of the male loneliness crisis and part of the male, you know, thriving crisis, because we have opioids killing men, traffic killing men, and so it's why it's overblown the idea the american healthcare system which is not perfect but it's not like if you get cancer at age 65 you have a worse prognosis in america. there's nowhere else i'd rather be. >> you know what i'll say? if you are a male and you decide to -- charles: do something stupid. >> it's not going to change your availability of extra life. in other words, on the actuary table, go to your insurance company and say but i present as a woman. i should live longer. charles: 65 is the cutoff because i'm still doing real dumb things. ladies thank you both very very much. >> merry christmas. charles: liz claman over to you. liz: charles payne i will grab it, thank you so much. folks, if you can't sell yesterday because you thought oh, the final hour of trade on this friday before christmas week be a quiet one? you're a jingle fool.

no rudolph red nose here we are looking at a rip roaring rally right now. every major index is up more than 1%. i mean look at the intraday of the dow it has seen a modest upside move earlier this morning after the final inflation read of the year, november pce rose at the slowest pace in six months, which is good. that's what people wanted to see and what the fed wanted to see but only to about 42, 400 level. now look at the move around 10:12 a.m. eastern so a bit further to the right. that's when hope began spreading through the capitol building that house speaker mike johnson was cobbling together a plan c, to avert a government shutdown before funding runs out at midnight. the speaker said in the last hour, there will not be a government shutdown and a vote will be held today. well what happened to plan a & b? a is the original bill agreed by both republicans and democrats and after wednesday afternoon tesla ceo elon musk

tweeted any lawmaker who voted for it should be primaried. a skinnier version of the 1,500-page original bill went to vote but that was torpedoed by 38 republicans who joined democrats in voting no. with the situation fluid let's take it live to capitol hill where grady trimble is watching the sausage get made in realtime. grady, there are less than nine hours before the government shutdown. what does plan c look like and where do we stand on a vote? what time? reporter: we don't know a time on the vote yet, liz, but what we think is going to go to the house floor is essentially the big from yesterday that got voted down but without the provision to raise the debt sealing. remember that's the part of the bill that a lot of house republicans had problems with, so what they've done is they removed it so it's going to be one bill, one vote, on the continuing resolution which keeps the government open, disaster relief for hurricane victims, and aid for farmers. this will need a two-thirds

majority to pass so importantly, it's going to require some democrats to get on board with this plan as well. going back a couple of days, or maybe just yesterday, it's all a blur at this point, when president-elect trump got involved, he urged republicans to raise the debt sealing as part of this continuing resolution bill, but now, that is not part of the proposal. still, house speaker mike johnson says he's optimistic. >> we will not have a government shutdown and we will meet our obligations for our farmers who need aid, for the disaster victims all over the country and for making sure that military and essential services and everyone who relies upon the federal government for a paycheck is paid over the holidays. reporter: president-elect trump has made it pretty clear where he stands on this particular issue but you might be wondering where the current president is in all of this. the white house had a press briefing this afternoon that says he's in touch with leaders schumer and jefferies who by the way have yet to weigh in on this latest proposal from

republican leadership. the white house says it is speaker johnson's fault that this has all come down to the wire. >> congress needs to deal with this. this is their number one job is to keep the government open and there was an agreement on the table. not just an agreement, a bipartisan agreement. speaker johnson created this mess. he needs to fix it, period. reporter: so, to recap, it sounds like republicans have the framework for a potential bill to bring to the house floor but again, liz, it is unclear when that votes going to happen and it's also unclear whether democrats are going to get on board and whether the entire republican conference on the house side is united around this plan, we will see with eight hours until the deadline. liz: well grady, plan b, which actually did go to a vote only two democrats voted for it. one did the i'm present. what makes them think that democrats are going to like this new option, considering it wasn't really negotiated

bipartisanly like plan a? reporter: well we do know, you're right, liz, this was not negotiated in a bipartisan fashion, but we do know that the lines of communication between house speaker mike johnson's office and house minority leader hakeem jefferies, they were open this morning. they were talking once again, and so it sounds like he may have gotten, he being speaker johnson, may have gotten input from house democrats before bringing this to the republican conference, but you're right. this doesn't change much from yesterday. all it does is remove that provision related to the debt sealing, and maybe that's enough to get some democrats on board, especially time is of the essence here so time certainly gets more people on board as well. liz: the one thing i'm sure democrats don't want is to own a shutdown going right into christmas week, and we'll be watching it. literally second-by-second so grady come back to the camera, interrupt us if you get any more information on the actual timing here. reporter: you bet. liz: thank you very much.

okay, so folks, this green you see on the screen was all red late last night. futures cratered after the plan b vote went down in flames, but with 55 minutes left to trade before the close on this friday let's see if the move can drag the markets out of the crimson tide for the week. even though the dow is up 644 points and the s&p is seeing a gain of about 86, nice move there, it's a no. buyers today have not erased wednesday's losses, triggered by both the chaos at the capitol and the federal reserve which forecast fewer than expected rate cuts in 2025. so, for the week, the dow looks to close down nearly 2%. you saw the red, everyone down more than 1%. the fed forecast sent treasury yields speaking wednesday, and wednesday the 10-year blasted above 4.49% the highest in six months, and you can see it just continued higher until today it's at 4.527%, pairing back from its, i guess, highs in past 24 hours, but still, we're above

4.5%. flip it over to the two year and we can see that the two-year yield is off its wednesday's high of 4.35% and it now stands at 4.32%. all the drama reflected in the week-to-date vix, the fear index, on pace for about let's call it a 33% gain at the moment for investors. should they steal themselves for d.c.-driven volatility and the next year and maybe beyond? let's get to the floor show joining me now, cross mark global investment ceo bob doll. well, bob, as a guy whose invested through many a government shutdown and a bunch of near misses, what are you inferring from the last three days about whether investors are really ready for 2025? >> investors not ready, because the policymakers are not ready either. both monetary and fiscal. its been a very confusing week. that's why volatility has gone up and as you hinted in your introductory comments, probably

volatility will be a little higher next year than it was in 2024. liz: okay, but what are you thinking? the market has seen the trump trader higher for the dow, nasdaq, s&p even the russel, especially right after the election, but do investors understand that even though they have very market-friendly plans, that this kind of stuff that we just saw in capitol hill and quite frankly still playing out, might mean something different. >> i agree with your supposition. that is to say, the euphoria around the feds going to cut rates and inflation is going to 2%, and the new president is going to get all good things done, like in the first two days, that had kind of crept into the market, liz, and now when we're finding out that the fed agrees with some of us who have said all along inflation is not going to 2% absent a recession, it's going to be sticky, and while trump administration will do good things, it's not going to happen overnight. it's not going to happen without

bumps, and it's not all going to get done. so reality is i think crept into the markets. doesn't mean bad. it just means not perfect. liz: okay, and we also don't want to get into that typical business news trap because we know we all covered each moments tick-by-tick and for the moment things look pretty darn good. i'm looking at the leaders on the dow even nvidia, goldman sachs, american express, we've got salesforce moving higher, jpmorgan, united health is even in the green after a very rough couple of weeks but give me a sense of how you parse all of the names that have maybe sold off a bit. i mean, still for the week nvidia is lower. do you get the sense there's some really spicy bits of the market that haven't been picked over at the moment? >> you know, i think there's probably some truth to that. look there's stuff that's been up a lot and its gotten wacked pretty hard in particular the middle of the week as you pointed out a minute ago. i'm not convinced that that

sell-off is necessarily over. i think it's not that we're going to go up or down. it's how volatile we the side-wise be, liz. liz: i get it so give us your names. we need a couple of stock names for the stockings that are hanging from everybody's mantels. >> [laughter] well, one i put on the list as you know is low. second-largest do-it-yourselfer. they are having margin improvement. they are continuing with same-store sales, despite the difficult environment. you can buy that stock for less than a market multiple which i would argue much stronger fundamentals than the market as a whole. among my favorites i suspect i've brought it to your attention on this show before, mastercard, we think the payment space is an interesting place to be, continued to improve margins, penetration even here

in the u.s. and of course geographic expansion, more and more technology ways to improve their business and their margins so there's good names. a controversial name, mckesson mck, is a couldn't controversialspace, the healthct on dips we want to add to this leaving we've got the good fundamentals and the company, the world i should say the u.s. needs these businesses. they might get transformed and reformed a bit, but still good business. liz: bob, i know a lot of people are bringing out the plastic but i would just like to mention to our viewers that bob has suggested and recommended mastercard this year, and it's seeing a 24-25% gain year-to-date. so that's a nice holiday gift, bob. thank you so much and have a great christmas. >> you the same. merry christmas. liz: bob doll. all right we are just five days away from christmas and hanukkah which in a weird calendar moment happen on the same day, so for you last minute shoppers, if

you can't get your hands-on the toys on your kid's list that might be thanks to the country's most well-known eight-year-old. this jersey middle schooler's rap video naming specific toys he wants has gone viral, and is driving a run on some of the hottest toys of the season. listen. ♪ i don't want a gift card, no, no way, i just want real toys okay liz: tiktok star, the rizzler joins us in a fox business exclusive to talk about his unique collaboration with the world's largest privately held toy company mga entertainment. that and more straight o head on the "clayman countdown."

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liz: fox business alert. kind of tough timing here with five days before christmas, 10,000 amazon drivers have gone on strike at 10 warehouses across california, georgia, illinois, and new york. so, you can see the stock is up about three-quarters of a percent. it pumped into positive territory after being down this morning. amazon workers affiliated with the teamsters union began striking yesterday. their demands? higher wages and improved safety conditions. the teamsters said amazon drivers should receive equal pay with ups and united postal service workers. the e-commerce giant said it does not expect the strike to delay or disrupt holiday shipments as the workers are just a small fraction of its

1.5 million employees. shares of amazon right now up about as i said three-quarters of a percent to $224. over the past two days, the stock looks to be up about 2%, but over the past three days, it is down 2%. let's look at novo nordisk that stock is plunging right now 16, let's call it 17% right now, on track to close at its lowest point in more than a year. shares of the ozempic and wegovy maker are selling off revealing the results of a new injectable weight loss drug treatment trial that failed to meet its goal. the danish drugmaker revealed the study of 3,400 patients taking kagresema just missed the company's reported goal of losing 25% of their body weight. they came in at something like 23%, but they wanted 25%. the new drug is a compound semiglutide, the active ingredient in ozempic.

eli lilly rising on novo's trial results by about 2.6%. let's take a look at avocado seller mission. it's speaking 19% after its fourth quarter results beat on the top and bottom line thanks to higher avocado prices. the key ingredient to guacamole saw prices spike 36% year-over-year due to weather disruptions in peru. mission produce reaping the benefits as adjusted profits rose 160% year-over-year. and this has been a story we've been following particularly over the past several months. united states steel shares, u.s. steel, melting down about 5% after the flat-rolled steel producer forecast it's going to report a surprise fourth quarter loss due to lower prices and volumes. the company also reduced its outlook saying "steel prices remain depressed." russia using all of the weapons

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liz: fox business alert. russia's bloody offensive on ukraine continues overnight russia bombarded ukraine's capitol city of kyiv with a brutal ballistic missile attack that killed one person. simultaneously, russia unleashed a different but insidious and massively damaging weapon in its war on ukraine. a cyberattack. according to ukrainian officials russia hit ukraine state registries with mass attacks through the digital pipes late last night. the registries containing vital information about ukrainian citizens such as birth, deaths,

marriages and property ownership, were compromised. while the ukrainian government said no data appeared to be leaked or stolen it sends a clear message that u.s. adversaries like russia are ramping up cyber warfare. let's bring in the man helping to shield the u.s. government from these seriously damaging digital incursions. he's todd mckennon, ceo of okta, here in a fox business exclusive. todd what does russia's cyberattack last night indicate to you about vladimir putin's digital weaponry? >> well, it's really similar to what we're seeing around the world with governments & companies alike. the stakes are very high in cyber, and any kind of advantage that can be gained from a cyberattack whether it's trying to steal money, whether it's using information or influence, the cyber criminals and governments are going to take advantage of that so it's really up to the industry to work together to defend against these attacks, because the stakes are so high. liz: you and okta landed

contracts with a bunch of u.s. government agencies and among them i believe you have a large u.s. defense agency for your customer identity solutions. tell me exactly what you've been able to do for these government offices to keep them shielded. >> well, just like it's not just governments, liz. it's companies and every industry. it's a very broad opportunity which is cyber is the really the key to, identity is the key to cybersecurity. if you look at what we do, identity management, and if you look at all cyberattacks eight out of 10 involve some kind of compromised identity. a fished password, a reused account, an admini administratin account not adequately secured and we sure them up so they have the right visibility and policies to make sure that only the right people are getting into these accounts and business can go on and government can go

on as normal and the cyber criminals can't get in. liz: well tell me, you know, give me a number. month-by-month, what you've been able to block. i mean, i always imagine that tv show "get smart" where the gates come down before you get through. what have you been able to do for all of these, whether they are government or corporate customers that you have. >> well every month, we block 3 billion attacks whether those range in sophistication from simple trying to use databases of lost passwords and guess those passwords in various accounts, whether it's other types of attacks, credentials and other types, we block 3 billion every month, so that shows you one is that okta platforms have tremendous scale and two, that the attacks are quite broad and varied, and so defenses need to be high. liz: and i know you have something like 20 billion

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liz: yeah, we've got quite the market rally here. we've got toy makers on the screen at the moment. we've got walt disney, build-a-bear, hasbro, mattel, okay. christmas is just five days away, if you're looking to do last minute shopping, you're not going to find some of the most popular toys on the shelf. that's thanks to one of the largest privately-held toy companies in the world, mga entertainment, who came up with this idea. instead of going to the madison avenue advertisers, they teamed up with the most popular kid in the country in a unique viral video. his name is christian sovasta, otherwise known

as "the rizzler." i want cool toys, get the picture, i want awesome features, and that's what i want the most-most ♪ ♪ liz: oh, my god! okay, so he doesn't want gift cards. the rizzler's message this holiday season, give me toys, since mga entertainment dropped the video last week, the company said it has seen double-digit sales growth with every single toy that was featured in the diss-mas video. joining me now in a fox business exclusive is the viral online sensation himself, christian savasta. what are you doing my friend?

that's your thing? >> yeah, a horse race. liz: how did you come up with that? >> so, basically, i came home one-day, and i told my dad i wanted to do a video and then i said this is how you do the face of a rizzler. liz: oh, but rizzler is short for charisma? you're like the rizz? >> yeah. liz: that is amazing and it went viral? >> uh-huh. liz: i mean, millions and millions of views. how did you then meet up with mga entertainment? did they just call and say we want to use this kid because everybody watches him on tiktok? >> i think so. i think so. liz: did that surprise you? tell me about what your first thought was? >> my first thought was probably like, oh, my god i'm going to get so many toys! liz: [laughter] see? you like the message don't you of the rap. it says don't give me gift cards right? >> yeah. liz: so what do you think about the christmas move that everybody just says give me

money versus toys. >> well, wait. i don't think that i never heard of that. liz: well a lot of kids have said, i just want the money so i can buy what i want, but there's something magical about opening the toys on hanukkah or christmas day, right? >> yeah. liz: what's your christmas morning like? >> my christmas morning is like i just run down stairs and then open the toys. liz: and it's great, right? >> yeah, but i wake up my brother and mom and dad first and then i open toys. liz: oh, that's very polite of you, rizz, which is your nickname. so, tell me about the shooting of this commercial. they gave you the lyrics, and then you were wearing this faux fur coat. it's hilarious. tell me what it was like to shoot the commercial? >> it was so fun. it was so fun. i loved it and i loved the outfits too. the outfits were so fun and cool. liz: you didn't get tired? >> um, no, not really. liz: and did they coach you? did they say, once more with feeling. >> yeah.

liz: [laughter] >> well, let's talk about some of these toys that you mentioned, and we have a whole bunch that are all made by mga entertainment and they've gone absolutely parabolic in their sales. skyrocketing. tell me about what you thought when you found out that just because there have been millions o of views of this rap that you've done, this diss-mas rap dissing credi t cards and gift cards saying buy me toys, when it went through your mind that this is triggering a mass buying. >> it was like, i was like wow! i didn't know that me making a song be so big so it was just so cool. liz: one of the toys is the grossmas. this dinosaur head. let's show people how it works. so you have to add water. >> yeah. liz: it's a dinosaur head so explain what you're doing.

>> so first, you pull this tab right here. liz: yeah, pull the tab. >> okay, and then that triggers the thing, and then you pour the water. liz: in his eyes? just a little bit? >> wait, like that. and then it starts foaming. liz: okay, well wait. oh! oh, he's vomiting. oh, my god! >> a little more. liz: okay, the dinosaur is choking on its mucus? >> yeah, and then when this stops foaming, like a dinosaur toy comes out. liz: oh, so it's a two-for-one? >> yeah. liz: so the guy who came up with this idea is probably a pretty smart guy right? we know him, his name is izaac larion, and the founder and ceo of mga entertainment and hold on, he's here. the genius behind this. >> hi! how are you?

liz: happy christmas, happy hanukkah. izaac what gave you the idea to hire the rizz? it's quite inspired and you see the actual correlation between his rap and the sales. >> first of all, he's the best. he's the best and his song, "i don't want a gift card, no, no way" i want toys from mga, oh, my god! so, i love him, but we always want to be different, liz. our product is different. our marketing is different. our advertising is different. so, we said we're going to go with him and it was a matter of two weeks and boom, here we are and the shares are through the roof. so i'm so happy. liz: so he mentioned a bunch of your toys. tell me which ones have sold out. we just showed gross-mas. you've got the dino vomit

coming out of the dinosaurs mouth. can we take a shot? >> [laughter] yeah. it's sold out and meanwhile sales up double-digit of $10 retail. this story dream machine which is for younger kids thanks to "the rizzler" and the great product it is selling out at walmart but it is selling out like crazy so we have a lot of things and then of course brats are back! brats are, please, no gift cards, buy brats, toys for your kids. please. liz: well, i can tell you that he's a better salesman, as good as you are, than you, izaac. >> yeah. liz: rizz, i have to ask you. your whole life has in a way been changed. you have this massive tiktok channel, and so many people are rushing around. i mean, you do now hits with a.j. and big justice, who

have been on our set, in this chair. they are costco guys, and they do the costco stuff. >> yeah. liz: i'm just wondering what do you hear from your teachers at school? you're only eight years old, and your friends? >> well, my friends, they said they love the rap song and sometimes, for some reason, they say they want to do a video with me for some reason, but yeah. my teachers, they don't really watch tiktok that much. liz: do they know about you? >> not a lot of them, but my other, some of the teachers do. liz: okay, so, i would imagine dad, brian, whose here, hanging out in the wings of our set, has saved whatever money that you are making from all of these efforts. when you grow up, what do you want to spend the money on? >> um, i don't really know.

there's a lot of things i can spend the money on. liz: [laughter] like a lot of adults. we all want a bunch of stuff. it's great to see you. i know that you've become famous for doing this thing. okay, so where did that come up from? >> so the rizz face is like a lot of people do it but i'm the one who does it the best. liz: [laughter] >> [laughter] liz: izaac, you picked a good one here. >> thank you, thank you. i don't want a gift card, no, no, way, i don't want a gift card, no, no way, i want a toy from mga. okay! happy holidays to all. thank you. liz: thank you. what a great ceo. what a great boss, right? great to have you. izaac larian, the founder of mga entertainment and christian, "the rizzle" savasta, have a great holiday. thanks to all of you.

>> thank you, thank you. liz: thanks, riz dis: see you next time. >> see you next time. liz: support from the crypto verse showing no signs of slowing down for the self-proclaimed crypto president, even though the price of bitcoin has slowed a bit. charlie gasparino has details on what industry leaders are doing now for president-elect trump. charlie breaks it, next on the "clayman countdown." dow jones industrials up 628 points.

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>> forever grateful to my bosses here. they have been very good to me. these many years, and offered a very generous opportunity for me to stay years more. that's pretty amazing considering the fact that i don't know, i might have missed a day or two here and there battling everything from multiple sclerosis and covid to countless infections even open heart surgery. then, there were all of those , awful series of hang nails don't get me started on that one. i might have been unli unlucky n health but very lucky in the things i got to do because i got to do what i love to do, report the news. not shout the news, not blast the news. well, call names. just call balls and strikes, following the news.

to hold truth to power and fairness to all. liz: that, my friends, is not only a great journalist but a class act. neil cavuto, the man i call the heart, soul, and conscience of this network, took his final bow yesterday as only neil could, with humor but also substance. i could go on and on about his longevity and tv news business, which is a tough business, or his fearless way of calling things as he saw them but you all should know this. neil never complained about anything. he never stooped to what has become so common these days, name-calling as he mentioned it. neil, i'm going to miss you, and by the way, neil, you should know when i heard yesterday you were leaving, i cried my fake eyelashes off. that's a true story, charlie. charlie: [laughter] sorry. liz: they just came right off. charlie: i didn't realize you had fake eyelashes. charlie: it was a sad day. one of the reasons why i came here was because of the chance

to work with cavuto. he recruited me from cnbc, and you know, he is synonymous with this place. people forget the founding fathers of fox news, he was one of he was there from the beginning and one of the creators of fox business. just, you know, from for me one of the great tv journalists of all time and put him in there, put you in there. i'm proud that i do that on the best. >> there's nothing fake with me, liz. i don't even take makeup.

>> everybody says trump going for my producers to put on them amazing stats and there's going to be post party and pre-party and it'll be a big thing. one of the interest eight hours thicks and interesting because first time they've been a real player in the inaugural election and it's broken on foxbusiness.com and they're lining up to give money and listen, if just based on what

we've been eatable tar we have rip and will kraken and not getting in touch with them and they, i'm sure, we'll get it. i could see 20 million. liz: robinhood broke it here, 2 million. liz: listen to charlie and not vlad. >> it's not a crypto firm. you know what they do.

>> it's not a crypto firm. liz: they're not crypto but more of a crypto component and he referenced that. >> i know. but we're being pure in our analysis. it's a big thing and going for them and >> i got goo the last inaugural and go for jones.

liz: did you wear a gown? i'm asking you if you wore a gown. liz: it's a joke. >> i don't get it. liz: you can't. good to see you, charlie. president elect trump taking to truth social saying "i told the european union they must make up tremendous deficit with the united states by the large scale purchase of our oil and gas. gaining 5% at the moment and our next guest says in order for stocks to outperform in 2025, there's got to be confidence and growth agenda of taxes and deregulation is more powerful than the antigrowth agenda of tariffs and immigration controls. throw that in this. joining me is 1.6 trillion in assets under

management, steven dover. steven, explain why you see him with tariffs as antigrowth. >> i think that the tariffs could be quiet hurtful if fully implements and we're in a situation and it's great that the conversation you just had about crypto and equity and kind of how they're not the same but they are the same, this next year is probably looking at roll into a risk on market. t not offset by the tariffs, immigration and more. you need to be cautious right now and almost everybody on the show is positive. liz: yep, most positive about and advising with the $1.6 trillion in assets you have

as chief market strategist of franklin templeton, is it the new jersey sector? >> we're positive on the energy sector and what you said about europe purchasing american energies and very positive. we don't think a geopolitical disruption causing energy prices to go up and that's positive. on the other side of that, there's sectors like the defense sector that are likely liz: we're closing with a rally. markets down for the week but have a lovely weekend. larry: hello