>> i will go 30,000. stuart: it is often a correct but i will go with number one, 26,600. the coastline is made of 22,000s apart countries. they visit the mediterranean each and every year. stuart: we are tapped dancing to get to the end of the show. thanks for being with us. coast-to-coast starts now. it is yours. neil we had some technology on its way, nasdaq racing i had at its

36th record high after it closes, anything above yesterday. keeping pace with that it is up 33% year to date. a few weeks left to go this year. the biggest catalyst might be relatively stable, for those shopping and grocery stores prices are high but a lot of other things are beginning to come down from the level of advancing we are seeing. they are proceeding to go up at a smaller pace. edward lawrence following that at the white house. >> that was a big part of this increase. the white house trying to rewrite history. the white house economic advisor saying, quote, for four months in a row inflation has been close to the level before the pandemic but the fact is year-over-year inflation is

2.7% and inching up. february 2020 before the country locked down inflation was 2.3% in economic terms, one. 4% of% the month president biden took office. president biden trying to stoke fear about the change americans voted for. >> president biden: seems opposed to steep universal tariffs on all goods brought into this country on a mistaken belief that foreign countries will bear the cost of those tariffs. i believe this approach is a major mistake. >> reporter: republican supporters say there's a track record here. >> if they were so catastrophic for the american consumer, why has he done nothing about them? because everything we heard is completely wrong. the tariffs did not cause

runaway inflation, it was biden's overspending. >> reporter: a stunning admission about the federal debt. listen to this. >> i am concerned about fiscal sustainability and i am sorry we haven't -- i believe the deficit needs to be put down especially now that we are in an environment of higher interest rates. >> reporter: the total debt held by the public increased by $8.5 trillion and that increase of 30%. the interest payments reached a record never before seen, $1 trillion this past fiscal year. neil: i appreciate it. freedom capital market chief

global strategist, this has been an odd time in the markets whether we had bitcoin at one hundred thousand dollars a coin, the dow at 45,000, s&p 6,000. what's the deal? >> it is a ball market. and what sector is leaving? the seven stocks, to me -- lauren: 1 see them doing that? >> three stocks leading the way this time, technology communication, these were the leaders in 2020 for ray, we are coming back to it. it is starting to weaken a little bit. has me concerned but after this. the breadth we are seeing.

>> put it in perspective, what is not giving it back? the indices, to me, there's a little concern and before we came on. but the 500 will always be there. we continue to see earnings growth and i think this theme for next year talking about ask, how do they put that expenditure to use, salesforce gave us a peek, let's see what these other companies do wednesday deploy that ai, apple, they are slowly rolling out apple intelligence and that's the harbinger of things. neil: i'm old enough to

remember when the internet boom was starting, it lasted 5 or 6 years before the 2000 the hit. i am wondering how you frame what is going on in ai, high potential with people making a lot of serious money. how do you see it? >> that's a perfect example when you look back in time, the mid 90s we were coming out of a recession, the fed navigating a soft landing, the technology boom in ai, they had a tremendous run, the technology stocks leading now are not semiconductors. it is cybersecurity. they are just breaking out, it could be interesting. neil: when people look at the

market, 20% growth. you could repeat that to the same to agree. >> trajectory is higher. a new administration, they should do well. we should see a continuation of this bull run. neil: we will get some interns in the 3% range. what are we in for? >> of 15% return, it sounds unbelievable but two months ago when you hit 6000 that was a milestone.

neil: of the earnings are keeping up with the stock price. how do you see that? like people do with the magnificent 7, until you see the earnings in the case of nvidia and others more than brings the eye-popping multiple down. >> we haven't hit the bubble yet. we haven't seen euphoria, the election is getting a little bubbley and that has more room to run but as far as tech stocks go those earning multiples are historically okay, not far off lead to a point you are getting concerned. walmart up 80%. costco at 53%, those are historical years but the price to earnings ratio, panic mode,

if i was to rotate out of some winners, technology is where you want to be over the long-term. if we are in the middle of this, 1999 was a good year but to expect 25% gains on top of what we had is ridiculous but strange things have happened and this year's not in the top 10 going back to 1950, 31% to crack the top ten. neil: when people looked at this market and this strength, the excitement about ai, did we underestimate the strength of the consumer and that is proving a big lift for airline stocks and hospitality related stocks, that shows some driving power going forward.

>> we sat around, we never thought we would get out of our house, we saw the euphoria, 0. 4%, triple digit stock because we thought we would never get out of our house and close again, now we see normalization and the retail sector, the biggest basket of retail stocks, there are big misses. we've seen some stocks in the low end retail getting crushed but walmarts are doing well. the consumer is resilient. neil: always resilient to inflation. the fear is donald trump has a lot of great plans but it could pick up a little bit. is it a worry for you thought we could be facing fat, things pick up steam, higher prices go on.

>> of wage growth doesn't go with it there will be a problem. unemployment has remained stable. see what elon musk and the doge do, what that does to unemployment numbers. those are things you have to monitor closely but we are still poised for the next two 3x months to consider this bull run. they will cut rates. neil: i was surprised that was the consensus that they cut rates. >> it is something they' ve telegraphed, they won't go back on it. they want to get rates to a historically lower level. neil: it is in the right direction. i don't think they need to cut

but if the market responds with a little bit of a selloff you are not supposed to watch the market when making these decisions but they are focused on unemployment and they have got that settled. it would have been a different story but since it came in line. neil: are kind of okay. >> new administration kicks off we see where we go from there. neil: hard to believe it was a week ago today that brian thompson, united healthcare ceo was gunned down a couple blocks from here. a lot has changed including the guy who shot him, now growing indications he telegraphed what he was going to do some time ago, after this.

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lauren: 1 he was gunned down, brian thompson of united healthcare did not have any security with him, other top executives do including united health, that security was in that a week ago. a lot of questions raised about whether this might be a good idea in light of what happened to that ceo in the shooting and the are rest of our guy they are convinced did that shooting. brian, much is made back and forth about executives of any note, not having protection. you can stop with the cfo, ceo, it was clear this guy was a target and i am wondering if a

lot are changing their mind, what do you think? >> great to be with you. we live in dangerous times, the crime rate is off the charts and you know that's the result of major cities including new york city having more liberal leadership, that is changing out here but at the end of the day, this is a dangerous time especially for leadership in businesses that are controversial, the healthcare industry, this company, their average rate of denying claims was almost three times the normal rate of other insurance companies, they were investigated by the doj. thompson had to know he was possibly a target, surprising

he didn't have 24/7 security and this is probably a wake-up call for anybody in a position of leadership in a major company, politicians, athletes, actresses, to have 24/seven security. neil: the major tobacco companies, a lot of bankers in latin america in the 1980s, not to the degree they see here. and the alleged shooter, and what are they sorting out. >> he thought extradition. extradition will not be hard to get to new york city. he has got to be more focused

on what defense he will present and the only feasible defense in a case like this is diminished capacity. what it does, his lawyers might argue he was mentally impaired. he was depressed because of a back injury he had that would compromise his life, he headed out for the ceo, there's documentation of that, he went into a dark phase where his family couldn't find him, people were trying to track him down, they were worried about him. he was under e emotional distress. the only hope is to hire a foreign 6 psychologist and do an evaluation on him. what that does is it defeats the required intent to commit the crime. you go from a first-degree premeditated murder where he spends the rest of his life in jail down to second-degree or

manslaughter, the key evidence, shell casings, they need to put the ammunition in the gun he has shoot the gun, get the shell casings, match them to the sidewalk where thompson was murdered and at that point. neil: hope you have a very good christmas. the criminal defense attorney, back to business, grady trimble on albertson's stopping the merger agreement with kroger. the deal came fast. what happened? >> reporter: the singer pointing has begun and what is happening is albertson's is saying it is kroger's fault the biggest grocery store merger in history didn't go through. to back things up yesterday a district judge in oregon blocked the $25 billion deal, the judge sided with the ftc which raised concerns it would

hurt consumers. the ftc praised the decision calling it a victory for the american people. it argues if the merger had gone through it would be less competition and higher prices at the grocery store for you and me but critics disagree. >> i don't think albertson's and kroger would have been able to raise prices the way the ftc alleged. we are talking a hypercompetitive marketplace. part of the deal is devasting hundreds of stores in areas where there wasn't specific competition. >> reporter: albertson's is alleging kroger didn't enough to ensure federal regulators and the courts that there would be sufficient competition so that store is suing the company that one day ago was hoping to merge with, saying kroger willfully breached the merger agreement in several key ways including by repeatedly refusing to divest assets necessary for

antitrust approval, ignoring regulators feedback, rejecting stronger divestiture buyers and failing to cooperate with albertson's. kroger firing back calling those claims baseless and without merit. news of the merger falling apart broke named ferguson as his to replace lino con. ferguson is expected to take a heavy-handed approach mergers anguished acquisitions. neil: is a cleanup on aisle 3. j words, this administration has not been known as pro big mergers. and mergers couldn't happen under this administration's watch or the justice department's watch.

>> that was a deal both airlines needed. and there was a handbag deal, and it came out if you look at this deal. both of these stories, their mortgages aren't that great. when you have a walmart, and the lawsuit was more head scratching. >> republicans espousing these sort of combos. >> "varney and company" 0 dean was a supporter of misconduct ferguson who got the nomination was on the ftc and he has dissented on several of those

instances we talked about so i think he is one that will go pro business, this will fit the narrative of more and mandate. ftc that will now lean to look to approve some of these deals. neil: they have a love-hate relationship with technology. >> alphabet, the antitrust started in the first trump administration. it has been going on now and will probably come to a head in the next year or so, so we will see what the new ftc commissioner does with google. that is the one everyone is watching. neil: the ceos are rewarded if they suck up to donald trump. when you try to break bread with donald trump as jeff basis did, zuckerberg, facebook and meta it goes a long way. >> reporter: has the stock has almost doubled.

it is nice to be friendly with those in power regardless of party affiliation and we are seeing that. trump, a lot of business leaders joined the administration, this time it is very different, they are very pro-trump out of the gate, so he is picking people that will go along with what he likes. neil: how concerns get out of control. particularly for technology. >> a lot of what this is is donald trump's art over the deal where he is saying we are going to tariff you x amount, and hope to get a lot less but still better than where we are today. . 20 is that inflationary? >> it is and that's a concern. he walked of that back a little bit. slightly inflationary because it has to be. raising tariffs come back to you and me, the consumer. we saw this play out.

2017 straight line up, not one month down, no days of a 2% draw down, what derailed it, tariffs in the beginning of 2018, as someone who studies the market, people who are following day by day, don't know if he will get them approved out of the gate but it is something you have to be aware of. every ceo is going through worst-case scenarios getting ready for how this will impact them especially those that are multinational ceos. right now the market is not concerned. neil: great seeing you. so you and i can understand. let me know if you are a big fan of jim carrey? he is not retiring. this is an epidemic, a lot of

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especially those people in washington. listen to why he needs to go back to work. he said i bought too much stuff. even when you're making that kind of money, you can spend more than you make and if you do that for a long enough period, there's only one outcome. he is fortunate enough, 62, relatively young, he can go back to work and make money again. living within your means is extremely important. neil: a lot of people as they approach retirement look at how much money they saved, some invested well or have a chunk of it but never addressed the spending side of the equation. no matter what you have, you can lose it fast. >> yes, you can. the most important thing in being an accountant sounds

familiar, you've got to have a budget and you've got to be really careful about what is going out. here's the disturbing factors out there, 20% of the people in the united states that are 50 years old have absolutely no money set aside for retirement. 20% of the people who technically can't reach higher. they think they can retire and they end up retiring and you know what happens? they find out that social security is not enough, 6/10 retirees's only source of income is social security. if you fail to plan for this you will get exactly what you plan for. neil: for a lot of people approaching of the moment they want to take it easy, what is your advice for them?

a lot of people pre-retirement don't change markedly, have less expenses, but not markedly so. >> reporter: now may be a great time to downsize assuming you don't have a mortgage. you can sell at the top of law market, get something smaller, you are able to have less expenses but number 2, they create this nest egg and when you have a nest egg you got to guard it carefully. we always go back to the same thing, all about the spending but if you are close to retirement, before you pulled the trigger, you should do a little bit of a write up and see where you stand before you make the leap. neil: you know what is a waste of time? you don't need two lattes a day

or 2 go to starbucks. that's nickel and dimeing your way, give folks advice on that part of it. >> it comes down to you got to live within your means, credit card debt at record highs, don't do that. that's away to keep your self in the bumper, the other thing is there's a lot of professionals that can provide guidance. use them. the money you spend on a professional that gives you good advice will be money that you save in the long run. neil: my parents were popular in the depression. live on half of what you make. as long as i've been working i live on half that i can make.

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major general, author of hunting the caliphate, america's more on isis, i am thinking of the war on isis, to hear folks tell it now isis is being decimated as we speak but are we getting ahead of ourselves here? >> good afternoon. we are getting ahead of ourselves a little bit. we've got to see what actually happens but the overthrow of the bashar al-assad regime is good news. it's a brutal dictatorship, bashar al-assad and his father for over 50 years, that's a good thing but where there is instability and a failed state, can become a breeding ground for terrorism. the big losers in this are russia and iran. stability is going to be needed in their region and syria is

going to have to become stable at some point. neil: let's say you are in syria you are glad bashar al-assad's gone. there was relief in iran when the shah of iran was forced out of the country. he looked like a much better alternative. we learned in retrospect a lot of iranian's did at the time, not necessarily. what do you think? >> i think it depends.what is than iran, iran was ale basically, a majority of the population of she muslims, syria was ruled by a regime connected to she, that branch of islam. the majority of the people are syria and islam. there's a difference. the majority of the people are

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it is increasingly important, would extend the war there in a weird way. what do you think? >> the two sides, ukraine and russia will sit down at the negotiating table. there is no way russia will give up the crimea peninsula. ukraine may end up giving up some of its territory. ukraine might also be allowed to be in nato, neither one will get what they want at the negotiating table but maybe that is what it will take to be an agreement and eventually peace. neil: 5 could switch gears to hamas and hostages held by hamas, donald trump made clear if they were not released before his inauguration there will be hell to pay. what do you think of the

likelihood that they respond to that? >>, should pay attention to what donald trump said. this is a chance that hamas has, it has been decimated, hamas has lost. keeping the hostages doesn't get them much at this point. julie: we will watch what happens. >> you too. neil: mike rounds, key member of the senate intel committee, he's knee-deep in it. good to see you. you met with several. any difficulty for hegseth? how do you see that going? >> i see his path very good

right now. he has to go in front of the committee and if anyone will step forward and make an accusation, his focus on what he wants to do is the right one in step with what donald trump wants to do, bringing back the lethal approach, getting rid of dei crap is the focus that will be well supported by congress in that regard but i really appreciated and liked the approach that he was taking and the other thing people have heard about is this anonymous accusations coming against him. he hasn't had the opportunity to respond to those accusations. my message was get in, put your

message to gather. our democrat colleagues will ask a lot of questions. he has the right idea with regard to the department of defense, he had a good message. neil: your name came up and up report that maga is putting a lot of pressure on some republican senators including those of an independent mind like your self, they talk about how they worked on joni ernst who looks to be leading to supporting pete hegseth but you are going to get the same treatment bill cassidy could get the same treatment if it looks like you might not vote, doesn't have to be hegseth or any of these candidates, do you feel that kind of pressure? >> we don't at this stage of the game. we are doing what we are supposed to do, as part of this team, to prepare these folks for questions they get in the public's view and we want to be

sure they are ready for it. we ask a lot of questions and provide some advice. that's what the senate is supposed to do, they talk about giving it to the president, they say advice and consent. it is advice we give to nominees about things we think they need to improve upon, recommendations about how to answer questions that might be t in front of the public's view as they have adversarial members ask tough questions. part of that means sitting down with them, being honest with them, talking about the issues in front of them and helping them to work their way through the process, the last thing you want is a nominee to embarrass the president of the united states. we also tell them we are on the same team and want the president's nominees to get across the finish line. if folks don't read the whole story they might think we are being adversarial, we are trying to do our job to provide

advice but we are looking forward to providing consent. the vast majority of them haven't had a chance to send their nominations through so there's a long way to go. we want them to be successful. neil: you don't feel pressure, they talk about primarying senators who don't vote for apex, do you feel that? >> that's always part of it. we always have primaries, we are use to it, we've done it before but our message is put the whole picture on this thing whether or not as ronald reagan used to say if somebody agrees with you, not sure. neil: i want to talk about something john cornyn said, it's going to be a very unpleasant process. what do you think of that?

>> there have been accusations made. democrat colleagues will try to play up on that and we want to make sure these nominees are prepared and i talked to pete and his wife and said we are trying to get five minute intervals were democrat colleagues will ask hard questions based on allegations that have been made. we want you to be prepared to answer those. every five minutes are republican will provide you an opportunity to answer any part of a question the democrat might not have allowed you to answer but then you will go back in and have a back-and-forth between republicans and democrats were period of about two hours, you will have 12 times in which the democrat part of a caucus ask hard questions. be prepared. it is what everybody goes through but if you are prepared and consistent you will come out just fine. neil: and so it should be. good seeing you.

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