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all their hope in the blue wall. the question is, what happens when we make a call in north carolina and georgia if you believe sean hannity, it's coming soon. we'll see if it does. it is time to see how many more electoral votes will fall as we get ready for our next calls. martha: stay tuned. >> we are seconds away from three states including montana, utah plus the critical battleground -- >> together we will fight to win nevada. >> nevada, we fight for the future. >> 16 electoral votes on the line, we have the results as they come in. the moment is here. america is watching. ♪ ♪ martha: very quickly, it is now 10 p.m. here in missouri. three more states -- in new york. three more states in the west have just finished voting.
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too early to cull, the state of nevada, hispanic and working class voters or obviously could be key to the victory there. both of these candidates have spent a plot of time in nevada. brit breath fox news can project that former president trump will win the state of utah adding another 6 electoral votes to his column. he's also -- he'll also win montana's presidential election. we're looking closely at montana a's senate race out there. martha: ad lib -- [laughter] bret: if yes, you will. martha: let's get you an update, president trump at 20 the 5 -- 250 right now, 117 for harris and waiting on georgia, waiting on north carolina, weight on pennsylvania, waiting on michigan. and in all of these places there's a lot of city vote, a lot of high population, concentrated vote that has not come in yet. the question is whether or not that vote when it does come in will outbalance what we have seen in the early part of this vote here.
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bret: montana, as we mentioned, also home to this pivotal senate race, jon the tester in the political fight of his life of this time. he survived it before, but this time republican former navy seal tim sheehy putting up a real fight and may win. the fox news decision desk says it's too early to call there. nevada also a home, too early the call between incumbent democratic senator jackie rosen and republican army veteran sam brown. martha: but in utah, fox news is projecting john curtis are move to the senate succeeding retiring senator mommy of -- mitt romney of utah. 10:01 in the evening, republicans now have 48 seats. majority, obviously, would be 51. 38 seats on the democratic side as we wait for a number of very consequential senate races to come in here this evening. bret: welcome to the panel,
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laura ingraham. sean hannity's still here, jesse waters. what are you thinking? >> trump the would be winning by a lot if this was a cannonball contest because of the huge splash in florida. almost 14 over harris, that's a big statement right out of the gate. she has not had a big statement so far tonight. the other big splash, virginia. now, we don't know how virginia's going to shake out o. but biden won virginia by 10. and if now it's tied. obviously, it's ooh too close the call. but right now she's playing defense. the trump team is very confident that georgia and north carolina are going to go their way, and harris is going to have to play defense in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin. you're hearing trump doubling his black support in wisconsin, ahead with young voters in michigan. and in pennsylvania, or winning independents. and they say the math doesn't work in philadelphia county, so who knows what's going to the happen. still too early to call, but you definitely think the trump team has momentum here.
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bret: laura, virginia you were talking about earlier, we'll put up the big board about virginia and show that race. through yo -- there you see the 50% to 48.3. 61% in. a too soon to call nurse. >> well, this is wild. remember, trump didn't come anywhere near these numbers in 2016 or 2020 to. the loudoun county numbers that we were talking about earlier are really something to watch. trump is outperforming by 8 points in loudoun county. it was a blowout in 2020. big issue with education there. the other thing to look at and glenn youngkin, i've been in touch with him, he said, buckle up, virginia's going to be very tight. then go down to miami-dade where we haven't seen a republican take that county in florida since 1988. donald trump is doing something tonight. "the new york times" is noticing, he's up at 32 the 87 electoral -- 287 electoral votes projected, obviously, with a 72 chance of winning. watch out for slowing vote reporting down in the blue wall
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states. it happened last time, in 2020, and if by midnight it looks like trump has a chance to win and things start slow down with reporting, you can't blame people for being a little bit concerned about the way we do reporting in elections. >> i have more of a question, actually, for laura if that's okay, if it's permitted -- bret: yes. [laughter] >> in loudoun county, can you talk to what is the issue? is it the economy? or is it the cultural issues? we've been having a little debate. >> the cultural issues cut through the new immigrant population in loudennen county. there's an enormous influx of indian immigrants, hispanic and muslim immigrants in loudoun county. and if you talk to them and some reporting's been done on this, a couple of issues of, you know, the gender curriculum, some of the trans issues. but also in general just this idea that the new immigrants coming to this country want to be able to start small businesses and make a decent living. i think both issues are hitting hard tonight. >> and loudoun county's the kind
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of place you'd think it'd be fertile ground for democrats in perpetuity because it's in the exurbs of washington, but it is very close to that huge number of people that work in the dulles corridor. that looks like kind of the young, tech-savvy people when would be prone, generally, to vote democrat. expect fact that it seems to be going the way it is tonight -- >> a lot of credit to glenn youngkin and, obviously, donald trump, they were smart to go there late in the game. maria: it's interesting to look at virginia, and sometimes these things take hold over a period of time, right in glenn youngkin won his very close race all about education over terry mcif all live and parents' rights. but then in the -- mcauliffe, and then in the midterms, youngkin was trying to get them over the edge. if this does and and, you know, we can't call it obviously yet, if it turns into a win for trump tonight -- >> or even close, even close, martha. >> we have not called north carolina. bret: we have not yet, nor
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georgia. >> i'm sure there are good reasons for that, but others have. bret: i understand. let's just talk to bill hemmer, because he's at the wall. >> i can do that for you. [laughter] don't mind me. this is roanoke county. why do i have that on the screen? that's salem, virginia. that's where trump went for the rally the other day with glenn young kip, okay? if as you i -- youngkin kip. as a a you guys are talking here, part of our fox insights, anytime we see an outline here we go in, loudoun county. we mentioned this, right? this was a 16-point advantage for kamala harris. you've almost got all the estimated vote in right now, and trump's doing 3.4 points better now with 98% of the vote reporting than he did in 2020. so that's pretty interesting. the the other thing i would point out while i'm here is fairfax county, all right? so you're almost at two-thirds of the vote in. all the people are there, right? number 1 out of 133.
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biden was an easy winner at 70% of the vote, so right now across from if washington, d.c. she's underperforming in the most populated county in the entire state. do you have something else -- gotcha. okay, carolina. go ahead, guys. >> virginia, is that the bigges? because campaigns are saying they've got big votes out in virginia. they still believe -- >> i tell you what i'll do, i'll cheat for and a second, it seems as if kamala harris is doing better in the southeastern part than the was expected, okay? there's still some vote out there, still vote coming in, and we'll see whether or not that holds up. let me zip on down to carolina. and, brit, i think you said some folks have called carolina already. we've got about 70% of the vote in, and we've got trump, you know, almost 5. 185,000 raw votes. i don't know what's going on here. why don't we just poke around
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some of the bigger counties. this is raleigh. you've got to look there. three-quarters of the vote in. she's got a firm lead. down here in mecklenburg in charlotte, a firm lead yet again. 90% of the estimated vote still yet to be the the tallied -- 80n why we cannot call it. new hanover. you find wilmington along the atlantic shore, only 5% of the vote in down there. this is one of the areas of the country that's turning more blue. a lot of transplants from the northeast moving down to wilmington, also a lot of folks going into places like brunswick county, deep in the red. donald trump's going to to win here tonight by 66% upwards of the vote down there. a lot of folks from new jersey and new york and pennsylvania. they're moving down to places like brunswick county because they love the weather, the beaches, and it's it's not as expensive as florida. they've seen an awful lot of growth in this part of the state. too soon to the call, but donald trump the right now up by almost
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5 points in -- martha: hey, bill, let's look at pennsylvania which is tightening up considerably in the, you know, presidential race and in the senate race. show us what's going on there. >> yeah. you're exactly right about that. okay, so about a half of the vote being counted. remember that chart i showed you a moment ago? they count the mail-in vote first in pennsylvania. it tends to be more democratic. as we saw in 2020 the ors we're seeing that again in 2024. all right? you've got about a 1.4 margin there, raw votes shy of 50,000. let's go for a spin, shall we? philadelphia, let's start there. it is the number one -- come on. let's go here. all right, here we go. this is the kind of margin you expect to get in philadelphia. they've got 8 or 9 out of 10 voters are democratic, or right? is so joe biden was well over 80%. it's interesting, right?
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so she's just a tick below that right now. does philadelphia vote the way that milwaukee votes, right? we saw that difference in milwaukee a short time ago. is philadelphia going to vote differencely than wayne county in detroit? we're waiting the get that in as well. these are the counties that are a heavily blue. i would expect them to change somewhat through the night. just to check the bellwether here. this is northampton, about as close as you get, guys, difference of 303 votes. you know, biden barely won it by 1200 just four years ago. march what about pittsburgh? >> allegheny county, let's see where we are. a lot of the vote came in from pittsburgh early on -- bret: 711. >> yeah. 71 coming, that's right. and shea at 6% -- she's at 61. you guys watch it, right? if i mean, how many rallies can did trump have there? how many times did kamala harris go to the west side of pennsylvania? this is a place i want to check out, let's find out together.
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this is butler county. all right, where were you on july 13th? here we go. you've got 94% coming in, shy of 66%. so how did trump do in a rural county like butler four years ago, before the assassination attempt? right? this past year. it was almost around the same number, okay? up 36,000 to finish it four years ago. right now he's up 34,000. bret: let me bring our prime folks in. laura, what are you looking at? >> i just think it's interesting to look at these states that we kind of had a looked past in our analysis. we're always focused on the blue wall states, obviously, so important. but signs that the trump might maybe outperform in ways that we hadn't expected bubbling up in places like new mexico where it's only 23% of the vote in, mind you, tons of votes outstanding, but he looks like he's outperforming there.
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he's up now 6 points in, with that small turnout. again, "the new york times" gives him a 79 chance of winning this election at this point with leaning north carolina, leaning republican in georgia. if those trends continue, it's all those three straits -- states where it's neck and neck, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. so i hope they can model themselves in the future on what floridas has done so brilliantly with ron desantis. 96% of the vote in, and it's handled beautifully with absentee, mail-in -- i mean, they just seem to do it in florida. why can't we do it in these other states? maria: it's a great -- most of us grew up you voted mt. morning, or parents went home and got the answer. 96 million voters when fox news started to 160 million probably tonight, somewhere in that -- >> and, by the way, all of them watched br, e, t's interview with -- bre,'s interview with kamala -- martha: absolutely. how much has voting changed,
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sean? because we have this enormous -- >> it's so interesting you ask that question because everything's kind of flipped. republicans went in today with a lead, that had never happened before. and it put the democrats in a position mathematically where they had to accomplish something they've never accomplished before, and that is to get same-day voters at numbers that they've never gotten before. and this is where we now find it. if i am correct in my belief and my sources are right and north carolina, i'm almost 100 certain it will be donald trump's. and georgia, i believe, harold and i have been going back and forth on this, will go to donald trump. now arizona has been a trending very strong towards donald trump. i don't know how long it'll take them to count the votes out there. that is frustrating, to lauer -- laura's point -- bret: maricopa said because of the 4re7b9 of the ballot -- >> there were two pages in
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florida, and they called it within an hour and a half, was it even -- bret: yeah. i'm just saying what they said. >> so if we want to play out a few scenarios, if that's right, if i'm right and they go to donald trump and i am confident based on the information, dave mccormick's numbers guy just wrote me, running for senate in pennsylvania -- bret: against bob casey -- >> the incumbent, who's been running ads tying himself to donald trump in pennsylvania which i think is very telling, he's confident donald trump is going to win pennsylvania tonight. and what the trump team has been telling me where they were up by 1.1 million, we went over these numbers earlier, backed four years ago they were only up 400,000 going into today's voting, day-of voting. in wisconsin you have a similar situation. a 40% difference, 40% shortfall. so i'm looking at the big board
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and i'm watching the ever-brilliant bill hemmer, and they needed numbers in milwaukee that every source i know in wisconsin is sell telling me they kid not get today. -- they did not get today. and we're now in a situation where for cm a harris -- kamala harris to have any opportunity to win, she's going to sweep those blue wall states. i don't see it. do you? >> i don't see it either. if you look at philadelphia, for instance, everybody was bragging about how low turnout was in philly, but south philly is italian. that's trump down there. big eagles territory, big flyers. and then you go to the northeast, that's irish catholic. maybe sean hannity knows a few people up there. they came out big for donald trump, and that might have been an explanation for those numbers to pop. but if you look at pennsylvania broadly, they a banked so much of the early vote which they're never done before. they don't think kamala has enough right now in philly and pittsburgh to just overcome
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trump's red county -- bret: let me just put the caveat in there. brit, we sat on an election questionsing in 2016, and there was betting odds that you were quoting that had hillary clinton winning 90% chance that she was going -- >> that's where the evening began. bret: and then it started going down, and we started doing the what if scenario, and her pathway started the narrow. it has flipped, to sean's point, that the early vote gave republicans an early boost, and the question is what the day-of vote's going to show. is her path narrowing as we get -- >> i think she started out with a narrower path. we could figure out more ways that trump could win. she had a narrower path. and the betting odds, by the way, are now 83 for trump. started out at 58% and it's climbed all through the evening to 69 -- bret: if i think you should have a green eye shade,. >> yeah. i should be -- anyway.
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and there are other, other models are now predicting him well -- martha: stock market futures are also trading higher as well. >> i do think just to go back to this milwaukee point that we were talking about during the break, i mean, they are rerunning 30,000, absentee votes in milwaukee tonight because they couldn't -- there was a problem with the processing. a 31,000 absentee ballots after the election observer brought to the officials' attention that doors covering on and off switch withs on the devices, i guess, some of them weren't tallying, and they were worried about it. so just for integrity the purposes, they're rerunning all those -- so we might not hear the full and final counting from milwaukee until tomorrow. >> ap vote casts has trump winning 23 percent of black men. >> that's staggering. >> where? >> everywhere. >> nationwide. >> i'm sorry, i didn't hear what you said. >> where's that from? >> ap vote -- >> that's consistent with our stuff. >> -- and that has to be defeat from the mainstream media who'
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just -- who's just destroyed donald trump as a racist for years, and then you go up double digits with your support with hispanics at the same time and run up the numbers with jewish americans here in the northeast. that's a complete rejection of the everything that they've been telling us about donald trump and would explain why host very competitive in the popular -- >> and the news cycle went on and on about the seltzer poll in iowa. trump, looks like he's going to win iowa by 8-10 percentage points. setter, seltzer, seltzer, it was, like, he was going to lose iowa. >> let me -- bret: let's go back to pennsylvania really quick. i mow you're in wisconsin, but can we just go the pennsylvania? >> i sure can. i want to come back to this. it's a fascinating story that's happening in wisconsin, okay? go ahead with your question in pennsylvania -- breath breath lackawanna county. >> let me come back to current day. it's 2024, isn't it, guys? bret: yeah, it is. >> yeah, i do believe. [laughter] i'm kidding.
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this is -- she's got an edge -- bret: where is the 2020 vote for that -- >> this, okay, i'm going to do something and you're going to see a slide come out, all right? you guys have got to remember these numbers, all right? versus 20 to, here is biden's number. so she's about -- you do the math. 2.5 points -- [laughter] >> under. >> -- below what biden did, but she's winning the county a too, and that's scranton. can i just show you guys something? this is wisconsin, all right? so you've got your fox insight's going here, we talked about a deign and milwaukee. what about green bay? that's brown county, all right? right now with 46 of the vote reporting -- 46% of the vote reporting, brown county, green bay, trump's up 3.6 points at this time in the night, okay? take this off. we'll move down here to this county, he's up 1.8 points higher than he was four years ago. take that off, this is winnebago, right?
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trump is up 1.3 points at this point in the boat higher than he was four years ago. and, you know, when you're analyzing the state going into this election, those are three of the counties you're looking at where he's trying the drive the numbers up, and he's able to do that. this is where we sit, half a point. not for nothing, guys, but -- sorry. come on back here. not for nothing, or robert kennedy has racked up 8,000 votes in wisconsin. and 20020 in wisconsin, we'll get it here. yeah, i got ya. 20 the,6822. do 20, 682. maybe it matters, guys, maybe it doesn't. but it's something to put out. when we come back, i'll take you to michigan. some things happening there ooh too, fascinating. martha: that's something to keep an eye on. >> the 311,000 votes, laura, that's in milwaukee -- 31,000.
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>> they've begun to reprocess them, but there's no indication as to when that's going to finish. bret: because there was a problem with the machine? >> the on-off switching device on the machine. >> can i ask you a question? i've been looking at the betting odds numbers that brit was talking about. they have moved massively -- >> 90. >> -- to donald trump. new york times has it massively -- >> 71%. [inaudible conversations] >> right. so we're really sitting here, and i think we ought to take pause. there is a very strong possibility he will be elected the 47th president of the united states if these numbers, if these predictions end up being true. i don't want to get over our skis, we want to be careful, we want to be prudent. we're all looking at our sources. i'm listening closely to everything harold has to say and what he's offeringment. but if that is true -- offering. but if that is true after all they have thrown at this man, after all that they have done to this man and to, with all the a
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media that wouldn't even vet her and her radical positions, the only person in the media that challenged her in any reasonably tough way is sitting right here at this table, and that was you, b if ret. and the to think she never if had to answer why she wasn't asked about supporting a bail fund, 574 riots in the summer of '24 or coen sponsoring the green new deal or saying no private health insurance, medicare for all or sex change operations for, you know, illegal immigrants. what will this say, brit, about legacy media in america? it's dead. >> well, it's, the decline of its influence has been evident for years. this is the proof of it. >> right. >> in some respects, i think that the behavior of the legacy media backfired existence the candidate they were supporting because it was so over the top -- against.
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same9 with the prosecutions. >> you think it all contributed -- >> oh, i do. >> yeah, i agree with you. bret: what have you got, bill? >> just punching up through iowa. everybody's talking about the poll, right? [laughter] des moines register, you know? [laughter] >> the poll that will not be named. [laughter] >> that's correct. until we get a little of the back sheets, right? 40%, a 7-point lead for trump, okay? so i don't know what they were seeing in the poll, all right? they were obviously seeing something out there in iowa. but this is, this is trump pulling away. this is -- bret: as you bounce around -- >> yeah, all good. this is ohio, or okay? 8 points in 2016. 8 points in to -- 2020. 80% of the estimated vote is in, he's up more than 12 the points in the buckeye state. bret: deign a narc or even if we don't -- we're not there yet. we're not calling these states. we're going to bait and see how
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these raw vote totals go, but rather be him. the is getting clearer for him right now. to sean's point, even that he's here at this moment from january 7th, 2022 the 11 -- 2022 the 1, until now is probably the biggest political phoenix from the ashes that we have ever seen in the history of politics. >> in the days after january 6th, i remember sitting i think with you, bret, and i think this guy, trump, he's radioactive. republicans have turned against him. they want rid of him. he's an obstacle, he's a problem, and i thought, no, i didn't think a political comeback by him was possible. >> i would say -- >> yet here we are. he's the toughest season -- son of a gun i've ever seen, ever. all he's had thrown at him? i'd be in an insane asylum. [laughter] >> there's an interesting trick you can always play with these things when sean says think of all the things they have done to him. and in spite of that, he brought, he puts together this
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probably the most racially-diverse political coalition we've seen in generations. but you could also say it is because of what they did to him. turn that around. it's not just in spite of i. yes, a tough guy -- >> that's a great point. >> but because of that -- >> overdone. overkill. >> i think we shouldn't underestimate the importance of policy in all of this. >> absolutely. >> the trump agenda in 2019 delivered some of the most stunning economic gains to blue collar workers, the people that we came from, that we had seen in 25 years. maybe even long every. so from the border to the economy to foreign policy and peace, that resonated with young people, with men, with this new demographic coalition. and i think it's not just the greatest political comeback of all time. if these trends continue, a big if, but if, it will be greatest comeback, i believe, in history because this man was counted out and called every name in the book.
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they want to put him in jail. tonight, they would if they could. >> i hate to get ahead of ourselves, but if the numbers hold. and the pop -- popular vote, he would have a mandate. >> particular my if he got -- >> -- he would probably have the senate, maybe he doesn't have the house, but that mandate would have tock respected. so it would be up to democrats and the president media to determine how's their posture going to be towards a seemingly very popular president who's had the greatest upset victory followed by the most controversial election, followed by the greatest victory -- >> we shall see. martha: we may have this conversation several hours from now. >> if, if, if. bret: the primes, i call you the primes now. 7, 8 and 9. martha: the avengers. [laughter] breath breath thank you very much. martha: thank you guys. fantastic -- [inaudible conversations] bret: that was great.
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♪ ♪ martha: we are back, and jacqui heinrich is standing by at the harris campaign headquarters where there is a lot of vote still to come in tonight. what's the mood at this point? >> reporter: you know, martha, every once in a while we get this glaring reminder that just over three months ago this was joe biden's campaign. every time we want to get any information from campaign officials, we have to text someone in wilmington. there aren't any campaign staffers walking around, and often we can't get answers to simple things like how many people are in this crowd, who's in this crowd, what is their connection to the vice president, which groups were invited. we've posed these questions to the campaign and not been able to get any answers. and if i've also a spoken to some sources close to the harris who are at watch parties nearby in the city, friends, family and donors had a receptions at two
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big hotels in the area. they're now making their a way over here, they'll be hanging out in the basement somewhere inside the building, but even they don't have confirmation a that the vice president is going to come here tonight. we don't have any program for the speakers. and right now they've just been piping in cnn behind me. so we are waiting for anything substantive. the updates that we do get areover e-mail from senior officials that are giving us broad strokes as they're watching data come in. right now generally they're feeling happy about long lines at college precincts in north carolina and michigan saying that that should be helping them with young voter turnout, guys. martha: if all right. bret: let me just ask you, i mean, my chain with the democrats kind of went dark too. when's the last time you've got an update? >> reporter: well, they're responding to us, but what we ask, what we -- the answers we get are, like, let me check on this. literally, i asked how many people are in this crowd, what's their connection to the vice
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president, and that was an hour and a half ago. the person responded let me check, working on it. i checked back, still working on it. how do you not have this answer? this is the harris campaign. but they are in wilmington. it's a glaring reminder every once in a while that this apparatus was really thrown together in just over three months, guys. breath if breath jacqui heinrich at the harris campaign headquarters in d.c. thanks. martha: let's check back in with mike tobin in wisconsin. we want an update on what is going if on with these machines, has the voting stopped as they try to troubleshoot on this equipment, and what does it all mean? >> reporter: well, the county hasn't stopped. what they did is they put out an all call for city employees, firefighterses, health care workers, i.t. workers here trying the move this count along. they have to verify all of the metadata, if you will, on the top of the ballots before they can run them through these machines. zoom in over my shoulder, i want to show you how these voting tabulators are working or how the a machines themselves ran
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into a problem. if you rook at the back of that machine, there's a red sticker on the back of that machine. that effectively acts as the seal the prove that it hasn't been broken. but there's also a locking mechanism if on the back of those machines. as the machines operated until the afternoon and if no one noticed that the stickers were in place, but the locking mechanisms hadn't been engaged. a republican observer noticed that, raised the red flag, boroughs it -- brought it with the city officials. the city officials believe the integrity of the vote was never compromised, but out of an abundance of caution, some 311,000 -- 31,000 ballots had to start all over again. at a last report, some 43,000 ballots had been through the process. we expected final numbers from the city of milwaukee around 11 or 322 a.m. the city. -- 1 or 2 a.m. we just know that it's going to be later. the city's trying to pass this off as an abundance of caution, but i you've had republican
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leaders like senator ron johnson said this is simply unacceptable. they had a long time to preserve the integrity of this, to make sure that these machines were locked, a simple step in the process. they're not happy with it. we heard from the rnc chair, lara trump, michael whatley saying this is an unacceptable example of incompetence. so they're trying to get this thing done. heir hoping it doesn't stretch into origin, but they are anticipating the vote will now continue into the early morning -- the early hours of wednesday. back to you. bret: just to be clear, they're going to keep counting like pennsylvania has said they're going the keep going, they're not going to stop and go home and take a break and -- >> reporter: correct. they intend to keep count, and you've got 107,000 ballots here, and 31,000 of those are the ones that have go back through the process. so it's delaying the process, it's not tanking the process. and the city officials, again, want to insist that the integrity of the process was not compromised, they just want to be extra cautious.
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bret: okay. mike tobin many milwaukee, thanks. martha: let's bring our panel back in, and we have some new people joining us at this hour. brit hume, dana perino and harold ford jr. all still here, kellyanne conway has come back to join us and mark penn and charlie hurt. welcome to mark and charlie. great to have you guys here. mark, let me start with you. what's your read on this evening and wear -- we're looking at north carolina and georgia and virginia very closely right now. >> my read is that this is a real tug-of-war election. and all we're seeing right now is the trump forces seem to be pulling that rope just a little bit more. what you see is that he's doing a little bit better with minority voters. the suburban wave for harris did not materialize, and trump is doing very well in the rural areas. so there's just infinitesimal change. whoever wins we're going to have a very divided country. the polls were right. we will be divided between the
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elites and the working class and what they think and what they think the direction of america is. but right now in that tug-of-war trump's forces seem to be pulling a little stronger -- martha: and the elites appear to be on, at least the way it's shaping up tonight, on the blue side. and the working class is on the red side. >> on the red side. martha: this is not, you know, a development that has happened in the trump years. bret: i asked you three nights in a row, who do you want to be? right now at 10:36 p.m -- >> right now i want to be donald trump, because these votes are coming in. you take a looked at philadelphia. philadelphia, he had 12. then he had 18%. the same as he had last time. now he's got 221. he's -- 221. he's got 3 points better than he had last time. that that's what he needs to pull pennsylvania. >> mark, she still has a path, but it relies entirely at this stage are winning the three blue wall states. what do you think her hasn't
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chances are? >> her chances are diminishing the more this vote is coming in. there's no question that i think this race is going to be down to those three blue wall states. i think he's got let's call it a 55% chance of winning one or more of those states. we've got more information, i think, on pennsylvania than the others. i think that is, i think, pulling more in his direction. the more these votes are being counted. martha: i just have one more question for you in this round, mark, and then we'll get to more, i'm sure. you know, you early on yesterday the strategy that the had led to inflation if in the biden administration. you thought they should have addressed it much sooner. you also yesterday whether or not he should be the candidate and whether or not that kind of switch-up should have happened sooner. what do you think tonight about those issues? >> look, i think harris will have run a very credible race. she is getting the democratic constituency probably doing better than biden would have done because biden was really
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collapsing. she is getting the democratic constituent city. this is awfully close no matter who wins. whoever is president is going to have to address all of america. but i think she ran a good race. almost an excellent race. but it may just -- martha: it's a good point because we're comparing biden to 2020 number when he won, but the numbers where he was when she took over were not those numbers. >> disastrous. bret: we have a call to make. the fox news decision desk can now project that former president trump will win the state of iowa. trump is performing well in rural areas which helped deliver victories to former president trump in 2016 and 2020. this obviously comes in the wak- [laughter] of a lot of focus on a poll that shall not be named -- [laughter] >> no, let's do it. bret: oh, name it? the des moines register poll. we've talked about it seven times tonight. anyway, it got a lot of attention. >> ridiculous. bret: it was an attention-getting poll, and it was being forecast to be what the midwest may look like maybe
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because of a gender gap she was seeing in her poll, ann seltzer. we are now calling iowa for the former president. martha: of it was described as a bit of a jolt when it came across. i think all of us when we saw that, because the reason is she hasen an excellent reputation. she's called a lot of things well with. in fact, she called the trump lead in 2016 in her polling, and everyone thought she was crazy. she had him, like, +6 or something -- >> she also had him winning the caucuses and ted cruz beat him. anyway -- martha: this one appears to be a whip on her -- blip on her screen. bret: if harold, thoughts about what's developing. >> this blue wall a, there are 44 they can tomorrow votes in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. if she loses virginia, nevada's 6. that gives her 50. if she wins virginia, it gives her 57. this is a big if here. we talked about it, i think, in the last segment, we talked
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about the policy here. laura did. and if she looks back, i think three things, and you said one of them, kellyanne, should you have chosen shapiro if where we're going is where it looks like we're going to go. should you have countered on the transgender issue more quickly, and then the border and the economy, should she have distanced herself from biden? we're still a little early, but if you're sitting here tonight, you want to be on that campaign tonight. she's got to run the tables here over the next hour or two, over the next day or so if we're hearing correctly about wisconsin. but it does not look as promising as it did a few hours ago. bret: let's head back to bill real quick. can we dip into virginia? the common if wealth? >> say it again, bret. sorry. bret: do what you're to going to do, we'll get to virginia. >> i'll give you a run up the atlantic coast. georgia, too soon to call. you ask, why can't you call it?
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the question is, where is the vote and what's going to come in. trump's up 3.22 points statewide. you come in here to the greater atlanta area, and this is fulton to. our fox insights tell us, okay, this is different. this has a changed from a moment ago, all right? at this point in the night if with 82 of the vote reporting -- 822% of the vote reporting in fulton county, the largest of 159, trump's up .6 points from where he was four years ago, all right? i'll clear that. let's come back out statewide. this is cobb county, we talked about that earlier. at this point in the night, our fox insights tell us that harris is up 11.3 points concern 1.3 points better than where biden was at this point from four years ago. we'll clear that and also go to douglas here too, okay? at this point it's greater atlanta, a lot of population throughout the area. at this point 90% reporting in douglas county. harris is doing 2.9 points
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better than what biden did four years ago. there's still a vote out there too. i mentioned chatham county about two hours ago, savannah. they counted slow four years ago, they're counting slow again. a lot of democratic votes. a lot of folks live there too. we'll see how that shakes out. let's run up the coast and let you to know what we're seeing in north carolina. then i'll hit virginia and pennsylvania, all right? trump up 22.5 -- 22.5 in -- 2.5 in north carolina. why can't we call it? they've had a lot of votes come in since the last time i checked. a lot of outstanding votes. you can't make a call. but now you're getting a lot more from charlotte. this is wake county, or raleigh, it's number one. still about 20% of the vote out there, okay? comfortable lead for if harris. we expected that. but let me just check 2020 and if go ahead and use the slide again. okay, so she's performing half a
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point better than joe biden finished from four years ago. so keeping track of that. yeah, you wanted virginia. i'm getting there, guys. hang on one second here. just gotta move the meter, and we'll see what's happening in the commonwealth. bret: so while you're checking that, charlie hurt's from virginia. >> tight squeeze. bret: what are you looking at, charlie? >> so it's kind of interesting, actually, that this is so close. especially if you looked at the early numbers across the state. it was fairly extraordinary with the early vote, both early mail-in vote and then early in-person vote. all of the big d+ counties in the state were significantly down from four years ago including the big counties like fairfax, richmond. and then all of the r+ counties were significantly higher this time than they were four years ago.
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and so if you had just looked at the, at those early numbers and then look at this, it's actually not that surprising that it's this close even though virginia is, for all intelligents and purposes, a -- intents and purposes, a blue state now and has been since george w. bush or since obama anyway. but it is, you know, i think that governor youngkin who said, you know, watch out it's going to be tight here is probably looking at those same numbers and realizes that this thing might actually be the surprise of the night. bret: yeah. a lot of people drifted to northern virginia, suburbanites. there's not a great trump vote in that near-d.c., you know, counties, kellyanne, and that's what we're looking at here, where that vote is outstanding and whether it changes the dynamic. >> no question. and glenn youngkin's been a great partner to donald trump this whole time on the campaign trail. he it would me personally when i
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asked him do you think it's really competitive, he said i think you're going to force biden-harris, now harris, to spend some time and money there, and that's happened. it was ground zero for the parents' movement, the school stuff in 20202911. i wanted the say something. kamala harris eau team was smart and strategic to go for the three states in the blue wall since they've gone democrat from is the 199 2-2020, 28 straight years with the exception of 2016. they went for trump. they've always a voted as a bloc. but they also ran out of choices. i would have thought she'd do better in this most racially diverse sun belt states like georgia, nevada, arizona and even north carolina. she's in the very white state states trying to become president of the united states. we think we're only going to get women by talking about abortion, we're going to get hispanics if we talk about inflation. that's how trump is getting them. we're going to get african-americans if we talk about this, whose big idea was
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it to overprosecute donald trump? if with all these cases? if do you think a lot of black men in this country didn't stand up and say the country i think the system has been against me, i think that's unfair? to say nothing of the fact that they a want economic upward to mobility like everyone else? their school choice voters. they think that people coming over the border are taking their jobs, and you've got barack obama telling them your not right. stop telling us who we are, what we think, how to eat, how to vote. this is the election where people are -- last point, young voters. i think paris is going to -- harris is going to underperform joe biden nationwide on young voters. there too, let's get rid of the old guy, put in a 60-year-old woman and call donald trump -- not how you get young people. if they can afford a house before they're 52, you get young people if they think they want to be president of their own small business, not president of this country one day and they can survive and thrive doing that. this whole demography thing,
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that we should vote according to our gender, our race or age, this is the election where i think that hit a wall. >> if things hold right now where we are, does she only have to win the blue wall? just for the sake of the audience, to to win, if everything happens, he wins arizona, nevada, georgia, north carolina, if she wins michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, does she win? >> yes. >> so the blue wall remains -- >> she has one big path. she's got two -- bret: is that true, bill? >> pretty much, yeah. breath breath to get to 270 with the9 3 -- >> plus nebraska too. i think it's too early to start filling this thing in here. i want to start -- i don't want to start just yet but, i don't know, we're kind of warming up the flyer -- [l bret: just so the three. >> yeah. for her it would be nebraska, 2. we've got to go a long way, so just -- it's going to take me a while to to get there, okay? so she would have to win all the
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usual states here, it's just too many to fill in, right? boom, boom, boom, boom, boom with. bret: gotcha. >> oh, my gosh, what am i missing? holy cow. maine, hawaii -- bret: yeah. >> okay. so that's why i didn't want to do it just yet because we've got to go a ways. maybe you like another half hour or hour we can fill in a few more. if you've got time, i'll take you to arizona, unless you've got something else to do. bret: love to go there. >> there's some movement here. there's mom movement here in the american southwest. this is arizona, paris time we're looking at it on the night. trump is just taking a tenth -- has just taken a tenth of a point lead. kamala harris had the edge for the past hour. this is mare cope a pa,, this is phoenix where you get 60% of the vote statewide is in mare cope a pa county. she has an edge of 22.2 percentage -- 2.2 percentage points. i'm going to bring out the slide again and go back to 2020.
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and this is joe biden in arizona. so she's up about half a point. not quite. all right? but donald trump's performing a little better right now at this point. but there's still just about half of the vote out and too soon to call there. in arizona. let me come back to modern day, 2024. see if in this has changed, it has not. this the raw vote. just want to take a sneak peek. you guys mentioned iowa, the state that shall not be named or the poll that shall not be named? this is nuts. 14.5 points? >> wow. bret: yeah, that's not -- march somebody's not having a good night. >> guys, there's a ton of to votes still out there. this thing could go -- bret: that's a little outside the margin of error. [laughter] maria: let's go up to sandra, and you have some new stuff from our fox news voter analysis. >> sure. what was just said about the hispanic voters, i'll dive into age first for you, martha, and
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it is pretty incredible, some of the data we're seeing in our fox news voter analysis. 65 and over, okay in it is a dead heat. splitting the vote there. just note donald trump led this group by 3 points in 2020. so he is, in fact, slightly underperforming with that group. but here is the huge story that we are seeing develop, voters under age 30, 52 of the vote going to harris, 44% to trump. that's an 8-point margin that she's leading by. biden led with this group by 25 the points. kellyanne was just talking about this a moment ago. he led by 25 points with this age group back in 2020. she had a significantly underperformed with the younger voters right now. want to jump back in and also talk about the hispanic vote and what we are seeing there. this also telling a huge story of the night. kamala harris getting 56% of the support there. donald trump, 40, okay? so she's leading by 16 points.
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biden led with this group by3211. again -- 21. again, she's understood performing there. i -- underperforming there. when it comes to the his hispanic vote, hispanic women, for example. harris is leading by 24 points with this group right now, biden led with this group by 34. hispanic women. underperforming there. comes with hispanic men. looked at this story. harris is up by 6 points with hispanic men. biden led with 19 points. so there is really some interesting stories developing with the younger voters and the hispanic vote out there. bret and martha, as you know or, we are heard it on the ground, a lot of those american hispanic voters, they don't like what they're seeing with illegal immigration in this country, they've been speak about that. we are seeing that show up in our analysis. bret: sandra, thank you. interesting stuff. martha: and that gap, that 20 the + gap that -- 20 the+ gap,
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it has should be up in billions that she was underperforming biden by more than 20 points with hispanic voters. it's a very seismic if change. >> which means if it comes down as we now, i think, have agreed at this desk that the it does to those three blue wall states being her chance of victory, very narrow path, that if these numbers are meaningful about how she will performed broadly speaking, and i think they're big must have now that we can say they are, her chances of pulling this off would be the biggest thing we've ever seen. an amazing come from behind victory. and i think the odds on that are very long, indeed. martha: well, it's significant, to say the least. >> the point that kellyanne was making, it all stops. oneven know if in 2028 we'll still be talking about talking about the hispanic vote because with every immigrant vote, eventually you're just an american. and you care about all the
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issues that the everyone else in america cares about, and it's not so segmented. i see a lot of those barriers breaking down. again, i think that the harris-biden team has no one to blame but themselves for these numbers. it's the policies that drove these people to vote for president trump, and he also -- they, the biden-harris people pushed them into trump's open arms. and now they'll have a chance to to have a different type of president if he were to win. i know we've got the blue wall the see, but the betting market, or everything is sort of going this way, and you sort of have the feeling that the hispanic vote is no longer going to be so segmented. it's just the vote, the american vote. martha: and not to overgeneralize about any group, but the traditional faith-based in many ways hispanic family that is not responding to what kamala harris is talking about and focusing on. >> gender and race, we talked
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about at a the outset would emerge as a big themes always because democrats have enjoyed great advantages with certain group9 of people. >> politics may be a dead end. >> what it shows is we're going to have to to as a party reformulate and reconstitute how we think about going after voters. if these votes hold up. and even if they don't, the numbers are narrowing. so you have to rethink this is and consider some different strategies. because as we sit here tonight, democrats have to be surprised. what we were told over the last several days about how her numbers wereing home, people were coming home -- bret: hold on one second. david plouffe said yesterday that she could win all seven battleground states and said that she could do it. now, maybe if it turned she could win six of seven, but he said seven of seven just the other day. >> he said. there was a confidence from him. and democrats abound that there was -- bret: all right. martha: all the polling said it could go either way.
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2nd district in the state of maine. bret:my senator angus king will win his race, so as we look now, the senate is ticking up. we're going to the look at some interesting races in ohio and montana coming up. martha: let's check in with aishah hasnie if at the trump campaign headquarters in west palm beach, florida, where i would imagine the mood is fairly good. >> reporter: it is very good, martha. you know, earlier this evening a lot of folks were coming up to me and saying they're not sure if they're going to get a decision tonight, they thought it was going to take a few days, and that has completely flipped, and people are expecting there to be an answer tonight and it to be favor favorable for the former president. i just talked to a campaign official who tells me over in mar-a-lago where former president trump is right now watching the results come in, the mood there is positive. and i'm working to confirm right now if the former president made some remarks to a crowd there and what exactly he said, but
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everyone there appears to be feeling very, very good. and just found out as well that speaker mike johnson, house speaker, who's in shreveport, louisiana, right now appears to be making plans to come here to be with former president trump. back to you. martha: aishah, thank you very much. we'll keep a close eye on trump headquarters as we continue to give you more updatessen on what's going on right now. you know, we don't have a call for any new states at this point. we're waiting for montana, waiting to get a look at the sheehy race, and we have some new guests who have joined us on the panel that we want to get to, so let's welcome them in. bret: as we get ready for the top of the hour, we'll a make some new calls -- martha: calls first and then right to you guys. wow. time is going so fast. [no audio] there we go. bret: it is now 11 p.m. in new york and four west coast states have just finished voting.
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