one world government have the version of it and mine but the way you lay it out were running out of time i get to say congratulations by the way the wedding cake says it all, congratulations, thank you so much. bitcoin we have proof of work that was my proof of love i met my husband through bitcoin we grew up and did not know it and we were brought together by bitcoin many years later it was a fun weekend. charles: we will talk about that next time we see you, you have an absolutely amazing and at the forefront of this, congratulations and god bless your marriage. >> thank you so much i appreciate it. the market is struggling but maybe liz claman can change that. >> if i had a slice of the cake is there any left over. it looks so good. >> what the hell. model cost, congratulations, warning lights a few on the market dashboard as we kick up

the final hour of trade, the losses does not mean the car is about to stall, the majors are close to records both the dow and s&p closed at all-time highs on friday and you have the dow pulling back by three to 75 points. just under 1% we have the s&p lower by a third of 8% or 22 points the nasdaq down 13, they've all been in the green at one point or another the russell was flat but the russell down 34-point it's a big percentage loser down 1.5% we have four blue chips in the green, for leaders of boeing unitedhealth, apple and chevron, cisco slipping from a one-year high earlier some of the other names in the red also hit franchise including honeywell and mcdonald's which clocked an intraday record of $317 before recoiling to 14 and change, the 1% hit that disney is taking

newsbreak in the mouse house has taken a mouse size step toward her succession plan, james gorman has been tapped to chair the board will current ceo bob iger's replacement will be announced early 2026, charlie gasparino is coming up on what it all means to disney shareholders in the short-term and the long-term. in the meantime the earnings calendar is stuffed to the gills with names that serves as sector bellwether, they are the ones that have the power to move markets depending on their reports, they include software sap "after the bell" and tuesday verizon, gm, ge aerospace lockheed martin and aero act, wednesday can make a huge difference if you want to talk bellwether at&t, ibm not to mention tesla, tesla's big one and by the way ibm close to a record ups union pacific american airlines, honeywell they flush out the rest of this

week, this could be the reason they ducked into a cave, the ten year yield lasted power .1% for the first time since july, right now were .184. while were added look at the two-year the two-year mears federal reserve policy it is about 4% at 4.03, we are two weeks away, two weeks a day away from the start of the fed meeting from the big moment there, the fed meeting for november the market has lost more confidence at the rate cut cycle is still as strongly and play and they see the odds of no interest-rate move on november 6 at 15%, just on friday they stood at 10% keep in mind if the fed were to pause it would only be because that they're worried because economy is so strong in the labor department of labor pictures so strong it could reignite inflation what is it mean for your portfolio, let's

get to the floor show kenny polcari and alan napping, you talk about shocks you and lori logan the dallas fed president saying that we could cease shocks in both direction that could alter the outlook and goldman sachs say the annual returns that the s&p has said on the last ten years will be no more, golden says i'll be sliced under 3%, what would you think is behind that and do you agree with it. >> i don't agree it's an impressive call and you talked about rates coming down let's remember 5% a year ago right now in our down a 4% range where we will be in 2024 if you look to the end of 2025 we are going to be data 3%, the question where is money going to go the money in the savings account is

getting 5% were to be back to normal where interest rates are going to be low money has to go somewhere and earnings growth in written and everything will market, it's a matter of time before the nasdaq with a all-time high and a full view recovery on the nasdaq like liberty seen in s&p and dow targets about 20% above. liz: there is a big swath between 3% gain over ten years annualized in a bull market party, where you stand. alan i love you but i don't see how rates can continue to go lower like you said to 4% to 3% over the next couple of years look with the bond market is telling you the 10% yield up into the trendline of 4.71% look what's happening to the market republicans or democrats spending way too much money

causing janet yellen to bring more supplies to the market and it's going to bring pressure on the bond market and yield will stay elevated their going to take off but i don't think they go to 3% i was in your camp and i thought maybe yes and i'm changing my mind which is why i think we could see the market have a little bit of a lid on it that i don't think it's going to 3% the way goldman sachs. liz: i don't if the crowds agree but we hear them scream let's get a sense of where the money flows even if the goldman sachs call might be sort of in the range, they said the strategist said if the mag seven continue to power this market higher than even so the return would be about 7% annualized over ten years. nvidia is a great example everyone was complaining when nvidia was too strong and too weak now it strong again it has gone back all the losses and now it will move up to 180 and if

you can google on board that's 10% of the nasdaq it's ready to run once again look at the earnings growth numbers they are coming out solid. overall market in general you obviously have to be selective, when i was talking about was talking about the short-term rates they will bring those down and i will take the money down of the savings account people will get nothing like they were used to for many years this was a gift in the last year that 5% was a gift for people now they will scratch their heads. liz: is a rate cut cycle still on track. >> we said at the beginning maybe there is a no movement in november and by the way i'm in the camp i think they were too aggressive in september and i think there's a good shot that they come out and vaguely get to nikki tim rose at the wall street journal after the quiet period. i think in november the stock

would be a rate cut i think the end up doing nothing in november. >> were getting something by the end of the year, for sure. >> if we get something, the ego data has to show that the labor market in fact is weakening and i'm not sure that we will see that. liz: we have lower rates but strong earnings, again ibm really interested to see what they report on wednesday. it'll be so fascinating to see where investors feel they have the most chance of grabbing yield if they cannot get any more, and the money market funds in the short term t-bills. what do you think? >> go ahead. >> money has to go somewhere. where is it going to go i think it's going to go into the second derivative trade intact the cisco, the s&p, the sap, the oracle, the cisco are going to be names that will be benefited in the second cycle of the anti-revolution and if rates

really are going to go lower people will move into the high dividend paying names in the utility names because they pay well and give a full year to the market. you have the final word. >> under each sector they haven't participated in the valley in the last two years there is a lot of value in that could lift a lot of boats, one energy sector starts to play ball, the hallmark is in a bull market. liz: with biddable market for quite some time i'm looking at the vix is below 19 no fear in the market, something could happen one of these days. it might not be pretty but it's a buy opportunity, great to see you, thank you for joining us activist investors have decided they see beauty and consumer health company kenvue beauty that is more than skin deep, the pair company of neutrogena and aveeno rising to the top of the

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it's our son, he is always up in our business. it's the verizon 5g home internet i got us. oh... he used to be a competitive gamer but with the higher lag, he can't keep up with his squad. so now we're his “squad”. what are kevin's plans for the fall? he's going to college. out of state, yeah. -yeah in the fall. change of plans, i've decided to stay local. oh excellent! oh that's great! why would i ever leave this? -aw! we will do anything to get him gaming again. you and kevin need to fix this internet situation. heard my name! i swear to god, kevin! -we told you to wait in the car. everyone in my old squad has xfinity. less lag, better gaming! i'm gonna need to charge you for three people. liz: breaking his perplexity a.i. is under fire at this hour news corporation that owns dow jones and the new york post filed a lawsuit in the last couple of hours into a.i. firm

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includes 0 tech and motrin, the underperforming beauty portfolio that counts neutrogena, clean and clear among their brands, the stock price that's an issue as well that's why activist get in there prior to today's game kenvue were flat year-to-date. meanwhile activist investor battle well of an activist investor battle is well underway as southwest airlines and could soon see an actual truce activist elliott management has proposed a framework that would give the representation on southwest board but not total control the possible settlement could help southwest avoid a proxy fight, southwest is losing about 2% on the session, were b parker, the shares of the prescription eyeglasses make her gaining 7.5% after goldman sachs upgraded the stock from a bike to a neutral, goldman upped its

price target toward be from 18 to 15 it is at 1750 right now. the stock is done pretty well this year up 24%, the power of the golden rating works both ways, winter apparel canada goose is heading south 7% shares are lower after goldman downgraded the stock to a cell from a neutral goldman cut the price target to $9 per share from 1150 and plying more downside ahead the stock is at 10.46, canada goose which run a thousand bucks were popular in the chinese strong economy with a high-end consumer snapping them up, as we know china is struggling with this economy right now, corporations across the nation now demanding more from that employees return to the office, our workers actually clocking in on-site and new report says no we will ask scott

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our buildings when it comes to boots on the ground people returning to work not to say there returning to work. >> you take places like l.a. or washington and some of the other spots it's been much more difficult in new york because with the banking sector and that force people back to work early and we seen a total return to work back to 90% of where we werethroughout the whole city ad even in terms of living downtown, the vacancy rate for residential is what and how% the streets are active in the stores that were closed down for a half years later are reopened with new restaurants in new merchandising opportunities in retail opportunities, new york is back in a big way but it's doing much better than the rest of the country, i speak to a lot of ceos and places like boston and they're trying to get people to come back two days a week, three days a week but they're starting to enforce it and things like amazon that is critical, that just sets the

tone and what they start doing is sending reports to their miniatures because people have to swipe and who's been in the office and they're starting to get people to be accountable for meeting this. liz: maybe i'm a good stuebe but when the boss is getting three days a week we've been back here for quite some time. i follow with the boss says but the newer buildings can check you have the swiping where you enter the building and you can see is coming in and who is not why are they doing more of that and having the guys who run the buildings implement that. >> one thing when you get people back to the office of the workplace, they realize how much they were missing not be in the office, i was with one of our clients last week who had taken the full floor and when people saw how great the floor was they took another floor they wanted to bring everyone back people wanted to come back you need to have the leadership at the top of the leadership of the middle-management, the young people really like the energy and they know that you get ideation being together with

people. >> if iconic buildings, 75 rockefeller center. what is the vacancy there. >> most of the top buildings were in the 90% occupied 95% occupied, occupancy, the strong buildings are able to attract companies, this speaks to the strength of your their leasing market as a strongest dispenses 2018 this year to enact million square feet, last year 2 million square feet above our covid level numbers and square footage as so green the largest publicly traded office landlord in new york solely new york they just announced last week on the earnings that their increasing leasing estimates to three to half million of 65% increase of what the forecast was before we are seeing tremendous demand of making commitments, not commitments just for today were signing leases for 2028 for 502,000 that want to be in the buildings and though they need to lock it down.

you said that's new york centric, you been warning about a bracketing for commercial real estate. i have heard that for a year end half when he of the banking crisis the regional banking crisis where everybody said the regionals had way too many leases at higher interest rates. and we have not seen this massive implosion what is the bracketing what is going to trigger it in your opinion. >> with $1.5 trillion of loans that are maturing between now and the end of 2026. liz: we as a noble commercial real estate industry office makes up about $450 billion of that of all the loans it's probably 50% of that cannot get refinance without having equity injection and the leverage, we need the reacquisition to take place same thing a multifamily, although multifamily loans that were underwritten when rates were 0, one, 2%.

>> then we saw mass foreclosure we've seen the trophy buildings were close, san francisco but we have not seen a lot of belly up. >> it's been much more manageable and kicking the can, the federal reserve using the rhetoric to loosen the financial market and you were talking earlier were interest rates are they went down into the mid-threes another backup before one and that's can create the pressure and a stronger economy means that buildings that have good fundamentals at the capital structure is broken they ultimately need to be reckoned with. >> speaking of interest rates both go from commercial to residential in addition to office buildings you own more than 10000 multifamily units across the u.s. we are a month removed from the feds cut of 50 basis points, back in september, by then we saw the 30 year fall to six-point to 1% everybody was all geek to come in today it's

at 6.58% why is that happening. >> the same scenario you were talking about with the tenure dichotomy is strong those fundamental tailwinds that is dragon macro economic growth whether the fiscal stimulus still being injected, the a.i. investment in the digitization and the investment and decarbonization, it is driving growth and that is keeping the better the situation in interest rates in the bond market saying how much can rates go down, that is setting ourselves up with the new normal is all normal reliving an abnormal way rates are low, the new normal the tenure 4% tenure is not abnormal and go back and look at history, we lived in the strange period of time. liz: 4.17 in change today, good to have you. >> great to see you surviving and thriving at least in new york, thank you so much, then

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coliseum on the campus of east carolina university. his seventh visit to the tar heel state since late july earlier today vice president kamala harris targeted undecided independents and moderate republicans in pennsylvania. she's been campaigning with former republican congresswoman liz cheney, either candidate striking the right message with the critical swing voters come here to tell us what the respective sides are seeing the trump campaign advisor steve cortes and democratic posterior strategist shown cooperman research carly cooperman, i'm going to give this to you first you wrote an op-ed in the hill today it's about the swing state motor, you believe the ones who will decide this particular erection, what did your research show you about the voters with over two weeks ago have not made up their minds. we were looking at voters as either undecided right now where they could change their mind to

the election and what we found harris has a small advantage with the voters, 34% to 29% we found the donald trump leads on who's more trusted to take on issues that are most important to the voters largely the economy and immigration. what you see is the general more for harrison trump the uneasiness and the uncertainty of what harris stands for that she has to overcome with the voters as they feel like they trust trump more on the issues that are important to them. here are the issues, economy in just about each one except for abortion, donald trump in some cases it's a little bit of a squeaker but with immigration is way out in front, economy, taxes, immigration, crime he is the one that leads. if we can look at the battleground state polls, again with a slight lead were more

than a slight lead. and i want everybody to look at north carolina 48.5%, he got 45%, he has been multiple times to the tar heel state, that has been a red state for a long time, how is the suddenly somewhat in play for harris? >> is a lot like georgia, the southern states that if changed they changed a lot demographically and a lot of them come from your neck of the woods and they brought the politics with them when they moved to atlanta and charlotte, those two states are different from the rest of the south and the both swing states and very much in play, having said that to your point what you showed at the screen, president trump has the lead in the real clear politics average polling is not a commanding lead these states are tight all the way to the finish line and as you mentioned were almost two weeks out, two weeks in a day, about a folks about a undergo to be ha happy h

the selection is over there to be inundated with political advertisements, text, phone calls and door knocks i feel badly for the people north carolina and georgia, it's almost over we're going to send in my opinion we're going to send donald trump back into secure the border into restore the market economy. liz: how sure is that, there is always that chance especially if you get out the woman vote, 50% men he leads with men what is going to be the tiebreaker. >> i don't think anybody can be sure what would happen, the advantage that harris has with her is one women to your point they turn out more than men and she is a tremendously with women compared to where trump support even where trump has, the other thing i would argue trump support has been strong and solid throughout the entire duration of this campaign, however, there is a ceiling for

harris the fact that she is less well-known to voters and gives her a chance to persuade them in the final two weeks of the campaign. liz: let's talk about money she has outraised him in the last month new figure shows $221.8 million compared to trump 63 million and with few had that money how would you deploy for donald trump. first let me say i am not surprised that she is vastly outraged and we anticipated this because she's the candidate of big business and the candidate of the ruling class and the oligarchs particularly big tech, big pharma big media, where the candidate of the little guy in terms of the resources we have enough resources to win this race and what's the best way isaac is primarily into social media and from here on in that's the best way to reach voters in the closing days, i'm finding in my polling and focus groups, the voters who haven't decided they're probably not going to move on issues we like to think

that they would but most people are making a determination based on issues they already decided and voted early in these states, it's good to be about trust and now they feel about the candidates and from here forward and on the score of the most effective way for trump to earn their votes is not so much talking about his platform although that's important but the lack of authenticity on the, like harris side that the most effective strategy in the closing two weeks. liz: if you look at the opportunity for the youth vote jen xyz coming out with usher and liz though and a-list celebrities that would speak more to the younger trending group, is not going to nab some of the people or energize them to get to the polls? >> i think everything helps, the young voters are frustrated with what's going on in the dome of the context in terms of as many politics and campaigns the older

voters have with more reliable voters but they know they're frustrated with economic challenges and they care about the climate and abortion rights and things that kamala harris campaign and she absolutely has inroads and there's a tremendous amount of money on the here's campaign side that's been put down to get out the vote to the grassroots effort i would not overlook the strength in the advantage that harris has with the money. >> from the money in the belief that donald trump is the one that rates better on somebody issues, it is amazing that this is a tight race as it is. >> were highly divided country, one thing i put out on the youth vote the gender gap there is even more stark than it is among older men and women otherwise young men are trending hard to the right and young women to the left which is an interesting phenomenon which one gets to the polls in greater numbers we will find out two weeks. carly, steve, two weeks and

counting were watching every minute and who wins the white house, new monumental task to take on when of course it comes to bringing some sort of peace in the middle east, israel today going after the money in gaza and lebanon, this video finding new life after the death of thomas send more showcasing stacks and stacks of millions of dollars of worth and bottles of cologne and the underground bunker i don't know what that is about. there were bags of food labeled for the un palestinian refugee agency route, earlier today israel went after the financing infrastructure for has the less striking banks and money centers linked to iranian bacterial organization specifically hitting buildings in the suburbs of the country's capital of beirut, trey yingst is live in haifa israel with the latest on

the war and what to expect from secretary anthony blinken to the region that kicks off today. >> absolutely ahead of the trip the israelis launched airstrikes against banks that are linked to has blood, smoke can be rising from the lebanese capital as the israelis rocked the hugs bullish stronghold and one location to the airport in addition to beirut the becca valley's all new strikes as a senior israeli intelligence official brief the media about efforts to weaken his will is ability to finance the war against israel. on the ground israel is continuing to push deeper into lebanon with new soldiers entering each day, hezbollah continuing to attack northern israel firing hundreds of rockets over the border this weekend with the northern front active the u.s. special envoy was in beirut for meetings with the path forward to end the war, israel reportedly gave a u.s.a. document last week with the

demands for a cease-fire among the demands israel wants to maintain inability to conduct raids into lebanon and was being referred to active enforcement of agreement israel southern front remains active as well with new evacuations of palestinian civilians taking place in the northern part of gaza, an active ground fighting with israel and hamas ongoing, this week in three israeli soldiers were killed in gaza including an israeli colonel who served as the commander of the 401st brigade, the colonel is the highest-ranking israeli officer killed since the ground invasion of gaza began. back to the northern front we learned that the israelis intent to strike the lebanese capital beirut, yet again israel's top military spokesman daniel hogg re: state according to the ids they believe that hezbollah has been storing money underneath the main hospital in beirut that is something that fox cannot independently confirm. liz: we show the video and it

was from february with the stacks of perfect bills that can only come from a banking institution, correct, this looks like that money should've been made and meant for the poor people in gaza and in lebanon who are suffering terribly. >> absolutely if you think back a couple of years there is a sub story that covered quite extensively for a long time there was money coming in to gaza and suitcases and will be distributed to the civilian population specifically the people that were working in civil services they would receive $100 a month and it was long rumored that hamas was taken the money and scrape it off the top of what was supposed to be eight money going to palestinian civilians and civil workers and keeping it for themselves is not surprising israelis found this in the tunnel network beneath gaza but it's concerning when you look at how much the palestinian people

have suffered in many of the funds and resources have been taken away by hamas. liz: that show is exactly about that, skimming the money to get it out right. the mouse house shakes up the board and what is james gorman the wall street insider bring to the table as entertainment and themepark giant makes succession plans for longtime ceo bob iger maybe the word succession, he very effectively organizes on succession, charlie brexit next on "the clamanbert countdown". ga wax figure of myself. ♪ ♪ oh! right in the temporal lobe! beat it, punks! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

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it's our son, he is always up in our business. it's the verizon 5g home internet i got us. oh... he used to be a competitive gamer but with the higher lag, he can't keep up with his squad. so now we're his “squad”. what are kevin's plans for the fall? he's going to college. out of state, yeah. -yeah in the fall. change of plans, i've decided to stay local. oh excellent! oh that's great!

why would i ever leave this? -aw! we will do anything to get him gaming again. you and kevin need to fix this internet situation. heard my name! i swear to god, kevin! -we told you to wait in the car. everyone in my old squad has xfinity. less lag, better gaming! i'm gonna need to charge you for three people. liz: we were talking about earnings at the very top of the show. verizon is set to reveal the quarterly earnings report tomorrow morning. we follow it up with ceo hans vestburg tomorrow in a fox business exclusive. the ceo of verizon and asking him about iphone 16 sales and all the exciting stuff. and what they're doing to juice subscribers and watching it all with hans. disney hoping key changing at the top help get stock prices back up and disney is up and disney severely underperformed

s&p and returned 207% over the same time period. the mouse house announcing this morning it will name a new ceo james gorman as chairman of the board effective next year. getting to charlie gasparino. what about gorman's skill set makes his the best choice for chairman of disney? >> well, we should point out he's got a lot on his plate here. if you look at -- going back to 2015, the stock is essentially flat. that's remarkable this mass been

a company that's starting to reel in when iger, end of iger's first term, particularly when he started going on a buying spree. he spentthatches pretty amazing that the board said do that. my view is in the scuttle but, it's the share of stock price and shareholders demanding change and it's going demanding

clarity on the replacement and get to james gorman and deciding coverage and the best ceo on wall street given what he did at morgan stanley and what made his tenure at morgan stanley executive chairman and he's the ceo right now and what made it particularly illustrious and it's a good word, is that he did a seamless succession projected and had a couple people in mind and ted pick and he said no fighting, no lobbying and just do your job and i'll figure it out. now ted pick is there and it didn't look like ted pick didn't kill his challenger and it's a well run company despite him

signing a long term deal with the nba and adam silver and entertainment executives are talking about that today. other potential people like the chairman of espn thought very highly of him and we should point out that josh is on that list. dana walden would be the first and started out to help build

memeryle lynch's ceo of the day. he knows his stuff and how to handle his succession crosses and we'll get more names in the next couple days but that's what i'm hearing right now. back to you, liz. >> charlie, thank you. health insurer signa and stock is falling 4.7% at this hour on report that merger talks of humana is back on and humana down 2.5% and insurers in regulators cross hairs and going to allow their pharmacy benefit management businesses to keep much of the discount money that should be passed onto customers and investor of going for horizon chief investment officer

and 7.5 billion in assets under managers andment and let's say i'm on board with you. how do i find healthcare stocks that have ai exposure. >> the most obvious is in the politic space and ai technology sogoing for these types of things and really, really speed talk the development and coming up with above and the bio-tech space writ large is right before dealing with ai and on the other side of the barbell going for the scale and figure out how to use ai and enhancing ways and going with the barbell and some

of the big boys and small boys and more of the bio-techs and really tough individuals and i'd go with more of etf approach and get exposure but, you know, not necessarily the insurers but anything having to do with the delivery of healthcare and