to pick one and its had several consecutive quarters of triple digit growth but the question is how much can it continue to defy gravity so i'm looking at intel which is relatively cheap based on book value and it could benefit from a homegrown chip push and there's also been some take over speculation. >> that's an interesting pick, the intel fabs are cropping up in ohio corn fields. thanks guys. to read more check out this weeks edition at barrons.com. follow us on x, on facebook and instagram for the latest updates. enjoy the football, family and leftovers and that's all for us we'll see you next week on barrons roundtable. larry: hello folks welcome to kudlow i'm larry kudlow.

so voters are smart and they decided enough is enough and they led donald trump to a landslide victory of historic proportions, a miracle of american democracy. we've got joe concha and mark simone and tammy bruce on all that and just a few moments, and markets are giving trump a 1,500 point vote of confidence. wow. we also have senator rick scott, congresswoman elise stefanik waiting in the wings and moments away kamala harris is about to give her white flag of surrender speech at howard university which she should have done last night but we'll take you to it when it happens. we'll run the whole speech. all right, donald trump writing a populous revolt to a new golden age. that's the subject of the rif. donald trump won a landslide victory yesterday. he swept all of the swing states and broke down the so-called blue wall of wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. he had good coat tails bringing

five new republican senators in, and the house is going to remain in republican hands. mr. trump won the popular vote 51-47. roughly a margin of 5 million votes. it was a historic victory. similar to ronald reagan back in 1980. indeed, mr. trump has given us the greatest political comeback in american history. you may recall earlier this week, i made the case that the pollsters did not understand the populous surprise that was coming on election day. and sure enough, virtually none of them did. here's what they missed. mr. trump has put together an expanded populous working folks and middle american coalition, and that includes young, latinos, blacks, whites, asians, women, all right? trump four points better with women, and unions. he founded this coalition back in 2015-2016 and it has ebbed

and flowed over the years, but the key point in this election is that he expanded the coalition. he wasn't just speaking to the base. he was expanding the base. young voters had a 19 point shift to trump. black men 12 points. hispanic men 16 points. no college degrees 8 points. incomes under $50,000.10 points. catholics 8 points higher. most pollsters never understood the new trump coalition in the first place and they surely didn't understand how much he was expanding it and these are folks who felt left out and abandoned by the big shots in new york and washington d.c. and california, three-quarters of voters said biden-harris was piloting the country in the wrong direction. these folks are fed up with high prices, falling real wages, and affordability crisis, open

borders, crime, the woke culture, transgenderrism and dei and extremist climate policies and seemingly endless wars in europe and the middle east. this was the heart of the trump populous coalition. democrats were in complete denial. they never understood it. they never listened to these folks. instead, they called them names. deplorables, garbage, racist, sexist. they called trump a fascist and a nazi and a threat to democracy but nobody took the kamala democrat seriously. trump's populous coalition rejected big government socialism and the left wing wokism. democrat pollster mark penn was one of the few who seem to understand trump's worker coalition. republican pollster surely understood it as campaign manager suzi whiles and

chris lacevido. this was their strategy. expand the populous base especially young people and minorities. this is what mr. trump was doing in all those rallies in the garbage truck, adding salt to the fries at mcdonald's, speaking to catholic and other religious groups at the al smith dinner in new york, going to barber shops, rallies in the bronx, bodegas in harlem, the madison square garden rally and it worked. it was a smashing political victory and last night, in his victory speech, he told supporters that success would unify the country. he said promises made, promises kept. he intends to heal the country. he told them g god spared my lie to save the country and restore america to greatness. he speaks of a golden age for america. the voters have given mr. trump

an enormous mandate for change, and i believe he will use it to restore normalcy, peace, and prosperity. that's his ticket to greatness. and that's the rif. all right as we await kamala's surrender speech, joining us now mark simone, wor hall of fame radio host, joe concha, fox news contributor, and author of "progressively worse" and tammy bruce, also fox news contributor and author of"fear itself." okay, i'm going to start with joe concha. there you are. >> hi. larry: that was my rif. that's the coalition. democrats didn't understand it. pollsters didn't understand it. trump and his people understood it. and the thing is, he wasn't just playing to the base. this is my point. he was expanding the base the whole time and people just didn't see it for some reason. >> i remember july 21, i was in

cape may, new jersey just got on vacation and my wife looks at her phone and says biden just dropped out what do you think is it kamala and i said yeah, because that's where the money is and she said will she have a better chance and i said absolutely not. she's probably the worst candidate for the reasons you mentioned and she's like why do you think she will be worse? i said because she's not going into pennsylvania to connect with the teamsters, with united states steel, and united auto workers so she didn't have the unions and that's a big part of the stool for democrats and the fact she was hemorrhaging votes and trump was gaining votes with the black community, with hispanic, democrats don't have those three parts of the stool? crashes over. larry: there it is and you saw the crash last night, and tammy bruce, the i mean, trump is broadening, so here, another way to look at it. republicans used to talk about a big 10. trump has made the biggest tent ever. i mean, this is a tent that is encompassing so many different

groups and surprising so many experts, and surprising all of the democrats. that's what i see and that was the story of this election. >> you know, and it works because it wasn't decided upon around a table, cultivated by political operatives or advisors. it's because that's who he is as a new yorker. that's who you have to be, because new york is everyone. it's really the capitol of the world. it's everyone's nature, right? you've got to be able to talk to people. you bump into them on the street. it's where you go. it is a popular place where you engage with individuals, so it's his new yorker-ness that made that natural. that was in remains his key, this is him, organically. it's just this guy doing this. he's not a creation like biden or kamala. you don't have to rethink it each night to adjust to what's going on, but i think

instinctively he knew to make a business work, you've got to appeal to everyone. everyone matters. larry: there you go. >> everyone is part of your process and that's what he was doing. this campaign, it's a business. the country is the biggest corporation in the world, but it has to be owned by everyone. larry: i mean, we're customers. i love that. i love that. that's a wonderful network. i just want to say his new yorkerness, i like that. i would just say his queens new yorkerness. you know what i mean? because the queens thing is really, the queens thing goes to the $25 hair cut barber shop. the queens thing gets in a garbage truck to hang around and play with it. the queens thing goes to mcdonald's. the elites, you know, if you are harvard, yale, princeton thing you wouldn't have gotten in a garbage truck. >> didn't stop him but people see that as natural. it's not contrived. anything kamala did was contrived. different accents, different things. it was completely fake. trump has always been exactly

himself and we love him. larry: mark simone, why didn't kamala, the democrats, understand any of this? why? they were in denial. right to the bitter end. she's giving a speech that still is attacking trump as a fascist and a nazi and whatever else they attacked him with. no policies nothing ordinary people could understand. why didn't they see this and get this? >> they live in this bubble. whenever a person says to me, i don't know anybody that votes for trump. well then you live in a terrible world. half the people you know should be voting for trump. you're living in a little bubble. they don't get he grew up on construction sites and spent his life on construction sites. he knows those people, those workers, and if you want to inspire your kids, teach them this story. this is the ultimate rocky story. he's always talked about never give up. making a comeback. work as hard as you can day and night. don't ever quit if they are shooting at you don't stop, don't quit and he put on a

demonstration that should be studied forever and how to conduct yourself in business and anywhere, just fight until the very end and never give up. larry: he's talking a lot in the last, i'll say certainly the last week, maybe the last two weeks, of a new golden age in america, and, you know, he will follow-up with prosperity and so forth and so on. it's a vision, okay? so he has a vision and i think it's an authentic vision. i think he believes that people know him believe that he believes that. i didn't understand what kamala's vision was. her vision. i mean, i heard about price controls and rent controls, and more entitlements and more government spending and so forth. what was her -- he had the vision thing, she had the non-vision thing. the vision thing won. >> well he had what reagan had. if you go back 10 years ago, 20 years ago, he was always saying the same things. he never changed. she had this flip flop, you

know, no flip flopper ever wins, ask john kerry, and she had this weird vagueness about it just like reagan's morning in america, cleaning up the jimmy carter years and that's what'll happen here. larry: joe, let's go back to this. he has this remarkable coalition, as tammy said. i love this metaphor, a businessman knows you have to expand your customer base. there's no end to that really, and he does it, you know, he goes to the customers. he talks to the customers. i mean, it's head-to-head with the customers. literally in the mcdonald's. i'm using that as a metaphor but in the garbage truck or literally in the barber shop. now, president-elect for a couple of months and then president. what happens here? how does this play out? >> well we talked about in tammy's reference there is excellent about talk together your customers, but whose going to be on his board of directors and you look at the people that were on stage with him the most. obviously his runningmate j.d. vance what a great story out of

the rust belt of ohio to eventually become a senator, a marine, yale, law school and then elon musk one of the most successful businessmen in creative minds for all-time never voted for a republican before and he's out there, tulsi gabbard got more delegates than kamala harris when she ran for president at the democratic nominee, rfk jr. , vivek, this isn't like a bunch of rich white people on stage, you know, saying tax cuts for the rich. this is a team i think a lot of people voted for on top of trump who to your point can talk to these folks the way no other politician can quite frankly. larry: tammy, let's talk about j.d. vance for a minute because trump said last night, well, i turned out he was a little controversial, but j.d. vance i think turned out to be quite an asset for him, and the other thing trump said was he would send j.d. vance dealt with these crazy people on the sunday talk shows for cnn and msnbc, and

stuff like that. was j.d. vance a big surprise, really, came through? what do you think? >> i think so. traditionally we think that when we think about the board of directors that you want like a biden or somebody with the experience but we've learned that, in fact, it's a trap. you want fresh ideas. you want somebody who loves the country but through generational, vance is a young man, what is he 40? he's a young man so he knows how to talk with these people who are sitting across the table from him. you are a bit more as i will recall being his age, you were much more invested in the nature of your romanticism, your ideology, what is important to you, you're there to fight for it, and you know, you have a general sense of what's possible. that's what he brings, plus, his success where he came from. look, obviously, a home life that was extraordinary, drugs, the nature of perhaps being another statistic, and rising up out of that. elon musk, an immigrant, grew up

in a domestic violence household, escaping violence with sister and a brother and his mom going from country to country, finally getting here. these are american stories. in our souls, this is who we can relate to, and that's why he's so appealing. it's why trump is who he is very different background, than both of them but they are still outsiders, strangely enough. it's when fdr was called a trader to his class because he was rich. so was trump. so was musk. traitors to their class because they care more about the people-first and that's how we find the blend. larry: middle americans. >> brilliant. larry: here, let's play some sound. we've got some tape. the white flag of surrender from kamala has not yet occurred. let's play some trump tape, message for the next four years here it comes. >> i believe the greatest political movement of all-time, we are going to fix everything about our country. i will not rest until we have

delivered the strong, safe, and prosperous america that our children deserve and that you deserve. this will truly be the golden age of america. many people have told me that god spared my life for a reason. >> [applause] >> and that reason was to save our country and to restore america to greatness. larry: play more sound, more tape, we're still waiting for kamala's surrender speech. mr. trump on building a coalition. play some tape, please. >> we've built the biggest, the broadest, the most unified coalition, young and old, men and women, rural and urban, they came from all corners union, non-union, african americans, hispanic-american, asian-american, arab-american,

muslim-american. it was a historic realignment, uniting citizens of all backgrounds around a common core of common sense. you know we're the party of common sense. larry: i wrote about that monday. i just want to say. i touted that coalition, i believe you were here for it. >> yup. larry: mark? i want to say, trump winning with those themes and the authenticity we're all talking about and tammy i'd love your customer base idea, probably going to steal it but i'll give you credit for it. >> please do. larry: i want to say trump is a great man. trump has greatness, right now. he has greatness in the opportunity, but what he's done, written off, go back four years, all right? go back to january 6. go back to january 7. whatever. go back to the indictments, go back to the lawfare, go back to putting him into jail for 750

years, go back to the impeachmentments and abuse he's taken by the media, he's a great man and has already proven himself and now he will make the country great again. >> yesterday he did a million things, up until 3:00 a.m. he's a work-aholic. didn't you say kamala was going to speak about 20 minutes or so ago? larry: coming up here on kudlow, bond rates are way up, and stock markets have been falling now day after day. it's because the fed made an enormous mistake, juicing up the economy, to try to reelect kamala, and now they look even worse than ever. so, we'll have a conversation with that with john carney of breitbart and scott bessent, i'm kudlow.

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basis points since the fed had the jumbo rate cu cut of 50 bass points. the fed looks like a damn fool i'm sorry they do. >> they repealed the fed rate cut, basically. and they said the market is saying to the fed, you did the wrong thing, and this isn't going to go away, larry. right now, they do think they are going to cut in november, but that december cut is going to come out of the market very soon because people will see the numbers still coming in. larry: if they cut the rate in november i know you want to be a little bit more statesman-like about that because you're advising mr. trump but the fact remains if the fed cuts again in november there's no reason bond rates won't go up more. they are feeding into inflationary expectations. we don't have a collapsing economy. we still have stubborn inflation even though it's at a slower pace the level of prices is still 20% above where it was three and a half years ago, scott. i mean, the fed should acknowledge that, either that or

if mr. trump wins jay powell should resign is my view. >> well, larry. if, if -- larry: you don't have to answer the last part. >> no, no, if somehow the next move is a hike, jay powell should resign. larry: a rate hike. >> yes, and i can't tell you, i think my most s most successful strategy this year, they have a so-called dot plot where they signal what the path of rates is going to be and its been wrong every time. every time. so, beginning of the year, at one point, maybe last november's pricing in five cutses and then giving of the year three and then a little religion and in june it was one and then things weakened over the summer so they came back and this time it's three, but this jumbo rate cut i said it the day it happened, completely inappropriate, and jay powell, there's a study that shows people who have fallen

keep looking down at their feet which makes them fall more, so jay powell keeps looking at his feet. he let the great inflation happen, now he's terrified that there's going to be a recession and what happens if we get this inflation like we did in the 60s because this is just how it happened. larry: i mean, scott is right. the economic estimates by the fed are completely wrong. a couple of things i want to chew on but this fed thing is such a bad story, and it's starting to hit into the stock market. he was overly exuberantly doveish going all the way back to the fed jackson hole meeting in august. i think that was the first surprise, and then the september jumbo rate cu cut of 50 basis points. but the rhetoric even in september. you kind of smelled the rat way back in august. whatever, you know, we think the fed knows more than we do. i don't think the fed necessarily knows more than we do and arguably with their poor models they know less.

>> mary daley just said to the "wall street journal" yesterday she saw no new information that would mean that the fed should slow down cuts. i mean -- larry: the san francisco fed. >> the san francisco fed said no new information which means they shouldn't keep cutting and so that goes to what you're saying. they are just blind. everybody else in the market sees that obviously this was a mistake, that obviously, they need to slow down the cuts at the very least, and the next move could well be up, and i agree with you guys. if it's up, powell has got to go. larry: it's an interesting point. >> up and out is what i'd say. larry: scott you've written a good op-ed piece for the economist. the world trading system is broken, in a word. now we won't solve all that today, but the world trading system is broken as you point out, and the hopes on the economic and national security front have certainly not been realized, particularly in the era of china.

what do you make of that, and i know we're not going to solve it alitall today, but do you have a couple of thoughts we can chew on? >> larry, free-trade has become unfair trade and more and more working class whether it's americans, europeans, even south americans, are rebelling against free-trade and the doors going to get slammed shut if we don't fix this system, and in medicine or biology, what's the worse condition? it's a mutation and right now we've got a mutation of the system that is not working. china is the most imbalanced country in the history of the world, and they are exporting their industrial policy, their economics to us, and donald trump has a solution and it's reciprocal tariffs . you, the great art laffer, was the one who told me, donald trump is a free-trader, at the end of the day, and it's a strategy escalate to deescalate.

larry: i say to people, reciprocity is the new free-trade but you point this out in your article. you can't have, if the united states is running essentially a free market economy, probably less so now than four years ago but putting that aside, we are relatively speaking, a free market economy, with a very low average tariff rate of only about 2%-plus. china is not a free market economy. india is not a free market economy, and they have tariff rates that are three, four, and five times the size of ours, so therefore, traditional free-trade economic literature doesn't work because you don't have any equivalence between the trading countries. >> exactly right and look, we're even having problems with working within the us. california is really upset with what's going on in the red states, texas, florida, everyone's moving there. industry has taken off, the red state economies are great. new york, california, people are leaving, so imagine trying to

impose some kind of similarity or use the correct term, equivalence versus china. even our european trading partners, germans have a lower propensity to consume. our allies in japan, they seem to like a weak yen, which sets up an unfair trading environment. larry: coming up here on kudlow, open borders, defunding the police, no more fracking, no more growth, no more tax cuts, no more anything. that's kamala and biden's, i don't know what that is, kamala's biden 2.0 agenda, it's quite a phrase. anyway we'll talk about all of that with vivek ramaswamy. when a tough cough finds you on the go, a syrup would be...

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larry: joining us now vivek ramaswamy, former presidential candidate, trump surrogate. vivek? i don't know. the democrats are looking for a

winning horse. i don't know how they're going to find one. actually the democrats are looking for a unicorn but there is no such thing as a democratic unicorn, vivek. you know that. the only unicorn in the race is donald j. trump. anyway, what do you think about this? >> so look. i think the democrats have gone to great length to try to defeat donald trump. that's why i still remain skeptical it's automatically going to be kamala harris. the reality is the longer this goes in some ways it's actually better for them because whoever their new candidate is they hope november comes around while they are still in the honey mood phase with that new candidate. the bottom line for us is it doesn't matter who they put up. we're not running against a candidate. we are running against a machine and once we see it that way, we realize our objective is to go in and dismantle that machine, in the administrative state, in the managerial class that's what donald trump is going to do and the more we focus on our own agenda, irrespective of the shenanigans and suffering of the other side the stronger we're going to be regardless of

who they put up so that's my view. larry: you know, vivek, for all those reasons which are good reasons and, you know, you've been talking to us about this for quite a while. i don't think the secret service should investigate the secret service. okay? i just don't. they are not qualified. this woman has got to go. everybody knows that. frankly her top lieu ten apt, anybody associated with what happened in butler, pennsylvania, should go. they need outside experts. i mean, they are not going to inform america about what happened and how it should be fixed. i just don't buy it, vivek, what do you think? >> i think yes, that's absolutely spot-on but it goes to a deeper issue with bureaucracy in the federal government, larry. there is no accountability period. across the three-letter agencies not just the secret service. the people we elect to run the government are not the ones running the government. they are unelected bureaucrats setting policy across-the-board. you see a disaster or

near-disaster like this one. it's a wake-up call but this is ubiquitous in the federal government. anybody whose been in washington d.c. knows that's really where power is exercised with zero accountability to show for it, so should there be outside investigations for outside an agency when something goes wrong within one? of course but the deeper issue is we need to get in there and shutdown much of the bureaucracy. that hasn't happened in a generation. i think we have a once in a generation opportunity to do it. not only by electing donald trump, but by doing it against the backdrop of a supreme court that also agrees that much of the bureaucracy is down right unconstitutional, and i think if there's one thing that saves this country for the next two centuries it will be mostly to shut down that fourth branch of government and restore a government that's actually accountable to the people rather than the other way around. larry: 100% you're totally on-message. vivek ramaswamy, little short today but thank you, my friend. appreciate it very very much. great speech at the convention. we appreciated that.

all right, folks joining us now, comments more on the democrat search for a unicorn, mollie hemingway, editor and chief at the federalist and fox news contributor, ben domenech, i'm going to get it, editor at-large at the spectator, and fox news contributor. kids, i just want you to hear one more. this is toward the back end of mr. trump's speech at the convention. i was going to throw the convention. do you have the convention? do we have the convention one? i want to play it one more time because it's so important and uplifting and visionary to use marsha blackburn. take a listen, please. >> as you're seeing democrat party is not the party of democracy. they are really the enemies of democracy and they keep saying he's a threat to democracy. i'm saying what the hell did i do for democracy? last week i took a bullet for democracy. larry: yes there you go. isn't that something? last week i took a bullet for democracy.

mollie hemingway what do you think about that line? that is some line, kind of cuts through the fog if you ask me. >> yeah, just amazing the democrats have been running this entire campaign claiming that republicans are a threat to democracy and you have in the trump candidacy a nomination now. the people really choosing this person over and against clearly what the entire regime wants. it's a beautiful picture of what happens when the people get to pick their own person. on the other hand you have in the democrat party, they did choose their nominee, it was joe biden and very powerful interests the media and other top democrats knew he was unlikely to win so they just replaced him with someone else, and it's very anti-democratic and very weird but it is what we are living through right now. larry: ben, you know, that's not exactly democracy. molly has got an important point. they may keep dumping other people if kamala, so they put kamala up. you do polling in the next couple days. her polling has been terrible.

i don't know why it'll improve any particularly in the swing states. they keep looking for a democratic unicorn. there's no such thing as a democratic unicorn. ben? what do you think. >> well, i think, larry, i'm going to slightly disagree only because i think that the media is going to do such a production job of trying to turn kamala harris into something that she's not so over the course of the coming weeks and the run-up to this democratic convention in chicago, they are going to be fully invested in that. she's already got the hollywood dollars coming her way. she's already got the backing of the soros regime and backing of nancy pelosi and i think with that consolidation she goes from being hypothetical to being someone that democrats are going to try to unite around but also, i think they are going to essentially be trying to guard against her having any slip-ups whatsoever. they are going to try to spin this into something she's really not. they are going to try to turn her into that unicorn and so soi

think it's important for american people to see kamala harris for who she is. someone whose never won over voters and really only in the occupying the position she's in right now because of the democratic party elite, as opposed to anybody actually picking her from the ground-up. she was a terrible candidate in the past in california. she was a terrible candidate when she ran for president and the truth is, she would not be in this position without those people in power choosing her over anybody else in this field this potential field who could potentially be a better candidate. larry: that's the thing about it. unicorns are only in your fantasies. it's a fantasy land thing. it's not a real thing. they try to turn media, ben is so fond of, didn't really do that well defending joe biden, if you think about it, really, i mean, they kind of went there and then the debate ended all of that and as i said earlier in the show, i think the republican convention knocked biden out

completely. i think it knocked out the democrats completely. they can't pursue anything like that. i mean, molly, would you advocate that the republicans and mr. trump changed his strategy all of a sudden because of kamala harris or is she, in fact, joe biden 2.0 and in fact she's to the left of 2.0? >> yeah, there's something of a gift here for the republicans in that kamala harris is as ben notes, someone whose even less popular than joe biden is or has been so unpopular. the media will engage in propaganda unlike anything we have seen until this moment to get her across the finish line but it will be difficult because she actually does not present in any way as moderate because of her both rhetoric and track record. big argument was that biden was kind of moderate and kind of competent and she does not, she's not moderate, at no point has she had competence on the trail, so and she's not in any way running from

the biden-harris agenda and so that means that the campaign can continue, but republicans should be aware that democrats win election by moving ballots into the ballot boxes, not by having a good candidate or good message and so they should not in any way rest on their laurels just because they have yet another bad candidate.

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larry: joining us on set timothy cardinal dolan, thank you for doing this. >> larry i'm the one whose grateful. larry: no, no, terrific stuff. a couple of things. with the , i don't want to politicize this. let's just talk in general terms. one of the issues facing this country, you talk about this all of the time, you write about this. the need for religious freedom. >> thank you. larry: let's start there. >> let's start there and you bet we need to talk about it. we can never take these rights for granted, all right? our founders put freedom of religion the first in the first of the 10 amendments to the bill of rights, okay? because they knew it was essential to a vibrant democracy. we can never take that for granted. i say that larry, as an american. what makes this nation great is the vitality of religion, the freedom of religion and that

religion is a cherished place in the public square. unfortunately there's some movements that would want to deter that and diminish that and we can't let that happen. it's a freedom that deserves strong defense, and constant vigilance. larry: and keep it front and center and that kind of bridges to the second one, and that's the issue of school choice and funding. so parents can get tax credits and take them in some cases federal tax credits to the school of their choice, but there are people that don't want the school of their choice to be a private school or a religious school. that strikes me as a very bad idea. >> i'm glad and you be surprised i agree with you, wholeheartedly. good news though. 32 of our 50 states now have some type of parental choice in education and we got to keep expanding that. actually it's kind of tied to your first topic, larry, religious freedom. why? because we're talking about parental rights. the supreme court itself way

back in 1920 said that the child is not the creature of the state. it's the parents who are the primary educators. i can't figure this out. we americans are known for our common sense, we are suspicious of monopolies, and yet we got this government school of monopoly that is strangling you're educational system and denying parents the right to see that their hard-earned tax money going to education, they can't use it to send their kids to the school of their choice, so to me, it's kind of a no-brainer, and i'm hoping we make progress. larry: in general, in general, there's far too much, my view, i don't care if you call it woke or cancel culture or whatever, but there's far too much hostility to religion, religion thinking, religion in the family, religion in the community, religion in

the schools, far too much secularity if that's the right word, i don't understand. i don't understand, how you could have a great country, how you could have tightly knit families, how you can have communities that get along without some religious sense and guidance and morality alongside it. i don't understand it. >> i don't understand it either, larry and nor did our founders, remember the most commentator on the american genius. he came in the 1830s and he said, he came from france and he said, how is this experiment of democracy going to keep from diminishing in the mob rule and he said i'll tell you in the united states what's going to keep that from happening is the role of religion because americans cherish religion with freedom of religion and take religion seriously. they know that even though

religion is personal, it's never private, you bring your values into the public square and therefore, spice up democracy and if you don't have that, you don't have kind of a what, a moral guard rail on some of the base emotions, so i do worry as an american, and i'm afraid you're right. i don't think you're being an alarmist here. i detect a scary, growing, animosity to religion. neutrality to religion, no problem there. nor should any religion ever be favored or given a special privilege, certainly not government establishment but religion has always had a role of kind of respect and welcome at the table of american democracy and there are some now, a growing number, i'm afraid who said religion is fine for those weak irrational people that depend on it. larry: i hate that. >> if you want to keep it to an hour on the sabbath but don't bring your religious values.

larry: god gives us guidance, whoever your god is god gives us guidance and moral clarity. you know, god changed my life. >> i know that. larry: he rescued me about that and i am, of course ever grateful. >> that's the kind of woke we need and the american history we used to call them the awakenings. remember, there's been a number in american history where people rediscovered their religious roots and turned to the light above instead of all of these false signals all around them and that's when america's vibrant. larry: terrific stuff so you're here to help us open up the christmas season. >> so i hear. larry: i'll help you and exercise whatever influence i have, even though i don't take a drop. anyway, but this is also, i'm going to be off next week but next week is a great holiday. thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving to you. larry: and to you, sir. it is a moment of gratitude. it seems to me this is still a great country and i think that

it will only get greater but i know you preach about gratitude all the time. i thought you'd give us a word on that. >> gratitude is the beginning of all virtue. gratitude is also in itself an act of faith. we're only grateful if we realize that certain gifts come from without and not from within. they aren't ours by right. we aren't entitled to them so we obviously turn to the maker of the universe and give him any name you want and we're grateful, okay? and when we're grateful we want to liveliers of gratitude, all right? meaning responsible. virtuous, diligent, and that, again, thanksgiving is religious at its root and i often think is there another country in the world where the entire country takes a day and bows its head and thanks almighty god for the blessings that we got? i don't know of any other ones, we sure do it on steroids here in the united states and i'm

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