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so doge is hottest ticket in town, getting ready to chop down regulatory state. plus we must not wait for trump tax cuts 2.0. we have brian brenberg, liz peek, jason chaffetz on that and congressman jim jordan, senator kevin cramer, and pete hegseth looks better and better so because kash patel, but first up hillary vaughn on capitol hill, a busy day, what is the latest on the doge invasion? reporter: we're on hour 5 of what has been a marathon brainstorming session with elon musk and vivek ramaswamy who are holding court with lawmakers, we caught up with senator marsha blackburn who came out of the meeting to tell us this is an open mic night, law make takes turns to the mic and pitching

their ideas to elon musk and vivek ramaswamy on where to make cuts. >> they are doing intake, they are listening. they are looking for ideas. here is the thing, every single member of the house and senate are a part of this effort, we hope our democrat colleagues will join us. reporter: today capitol hill field trip not just about getting down to dirty details about where to trim fat but a way for p musk and ramaswamy to sniff out who will help them, and who will get in the way, some democrats edg doge does not hold purse springs -- purse strings. they are a gang gang of 2 with zier have we

authority, i tried to get insight from them. >> how much do you think you could cut without congress' help. >> on the way to meeting, but we'll have a great discussion today. >> how do you win over people who say doge doesn't have power. >> mr. musk how do you convince people who don't want to cut spending to cut? reporter: congressman tim burchett put it to me this way, said problem is in the room right now. with musk and ramaswamy all lawmakers, issue is human nature. everyone seems to be open to cutting, spending, rooting out waste but when if comes down to it, if it is taken off their dinner plate they will not be happy. larry: sure, welcome to the swamp. hillary vaughn reporting on the cramp th -- swamp we

appreciate it. >> thank you. larry: doge taking out regulatory state that is the -- subject of the riff. >> if you have not followed story, department of government efficency. run by elon musk and vivek ramaswamy, announce governmental department, that is wonderful. two super stars running all day today on the hill briefing members of both parties and president trump is behind their effort. most everyone seems to be in favor of the work of doge, even though a lot of people don't understand what doge is trying to do. for example many elected officials are saying how wonderful it is we have a commission to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse. reduce government costs, and cut the budget deficit. that is true to some extent,

i think real purpose is doge is vast under taking to stop unelected regulatory state that has been misgoverning america for too long, as steve forbes put it, socialist type val -- central plans in modern able operates through hundreds of thousand of unelected bureaucrats who exercise their vast power over the economy through over 220 regulatory agencies, that is right we looked it up. now in my conversation with vivek ramaswamy, it seems that chopping down the regulatory state and reducing the over extended government power of the executive branch is a p a -- principle doge goal, i have served two presidents

down through the years but i had no idea there were over 220 of these agents, emergency tax -- american taxpayers don't need them all. many are total unnecessary. vivek told me several times he intends to use supreme court decisions such as west virginia versus epa, and so-called chevron deference decision, both of which criticize regulators for doing things without any congressional mandate. that is what central planners do. they invent their authority to run the country. but well is no constitutional authority. there is no congressional authority. there is no taxpayer authority. they just do it to enhance their own power. they have been getting away with it for a vor language time. -- very a very long time until now, until doge, vivek

and elon intend to inc. earningliminate main of the agents and reduce head count of bureaucracy, one small item is government employees who down bother to come to their offices to work. federal buildings are. tie, why not lease them out to private sector companies make money. oh, yeah what is that noise? a combined knee knocking of millions of government workers worried about their jobs, they should be. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy want to look at federal procure am policies, and look for large scale budget reductions, work through -- and his office will of information and regulatory affairs to implement the doge recommendations, budget cutting number has been floating around for a while, it may be possible, really work and value of doij is

not tied up in the washington d.c. swamp cliche of ending waste fraud and abuse, higher mission here is to take a part the unelected regulatory state and chop down wherever possible the alphabet agencies that have been so badly mismanaging the american economy for so many years. ththat is a worthy cause. that is the riff. all right. joining me now, jason chaffetz former house oversight committee chair, fox news contributor and brian brenberg, co-host of the big money show on fox business. and liz peek, syndicate the columnist and a fox news contributor, fabulous. jason chaffetz, over sight chair, what did you do. >> crazy, but you know. larry: good thing you have come back to tv. >> for first time we have an

atmosphere, i was dialing with president biden -- dealing with president biden they didn't want to cut anything, we had harry reid in senate, i passed cut, cap and balance, 100 billion in spending cuts. larry: don't get defensive. >> i am if bugs me. >> the airing of grievances. if we had done this, in 2011 we would not have this problem, donald trump has made fiscal restraint sexy again, and convinced american people now he has a mandate to get it done combined with chevron difference ruling -- deference ruling from the supreme court, that -- it say you can't just make up the rules, by regulators, you have to starve the beast, and that is what i think doge is doing and why this is exciting. larry: liz, it could be the

most important thing that happens under trump. possible. it so vast and sweeping. you have two intellectuals and two activist intellectuals who want to work on this. they are going whole hog, this stuff about they don't have power, they don't have direct power. it will be codified to legislation. but. not about waste, fraud and abuse, it is 'chopping down the tral planning recession la door -- regulatory state that wrecked this country and economy and cull during. >> it continues to grow. when they talk about no power, they forget about the voters, voters are very much onboard with this, they have done so brilliant, they have crowd sources that whole enterprise of do doge, they are on twit oh, x or whatever and other

platforms, saying if you have ideas let us know, what do you think about this? it is rivetting, you know, i have a childish enthusiasm for doge, i think it is most exciting thing that happened in such a long time. and then you come up to the white house, joe biden just agreeing with the government employees union that actually will protect 42,000 members of social security administration from having to go back to their office that is the kind of resistance that we're seeing. larry: that is that sound i keep hearing from washington. it is knees knocking. the government employees who don't show up. >> you know what you do? you move the organization, remember robert townsend, head of chrysler a million years ago he wrote a business management book said you takeover move headquarters only people you want and want to work for you will come along, whether

to is so much so much or fbi -- social security or fbi it is not easy but they can get stuff. >> a lot of real estate in alaska i think. >> true. >> larry: they could move cattle from ye yellowstone, a lot they could do, they will be workers in oil fields for landmark, is is all good on tv bad in tc . >> brian, your knowledge, talking to vivek and i talk to him a lot this last year, not just about waste, fraud and abuse, not even making government employees come or not come to work, this is about chopping down the unelected regulatory state and those bury bureaucrats. >> to be clear what that means for voters, people in middle america and outside of dc trying to runningses

and families and filling up cars, and they feel like it every turn there is a form there is a prohibition or a rule that keeps them from doing what they know how to do, they are asking, doge i think is unlock the potential, and you have two trillion of regulations on the books, you can get that it might not all be spending some will be taking away cost that americans bear right now.. >> regulatory. larry: taking away their authority to inflict those regulations. that is what the supreme court decisions will do. chevron deference decision said no we'll not defer to government regulators, epa versus west virginia, said no, you cannot set emissions control that was never written to a law. you you be proud. >> i am -- yes.

larry: hold the flag high. >> boost him back high. >> you didn't help but you done hurt. larry: you have potential to rise. >> poor jason. >> i like this. larry: i havi -- vivek, a smart guy, he wants to use the supreme court decisions to remove the authority of this regulatory bureaucracy super state central planning, that is wrecked the american economy and culture for 75 years. >> we dealt with this in house judiciary committee and got rid of it in trump administration biden brought it back first day, it is a scheme eregulatory gd goes to someone they would regulate saying we could take you to court and you have file on your 10k and make a decision as a public company you have to disclose

you are under investigation or you can enter in a settlement treatment and pay 50 million, and we have a list of nongovernment organizations, these democratic organization you can make a donation of 45 million to them, and then we will just announce that we have mutually agreed you are under no fault this happened in community banks and credit unions and any industry, and was blackmail. they did it in mass there are untold billions of dollars schemed out like this and donald trump i think is committed to getting rid of that. larry: i think high is right. this thing developed during the campaign, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy started it. it was not part of original campaign, trump embraced it, a lot dsome on both sides of ai aisle.

brian, related to this, that is trump tax cuts 2.0 in my opinion cannot wait for a variety of reasons, we have ways and means chairman jason smith on yesterday he said no, we must not wait, you will note get two recon bills it never happened in last 25 years. i don't know who hatched this idea. whether it was thune or whoever. but, trump's constituency for victory were working folks. hispanics, blacks, asians, young people -- >> everyone. larry: across the board, they want more after tax pay. they want more take home pay. >> right, to use ronald reagan's phrase. larry: trump promised them tax cuts, not only extent

original tax cuts. that the, -- small business tax deductiontion. and maybe 15% corporate tack, trump made that promise. now, he has to keep it. he has to get to blue collar boom going right away, i don't want to wait until second half of year or 4th quarter with tax cuts expire and 5 trillion dollar tax hike next year, he needs to make good on his promise brian it has to be stopped two recon business. >> more than just making good on his promise, i agree, it was after tax income it was weekly average wages, it of the household net worth, that is what people remembered about first trump presidency, why they felt good about america and good about his prospects if you wait on that, you delay on number one thing that people think about

trump. larry: it was the number one thing. >> biggest thing. >> every poll. >> now you can get energy reforms and reopen spigots and permitting by executive order, you can -- i will give them money in the reconciliation bill to build a wall, i am all for that and remain in mexico. you must have immediately, a tax cut campaign. now liz peek, saving best for last. let me find it. so important here it is. the scott bessent bond market rally and donald trump stock market ra rally, bes bessent bond market rally, market -- best

to last for you. >> thank you. >> well, i think that market likes the fact that the 7t certainty is there after election the post election day rally is biggest ever. why because of deregulation and promise of lower taxes, folks. >> thank you. >> how could we have elected kamala harris when she was running on 5 trillion dollar tax hike, no one talked about that, i will never understand, that republicans did not press that home. that is -- i agree, i don't think why thune is talking about another bill first that is bizarre. and really not a good idea. larry: you want to say something about that you probably don't. the last word. >> can i move from my s a c-uplus on an a, can i gett extra credit. donald trump is in a unique

position he can do it with moral authority and public. bring this idea they spent 5 hours talking about cutting, i was in congress we had less than 100 fiscal conservatives. and now it is like the sexiest thing in town even -- -- >> why can't you cut spending and taxing in the same reconciliation, and put money. >> only way you can do it. larry: and -- that is what you do, one big bill, the whole country focusing on it you start from day one with which january 20. you don't what he said, he said, 91. promises made, promises kept. i have to get out, jason chaffetz improving student, b-plus and brian brenberg, and liz peek, you can catch brian and jackie deangelis and taylor riggs on the big money show weekdays, one p.m. eastern, on fabulous

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larry: great house member, judiciary chairman jim jordan great state of ohio, i heard you were in meetings with i call the doge brothers. what did you hear? >> i was in meeting with the conference with both mr. ramaswamy and mr. musk, i met earlier with elon we talked about doge, a candidate i believe would be great for chair for ftc in trump administration, i thanked elon for what he meant to stopping censorship central complex and done to defend first amendment, him was just a good sign for so many people, i took time to

thank him in the meeting we talked about a lot of things, i love what you said in the opening not just about reducing spending. which we need, but also about making government more efficient by getting rid of regulations that hurt the economic growth. it is so purpose. and it is -- so important and make people come to work, people who work for government it is all remote in virginia or maryland, no. if you have to get to work, elon musk understands that like you do. i like what where they are headed, i think it will be helpful. larry: regulatory stap they want to stop, backed up by supreme court decision. it is the modern version of socialism, val plans -- st is central planning. they do not have a mandate from the constitution or tax payers, the unelected

bureaucrats enhance their power to run the joint and they have run it badly. >> the key word is unelected. not a single one of them put their name on a ballot an. they understand that, about hour system supposed to operate. that is part of the this. larry: jim jordan, ask you about it you said you have a great candidate to run ftc, you should be abolishes the federal trade commission, we tried to abolish that 40 years ago under president reagan, my saintly wife was press secretary for the damn thing, it serves no purpose but mischief. >> there is a number of

things to get rid of in our federal government, if we have them, you am someone who believes in free markets what what we were talking about not for using government to be weaponized again people. >> i'll take it under ad advisement. let me ask you something else, democrats are now asking joe biden for a pro emptive pardon of liz cheney, adam schiff and tony fauci. what is that about? preemptive pardons. >> done they criticize -- they didn't just criticized they went after my colleagues they said asked for to pardons, i don't know if they ever did, this is ridiculous. donald trump has never been about retribution, he has been about stopping agencies from being weaponized

against people and him, and lawfare we saw unfolded where fani willis, and alvin bragg and jack smith went after trump on ridiculous things that has been his position, this is the left continuing their crazy antics and crazy you know concerns. >> weirdest thing, trump is right, success is the best revenge. unify the nation, will en the divisions. he said it a million times, he never went after hillary clinton, he keeps saying that people are -- you know, they are projecting all of these left wing motives, that is all they are doing, one other point. >> they tried to use the 14th amendment to not lit h-- not let him run, thank goodness supreme court 9-0 said you can't do that, that is how crazy they have

become. larry: one quick i, jim jordan, mr. trump promised tax cuts, i think that trump tax cuts 2.0 must be in first reconciliation bill, i don't understand it, that was his promise, we need apa. >> come on jim jordan. >> i don't care we could do three, as most to be allowed i don't care what number s i care about it doing what we told consol voters we would do, we make this job way too complicated. if they elected you, go do what you said, no one did it better than trump, we have to help him, if it is one bill or two.

larry: it should be first thing, come on jim, you are supply s ci side -- tax cut argument is so important, they need better take home pay. that is why they voted for him. >> fair enough. if we can get it done in one great, remember we'll have a one vote majority. a one say the, so, we'll have to -- one seat, we have to figure out how it works. >> that is what i'm saying. >> you are not getting multiple co recon bills, you one vote majority, you are the smart guy. >> i have to go. >> all right. >> we have to get done what we said. >> best of the best. appreciate it. >> coming up senator kevin cramer said there no reasons to not be supportive ofpitpete hegseth, i'm for that, i am kudlow we'll be right back.

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larry: joining he now north dakota senator kevin kramer, to quote you, you can't see any reason, not to support pete hegseth for defense secretary. that is a bit of a change in your thinking can you tell us why it is very important this is a leadership position you are talking. >> important for me and my constituents. we'll see if others follow. it is purpose, to -- for senate to maintain the constitutional right to advise and content it is important we don't make knee-jerk decisions when we have someone like pete hegseth that is new to a lot of us. but after my long and frank discussion with pete, after talking to people and friends of pete as who know him personally and looking luol information and

allegations and accusations by people who are unnamed, if there are people, i believe that pete is the right person for the job at this time. i have always liked his attitude about kicking down doors and changing process and disrupting the place, and i love as a face peace through strength pete has a freight on -- f great one. deterant is not just a weapon system but a at attitude, a culture, a system, he is a warriors' warriors, the rank and mile military men and women can look to and say someone that representing us, not just guys w stars on their shoulders, i love them as well, pete convinced me. and i am convinced that either allegations are not

there or nobody is talking move on with it. >> you know, far out liberal trying to smear him, they will try to smear other cabinet nominees. main thing is. his agenda for pentagon, give me a minute on that, that is post important, he will bring new life to pentagon it was department to warriors, and as you put it american needs peace through strength. >> he talked about with me. the process of like a acquisition, research and development, why to we spend years researching something when you go to silicon valley you have

entrepreneurs with a.i. and ntechnologies we're caught in a long rut of making things hard, he wants to make hard things simple with integrity and dignity, that is what resonated, process, we have to move at speed of china, we do not, if we catch up. >> we'll have to spend money. we -- i'm sure there is money to be cut. and hopefully there is that d.e.i. crt money cut. but, at the end of the day in real dollars we'll have to beef it up. everyone ti tells me we're behind china for example with the navy. >> the navy, space, the air force i think in my view is more important, and it army marines that people on ground that rely on the other assets. they are high expensive. but that means a better relationship with our

allies, a stronger relationship against our oadversaries, we have a lot of things we could change but on spending side that is a big part of it, there probably savings within that bureaucracy. larry: senator kevin cramer thank you, sir, appreciate it much. >> all right, joining me now david malpass, former president of world bank. and e ej antoni. tony antoni. tony antoni. the scott bessent bond market rally and donald trump stock market rally. this was dan clifton put it out today, since bessent named treasury secretary long term yields have fallen and since donald trump run the election we have a

massive historic rally. i know market is sloppy today. everyone is hitting record highs. bessent for bonds, trump for stocks what do you make of it. >> the fact that markets whether equities or bonds are reacting to the professionals back in charge. trump is great for. and nobody knows i think fixed income side and sovereign debt side like bbessent does. >> david malpass, i think, scott bessent is a bril brilliant guy he is building a very good time, mike faulkender is out there. he will be deputy. two under secretaries, very important. the whole economic teamsome

category together. kevin hassett will make a great necdirector, working with scott bessent. i think david, your take, it is a very capable competent grouch t -- group that will make good on president trump's promises to cut taxes, cut regulations and improve energy and to fight back on trade. >> moving fast will be purpose bond market is reacting to idea of more growth within the economy. that is how you pay for all of the interest on the bonds, you have confidence sketches that you have been talking about, efficiently on government spending is important. one thing that i think is understated is energy

component. if you think about who'll pay interest on u.s. bonds, you have a joint new source -- giant new source one thing to talk about, is import act of making permanent some of tax cuts that is one big opportunity because if you can lockout the idea of regression in future years, you will get a payoff in terms of the growth and bond. what one thing that i think is climate spending has to be locked out into future, they could do that by submitting paris agreement to senate it would be rejected there would be more certainly if that, climate industrial complex is a huge spending that weighs on future paybility of the bonds. larry: e ej antoni, i want the tax cuts in the first piece of legislation. i want spending cuts, i'm

happy energy, the wall all that, but i want the tax cuts in there promises made, promises kept, as dave malpassed we need a sense of certainty it was mr. trump's promise and markets and businesses and small businesses and middle class blue collar workers they depend on that. >> you are right. people are counting on trump able to make good on this promise, i think we will be able to do it looking at 2017 every day news waffled back and forth, what were markets doing every time it looked like a bill would get done markets -- rallied, then freefall mode, you are right this is imperative they get it done and quickly. >> david malpass and ej antoni thank you for your

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larry: with great pleasure joining me now, old friend devin nunes. ceo now of trump media and technology group. devin great to see you. i'll come out, i have been advocating kash patel for fbi, i think he is the right man for the job, he was one of your top deputies when you ran the intelligence committee and he broke through russian host, maybe you could spin a yarn or too about how good kash patel office. >> thank you, you also worked with him in the white house. the fbi and do doj covered up our investigation, kash patel went on to better things. to the work for director of

national intelligence, department of defense, and his has been out in private sector, doing great things, i think that everyone that works with him, loves him, likes him, from my perspective, men and women in fbi that are out there towing tough work -- that are doing tough work, they want new leadership, they want someone new, i hear it all of time. larry: rank-and-file -- rad to dump leadership, leadership with all of its basis to left and against trump, are giving rank-and-file agency a bad name. >> you lived in new york. and worked in new york and washington, d.c., what the hell are the fbi agents doing in new york and washington, d.c.? when -- i'm not saying no one needs to be there to

we really need a new building in washington, d.c., we have there are government buildings that are empty all over washington tc, and further more. the -- look at criminality, all over the united states. you just had a ceo shot in cold flood outside of midtown manhattan. we have drugs, fentanyl, you name it, these things that i think that kash patel will right the fbi put it on right course to do what? keep american safe, that is what president trump ran on. larry: he broke through that russia, russia hoax, and so-called steel dossier. that was very important. that shows his power to get it done and investigate. >> that is why, he was beverly came to the house

intelligence committee, he was at department of justice, prosecuting terrorists. we brought him in because we needed that skill set, had we not had him, i think our members would say he gave that insight to how department of justice worked and how fbi should work, and what they should have been doing in case of russia hoax, and what they did not do, i think opposition you see in washington, d.c. in beltway and new york city it is by people who perpetuated the hoax they don't want kash patel there because they were involved in not only criminality but a cover-up of people at leadership level of doj and fbi, they were part of it, they guy about it and didn't do a damn thing, we need kash patel to right things.

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