liz: okay, thomas. good to see you. thank you very and have see you next time on your screen and 10-year yield and 4.79% and interest rates are rising. that of course makes borrowing capital more expensive and hurts smaller and mid cap companies and big tech companies so that's why you see a bit of weakness on the nasdaq but way off the lows of the session. with we'll see you tomorrow. larry: hello, folks. welcome to kudlow. i'm larry kudlow. well, donald trump's defense secretary nominee pete hegseth heads into his confirmation hearing with very strong momentum behind him, and we have some breaking news on that, really breaking news from fox news digital. alts senator tommy tuberville and marsha

blackburn on mr. trump's 100 planned executive orders on inauguration day. but first up, our own max gordon live in pacific palisades, california, with the latest on the wild fires there. max, any better news today? reporter: better news, larry, fire fighters are getting a handle on some of the fires and 14% containment on the palisades fire and up around 30 or so% containment but still you see widespread destruction like this all over pacific palisades and communities here in the los angeles area and there is another threat on the way. a pds, particularly dangerous situation according to national weather service with winds between 45 and 70 miles per hour. very strong winds that's going to be very challenging for fire fighters and any spark can light an inferno but help has arrived

here and you can see down below the staging area for the palisades fire, we've seen engines from across the west from portland, from seattle, all over the place here to help out in the fire fighting efforts but it is going to be a challenging one with winds on the way and fire fighters say residents here in the los angeles area, they need to be aware and they need to be ready to evacuate at a moment's notice and see what happens in the next day or two. this could be a dynamic situation. back to you. larry: max gordon, thank you for that update. now let's go over to capitol hill. fox news aishah ho hoes knee wih the latest. aishah hasnie with the very latest. reporter: yeah, everyone wanted to go down and have face-to-face time with the president elect and sources telling me that the president elect used his personal charm to send a message of unity to house republicans who came down to visit with him. house republicans who could tank

his agenda, watch. >> i think the president's message is that we need to remain unified as a republican conference and work in lock step together, we can get this country back on track. reporter: so, trump met with fiscal hawks in the house caucus and more centrist republicans in the main street caucus and could potentially be a fight over state and local tax deductions and watching that closely and trump told lawmakers from new york, energy and california to go back home and try to find a fair number for lifting the salt cap. >> he agrees the cap on salt needs to be lifted. it did have a negative impact on states like new york. they're the highest property tax counties in america. so the combination of taxes is devastating and $10,000 is just insufficient. reporter: so that's what's happening in the house. over in the senate, confirmation

hearings begin tomorrow with trump's defense secretary pick, pete hegseth, he'll be in front of the senate arms services committee as well as interior secretary doug burgum and doug colins and they're feeling good about the nominees and several senators i'll remind you, they're coming out in support of these nominees including pete hegseth and going for them and how that goes tomorrow. larry: the love affair between donald trump and john fetterman of pennsylvania. i heard there was heavy smooching.ing. reporter: it went extremely well and the washington examiner put it this way and looks at him as not just a partisan personality and could sue him pretty well in the upcoming months getting votes he needs in the senate.

larry: more on that, aishah has knee, thank you for your reporting. that's the subject of the riff. pete hegseth appears before the senate armed services excite tee tomorrow as president elect trump's nominee for defense secretary. now, before anyone says another word about his nomination, they should read the hot off the press story from fox news digital which reports how spectacular his military evaluations were. incredibly talented battle proven leader is one dipso. much decorated veteran going for the fox news host and described as outstanding leadership skills over the course of his military services, which includes deployments to kwan tan mo, c

cuba, gush guantanamo, iraq and afghanistan. taking control of the platoon mere days and operation iraqi freedom and led his platoon through five months of combat. range from air assault raids and operating base. it goes onto describe how the platoon remained physically and mentally ready and captured an al-qaida cell lyddane iraq. went onto describe his leadership skills and controlling his squads, air support and other external combat support assets. according to yet another report obtained by fox news digital, evaluators describe him as "an absolutely outstanding officer" who was "intent, mature, and extremely

gifted" and had become "a tremendous asset for to his battalion and contributed immensely to the battalion's performance during the past six months". these evaluations should be crucially important in the coming senate committee hearing ands tremendous breaking news report for fox news digital. and it should put to rest at least some of the unproven allegations leveling hegseth many years ago and allegations had nothing to do with the military fitness or his overall leadership skills. now, veterans rallying around pete hegseth and his nomination to be defense secretary today for example, there was an indoor rally spearheaded by tommy tuberville and congressman keith self. there's a clip from senator tuberville today.

we need a drill sergeant, somebody that's been in two wars and somebody that understands comradery and team and work ethnicity ick and time restraint and respect. pete is somebody that believes in this country. larry: secretary tuberville coming up on the show in just a moment. tomorrow, hundreds more veterans expected to peacefully rally in support of pete hegseth at veteran's memorial and dc landmarks and in addition to serving as a much decorated combat veteran and several wars and pete s hegseth was educatedn princeton and harvard and war on warriors that argued the importance of ending woke

fixation on diversity, equity, and ibram collusion and changing in favor of reinvigorating the warrior culture in the pentagon and all through the armed services. now, joe biden leaves the white house with the world in an extremely dangerous place, donald trump intends to turn this completely around to america's advantage. the senate must put true warrior pete hegseth at mr. trump ocean side to help him do it and that's the riff. all right, joining me now is alabama senator tommy tuberville, aforementioned great friend of the show, and strong helicoptering seth and i don't know if you -- hegseth db of interaural known if you god wind and put it out a little after 3:00 p.m. and fox news digital report on the military evaluations of pete hegseth but these evaluations i mentioned a couple of them in my opening riff, these evaluations are

spectacular senator tuberville. i mean, one after another absolutely spectacular and make everybody on armed services and i hope somebody will distribute this fox news story because it's very important evidence. these are the military evaluations of hegseth and they are, as i said, spectacular. what do you think, sir? >> outstanding resume, larry. i was in that press conference today with a lot of people that had served with pete, and just listening to story after story about how he motivated people, how he took his command and led his people into battle. he did things a lot of these woke generals that are in the pentagon have dreamed about. as you heard me say, we don't need anybody that's been not been there before. we need somebody that's been there and done that and knows the experience and what they're

getgetting into. he has a very tough job of leading 1.3 million people in armed services in the right direction. we've got to get away from all the woke agenda and get away from affirmative action, and start building a voluntary military that really believes in this country and the future of this country. larry: there's so much, by the way, i hope that you or your staff can contribute this fox newses story with these military evaluations. again, these are military evaluations. they are on the record evaluations. anyway, an iraq and fox news digital evaluators described him and this is in iraq, ab sleuthly outstanding officer who was -- absolutely outstanding officer who was intent intelligent, mature, extremely gifted and had become a tremendous asset to his battalion and contributed immensely to the battalion's performance during the past six months. that's just one of many

paragraphs of extraordinary evaluation. nothing like this report has come out thus far. nothing like this report has come out, and it just seems to me that all these -- i regard them as service connected louis personal attacks on him and have nothing to do with his personal service and the armed services personnel have to get hold of this fox digital story. >> that will be brought up tomorrow, larry, when we start the hearing. i think it's around 9, 9:30 in the morning. you'll hear most of that come from obviously the republican side talking about experience, talking about the things that have been accomplished by pete. on the other side, you'll hear personal stories, you'll hear them going after his personal life, things that really -- obviously matter in the long run, but at the end of the day, nobody's perfect and we've got to make sure we put somebody in this position that has experience and understands the

war fighter and not the warmonger. we need to build this military back. larry: none of those personal allegations amounted to any official charge by the local harts in california and there was no official charge as i recall. >> yeah, and fbi investigation is back, the ranking member and the chairman of our committee read those and there's nothing there that would bring up any allegation and everything is falling into place and you'll get a huge attack tomorrow and sataring about 9:00 from the left and democrats can't stand anybody that's going to come in and make a change for the american people and continue with the woke policies. larry: look at woke policies and hegseth pledged to end those policies and dei and so forth. and to re-inculcate a warrior

culture in the pentagon, which by the way undoubtedly help moral. there's a lot of great people in the army and the various services, we know that. they just need support from someone that's very strong. but, i mean, here's the point, mr. trump want as change. we need a complete change of american foreign policy over the last four years. it's been a policy of appeasement, america has lost ground, the world has become far more dangerous place ask you know this as well as anybody and he wills my point is trump wants to turn this around and completely reverse this and basically he wants pete hegseth at his side, at his elbow as defense sec tourist. that is something that mr. trump has earned. it's part of his policy mandate for change, is it not? >> exactly right. today in the press conference and talking about inflation, border, crime, our bad

education, but if you don't have a strong military to protect the people in the country and allies, it make nosodifference. question have to get somebody like pete in there that's going to rebuild the military. it's divided, larry, as we speak. i've bpmc all over the world on military bases and all kind of people trying to do their own thing. we need to get back to the team approach when it comes to the united states military. we need to be a lethal fighting machine and only way you can do that is start from the top. you can't build from the bottom. start from the top and have that leadership like pete has. larry: okay, i hope the hearings go well and i hope this breaking news story by fox digital gets around and surely quite something. before i let you go, senator, one last thing, this greenland story, okay, this story has legs and more legs and people are writing correctly how strategically important to the u.s. and western hemisphere

greenland is so china and russia stop noising them around and learning that the prime minister of denmark and the, i don't know whether it's prime minister or the president of greenland, they want to talk with mr. trump about some kind of deal or arrangement. so this story is actually -- i know it was mock when had it first came out and month be mocked because it's very important. the news over the weekend, they want to talk. denmark wants to talk, greenland wants to talk and i'm sure mr. trump is willing to negotiate something. isn't that interesting, and what do you make of it? >> i make out of it that he all along has been very serious. he's a deal maker, larry. you know that. president trump loves to make dedeals and understands the national security aspect with greenland, they have minerals and resources and at the end of the day, they want better leadership in greenland. they've said that. president trump will sit with all the entities and make sure that we understand that china

and russia is moving into the arctic circumstance and will moving in with ice busters and very close. we need some kind of presence there and we have a military presence, but if we can make a deal with them in terms of giving them more presence, we've got to be able to protect their northern front and what better way to make a better relationship with greenland, also get a better relationship with the people in antarctic and being able to protect that and so many things that can be stronger and better and only president trump coming up with this. larry: thank you, senator tuberville. good luck in tomorrow's hearing. folks, coming up on kudlow, will congress ever cut spending in our lifetime? you know, ever cut spending, $2 trillion deficits as far as the eye can see. actually even more education loan cancellations, it's unbelievable. anyway, art laffer is coming on, steve moore is coming on too.

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larry: will congress ever cut spending in our lifetime? we have art laffer, steve moore and coauthor of the trump economic miracle. with art laffer, probably the answer is no, they'll never cut spending, but it is worth talking about for a moment. there are 2 trillion deficit for as far as the eye can see, steve moore, i have a slight bone to pick with you. you keep writing up how the debt ceil sergeant so unimportant, and i would say to you, the debt ceiling never cut spending, never cut deficits and never cut debt. the only progress we've ever made, and i'm serious on this,

is when spending caps were imposed and implemented with particularly the spending caps but also paul ryan had spending caps, john bainer had spending caps and kevin mccarthy's spending caps and one of the reasons the first cr blew up last month because they were waived. by point is it isn't debt ceilings or debt limits but it's spending caps that have to be enforced and that is where they should go? this big -- one big beautiful bill that's coming up. >> you have it half right, larry. it is true when newt gingrich came in we got spending caps and first balanced budges in 50 years when bill clinton was president and you're right, going back to the graham cuts and i talked to phil graham about that the other day and boasting that was the only time we cut the budget and even bainer cuts came and what you

miss about this, larry, all of those reforms and using leverage of the debt sealing dealing with democrats. larry: no they didn't. no they didn't. >> that's what you're missing. larry: you're kidding yourself. stop. you know that's not true. >> they have phil graham on your show and he'll agree with me, larra larry. larry: you know that's not true. larry: i just love this. debt ceiling never stopped anything in the history of debt ceilings. all that happens under debt ceils is spending going up and deficits and debt. that's all that happens. graham ridman with spending caps and they have to be enforced by political leadership and i'll grant you that and i can't get that excited, arthur. we have to slow down spending and we have to grow the economy, but i just cannot get excited about these debt ceilings because debt ceilings are

responsible for the greatest increases in debt that i've ever seen. >> well, putting something out saying larry kudlow -- go ahead. larry: go ahead, arthur. >> well, just two of my best friends ever. larry, you won that one. i think that especially true and they're thinking they saw the debt ceiling by raising taxes and that's the worst thing and only thing worse about spending caps and blunt instruments and there's certain things to cut spending on and all the transfer payments and paying people not to work and don't want to cut on defense. those two are not equivalent on caps and they're the way to go and get rid of it completely i think. larry: we solved that problem. we've completely solve that had problem. now, i want to go onto the next one. west chester county in new york, congressman mike lawler on

maria's sunday show yesterday. he wants to raise the salt cap so the deduction for state and local taxes, take a quick listen, here it comes. >> you had a very important meeting with president trump and i know he get this is. you expect the salt cap to be lifted in >> he understands and agrees the cap on salt needs lifted and i introduced legislation to lift toy $10 0* thousand for individuals and $200,000 for married couples and from the very beginning, if salt was not lifted i will to the support a tax bill that will not do that . >> wow. larry: i think you and i agree that to get the one big beautiful bill through, so double it from 10-20,000, mike lawler wants to go 100-200,000. by the way, just in "the wall street journal" editorial this morning, if you double the salt

cap from 10-20,000, it costs 175 billion over 10 years and just want to put that in. now, 23 you took that to -- took it to 100,000 as mr. lawler pes, there's no telling. i can't even calculate it. what's going to happen on in? >> the general principle for good tax policy and we can agree, there should be no salt deduction and no rational whatsoever for people that live in florida, people in idaho have to pay higher taxes to pay for high taxes in spending in new york and california. that's just making no sense to maine and by the way, if you bring back -- if you bring back the salt deduction, you're talking about a trillion dollars that that's going to we use the

salt deduction to lower the tax rates on everybody, that's what we should do here. larry: the point s arthur, we shouldn't incentivize all these blue states to keep raising taxes. >> exactly. larry: by allowing the state taxes to be deducted from federal taxes and that's going to be in the discussion of how much new york pay to the federal government and all this stuff. i don't care. the issue arthur is the incentives are all wrong. too gets tax bill through, you'll need all the votes and it's a thin majority and only one bite at the apple, one big beautiful bill to put tax cuts in there and spending cuts as well as border stuff and any production and how far would you go to make a peace, do you think? what would work to your way of thinking, art? >> when i look at your two and

the highest tax places in the world and i'm in a zero tax state, it knows no boundaries. to be honest with you, what i would like to see happening is one-half of all state and local taxes should be deductible, period. shouldn't be limits on deductions but limits on percentage of taxes deductible and marginal tax rates on the people in the blue states that really matters. it's the marge marginal tax ratd not the cost or et cetera. half the tax there is would give the marginal affect and they'll pay for themselves larry. if you made half of the deductions deductible unlimited, all right. you would pay for itself with the growth and output and less sheltering and all that sort of stuff that occurs. they'd be revenue raisers in truth. not saying much for the county. larry: that's interesting and saying measure definitely and the issue shouldn't be the size of the deduction or the size of

the cap? you're just saying the percentage should be, i don't know, is that going be -- these states are all such huge tax states and talking about four or five states. no, more than that. half a dozen states. so would that matter, steve moore in i've got to think about this. i think art's putting something over on us, but i want to think it through, steve moore. >> well, you and i have been talking a lot about this, and i think the point is he wants to bring down the total tax rate that those people at the top are pieing and sending it down to work more but i would say that all -- most of the people that take this tax break and remember, 91% of americans no longer itemize their deductions, larry, for the vast majority of people living in new york, it's a meaningless thing and i just don't understand the rational at all and i can live with increasing the deduction from 10-20,000 but i think arthur has a pretty interesting thing too.

bringing it back to 200 has a limit. that's unacceptable to me. larry: last one, i'm going to say this, famous wall street journal editorial published two years ago, i think, okay. if you live in new york city synergy home your top state and local tax rate is 14.8%. if you live in miami, your top state and local tax rate is 0. that is recklessness. steve moore, you've got that right. you got one right today. the debt thing you belie blew out but got that right. it's zero if you live in miami or nashville or where arthur lives too. that's the story, 14.8 versus 0 and out in california where everything is broken down, we pray that people can live through it.

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power. larry: please, what is going out lying. that's how he governed. hate to say it. joining us to talk about it, rich lowry, editor in chief of the national review. miranda divine, ace columnist and fox news contributor and david webb, fox news contributor and host of the daily webb show on xm. and my stomach turn which is i hear this, just a pack of falsehood, rich lowry. how does he get off saying it with a straight face no less. >> yeah, it's ridiculous and our image of the projetion of straight is the worst since under jimmy carter. at least hiss shifted and admitted he made a mistake and increased military spending and started to deregulate importantly but we've seen nothing like that from joe biden and it's going to be nine or ten days from now and seeing the change. you're seeing it happen because so many people are taking the president elect more seriously than the president.

larry: indeed, around the world. i don't know if anyone even watched the speech. myrrh leeanne darks i don't even want -- miranda, i don't even want to talk about it but did you see the fox news digital article about the military valuations of pete hegseth for his nomination for the defense secretary, spectacular, one after another and huge story and everyone districted and on the committee and going for them and in other words trump wants to reverse, talking about this top of the show and trump wants to reverse the appeasement and wants hegseth at his elbow and he should get it. these military evaluations of hegseth are extraordinary and it's a breaking news, really a big slam article. >> well, i mean, pete hegseth is just extraordinary in so many ways and he's principled and has

the right values about what he wants the military to be and > >> craig yous combat veteran and well regarded business hi pierss so i think having him first cap off the rank for the confirmation is a good idea, good strategy because he will be probably the most difficult to get across the line, maybe tulsi gabbard, but he's one of the most crucial people in -- who's going to be in the trump administration and going to set things right again and after we've had general mili and the rest of them, the woke military and moral that's plummeted and the fact that you've had so -- the recruitment is a disasser and the people that are recruiting and not the right stuff, if pete hegseth is a perfect man, he's the absolute avatar of the american fighting

man, american warrior, and he'll get recruitment levels and you happen get moral up and he's just the perfect guy. larry: the evaluation -- don't mean to interrupt. the evaluation -- this military evaluation and absolutely outstanding officer and intelligent, mature, extremely gifted and tremendous asset to his battalion and the performance et cetera. and basically we've learned through biden apiecement never works. >> you've said in the beginning and combine lie withs appeasement what joe biden does and he'll launch on the charlottesville lie and he lied to the nation and world earlier today about the various "accomplishments". he gives you the truth what about the facts behind it including nato and they said this was tram tap did this. go through the speech. when it cops to pete hegseth,

there's a core principle involved in the military, do you trust your commanders, do they have your back because you'll have theirs. whether you're in the platoon, the platoon sergeant and company commander, whatever it is, that needs to be there and that's what pete seg health brings to the table and it's contrary to what biden put on the table with lloyd austin and all of the other chiefs that he put in place, with the woke bs he put in the military that didn't keep it within the standards that were necessary and rather ideology theyfelt felt were necessary and telling my kids not to go in and look at recruitment numbers and all the marine corp. met recruitment numbers and general mattis spent money to come out with a report saying it doesn't work. if you're not qualified to be on the 30 cal team, if you're not qualified to be a marine when we need you to be a marine, you're

not qualified to be on the front lines. all oval window this is about make -- all of this is about making it more lethal, effective, and capable military. bit way, those are the smartest people, 19 and 20 year-olds on border ships that make decisions that affect lives because they are trained to be the best. larry: miranda, back to you. this was very serious, the first conversation. the second will be tongue and cheek. i read your article today. you don't trust mark zuckerberg's new conversion against woke and against censorship, i understand. i have a theory. for whatever will be, there are throughout history, miranda, many examples of salt on the road to damascus. [ laughter ] larry: should have seen this coming. >> on the road to mar-a-lago.

larry: the road to damascus was paved by trump's strong election. i just notice that had there may be only one road and there's many sols and bezos is one and zuckerberg is one. >> i mean, trump -- larry: i know you're thomas the touter. >> it's a pilgrimage. larry: you're doubting thomas, but it happens and there's conversions in life. >> oh, yes, buzz these are just giving whiplash and trump laughs about it. he says these people, i always ask them, he says it very seriously, would you be here if i hadn't won the election? and they get all embarrassed and it's of course not. he's fully air ware of what's going on but he's playing with them, i guess, like a cat with a mouse. larry: rich, do you believe this? >> it happens, conversions on

the road to damascus. >> sometimes people just go along with the band wagon, right. does it matter at the end of the day and a fence sitter like mark zuckerberg and change the culture and politics o f it such that he wants to be with you, even if not sincere, that's a good thing. he's been in the alternative. >> he was way on the other side before. >> he got pushed by the other side. larry: i'm going to let them argue this out. once upon a time we call it had a big temp but it's changed now. rich lowry, thank you. miranda devine and david webb. all catch david cohosting the bottom line with dagen mcdowell at 6:00 p.m. on fabulous fox business and all go on the road to damascus. speaking of damascus, coming up, president trump, 100 executive orders on inauguration day and talking about it with senator marsha blackburn next. ♪

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larry: all right, 100 executive orders on inauguration day and that's possible from president trump and we welcome back marsha blackburn to talk about it. happy new year, senator blackburn. he talked to republican senators wednesday, and 100, for all i know, it'll be more than 100. what'd you take away from it? what can you share with us?

>> we have a very aggressive and forward moving president donald trump. we're looking forward to that, and i got to tell you, larry, 100 is a great start. we might have to do a thousand to undo all the damage that joe biden has done to this country. so i'm thrilled he's going to start with 100, and then that will kind of build a fire under the members of the house and the senate to get moving and pass legislation, codify some of these orders so we can get them into statute and make them law. i know the president is really pushing forward to get the border secure, to work on the tax cuts, and making those permanent, and to better our standing in the world. so that our allies and know they're an ally and our enemies

fear us. larry: yeah, i've been advocating for one, big, beautiful bill, which i guess is what the house is going push forward. executive orders and a couple of thins and a lot will be border related; right? i mean, you're right about them getting codified into law. i agree 100% on that. executive -- i mean, basically it's like trump did 100 to close the border when he was president the first time. biden did 100 to open the border. and now trump has got to reverse all that right back that's a an impact. >> it will have an impact and gnat working on laken reilly act and we have a clear act and

requires ice to pick them up within 48 hours and then they have to reimburse that local law enforcement agency for every penny on apprehension and detention and those will begin to send a message. and showing that we will secure that border, we need to be certain that we have got the money in place so that the president can begin to build the wall. we need to bolster our mill stair spending, we need to make certain that energy production that we move back to producing american energy so that we're energy independent, and president trump will get going on it right away with 100 right out the gate as i said. he might end up having to do 1,000 to get rid of all the damage joe biden has done. larry: i'm in for a thousand, muhma'am, no question about tha. last little bit, senator

blackburn, biden did it again on the way out. another 150,000 loans cancelled. okay, now he's up to 5 million people and by some estimates, 500 billion of loan cancellations and all the while he's busting the law from the supreme court. how do you figure this? i have 25 seconds >> people need to realize they're going to have to pay that money back. it is -- they're not going to get by with shorting the government and not repaying that loan. all of this is taxpayer dollar. larry: senator marsha blackburn, best of the best. thank you, ma'am, appreciate it very much. i'll be right back. ♪

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