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we've also got kamala harris' meltingdown in the bret baier interview -- mel meltdown. but first up, fox news' gillian turner life at the state department -- live at the state department. what can you tell us? >> reporter: the biden administration now has finally confirmed that sinwar is dead. this came many hours after the israelis first notified the biden administration officials here in the u.s. about it. beyond that, u.s. officials are sort of insisting right now they don't know much at all. i just came out of the state county briefing, i asked if they could confirm when sinwar died. in fact, they said they cannot at this time, they deferred us to the israelis. state county spokesperson -- department spokesperson matt miller presumes he died yesterday in the immediate aftermath of that aish s df assault in rafah. i asked if they know who's going to are replace sinwar, again, the answer was early hours now

we don't have any of that information. they said, frankly, no one right now knows who's going to ultimately replace sinwar. take a listen to matt miller in his own words. >> we are just hours after a very significant event. i think we're going of to have to watch and see how things settle before people can make predictions about how the days, weeks and months ahead will play out. one thing we do know for certain is that the world is a better place with sinwar gone from the. and it gives us an opportunity that we didn't have is. >> reporter: is that's great, obviously. the big kahuna question for biden administration officials is what is this going to do for the ceasefire negotiations which, to them, are everything in the war in gaza. vice president harris, when she spoke a few moments ago, said that this could open a new path for the ceasefire negotiations to ping again. they've been stalled -- pick up again. they've been stalled completely,

larry, for about a month now. but it looks like without knowing yet who's going to replace sinwar, not necessarily any chance to the accompany hope. larry? larry: gillian, thank you very much. appreciate it, we really do. all right, folks, bibi netanyahu called it light is prevailing over darkness. that's the subject of the riff. ♪ larry: bibi's phrase is a good way to portray the death of the hamas leader and terrorist who was killed yesterday byes reilly forces. sinwar was the architect of the despicable, murder if rouse massacre at the international music festival last october 7th, 2023. he was killed by israeli soldiers operating in gaza. his death was confirmed through forensic tests including dna and dental a checks. the world is a much better place for this, but the war is not over. there still may be about a

hundred hostages including americans in captivity. there are still two top hamas leaders living in exile in qatar including sinwar's deputy. and if qatar was truly an american friend, they would arrest these men, hand them over to israel where they could be brought to justice, and that could conceivably end the war. but here's something that will not end the war. the biden-harris administration insisting that israel transfer even more aid to gaza even though at least half if not much more of these aid trucks are immediately commandeered by hamas. and regarding the u.n. refugee relief, there's plenty of evidence that many, if not most of those people, are either hamas or hamas sympathizers. but the key point as i've said over and over again is the u.s. administration should stay out of israel's way.

if -- israel is winning, and biden-harris should let them go on to winning. let the idf do best what the ikf does best. -- idf does best. they're wiping out hamas, they're wiping out hezbollah, and they are likely the hit iran, the head of the snake, by attacking iranian military installations. give the idf all the rope it needs. they will save america and all civilized people from themselves. and we will thank israel before long for doing it. and that's tonight's riff. all right. joining me now is a great friend, david friedman, former u.s. ambassador to the israel. david, or welcome. thank you for coming on. your early thoughts on the killing of sinwar. >> well, we condition underestimate its importance -- can't underestimate its importance, larry, and thanks for having me. the war could not end without the e elimination of sinwar.

it does mean that the war because end, but we're further along. you know, you just made a point about, about the united states' pressure on israel with regard to humanitarian aid and about the failures of the u.n. what i just learned a couple of seconds ago, and and nothing illustrates better the failure of the u.n. in gaza and the fact when they just discovered the bodyguard next to sinwar when he was killed. this was just a few hours ago that sipwar was killed. you know what his occupation was? an unrwa teacher. that was his occupation. larry: wow. >> can't think of a more compelling fact than the failure of the u.n. in this place than that. so, look, it's great. whether it opens up an opportunity for a hostage deal, it might. bibi just made an announcement a few minutes ago that whoever's holding the hostages, if they

turn them over and lay down their arms, they will not be harmed. so, you know, this is something he could not have said to to sinwar, i mean, israel is not going to tolerate sinwar, you know, being sent on a trip off to tunis or someplace like that. but now that he's done -- gone, it may create some space, but it's very dynamic. it's certainly a positive move for israel. and i thank you for what you said, because it really is the most important point here. israel is teaching the world how to win a war against terrorists. and the u.s. continues to try to force israel to play to the tie just the way they're kind of funding, you know, ukraine to play to a tie. you don't tie terrorists. you have to beat them. and israel, whether it's in hezbollah which they've almost entirely decapitated, or hamas or iran that they're taking on, israel is showing the world how to beat terror. and best thing that could happen is for america to let them win. march yeah. the --

larry: yeah, the civilized world will eventually thank israel profusely for what they're doing even hoe we seem to be cluttering it up too frequently. you've got a couple of sinwar deputies or hamas commanders that are in qatar. now, if they are our friend, why don't they arrest them? just arrest them, send them over to the israel, let 'em go on trial in israel and so forth and so on. why is qatar harboring these a hamas criminals and terrorists? >> well, there's in good reason to do that. the argument in the past was qatar can be a mediator, and they can exercise their influence over, you know -- hania went off to tehran where the israelis killed him. with sinwar gone, i don't think anybody left in qatar has any influence or ability. again, hamas if has been decapitated.

there's no command and control. they're just a bunch of people running it and there's, unfortunately, maybe as many as a hundred hostages who are, you know, in harm's way. israel's going opinion to have to solve this problem on -- going to have to solve this problem on its own, and if qatar would help but putting pressure on, that would help get the hostages out of harm's way. larry: the game is coming to an end, you're quite right. the head of the snake, iran, the head of the snake, israel has designs on, i think, military field, attacking military fields, maybe command and control structures. if you believe what you read, they're not going to go after the oil fields, not necessarily going to go after the nuclear, no the nuclear processes, the nuclear facilities. but they may go after various command and control centers on the ground, training centers. do you reckon that's the next step for israel in i mean, as i of said -- israel? as you have said, iran is the head of the snake, and

something's got to be done there because they are, in a sense, the root of all evil. >> they are. now, their proxies have been weakened dramatically. hezbollah was a huge proxy for iran. as i said, they're probably at 30% capacity. but iran is still going to fund all this malign activity. what israel has to figure out is what to do now, and then the question is who's going to win the election. that is an absolutely critical data point for israel because if trump wins, they will have, i think, a much broader runway, and they'll have a partner in america which they don't have right now. they'll have a partner in america to reimpose massive sanctions which you obviously well aware of -- you're obviously well aware of from your days in government. they'll have a massive opportunity to to weaken iran, bankrupt them and ultimately, i think, end their nuclear ambitions. it's not going to happen under harris. so the question for them to do as much as they can right now with an uncooperative american administration and then see what

happens. the real important actions against iran may have to wait until after the election and, hopefully, with an outcome that allows israel the really take on iran. larry: have you spoken to the prime minister netanyahu in the last few hours? >> no, i haven't. i don't like to bother people when they're in the midst of things like this, so i haven't, but i hope to catch up with him in the next day or two. larry: i'm just thinking, they will continue the sweep through southern gaza. i don't know, you know, this business -- just last thought here, david friedman. i don't understand, you know, the idea of giving hamas more aid, first of all. who is hamas at this point? and second of all a, we know in the past that it's hamas sympathizers from the u.n. refugee fund and so forth. i don't even know who -- i mean, who are they giving it to? what is -- the the whole thing has now changed.

what they've done, what the idf has done throughout northern and southern gaza, what they've done to the command and control, what they've done by knocking off sinwar, i don't know who's getting this aid. what is the point of this? -- of that? >> look, there really isn't any point. it's claim -- political. it's an attempt to show folks in michigan who care about this in different ways that this is -- they're doing something. hamas steals all of the aid anyway. inside of gaza, look, i just checked the recently, inside of gaza there's 12 the bakeries. they bake over 3 million loaves of pita bread every day. i i mean, no one is starving. nobody would want to live there right now, but no one is starving. it's a difficult place to live, but the sooner the war ends, the quicker you can start getting people back on hair feet. and as long as you prolong this war by giving lifelines to hamas, you're not helping anybody. larry: yes, that's it.

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larry: all right. kamala harris had a meltdown in her interview with bret baier last night. best way i can describe it. fox news' peter doocy live from the white house with kind of a wrap-up. it's a wrap-up or a wrap-down or something. >> reporter: the newsiest part of this interview with the vice president, her first formal sit-down with fox, is her declaration for the first time that despite recent assurances to various or interviewers that she agreed with every single thing president biden has ever done since taking office, she would actually be different than the president. >> let me be very clear, my

presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency. and like every new president that comes in to office, i will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences and fresh and new ideas. e represent a new generation of leadership. >> reporter: and that's as much of a split between harris or and biden as we have seen since july since he said she was dropping out and endorsing her. and something else from this interview that 7.1 million people watched last night on "special report," despite bret baier's best efforts with direct questions, the vice president is still dancing around questions about whether or not she ever noticed president biden slipping before he droned out. dropped out. >> when did you first notice that president biden's mental faculties do a appeared diminished? >> joe biden, i have watched in from the oval office to the situation room, and he has the judgment and the experiment --

and experience to do exactly what he has done in making very important decisions on behalf of the american people. joe biden -- >> no concerns -- >> bret, joe biden's not on the ballot -- >> i understand, but you or -- >> -- and donald trump is. >> reporter: is we with still don't have insight into exactly what she knew and when. and vice president harris, after that interview, has as busy a day on the campaign trail as she has had since july when she became the de facto democratic nominee. she's got a bunch of stuff domestically. president biden just landed, air portion one just landed in berlin, germany, where he goes to -- hopes to talk to the germans about making sure the weapons support keeps going into ukraine even once he is gone. regardless of who follows him, either harris or trump. larry. >>? larry: peter doocy, thank you. we appreciate it very, very much. joining us now to talk some more about the great bret baier interview, we have senator tommy tuberville from the great state

of alabama. senator tuberville, sir, as always, welcome. i just want to -- we're going to play a couple quick clips for you, but i assume you saw it or saw part of this interview. one of the most disturbing parts, i think, to me, is that she lost her cool. there was a temperament thing that you always look for in presidential candidates no matter how, you know, how hot it may be in the kitchen. you're supposed to keep your cool. and i think she lost her cool. i think she blew up, basically, at bret baier last night. i don't know if you see it the same way or, you know, you've within around these things or -- been around these things for a long time or you have a different take. >> no, i totally agree with you, larry. she came across last night as a crazed, like a crazy ex-girlfriend. [laughter] and the only thing that we learned was how obsessed, absolutely on to accessed she was with donald trump. there was no policies. i listened to everything she said about immigration.

i've been going through all of this for four years in the senate and is listen to all these lies and things that they supposedly have done. there wasn't one true thing she said about immigration. and i think she's just totally out of touch, and she tries to listen to everybody on her side about, hey, listen, try to switch everything back to donald trump, don't say anything, blame him. play the blame game again. it's not going to work. larry: yeah. here comes the clip9. -- clip. this is early in the interview regarding the number of illegal migrants released into the u.s. take a listen, please, sir. >> how many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three and a half years? >> well, i'm glad you raised the issue of immigration, because i agree with you -- >> yeah, but just a number. do you think it's 1 million, 3 million? >> bret, let's just get to the point, okay? the point is that we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired. >> so rough still of 6 million

people have been released into the country. now, let me just finish. i'll get to the question -- >> i was beginning to the answer. larry: so that's, you know, that's a very odd concern she just wouldn't deal, i mean, bret's asking it six different ways. she doesn't want the deal with it at all. and i want to just read you, this is a quote from alex -- alejandro mayorkas, right? obviously, homeland security secretary. march 1st, 20211, senator. march 1st, 202211. so they're just barely in office. quote with, we are dedicated to achieving and, quite frankly, working around the clock to the replace the cruelty of the past administration. the cruelty of the past administration with a orderly, humane and safe immigration process. end quote. then that was right at the time that they canceled all 94 executive orders that former

president trump had issued. now, those are factoids. i'm not making this stuff up. i'm not making the quote up, and i'm not making up the cancellation of 94 executive the orders and at least 10 million illegals have come across the line, probably more than that. so she has to -- it seems to me, no matter how vitriolic she is against mr. trump, she still has to deal with these facts that are seemingly so unpopular in this election, senator. >> well, she's not going by any facts, larry, ever since she's been running for this office for, what, 60, 65 days. they've told her don't give any numbers out, just flip everything back the donald trump, about how all these problems were happening before they took office. they created these problems. i went to the border in march of 2032 the 1 right after they took over -- 2021, and ted cruz and myself along with mike lee, we went down and we looked at these cages that they had all these kids in that were just absolutely stacked up like cord

wood. -- cordwood. they care nothing about a these kids. kamala harris and joe biden have lied to the american people, larry, for the last three and a half years. it has been an absolute disgrace, and it is going back the what you talked about in the previous session segment about -- segment about this hamas leader being killed. we should be in def con 1 because they have let terrorists in the that's three and a half years, and the american people are in trouble because of this. larry: yeah. let me play -- here's some more about reversing trump border policies, senator. take a listen, please. >> when you came into office, your administration immediately reversed a number of trump border policies. so, looking back, do you reget the decision to terminate -- regret the decision to terminate remain many mexico at the beginning of your administration? >> the first bill, practically within hours of taking the oath, was a bill to fix our immigration system. >> yes, ma'am, it was called the

u.s. citizenship act of 20232 the 1 -- >> exactly. >> but -- >> may i? >> you had the white house and the house and the senate -- >> i'm in the middle of or -- larry: see, this one baffles me because the bill that she's talking about, as bret baier explained but she, i guess, listened or didn't want to listen or already knew, that wasn't a bill to close the border, that was a bill to open the border and expand citizenship roles. and even her own party, which had three houses at that point, was not in favor of it. i mean, that's just, i don't know, untruthful, cognitive dissonance? i don't know what the polite phrase is, senator untherville, but she sure wasn't speaking the truth -- senator tuberville. >> no, she lied about that, and i don't think she knew what was going on. i don't think she was too much around the things that were happening, especially what was going on in the senate, larry. there was no bill. you have to remember like bret baier said, they had the house, the nat and the white house. they could have done mig they wanted, brought it to the floor.

the only bill that we've seen is the one that mcconnell put together, you know, with tim lankford or james lankford and we voted it down because it was a disaster bill. it would is have codified everything that they had done the last three year, and is we obviously didn't want that. but, no, i -- sometimes it sounds like she doesn't know what's going on or what has really happened. he hasn't a really studied it. but i'm telling you, there's been nothing done about immigration in the last four years that the biden-harris administration even thought about stopping or trying to correct. larry: that bill that she always refers to which was an election year ploy, it wasn't trump who killed that bill. they're already a bunch of republican senators who were against that bill. if there are democratic senators who were existence that bill, probably for different -- against that bill, probably for different reasons. and that bill would have allowed roughly, i'm going to just do this in round numbers, that bill would have allowed roughly 2 million illegals coming in every year in that bill, codified,

probably a bigger number because it didn't include people being airlifted in the way they've been doing that. so over a period of four years, that would have been another 8-10 million illegals, so what's so great about that bill in the first place? >> well, the one thing that really got me, larry, just reading it when i got to the point in the bill that said we will continue to fund sanctuary cities -- larry: yes. >> -- game, set, match for me. and then almost a how more lawyers that were being sent to the border to be able to enhance the release of immigrants into our country. it was the -- had nothing to do with really about stopping anything at the border, it was making it easier for them to come in the country and funding them once they got here. we're spending billions a month just to keep them in this country. march a lahr game, set, match on sanctuary cities. they will not be able to to return criminals back to the to the border authorities to send them back home. that's so important. you hit the nail on the head. that's such an important point

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♪ larry: kamala harris snubbing catholic voters by skipping the al smith dinner tonight. fox news' brian yen, nas live from new york city -- bryan llenas. bryan, you going to be there?

[laughter] >> reporter: yeah, but i'm up in the bleacher seats. i'm sure you're down there with the vips. yes, vice president kamala harris snubbing the al smith dinner. this is a charitable dinner for the catholic charities that is set to raise some $9 million here tonight. harris becoming the first presidential candidate in 40 years not to attend the al smith if dinner. now, her campaign says that that's because she is maximizing her time to go to battle ground states in what is a close election. she is in wisconsin today. so instead of getting a repeat of that infamous if, famous 2016 al smith dinner when trump and hillary clinton showed up to the dipper and exchanged funny and sometimes harsh one-liners, tonight trump has the stage all to himself. new york's cardinal timothy dolan, he says harris has turned in pre-recorded remarks that'll be played on video. but he expressed in his podcast

that he's disappointed that harris is a no-hoe for tonight saying that tonight is supposed to be about civility, patriotism and unity. >> we're upset that she didn't comp because it -- we've missed an evening to accent something sorely needed now that even she articulates rather eloquently, that we've got to turn the page on bitterness. and the al smith if dinner traditionally trieds to do -- tries to do that. >> reporter: the catholic church is against abortion and ivf, both have become top campaign issues. and trump's co-campaign manager, he suggestedded the on fox that harris isn't showing up in part because of her pro-abortion stance. >> it's 100% a shot at catholics. you can't take a look at it any other way. if you look at it as a body of work and her positions and what she's done in the past, it's 100% that.

>> reporter: of course, trump takes the stage today as minute who obviously has overturned roe v. wade but has also said that the states, some states have gone too far with too restrictive abortion laws. bottom line though, larry, is dolan a made another good point. this is new york, and democrats and republicans are going to be here, not just catholics, and there are a lot of competitive congressional races in this state that could decide which party gets power in congress. harry? -- larry? larry: yeah. bryan llenas, thank you very much, we appreciate it. for more, let's bring in byron york, the washington examiner, fox news contributor, and katie pavlich, editor at townhall.com and also a fox news contributor. welcome to both of you. i mean, katie, one point here i- [laughter] kamala harris is in trouble with catholic voters in general. we've talked about. >> uh-huh. larry: and crazy things like gretchen whitmer with this dorito for commune communion

which was a direct affront to the catholic church, there are other issues, chasing after of the little sisters of the poor. there's a whole variety of things. we had a jim nicholson on who was a former ambassador to the vatican, we've had newt gingrich whose wife chris that was a former ambassador. she's got trouble with catholics. then they think it's a better use of her time to be someplace else. i'm not so sure about that, and i think this video is going to the raise the profile of her not being there. what do you think? enter yeah, exactly. -- yeah, exactly. absent from the room is what that video will highlight. just show up if you're going to be there rather than sending it in. phoning it in, really. this says that she does need to be in other places that are competitive like pennsylvania and other swing states because she has not even hock locked down the coalitions that she needs to beat donald trump in those states. the other thing is she just doesn't like catholics that much. if you look at her record as u.s. senator, as the attorney general of california, she went

after pro-life groups, she went after catholic charities. as a senator, she was vicious towards catholic judicial nominees that came in front of her when she was on the senate judiciary committee. she has a long record of persecuting catholic charities and california licks. you mentioned the little sisters of the poor. she's supported legislation that would force them to engage in providing things like contraception, and she wanted to force pro-life groups and crisis pregnancy centers to post abortion services on their web site. and then finally, you know, i just don't think that she can really take a joke. they tonight want any more humiliating clips going around the internet of kamala harris, especially after last might, and this would be something she couldn't quite handle in terms of the jokes that may be told about her. larry: boy, yeah. she lost her cool with bret baier. you can argue yes or no substantively, but she lost her cool with bret baier. byron york, weigh in on this if you want to add to the what

katie talked about a, but you're also writing there's been a big campaign shift in the final weeks. you kind of see it in the polls, but it's almost something you sense. and i wanted to hear you talk about that. i haven't seen you in a week or two. what is this campaign shift as you read it, byron? >> well, first of all, on the al smith dinner, 25% of the electorate in 20220 the was catholic -- 2020, and joe biden, who is himself catholic, won by 52 2-47%. now we have the best polling i've just seen from pew has donald trump a aahead 52-47 over kamala harris. it's not a good idea to alienate anybody, especially in a really large group that you need. as far as the momentum in the election, i think we have seen, oh, in the past 10 days now a shift in the polls toward trump, especially in the national polls. and what that suggests is that

there's almost kind of a resting normal for this race, and that's with donald trump with a really small but clear lead. if you remember after joe biden drops out, there's this huge boost, this bump, this sugar high for kamala harris. about when it's beginning to wear off comes the convention. she gets another week of celebration, and there's another bump for her. it keeps her up a little bit. and then when that's about the wear off comes the debate. donald trump has a really bad debate. she's not that great, but it's a lot better than trump. shes has benefit from that -- she has benefit from that. but now we've gotten to the period where that has worn off a, and there's nothing really on the horizon. there's always unpredictable events, but there's nothing like a convention or debate to change that. larry: well, katie pavlich, i want to try to combine these two things because, you know, talking about her weakness with

catholic voters and talking about the momentum shift byron is referring to, correct me if i'm wrong, but these industrial states are top-heavy catholic states, aren't they? i mean, historically they are. >> yeah. [laughter] larry: pennsylvania, michigan -- >> they are. larry: i mean, this couldn't be -- these are the worst states. if you go down south, the concentration of catholic vote, i think, is far less thans it is in the older -- than it is the in the older northern, blue collar-type states. so in some sensuous this is going to add -- sense, this is going to add, her troubles with catholic voters play into the shift in momentum that byron's talking about which probably cover cans over things. and, katie, i don't think she did herself any good with bret baier last night. you tell tell me. >> well, the finger wagging towards the end of the very short interview which they, you know, didn't hold up their end of the deal on did not come off well. but to byron's point, the al smith dinner could have been an

event that gave her more exposure in a way that she can reintroduce herself yet fen the to the american people, to the catholic voters that, as you say, take up a lot of the voting population in these states that she needs to win. but in politics, and if you looking at -- working on a campaign, you have to look at the is the risk greater than the award -- reward, and here clearly they think it's not worth the reward. cheerily, they also think they're going to get something out of this by doing a video, but it just seems like it's a poor effort to the kind of change your mind when you're starting to realize that maybe you should have showed up and not broken tradition, what dates back to 1984. larry: they could have hired some clever hollywood writers to gin up something -- >> yes! they'd do it for free. larry: this is not hard, for heaven sakes. hillary did it years ago. it's not hard. all right. byron, you're writing aboutprint's gaffe admitting -- bill clinton's gaffe admitting

about the tragic murders not just of riley, but also some of the others. i want to play bill clinton's sound and then have you two comment on this. >> you've got a case in georgia not very long agoing, didn't you in -- ago, didn't you? about a young woman who'd been killed by an immigrant? yeah. well, if they'd all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't have happened. larry: bringing up laken riley like that which, of course, hearkens back to some of the other tragic deaths of these young women, to me, kind of blows out or just blows up or deflates the kamala harris arguments about immigration. and what the democrats did or did not do three and a half years ago and what they want to do now and what they're doing -- i mean, there it is. he wouldn't address that the when bret baier asked her about it, but what do you think? >> no, absolutely. blew it up. this was a, from clinton this

was a classic washington gaffe, the definition of a washington gaffe being when a politicians the tells the truth. something that's obviously true, but you're just not supposed to say it. and so of all people, bill clinton comes out and tells the truth. and this is something that everybody knows that letting in millions of people who cross the border illegally, allowing them the say without vetting can have disastrous result, and that's what a we've seen in the cases of some of these crimes. but as you mow and you saw it again with the bret baier interview, kamala harris insists that there were a couple of bills that had been introduced that, had they been passed, would have solved this whole problem. and it's the republicans' fault. and in the second bill, donald trump's fault specifically that they didn't pass these bills and, therefore, the problem was not solved. and what bill clinton did, basically, was say, look -- and

in these three and a half years that we've had if they had properly vetted the people who were crossing the border -- larry: right. >> -- laken riley and others would still be alive. larry: they'd be alive, there's no question. katie, last 20 seconds. by the way, those bills at the beginning of the administration, they would have increased citizenship. >> yes. larry: i'll just give you 20 seconds. everybody knows this. go ahead and finish if this off a. >> it's such a false premise if to say that the legislation they introduced would somehow fix the border. what they did was take back all the executive orders that president trump put in place to to stop people crossing the border. millions came in. they betrayed the americallowinf people unvetted into the country. we don't know who they are, they're committing crimes and now their friends in the media are downplaying and saying, well, it's only just a few apartment complexes being taken over by foreign, dangerous gangs. only a few hotels in new york city. some people are paying the price for it?

oh, well, that's the cost of mass amnesty and a permanent power for democrats in this country. that that's where they are on this. larry: all right. thanks ever so much, katie halve limp, byron york. see you soon. coming up next, all these countries with their unfair trading practices are ripping us off. all right? is america supposed to sit back and do nothing the about it? i don't think so. we're going to talk to my pal charlie gasparino next up, right charlie gasparino next up, right here on set. "kudlow." on have sal onpas. ♪ ♪ ♪ hisamitsu ♪

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you and kevin need to fix this internet situation. heard my name! i swear to god, kevin! -we told you to wait in the car. everyone in my old squad has xfinity. less lag, better gaming! i'm gonna need to charge you for three people. larry: so front page of "the wall street journal" scare score today online on donald trump tariffs by columnist -- never mentions this, okay? the e.u. has average tariffs 50% higher than the u.s. china's tariffs are more than twice as high as the u.s.. vietnam's tariffs, three times as high. brazil's tariffs are three and a half times as high. of india's tariffs are over five times as high, and the world trade organization permits them to do this. so i just ask, is america supposed the sit back and do nothing with these unfair trading practices aimed at us, or donald trump exactly right to

pursue reciprocity with the use of tariffs to negotiate a more competitive, level playing field? or sorry to be so long, charlie gasparino -- >> well, well,s you gave me a chance to get my tie straight. larry: so that's good. a small public service. seriously, the public doesn't see that these tariffs are way higher than our tariffs, and we're being taken for suckers. >> yeah. my old colleague greg ip -- larry: and he's not a bad guy. i don't mean to attack him, but he's neglected the put those numbers there. >> yeah. i mean, listen, there is a free market impulse that you used to have -- larry: i still do! -- >> that tariffs are bad and once we go there, tit for tat, we're going to stoke inflation, essentially. it does leave out the fact that the u.s. has always been not -- has never been in the driver's seaten on this tariff debate. we've always a been the ones

pushing for free markets, and everybody else takes their pound of flesh out of us. i'm not saying i agree with j.d. vance and donald trump on this, but they do make a compelling point when they point out exactly what you just pointed out -- [laughter] which is it's so unfair. china is playing with, you know, what they call a loaded deck here, you know? taking advantage -- larry: a stacked deck. >> against us. the europeans, the same way. and they screw us in so many different ways. this is, i think, part of trump's appeal. trust me, me and copped, we knock heads every now and then -- me and donald -- but i'll tell you this, larry. you know, he, one of the sort of best parts about his platform is he points out constantly just how many ways we get screwed by our friends and some of our mono-friends. we pay -- non-friends. we pay the defend all of europe. how much do they pay in europe? larry: that's right. >> on top of us defending them, they hit us with tariffs.

by the way, given how much money we spend defending them, there should be no tariffs on that. i'm sure donald trump would agree with that. you know, i think if donald trump's enstints are -- instincts are we're going to use tariffs as a lever, as a way the push back -- >> larry: right, to level the playing field. >> i don't think greg ip if or anybody else can legitimately attack that. that is not, that, to me, is logic. larry: right. >> you know what i'm saying? larry: what he's saying is reciprocity means through negotiations and tariffs are part of negotiations, bring your tariffs down -- >> right. larry: -- and then we won't tariff you, right? >> right. larry: that's the key to free trade. >> and if you're a multi-national company, bring your jobs here -- larry: by the way. yeve tt. >> i love my friends at the "wall street journal" editorial -- larry: i love charlie gasparino, always have, always will. check out his book, go woke, go

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