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so president trump maps out his american zeitgeist this morning in a wideranging 17 minute pressure at mar-a-lago we'll talk with art laffer, and steve moore and grover norquist about taxes and tax delays, we have congressman jim jordan waiting in the wings with latest on the thrown story. we -- drone story we may have a plausible response. but first fox news griff jenkins is live in west palm beach, florida very busy there. reporter: b dizzy indeed, what a contrast to biden years, first trump administration with press engagement post p. he talked about everything from the drones to hostages

in gaza and tiktok, he started his remarks standing next to japan's softbank ceo announcing $100 million investment that promises 1 u.n. thousand jobs on a.i. and the like, trump noted number of billion airs and businessmen comes to mar-a-lago to meet him there people want to get along with me this time, we have a lot of great executives coming in. . reporter: also at this press conference was trump's incoming commerce secretary howard lutnick, he was offered up for questions, i asked a question, when the answer caused the dow to take a hit for a brief time, it has recovered. i said is there another china trade deal on the

offing they said, p -- reciprocity will be key, meaning how they treat us is how we treat them, trump weighed in saying, he will make great deals to make america rich again, larry. larry: you know that is a freight answer, the reciprocity, whatever the market di think that answer is the best possible answer. they will cut their tariffs and we'll cut ours, if they don't, we won't, that is the basis of mr. trump's trade policy, gr grifer griff jenkins thank you for that update. that is the subject of the riff. >> is it nice to have a president who can effortlessly stand up at a press conference, and make statements and take questions for 70 minutes,

sans teleprompter, french for without a teleprompter. unafraid, confident, holding to his principleses that is what president trump did this morning in mar-a-lago as griff described it is a wonderful thing to see and let his japanese investment pal, from softbank investment, fund, pledge $100 billion. to go invest in america first technology. shows people are listening to mr. trump's pitch to bring new industry to america and presumably awarded with rock bottom 15% corporate tax rate, we know that mr. trump is talking to world leaders in the globe moving toward his priorities end to the russia-ukraine war or hell to pay if he does not get a hamas hostage

deal or closing northern and southern borders to illegal ill grands, canadian prime minister flew down to mar-a-lago just a few weeks ago. let's see how that plays out. anyway today's pressure, president trump repeated his tariff warning to mexico and canada, and his trade bulldog howard lutnick was there, just in case anyone doubted mr. trump's commitment. trump blasts the biden administration for not telling the truth about the drones crazy sweeping the u.s. he did tell us that administration knows where they came from and suggested it was not a hostile adversary. ben domenech believes that the drones are following faa rig layings in a planned --

regulations in a planned exercise by the pentagon to test out new drone systems, ben points out, that no one has seem to have paid attention to it it sip resting. there is no reason why the bidens are hiding information about the drone story. no reason. mr. trump will be defending robert f kennedy jr. for h hs secretary, and considering a pardon for new york city mayor eric adams who has been treat unfairly by biden justice department, because new york mayor says he will cooperate with trump policies to deport criminals. he was look at the facts. he was mellow, suggesting that people will get along with him in this second term better than the first, they respect his electoral mandate for change, however,

he suggested he may bring a lawsuit against des moines register, shows harris plus 3 in iowa and president trump wound up winning iowa by 14. he called that election fraud, interference, i think he is dead right, he criticizes bidens for selling border wall parts for 5 cents on the dollar, knowing high will need money and equipment to rebuild the wall, perhaps only thing missing was final decision to whether to delay trump tax cuts 2.0, that will get resolved soon enough, we'll talk about that in the next segment. he is not afraid to make decisions, he is not afraid to defend those stigs and -- decisions and not afraid to speak plainly and truthfully to american public that is

why his transition is popular, his approval rating is record highs, he continues to control what i call the new american zeitgeist. which means spirit and energy. and that is tonight's riff. all right. let's talk about all of this, joining us now grover norquist, founder of americans for tax reform, i believe is in in and steve moore is here, and art laffer is here. welcome to you. grover, 20 seconds how is mr. malay doing i met him at mar-a-lago gal a month ago. just how is he doe doing. >> great, he is excited about drop in inflation

while they have growth. >> you going to link peso to the dollar? >> i think they that is coming we'll see. larry: okay. that is good. grover, we wanted you to come on because of your strong article suggesting that republicans could lose control of congress last year, said that republicans could kiss their house majority fee good-bye if they delay the trump tax cuts, as you may know i am inclined to agree with you on that point, we didn't hear from mr. trump on that today, what is your take. >> very dangerous. we delayed the 2017 tax cut that president wanted, from early in 20 17 to december 22, we have growth in 2019, a year after we lost 40 seats and house of

representatives, had we moved sooner on tax cut the year of growth would have been the year of the election. when reagan was running for office, and he won in '80 and '81 a tax cut did not take affect fully 2 until january of '83, when we get growth all of '83, a year after we lost about 25 house seats, pass the tax cut now, all businesses need to know what isi expenceing going to look like, what is the income tax rate going to be it has to happen now, not a year from now. larry: art laffer, you taught us, to never delay tax cuts, in this case, with trump 2.0 it would be tax cuts and it would biic --ic tends old tax cuts but there

will be new, why should we delay now. >> you shouldn't delay, grover is right. if you know tax rates will be lower next year than this year, what you will do is defer all income you can out of this year into next year, and accel rate -- accelerate expenses that happened to reagan in 'q '81 tax bill and to jax kennedy, did happened to coolidge, i think that trump is clear -- this message, did not delay the tax cuts there will be an automatic delay because you can't pass the bill prior to january 21, you couldn't. it will be a delay. but minimize it, make it least possible delay to get most possible benefit and then what he is towing with tariffs is -- doing with tariffs is wonderful, negotiations tariff rate

reductions by threatening these people will not have access to u.s. markets unless they use reciprocity and lower tariffs, and lower restricts on trade it will have free trade in this worm. world. >> it is interesting that howard lutnick answered that question at the pressure. with -- presser, talking about reciprocity this is bullish, i don't know if stocks went down because of that or not. i think that is a bullish answer. steve moore, coming back to other matter, there is still a lot of rangelling -- wrangling going to president not made up his mind, looks like republican senate wants to delay tax cuts to second reconciliation bill. looks like the house not so much. there ison is only 2 vote, i don't know how many

bites out of apple you get, plbless you for sneezing, they should make up their mind that point one, and point two, i don't know why they can't do one huge reconciliation bill a tax cuts, border, you know, you name it. defense that will go in there. permitting for liquid gold, i do don't f understand why they can't do it at once. >> donald trump is so popular. he has a political capital, that i have not seen since ronaldrat reagan came in, do you not want a delay, you want to side the moment, i think -- you want to seize the moment, i think they should do everything, the oil policy, and deregulation. the border wall and do the tax cut at once this guy. i defy the democrats to try to stop him.

i think more you delay it, the more you put this tax cut in jeopardy. larry: i think that is right. i t. i -- you know grover to your piece there will be add-ons that are purpose. most of the bill is an extension of tax cuts 1.0 but you have tax-free cash tips and tax-free over time, maybe down can the line a break on social media -- social security seniors in there double tack, steve forbes suggesting a capital gains tack or indexing and the other thing, steve forbessing issing ised suggested to me, widening brackets for individuals. and small businesses who pay the individual income tax. >> all of those are even -- easy to score, much of what

we're taking out it been scored, we have passed it before. the country saw it and they like it this is not like back in 2017, where we were arguing about all sorts of stuff we made certain decisions i think 15% the president was right, corporate rate to be 15%. on the way toward zero. but 15 not 21. that -- you want we have a 4 plus% corporate income tack average at state level, that is really 25 where communist china s we should be less taxed than communist china is my theory. larry: and that is a good theory. >> thank you. larry: art, the other side is laffer curb, it has worked. -- laffer curve, it has worked, the cbo estimates from 2016 before the first trump tax cuts, then 2018

afterwards. point is, revenues have almost doubled from what the cbo suggests, there was no loss of revenues all bs, and steph moore and i have been talking about current services baseline to be current policy baseline, you don't score spending as no deficit impact but tax cuts having a deficit impact that is malarkey, that is absolute malarkey and the cedthe idaho senator crapo is right. >> you know, larry, you are right, i just love being on with you and grover and steve, and i wish that steve forbes were here too we would have the whole gaining together. you are right a tax cuts and jobs act pay for itself in first two years and increase in total federal revenues from prior two year was higher than prior two years to the two years prior to that. now we get the corporate tax revenues are up, this is is

amazing they really work, people don't waste their time on high taxes, they just wait, when the break comes they take off. and also the poverty levels were lower, and economy did well, it was a win-win-win across the board, bringing it down to 15% and doing what steve and grover suggested is great. larry: the thing i like most about this segment, that grover norquist is c coming to us in argentina. >> i was there two weeks ago. with malay two weeks ago, 2 hours with him. larry: but you wouldn't come on the show, you were down there and you wouldn't come on. grover, he is down there. >> i'm o old larry. larry: gri grover came in -- the malay revolution is working pause they have electricity.

>> steve moore. >> quick. two most popular politicians in world today are ronaldration railing and javier milei. it is amazing. >> and donald trump, and javier milei. >> right. >> i mean, donald trump it is amazing. and it is a great thing to see the revolution spreading through on the the world, we should stop use static revenue and use dynamic revenue to take count of laffer curve affect. larry: steve moore, why should we the u.s. congress give state and local government employees a 200 billion dollar social security bonus? what is that about? >> >> it is about 200 billion, a phone i thing, a hand out from public employee unions, no way that say terrible way to start a new dang. administra. larry: they already make

more money than private sector workers. >> right. larry: this is a great -- art laffer thank you, steve moore and grover norquist and argentina, i love that you are a real mensch. art would not do it. and way, coming up, on kudlow, president trump this morning said almost criminal that the bidens are sabotaging or border wall by selling off parts for 5 cents on the d dollar we'll talk about that with our friend house judiciary chair. the great jim jordan. and whether you are in argentina or new york or florida or anywheres, you can catch kudlow monday through friday, 4 p.m. right here on fabulous fox business. and for some reason you can't get us at 4, text your favorite 90-year-old, and -- 9-year-old and she will show you how to dvr the show and you will never miss a segment from a argentina,

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and the administration is trying to sill it for 5 cents on the dollar knowing we're getting ready to put it up, it almost a criminal act, i'm asking today, joe biden to please stop selling the wall. larry: please stop selling the wall, that is pettiest low down thing, joining us to talk about that and other things, ohio congressman jim jordan, chair of house judiciary committee, welcome back, sir. don't you think it is petty, and low down and cheap and dumb, they know what the priorities are, selling that for 5 cents on dollar that stuff is -- that equipment is not cheap. >> one more dumb thing, one more dumb thing that administration has done. remember, this is all intentional, in particular with border. they decided on day one,

they were no longer building a wall or have a remain in mexico, and when you got do border you were released, they want an open border policy, this is almost adding insult to engineer, wore sell -- to injury, we're selling parts of wall for next to nothing. one more e example how bad this administration -- someone asked a few months back, asked congressman is there anything good you could say about biden administration, i stop and thought about it, i said now, i can't think of anything. record inflation and wide open border and debacle that was afghanistan. this is one more example of you on bad it is, in 30 something days president trump will take the oath of office and become the president of united states. larry: i am sure you are in touch with do don't

brothers -- with the doge brothers, don't you think that government bureaucrats should show up for work, you can't work from home, in the tub or at the gym, you should come to work, if you don't want to come to work, maybe you should lose your job. >> of course, start you know cutting as much as you can, looking to reduce regulations, challenge help the economy take identify with the tax cuts -- take identify woff, with tax cuts, and show up to work, you are more productive what you show up for work, less than half of people who work in federal bureaucracy come to work in dc, they work remote from maryland or virginia. you have to show up to work. everyone knows you are better when you do that, but we don't have people in our government doing so. larry: something about a 5 year waive i waiver that is crazy, one of many things that elon musk and vivek ramaswamy have to

stop. i know you would rather talk about the economy and supply side economics and almost anything else on your legislative agenda. wouldn't -- doesn't it make sense, you heard the opening segment with laffer and moore and grover norquist, would it make sent to put it in one reconciliation package. >> i knew you were going to ask. larry: do liquid gold and border, don't delay the tax cuts. >> i'm for getting it all done, i don't care if it one or two, i want to do what american people elected us to do. whether this is two part strategy or one part, i think horse has left the barn, i think it will be two parts, that dud not mean you have to delay the second, you get after the second right away, pass first give president trump resources he need to secure border, then,

get on with tax cuts get them done quickly, that is where we're headed. let's make sure we get it done. to get our economy moving like we know it was when you were working in white house, did can the great supply side tax cuts, let's get to that. larry: can you actually think about -- this is a legitimate question, some people say, mr. thune has agreed to come on the show we'll talk about it he is a good guy, none of this is personal. he is a question of legislative strategy. if you could get the first reconciliation bill done, i don't know in 30 days, or 60. i'm not sure you can. but suppose you can, you can get a tax bill out by july 4, by independents day holiday could you put a tax bill in front of mr. trump to sign. >> i hope so that would be objective and goal. you know how congress gets, you get in these skirmishes, i understand i have been here for a while, you have

this momentum in light of what people said on november 5, you have president trump who everyone knows is coming in to fix things and put back common sense policies, i think we can get it done that quick that is our objective. larry: down mean to abs obsess about it but i'm, jason smith a smart guy aways and means chair, he is worried about how many bites of the apple you get, we never had two success ol recap silling a -- successful re reconciliation bills in history, you are right the dye may be cast but i -- jim jo jim. >> i hope we do 3, we have each fiscal years, we're kicking one to next, 25, 26 and 27 fiscal fear, we have chainchang for 3 --

chance for 3. larry: all three. don't you think it is terribly important that kash patel be the new fbi director av all that stuff that has come out about wray and -- >> isusure -- i sure do. larry: it has been left wing corruption at headquarters for too many years. >> i hope he makes it, here is the big irony last week intellectual property had two reports one is how chris wray took over at fbi there were spying on members capitol hill staffers and one of those staffers who had his metadata taken by fbi and examining was kash patel, it is critical. without kash patel we don't learn about what fbi did when they spied on president

trump's campaign, i hope he is our next fbi director, i know he can fix that operation. larry: yes, sir. thank you so much judiciary carry jim jordan, if i don't see you have a happy christmas, happy new year there thank you. larry: on kudlow, what is fueling trump zeitgeist? you know or maybe we'll see a trump pardon for mayor adams i don't know, we have rich lowry and tammy bruce and liz peek. we'll talk politics that's all it is politics on kudlow, be right back. n't the way home. that's right james, it isn't. car, where are we going? we're here. (♪) surprise!!! the future isn't scary. not investing in it is.

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even justin trudeau came down to have supper it may be his last supper his deputy just resigned. but the point is, trump is just orchestrating this remarkable transition. >> yes, i was not surprised by election result this is shocking to me, i thought it would be unrest in streets. if -- this a ho honeymoon for donald trump. in 2017 half of country wanted to take divorce proceedings, there is no effort to get faith less electors to not vote for trump. the kings of finance in corporate america have been playing ball, players have been playing ball and media, not great, but better than last time. >> honeymoon. key word, i should have put that in my receive, he is getting a honeymoon. >> he is getting a

honeymoon, he won the popular vote that is a big difference. he also beat kamala harris. the number of people actually excited about kamala harris becoming president, you could fit in this room. in 2016 it was a different situation. there was such a enormous hillary contingents, they were angry in part everyone assumed he would win until the absolute last hour they were telling american people that hillary clinton would be next president, there was shock, and dismay and then quickly anger. larry: tammy, i don't want to lose this honeymoon period, on set, one thing that does bother me, that is des moines reg strer. register. they get what they deserve.

but the des moines register. the pollster every front page gold standard of polls gives it to harris plus 3 and trump wins by plus 14, i understand you can miss the forecast by a wee bit but 17 points, the sunday before the tuesday. >> i would argue this is part of why there is a honeymoon, so many absurd things happened. that reminded us of the fraud of the first time. you remember polls were tied. that is other thing they tried to not be obvious. but it was things like that, that were em embarrassing, kamala harris of the embarrassing, lies they were telling donors they would be fine, was embarrassing. fiddling away in a few months a billion dollars, now in debt that is o embarrassing it was a joke they turned into a joke.

so there was -- now you can't say it about hillary clinton shy cared about the issues, she was strong on them, he she cared and she tried. it was beginning of collapse of democratic party, it was a different woman with a history of delivering. but this became a charade, and this is why i think that this honeymoon could last if it is handled properly by the republicans we know that trump is being himself there and i believe divine intervention in this i rarely say that, but we're in this -- it is not a moment but a movement that should continue because of the shock of the fraughted fraud of what everyone now recognizes. larry: how long will it last? >> the economy has a big element. to big hand to play. he does seem focused on that but we've -- never seen

disparity an an incompany bapt -- incumbent of president of usa like christmas past, he is fading away. larry: and liz, didn't work out that well for trudeau. i don't want to focus on that but his deputy , he was there two weeks nothing mar-a-lago, we have not heard the final issue, i'm not worried about canada i am worried about mexico helping us with border, sheinbaum, she is a leftwinger, to the left of the socialists who proceeded her. point number two, howard lutnick said, he was asked today he will betrayed czar at commerce department or more or less, they asked him 'trade policy, he said reciprocity, i will say that is the best right answer he could give.

reciprocity, something that americans understand, and support. i really like that. it was a restrained answer. not a crazed answer. >> that is what happened in first term. it was the reciprocity. at the time commerce secretary wilbur ross went through various tariffs that other countries had on american goods and americans were educated are -- for fifirst time how lopsided it was, biggest one is european car charges. that magnified by a gazillion product over country in particular china, i think that people got onboard with the idea that as donald trump said, quite often, united states was not being treated fairly and americans have a great sense of fairness it not like it. larry: we don't' what the

trade strategy will be. we know that mr. trump will adeptly use tariffs for trade, and nontrade purposes, but reciprocity is something everyone that understands, the world's trading system is broken down. we don't want to talk about it forever. honeymoon with bankers and executives rich lowry, they are flocking, some of them, i might add tim cook from apple was a decent friend of trump's in first term, a lot of others zuck a buck in first term of the not, he is coming around, i also think that it happens trump's hoo honeymoon. larry: most visionary entrepreneur on planet is on his side, that say huge credibility. >> that being -- >> elon musk. larry: yes. one half of the doge brothers. >> he was -- before the

election. that is key. a lot are coming on after. end of the day better onboard than not. larry: to rich a points, how big a boost does elon musk. this is a technological government efficiency but it is become a plate issue, plus less became a he may be richest guy in the world that is important, play in free market capitalism here, is a big political player. >> you know, this is a man that i think most people can relate to, because of how he started. he is not -- didn't start with a trump you know, inheritance to some degree or back ground that helped facilitate him, he grew up in a horrible situation, domestic violent, escaping with his mother and siblings to another country, the family has flourished, americans can relate to in a way to a rags to riches story.

but the musk, dynamic reflects what happened in america in a subtle way, the assassination attempt it was a t transformational vision of who trump was, but you can't know until someone like that existentialy happens, that is what changed musk's opinion, he vocalized that, he is in a sense of a different generation and point of view, americans may not recognize it yet, but that is what is happened. larry: he was against trump 6 months ago. >> trump's reaction is after the fight, fight, fight, was that office transformational it changed the country, and the voters. >> democrats and biden administration went after elon musk, he is being sued by 23 different agency, because he bought twitter and allowed republicans and conservatives back on. >> like joe rogan, they need there own. >> they don't have one.

>> they push them away. >> all three of those men were democrats is john fetterman new joe manchin moderate. >> in terms of what he says. >> he registered on twitter x . >> that peter will be so -- that party would be so much better you've. larry: who would have thunk. >> rich lowry is a honeymoon fantastic, and liz peek and tammy bruce, stu. thank you,. >> category up ul mystery drones maybe they are just military contractors, doing publicly scheduled tests that are legal. and no hostile countries that is what our friend ben domenech said, and nate foy, it is domenech, our reporter nate foy will give us a update from elizabeth, new jersey, i'm glad it is warmer out for nate. wondering "what should we do with it?"

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states, but president-elect trump applied moree pressure on biden administration, saying he believes they know what is going -- >> have you received an intelligence briefing on the drones. i don't want to comment on that, they don't want to tell the people, the people -- really they are over bedminster, they are very close to bedminster. reporter: this is impacting several states, from coast-to-coast, video from new jersey, pennsylvania, california, maryland. the investigation remains centered in new jersey. governor f murphy receiving briefing on. some think that with the reinforcements we may be left in the dark still. >> i'm tell youing a secret

we'll never know what happened, u.s. government has no clue how to handle drone threats we're no longer in control of our own a airspace. reporter: federal officials acknowledge that several of the cit sightings are drone, many are planes, we did see example of that from fox news flight team in far hills, new jersey, it looks like a drone but with thermal imaging you can see it a plane. u.s. counter drone capability remains a concern. at home and abroad with a spokesperson for u.s. air force's of europe confirms that there was a drone incursion over ramstein air force base in germany, but there was no negative consequences as a result. larry: all right, thank you very much nate foy, we appreciate the update, still working on it i'll be right

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