stuart: today's state capital trivia, what is the capital of pennsylvania? we start with charles smith joining us. >> i believe it is harrisburg. >> growing up in new jersey close to pa, it is harrisburg. stuart: you are not going to step out of line? >> harrisburg. stuart: you are definitely harrisburg, the guy with a british accent knows these things. john harris senior, 1719, named the state capital in 1812. hosted the first national convention for the whig party in 1839. harrisburg is the state capital of pennsylvania. that's it for "varney and company". thanks for being with us. neil: i did not know that pennsylvania had so many distinctions not the least of which is the cheesesteak. no digressing what happening the corner of wall and broad. the catalyst among other things for the dow, chip stocks taking

it on the chin, collapsing oil prices down again today, $70 a barrel, built on optimism whatever the israelis do to respond to to this is rain in missile attack, attacking oil facilities, it or any of that as well as those nuclear facilities, sending a clear message to the markets that the built in fear premium that brought prices to $80 a barrel subsided significantly from that time. that might not all work out but we will see. donald trump in this town hall meeting was riveting especially when you heard him talk about the economy bringing up the issue of slaying the inflation beast by first going after energy, producing more here. not many will argue with that. bottom line is donald trump made clear it will be among his

first priorities to open up for more drilling in this country. oil prices go down, everything should follow. we will follow up on that a little more. to edward lawrence on how all of this is playing out. >> reporter: donald trump talking in front of an entirely female audience for the town hall on fox news which wrapped up. this is a group the former president needs when asked about kitchen table issues and how he would make prices more affordable. >> we have tremendous wealth in this country but it is under our feet, it's called liquid gold and we will bring down your energy costs and with that everything will follow. >> reporter: he believes he can bring back economic prosperity through strength which includes tariffs. the second day he talked about how tariffs, more of an incentive. listen to this. >> the higher the tariff the more likely it is to have them

come in. >> the value of those goods. >> the higher the tariff the more likely it is the company will come into the united states and build a factory in the united states so it doesn't have to pay the tariff. >> he helped develop the tariff strategy, listening. >> he's building on what he learned the first time but it is not known to the public the algorithms used and how focused and how much finesse is involved in these tariffs in 2019-20. and many other countries involved in trade negotiations, that otherwise would not have been made for years. >> reporter: economic prosperity in the tariffs will pay for much of his tax cuts,

others disagree with that. neil: raising this issue of which candidate poses better economic arguments, we will be exploring that with some esteemed guests including from bank of america but the view from the harris campaign, alexis mcadams in pennsylvania. >> vice president kamala harris will be here in a few hours in bucks county, pennsylvania, swing county and very important swing state, she's been here 7 times and she will be back more for the election. we know she is going to hit on a wide range of topics. she sitting down with fox news special reporting are bret baer and she has changed her media strategy, everything from howard stern to the daddy podcast and now she will be on fox news and this is what she

had to say about keeping on topic. >> what do you say to people who say you stay on talking points? >> you are welcome. the reality is there are certain things that must be repeated to ensure that i have everyone know what i stand for and the issues at stake in this election so it requires repetition. >> reporter: some people think it sounds canned. we will see how the interview at 6:00 goes. harris has been here a dozen times and counting in bucks county, she will be in the same spot where president george washington crossed the delaware river in 1776, she chose the spot because it will be about patriotism. she is joined by one hundred republicans who are backing her and not donald trump. this comes as charlemagne the god in that town hall for the radio yesterday asked her about border policies.

>> dozen the biden demonstration have to take some blame? first three years. >> first thing we tried was a bill to fix the broken immigration system. we've been working on it ever since. >> what went wrong? >> here's what has to happen. congress has to act to fix the immigration system. >> reporter: that will be a hot topic but things are close across the country. in pennsylvania 50% for harris, trump at 47% according to the latest siena times college poll. today's event is important, the first time if you can believe this that they have more registered republicans than registered democrats in this county. both candidates are zeroing in here. out here alive after that interview with special report to wisconsin where she's working hard to make inroads with voters.

neil: thank you for that. alexis mcadams in pennsylvania, 19 collect oral votes. the financial titans are weighing in on this election as well. very few necessarily come out for one candidate or another but brian moynahan tipped his hand when looking at the policies. you don't tip your political hand although you've been at events at business roundtable events where donald trump has spoken, jamie dimon and other counterparts, you have also set of president biden, criticizing a lot of his policies as bad for business. do you tip toward donald trump. >> what clients tell us, concerned about overregulation. a lot of deals are held back and people are worried about

getting in the regulatory process. even the developed of energy, whether green energy or regular energy, nuclear facilities, unless permitting takes place. that has got to happen. neil: a battle royal among the business community, not a monolithic community but hinting the less hassle they get from washington the better unless they pay taxes, but that isn't shocking but it is interesting for the banking community looking for the stability in the latest earnings. they are reporting earnings coming out better-than-expected including bank of america, goldman sachs, citigroup, u.s. bancorp among financial titans coming and better than thought. the impact of this, the economic strategist with global

digital finance committee with us as well. the former undersecretary of the army, pennsylvania congressman professor. i enter with you and you and donald trump share having attended a pretty fancy school that only a fraction of people get into. you disagree with things donald trump wants to do and talks about igniting tariffs, he talks as well about cutting taxes beyond bringing back his tax cuts and extending them for years to come. what do you say? >> right up the road, i disagree with him and $8 trillion, we don't talk about that enough.

they had economists, the trump tariffs, and in a recession between this time last year. we need kamala harris to cut the red tape to make sure we are doing what we can to grow the middle class. neil: that hasn't happened. to make some of that stuff happen, the fact of the matter is, it has grown a lot under this president, bill clinton, what are you talking about? >> i'm talking about under donald trump we lost 9 million small businesses, i want to be fair, under kamala harris, 16 small businesses.

veteran orders and people forget the brands were started by veterans, walmart, nike, ralph lauren. when you look at that, when you look at new generational leaders they are supporting people i kamala harris because they don't want overregulation. neil: in the electronic arena they are moving to the right but that could change but let me get your thoughts on a couple things that have been raised with these tariffs, could make an improving situation and reverse its. it. it could get worse. >> there is risk/reward with every policy. a principled man had the unenviable position of trying to defend economic policies that have not worked specifically if you look at the

tariffs or something like solar, canadian solar bringing production back to america and they cited tariffs as one of the leading factors. look at samson bringing back their washing machine manufacturers citing tariffs as being the cudgel that brought them back to the table. you know who agrees with this position? joe biden who left those tariffs in place and raised it. at some point democrats have to stop having their cake and eat it too. either you agree with these policies put forth by donald trump that you left in place to be the wind beneath your wing or going to at least acknowledge we don't like donald trump but he got some things right and the refusal to acknowledge anything under donald trump, we had 7 million jobs precoat and in the aftermath of covid there was a

loss of jobs but most of those jobs are coming back not as a result of what joe biden did but as a result of the critical acute crisis coming to a end. that is the context and that would be a better argument for democrats to make. polls reflect republicans and independents remain skeptical of their proposals. neil: from an economic wall street point of view, markets doing very well, might be achieving a soft landing, not that it helped kamala harris, perception doesn't match the economic rally. we are doing better but americans simply don't buy that and i wonder how that plays out economically whether people begin to act out their fears, start buying fewer things, going to fewer restaurants or when they go there, they don't

get the appetizer, what do you see happening right now? >> i see a very bifurcated economy. you have a wealth effect that has gone up as a result of the stock market, and at the bottom, your increasingly living on credit cards with exorbitant interest rates and living paycheck to paycheck and those of the -- those meatballs are rising where people can't make minimum payments, that's around 14%. it was steadily rising. the question, the gentlemen have given a political perspective, the mechanical perspective, and recession is liquidity. the fed has had record tightening at a record rate and we still have markets flying higher due to high liquidity from covid and fiscal spending. when you look at donald trump,

i am looking at elon musk. i find that a fascinating conversation and iraq and everybody listen to his podcast to see what his plans are and his explanation around that. when you look at state, local, government spending and aggregate, and a figure of 40% of gdp. we have a responsibility to reduce fiscal spending but if you are going to take away 40% of gdp or sizable he reduce it, go someplace else. kamala hasn't been talking about it much recently but there's a floating idea of taxing unrealized gains. if she wins the election and that idea comes around she will probably sell, so they can take their gains at the current rate rather than taxes going up. this is all very mechanical but i will just say generally this

country's balance sheet without the us dollar is the world's reserve currency looks like 1/3 world country as elon musk says. instead of the tit for tat over the shorter term policies, ray dolly a educate all of us, the mechanics of changed after covid or we have a reckoning at some point and i think i would be listening to the candidates from the perspective of avoiding that trajectory. neil: i know you are both coming back and i want to expound on the keen insights you shared. to francis's point the international monetary fund, the united states is in danger of seeing its debt eclipse everything, eclipsed by the money that we are on and that never happened in us history. we will be following that. some are quibbling with the imf. i want to keep you up-to-date

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to dan hoffman, the cia chased -- station chief. i talked to a lot of people in foreign policy. he can explain things that get through my thick skull which is a barometer, the yardstick i use. good to see you. i will ping-pong around my friend to this is really development where we are saying cool it. make sure you boost gaza aid. israel has not denied that or not going to do that but there are various ministers to a man or woman, we are all for doing that but it goes into the wrong hands. what do you make of that. >> the key point i would draw everyone's attention to is the timeline, the letter that secretaries austin and blinken roach to their counterparts in israel saying israel needed to

take action to put access to humanitarian aid and increase the number of humanitarian trucks into gaza by 350 a day. the timeline was 30 days. the biden administration is trying to find the sweet spot to placate their base which is very concerned and rightly so about humanitarian disaster we are seeing in gaza and to a lesser extent of concern in southern lebanon but at the same time not to tie israel's hands as israel amount a counterattack than hezbollah terrorists. neil: the message is cool it. they are not going to cool it. where does this go? >>, israel is in a multi-front war. they've taken the fight effectively to hamas and

hezbollah, they began by inducing the fog of war by targeting hezbollah communications. they gleefully targeted hezbollah leadership and rocket launch sites. israel made clear their goal is to create a buffer zone so the 60, 70,000 israelis forced to evacuate can return and with them, that part of the company. neil: i finished bob woodward's book war. the conversations donald trump had post white house years and donald trump confirmed or denied it, and did just that.

and and that relationship, back into the white house. >> he ascribes to the machiavellian, and i don't put stock in a personal relationship, it does come into play more often. donald trump hasn't commented on those phone calls or what he hoped to achieve strategically. neil: he didn't know that. >> he didn't reveal other he advised the biden administration, to avoid any operational fratricide. he is an expert at playoff democrats against republicans, what he's trying to do since he

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was speaking about political retribution on a national stage. it was very glib and yet he was standing next to a person, a candidate that openly promotes working to normalize that language. >> elon musk is heading back, post on x yesterday said the coastal commission had one job, take care of the california coast. it is illegal for them to make decisions based on what they think are my politics. he went on to call for members of the coastal commission that criticized him to resign and face legal consequences. space x's lawsuit the company claims the commission is engaged in naked political disco nation against plaintiffs space expiration technologies corp. violation of the rights of free speech and due process enshrined in the first, and fourteenth amendments of the united states constitution. musk has been a harsh critic of the golden state.

in 2,020 one he moved total's accorded from silicon valley to austin, texas, space x headquarters from hawthorne, california to starbase texas and most readily move x's headquarters from san francisco to central texas after opposition to a new gender identity law in california. musk does have significant operations in california including the falcon 9 rocket launches at vandenberg space force base near santa barbara. the coastal commission says they have no comment on a lawsuit over increasing launchers. neil: appreciate that. i want to pick scott martin's brain. who cares what his political views are, i could have it wrong, all right so he like donald trump. what does that have to do with rocket launches? >> he is right along with donald trump these days in california is upset about it. everything california seems to do these days is politically

motivated so we shouldn't be surprised. the reality is of this. the defenders of this california coastal commission are talking about the sonic booms being let off, the fact some of the rockets are perceived to be dangerous and it's going to increase traffic. the reality is it is a little of both. they know no better. neil: even if you think that you shouldn't say it. if you are saying we are going to take your contract away are not law allow you to do launchers, raining your business, that is the reason you are citing all but side-by-side, i would think, i'm not a lawyer but i've watched a lot of law shows so i think i qualify you are going a step too far. >> you qualify. it seems ridiculous to mention it given there's a lot of reasons to delay more rockets being launched. it gives musk another platform to talk about it and give donald trump more power to talk

about how the states are still against him, something elon musk can work on going forward to take more business out of california and move it to texas or even stuff on the east coast. lauren: 1 why why have you hear the market, a torrid quarter of last week going 5 or 6 weeks in a row. and entering a third year of a bull market, typically goes 5. 5 years. some more than a decade. where are you on this no matte presidential election, where do markets ago, where do you see this market going postelection into next week? >> economy is stronger than people want to give it credit for. the fact the market has gotten ahead of a economy a little bit means there's some air pockets ahead but we are into the red as far as directionally so the markets to me are great part to get into as far as where they sit if you have a long-term

horizon, one to 2 years but you've got to add money to those dips and sell on the big rallies but if you look at the stocks, investor bases gone outside of tech, great time the good times are, especially in a good seasonal fourth quarter. neil: great catching up with you. a great read of these markets, the economy overall. talk about the overall environment. it is uncanny when we look at mortgage rates going higher and how it affects people applying for mortgages, the higher they go, the fewer people are able or showing any interest in applying for a mortgage but this in his latest sweep, they weren't prepared for that, down 17% after this. ♪ ♪

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it's our son, he is always up in our business. it's the verizon 5g home internet i got us. oh... he used to be a competitive gamer but with the higher lag, he can't keep up with his squad. so now we're his “squad”. what are kevin's plans for the fall? he's going to college. out of state, yeah. -yeah in the fall. change of plans, i've decided to stay local. oh excellent! oh that's great! why would i ever leave this? -aw! we will do anything to get him gaming again. you and kevin need to fix this internet situation. heard my name! i swear to god, kevin! -we told you to wait in the car. everyone in my old squad has xfinity. less lag, better gaming! i'm gonna need to charge you for three people. neil: i love getting lydia here in the flesh to talk about big economic and business development. among them, mortgage rates backing up, not a surprise, also seeing a hit in those applying for mortgages.

charles: they are climbing after a period of falling for a while. we've seen three consecutive weeks continuing to climb and now seeing rates we haven't seen since august. the current average according to bank rate sits at 6.55%. we were at 6.2% last month. in response potential homebuyers are taking a step back. applications are dropping 17% according to mortgage bankers association. refinancing also slowing, demand down 26% week over week. let's turn to a new investigation related to the recent deadly listeria outbreak involving a boers head. the usda optus of inspector general is launching an internal investigation trying to figure out whether federal and state investigators responded appropriately to years of reports that the factory had unsanitary

conditions, mold and insects and dirty equipment. those are the report, this is the largest listeria outbreak in more than a decade involving boar's head liverwurst. ten people died, 59 hospitalized across 19 states. boar's head said it was shutting down the virginia factory indefinitely and also recalled all deli meat made at the factory, 7 million pounds. boar's head says to fox business it is working on correcting course and establishing a boar's head food safety advisory council. lastly i want to bring you this. a new story about stellantis, expanding a factory in mexico to build its best-selling truck, ram 1500. this according to the wall street journal who spoke to people familiar with this matter, this is a big move though it stoked tensions with the united auto workers. the union has long been worried about jobs leaving of the country. investing in this facility in mexico signal jobs would leave.

stellantis is going to continue to make the ramp trucks at a plant near detroit and underscored its plans to invest $35 million at the michigan factory to build ev versions of this model. the news about spanning the factory comes after the stellantis signed a landmark deal with united auto workers, gave union members a huge pay bump, roughly 27% increase according to the union promising billions in investments and at the time analysts warning this massive labor deal that increased wages could cause the company to look elsewhere for cost cutting measures even investing in manufacturing plants outside the united states. are we are. neil: donald trump already said companies the do that are going to get tariff or worse but certainly not going to get his 15% minimum tax. lauren: that would force them to rethink to avoid the tariffs

there, maybe they want to avoid that but here we are. now they are expanding in mexico. neil: back with us, patrick murphy. joe, it is interesting this move on the part of stellantis because they know full well that donald trump is looking at cutting their taxes and not looking kindly at companies that manufacture in this case more abroad. what do you think? >> first and foremost you can always kind of roll things back when things don't go their way and things not going their way looks like kamala harris becoming president and they can credibly go to shareholders, trying to say this is what they believed it to be in the long-term interest of shareholders while hedging their bets in case there's a donald trump presidency. i will say again that we have

to make a decision as a country. do we want cheap goods or quality goods that support american jobs? i think part of the problem that has existed on the left as they want to go into the streets and say no justice, no peace, they want $20 minimum wages but do all of it wearing t-shirts that were sewn together by uighurs in slave labor and vicious dichotomy. you see donald trump gaining so much traction because you have forgotten rural class, forgotten americans that are looking forward to having a president who doesn't just talk about middle-class americans but is going to as he put in policies that make it easier for americans to have the jobs we lost after world war ii. finally begin coming back to the united states. neil: i want to pick your brain on the union relationship with kamala harris because you hear a lot the teamsters are not endorsing one candidate over the other but teamster members

by i think the 3 to 2 margin favored donald trump. that is often the case. not as if that crowd is really galvanized and excited about her. does she need to speak out more about this, manufacturing operations and companies that do that? >> absolutely. my grandfather served in world war ii, came home for decades at supermarkets. she needs to make manufacturing in america and has done it, 642,000 jobs under the chips act. talk about infrastructure, got to make things in america again. donald trump is unhinged. he says the right thing, i will do hundred% tariff on john deere. john deere 75% of john the are manufacturing is in america.

he threatened car company. neil: the biden administration hasn't undone most of those tariffs. this is different, you are quite right. but if they were so aghast you would think they would rollback the ones we already have. >> they haven't. that is one of the reasons we have manufacturing in america. and all the ideas are bad, his ideas now horrible, he is unhinged. americans using military force, he says we the people are more dangerous than china or russia, threatening companies. come en come on, people got to wake up and understand we need a new generation of leaders who make things in america again. he lost manufacturing jobs, she's paying manufacturing jobs, double down on making things in america again if we make the right decision. neil: i will put you down as a maybe on trump. what will be the decider the

next few weeks? something usually swings and opens up, don't know what it might be if it happens at all. >> i believe those undecided voters, however a few they may be since we are looking at an electric divided by 78,000 votes in 2016 and 45 to 48,002,020 but those voters are going to be sitting around the kitchen table asking themselves the question do we feel as if the border is secure? do we feel as if it is rising, people who came to this country illegally that are enjoying better quality-of-life than we are? are we concerned about the fact that people who told him we are going to be the return to normal nation have led to a war in gaza because of policy decisions made here at home, the first war of expansion in europe since world war ii because of decisions made here at home with china trying to close their grip around the entirety of the south china sea. these are things that keep people up at night.

that will be deciding factor which is why i think you see those polling numbers closing as we get closer to november. >> if i could mention, you talk about t-shirts being made in china and absolutely right. but actions speak louder than words. donald trump selling bibles made in china. people say god bless the united states bibles -- neil: that is not what i asked. joe and pat, great job, you are still talking and i'm still going to a commercial.

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out by a tornado. jason gluck is there for a friend ceo who joins us now. it is all, trying to get it built, how are the animals now? >> there is no audio. edward: to can't hear. we will try to work on that. in the meantime the nuts and bolts of that particular story, shelters were destroyed not only his own but others and a lot of animals seen wandering around with no place to go. all the animals have been rounded up. at the shelter where they can find them. i don't know the status whether they are back but i think you are okay with me now. where are the animals at this moment? okay. that's working out well. let me switch gears. i love animals myself.

cats, dogs, they are okay, all these animals are okay. i think they have them accounted for, some of these animals will find homes but the shelter as far as rebuilding efforts in the community rallied around them. we are seeing some buyers at the corner of wall and broad. i'm barking up the wrong tree i guess but take a look, the dow up 257 points. some of these tech stocks taking it on the chin the we might expand, preventing chip sales beyond china, no indication that devon lee going to happen but it was weighing on a lot of chip stocks including nvidia. a lot of them are coming back. there was a separate story a snl was weighing on the chip sector because it's forecasters sales are looking not nearly as robust. the bottom line, all of those who picked up considerably but the major chip players are under duress but even with

their loss, the fact of for the matter is some of these tripled, quadrupled, what is 100 times -- there's a word for that. a lot. it has gone up. we are also following oil because it is dropping again today. it was hovering at $80 a barrel on fears that the war could why didn't israel start attacking iran, oil facilities and the like, no indication that is going to happen. that has taken the fear play out of oil and oil related issues so we are following that as are my friends on "the big money show," taylor riggs and company right now. taylor: we are on it all. i am taylor riggs. brian: i am brian brenberg. jackie: i am jackie deangelis. welcome to "the big money show". we are in the home stretch, the candidates are pulling out all the stops.