the white hollywood liberal elites and have no idea what it's like to buy groceries and put gas in his car and live in a economy like this. therefore coming down and wagging your finger at and yous we're not paying attention to that anymore. we have to live with a disaster that we see for the past four years. and furthermore, i am a congressman in a white that jordyty district. they're not voting for me because i'm black but because of my conservative values and how i feel about this country and my acting and education and service. that's what this all needs to be about and let's cut the race out and cut out all the pandering for the community and the brass tax and it's about the border and the economy and it's about our safety. that doesn't impact just young black men or young white men or hispanic men, it impacts every single democratic in this country. that's what we're fighting for. larry: there's a working class coalition and i talked about it

in my riff. there's a working class coalition being put together and he started it four, five, six years ago and he's continuing it and he's doing well in the polls. i know polls don't vote, only voters vote, but i'm just saying he's having a lot of success here and the interesting thing about this coalition is coalition want as better economy and closed boarder and stopping all the price hacks and prices come down and i don't see kamala harris answering any of those questions and no solution to the boarder and prices and only solution on the economy best i can determine, sir, is she wants to spend more and tax more. people have seen that for the last three and a half years and they're leaving the party. they're leaving the party in droves. young people leaving the party

and young men leaving the party and catholics are leaving the party and everybody are all leaving the party and i'm not sure they're going to fill out the poll workers on election day. that was a joke. >> president trump has his finger on the pulse coming to working class americans and what we need. we need lower energy prices and we need to release american energy and we want inflation to get to be under control and it's just these very basic tenants and going to speak to the heart and soul and to the core of middle america. that's why he's doing so well. kamala harris and barack obama and tim walz is reasonable speaking to liberal white americans and gender transition than the average working american and we're surging in the polls and i think on november, we'll have a very,

very good day. she has no solutions to the issues in the country and supports joe biden for the past four years and in lock step with him and continues to be in lock step with him. i tell you what, this country needs change and everyone knows that president trump is here to deliver it. larry: i tell you what, i think you're right and i tell you what else, pot is not the solution for this country. anyway, wesley hunt, thank you ever so much, sir. we appreciate it. joining me now onset, great maura hemmingway. victoria, what did you think of what trump said? he's one smart guy and up and coming member of leadership and it's about the economy and the border. i don't see, i mean, it's late in the game >> people never have

a solution and trying to play identity politics and going to polarize people and talking about real issues but i think american people come up and understand. lot of americans going to do the polls and we'll see much more now working class americans realizing that we are the party of working class to bring prosperity to all americans and they cater to billionaires and elites on top like stores that want to be ruling in washington dc and american people on top. larry: i just think not everybody in the mainstream media and there's interesting stories out there by people on the left warning to trump and

the reality is the desertion of that and blacks, browns, whites or whatever and it's the working class not the country club part and it's the deputies that are the rich people. >> and trump has done this dragging the rest of the party kicking and screaming through this place. he did put together a coalition of a broad base and black, whites, browns and the middle class and working class and the republican party does need to follow through on some of the promises and they want the electoral success of trump and they're polling behind where he is and might think about how they should care look at what

happened with elon musk and how all of these regulatory agencies are trying to suppress this guy and it's just amazing the different visions. larry: i like that very much. he talks a lot about it and he goes on jags and he'll talk about taxes and going on for regulations and victoria, there's an economist and can you deregulate for change? >> supreme court that rule that had congress needs to do their job .x this is very important for us. trump has the greatest policies but if we don't put his policies into laws, we can have the nxt president and the policies won't be sustainable and we need to make sure we have good people and republicans not afraid to put their money where mouths is and actually to govern and deliver on some of the great

policies that he had done whether it's border security growing their economy, energy policy, getting our spending under control and fixing healthcare. we have to grow the backbone and help great leaders like him to deliver for the people. because we can have enormous amount of ingenuity on the ground than i will say the premise that congress has focused and it's just private and i'm help l helpful for our country. larry: molly, last 20 seconds, they should do it all at once. big bang. come at it all at once and go after the alphabet agencies and intel agencies and all these agencies and stand in the way of prosperity. >> one of the thins we saw again in the first trump administration was how much that institutional bureaucracy can resist government and the trump administration and second one understands what a problem the administrative state is and ready to tackle it. larry: varicose veins good, ladies. mollie hemingway and

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larry: choices they want to make or don't make and the biological men should compete with women sports and apparently going for the hot button issue and more. >> it's crazy to normalize this and going for them and should not be competing against their daughters and shouldn't be showering in the girl's locker rooms and gender blocking drugs and sex change operations without notification and again, most americans view that as crazy and the president is normalizing it and it's a real issue to support wisconsin. larry: one businessman yourself and two businessman coming from wisconsin. terrific thing. i'm sorry, we're out of time. thank you for coming on, senator johnson, we'll talk soon.e folks, i'lgol be right back wits my last word. that's a different story.

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larry: donald trump at the chicago economics club today proved that he can deal with a hostile interviewer and number two, he's got a very good pro growth economic plan and that's the key part. and number three, we're going to switch over to liz macdonald right this moment. liz: that was entertained and it was like trump was schooling him. it was fun to watch with you, larry. thanks for a great show and welcome to the evening edit, everybody. i'm elizabeth macdonald.