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democrats, elon musk is no nazi. we're going to have senators mike lee, cynthia lummis and tim sheehy on all these subjects. first up, though, foxx news' bill melugin live in boston on the trump i.c.e. raids. bill, this is some story. what's cooking? >> reporter: hey, larry. good afternoon to you. well, in the early days of this new trump administration, i.c.e. officials tell me they're taking what they call a worst first approach, and that means they're going after the worst of the worst criminal alien offenders first. and we were granted exclusive access to join i.c.e. here in the sanctuary city of boston as they went out to the streets and enforced immigration law. take a look. >> good morning, everyone. >> reporter: it's a frigid 5 degrees in the predawn hours just outside of boston where this team of elite i.c.e. officers is briefing on their targets for the day. >> we're going to be targeting or some extremely violent offenders today. >> reporter: within moment, officers have eyes on their

first target. >> we have movement, target vehicle coming out. >> reporter: they quickly take him into custody. he's an ms-13 gang member wanted in el salvador for aggravated murder, and he has an interpol red notice out for his arrest. >> we are targeting very violent threats to our community. >> i'm not going back the haiti. >> reporter: one of those threats is this illegal alien from haiti. i.c.e. says he's a gang member with 17 criminal convictions in lean years. >> [bleep], [bleep] trump, you feel me? thank obama for everything he did for me, bro. biden forever. >> reporter: i.c.e. boston quickly takes down this illegal alien from brazil who has an interpol red notice for armed robbery, this salvadoran illegal alien charged locally with rape and released by a sanctuary just dick -- jurisdiction, and this dominican illegal alien charged with assault with a deadly

weapon and heroin trafficking. officers also arrested this got mall hand ms-13 if gang member facing gun charges. i.c.e. says he was released from local custody just the day before. their do detainer request was ignored because of sanctuary policy, and in a sign of shifting priorities with the new trump administration, this man -- who was in the same apartment if as the target -- was also arrested after i.c.e. determined he's also in the u.s. illegally. this is what i.c.e. calls collateral. so you guys got your main target, but you gotten somebody else. what just happened? >> our main target was are released by a sang sanctuary jurisdiction -- jurks jurisdiction. that person was released back in the community, and when we went to find him, he was with somebody else who was previously removed from the if united states, so he's going to go today too. >> reporter: and that is exactly what border czar tom homan has warned would happen. >> when we find the bad guy, he's probably with others, others that are in the united states illegally. they may not be a criminal

priority, but we're not walking away from them. >> reporter: i.c.e. boston says they will continue to go into sanctuary jurisdictions can and do their job. >>ed the was a good day. today we took several significant public safety threats out of our communities. unfortunately, a lot were released by sanctuary policy, but we're here to tell the commonwealth and the rest of the country a the we're going to find them whether they're released or not. >> reporter: and, larry are, it didn't end there. shortly after our embed with i.c.e. boston was over, they told us they made two more arrests of two more targets, one of which was a honduran illegal alien who had been previously deported but is now charged with raping a woman while holding a gun in her mouth. the second target they got was a haitian man who first flew into the united states in 2023 as part of president biden's controversial migrant mass flights parole program. well, he is now charged locally with sexual assault. those are the kind of people that i.c.e. is picking up out

here in the sanctuary city of boston. larry, send it back to you with. larry: you know, bill, this is a dynamite story, and thank you for that. so what i gather listening to you and listening to the others in the clip, they're cutting right through the sanctuary city. they're cutting right through to get these criminals. now, are they getting any resistance? are local, you know, i'm going to say democratic, blue state politicians trying to stop them? any of that stuff? >> reporter: no. i think they're finding out that a virtue signaling and press conferences only go so far. i.c.e., when push comes to shove, they're going to do their job. sanctuary areas can make it more difficult and dangerous by not cooperating, but they cannot stop i.c.e. from coming into these areas. i.c.e. has a job to enforce federal immigration law. state officials, local officials, they can't do anything about that. they don't have to help i.c.e., but they cannot physically stop them from doing it. a. larry: got it. great story. dynamite story. bill melugin, thank you ever so

much. all right, trump talks america first to the davos globalists, and that's the subject of tonight's riff. president trump spoke to the davos poobahs today, or what's left of them. think of it as a america first versus the the last remaining globalists. metaphorically, davos is really kind of a ghost town. the people still left left are the ones that doesn't get the memo, the trump memo. the smart ceos are the silicon valley techie crowd who have come over to mr. trump's side. they're the ones you saw at the inaugural swearing-in ceremony led by elon musk, natch naturallyal. they got the memo, and they read it carefully. now, the davos phantoms, especially the e.u. and nato cabal, they believest it's time to keep rearming ukraine so they can defeat russia in this endless and stalemated war. thankfully, mr. trump has an

entirely different vision. he wants to end the war. he wants peace talks with putin and certificate hen sky. he doesn't want -- zelenskyy. he doesn't want to the spend any more american taxpayer dollars on ukraine. in fact, he's mocking the nato countries because most of them won't pony if up 5% of gdp for their defense budgets. so president trump argues that saudi arabia and opec should increase oil production in order to get prices down. and, of course, his drill, baby, drill policy at home also geared towards more production and lower oil prices. instead of $80 a barrel, something like $60 would be a good target. that was roughly the average during mr. trump's first term and, frankly, for many of those years oil was well below $60. and mr. trump correctly argues cheaper oil will damage russia because putin and company have a one-horse economy, oil.

drop it $20 or more and they're in even bigger trouble. and going even beyond that, lower oil prices will bring down the biden-flation rate which continues to plague america and mr. trump's working class constituents who could never afford to live in the biden economy with over 20% if inflation beating out blue collar wage rates. and then the with lower oil driving down inflation, it's time for interest rates to come down. mr. trump's view in the u.s. and europe. the president has an oil-centric view of inflation. he's not a monotarrist, but he does have a very important point. oil and all manner of petroleum products pervade the american economy. they spread into hundreds of everyday consumer and business items, and i'll bet it's true in europe as well as the u.s. and finally, president trump told the davos europeans it's

time to buy american or else they're going to get stuck with higher tariffs. if now, mind you, european union tariff rates are roughly 50% higher than tariff rates. that is patently unfair trading. by the way, china's tariffs are twice as high as ours, india's almost five times as high as ours, and the world trade organization never does a thing about this. so trump's speech to what may very well be the last gasp of davos was tough but, frankly, it was realistic. and most importantly, an america first speech. trump's economic logic will lead to an era of abundance if only people would listen to him. and if the ghosts of davos would come back to life for just a moment, they'd be imitate thing -- imitating trump

economics of low taxes and deregulation and fossil energy production and, yes, peace through strength. and that's the riff theme. all right. we're going to talk about immigration and many things with the great utah senator, mike lee. senator lee, great friend to the show, thanks foring on. let me start, can i start with bill melugin's report on the immigration? you know, promises made, promises kept. tough on the border, and the deportation of criminals has started right away, senator lee, right away. going through the sanctuary city barriers, so-called. what you make of it, sir? >> look, what i make of this is that donald trump has shown that he's willing to deliver on campaign promises. promises the american people have been relying on him to deliver and promises that that really are long overdue. it's also showing, larry, just how inexcusable the biden administration's ina action

was -- inaction was. they claimed over and over, oh, we can't do it for this reason, that reason or any other reason. this was a willful subversion of america's border security, an intentional a weakening of our national security. he left this thing wide open for four years. he did so, more ifover, after receiving -- moreover, after receiving the most secure border any incoming president has had in modern history, and he ruined it. now, donald trump is having to go back almost to the drawing board, as it were, start from square one, and he's already making significant progress. i applaud him for that. looking forward to what comes after this. no nation if can survive as long as it doesn't have defensible borders, and america is no exception. larry: no, absolutely right on target. i mean, it's interesting to me, bill melugin -- he's such a great reporter, and he's such a great reporter on the immigration story in recent years. phenomenal stuff. but it's interesting. his point was that that tom homan and i.c.e. and so forth had gone after what melugin

called the worst of the worst, the tough to test criminals. they're gone into a half a dozen cities, boston, denver, philly, atlanta, seattle, part time, tough cities, cutting through the sanctuary city part. and let me just add, senator lee, as you probably know the plan is 10,000 troops will gather at a the border, 1500 american troops are already down there to close the border. so what you make of all that? i mean, they're not -- the worst of the worst get hit the hardest right away. >> yes. the worst of the worst. look, he's going about this exactly the right way. you triage this. biden created so many problems with his open borders, problems that have resulted in death, destruction, suffering and theft among other problems for the american people. so president trump's right to start where he's starting. and i suspect that the folks from tren de aragua, that awful, notorious venezuelan gang, are going to be at the receiving end of this in addition to so many others. is so this is going to continue,

our hope and expectation a is that in some cases some of these folks will have enough presence of mind the realize it might make sense for them to leave on their own. for those that don't, they will find out the hard way. they're at the find-out end of the mess-around -- we might say. larry: the find-out end, i like that very much. another point, another headline, senator lee, front page "wall street journal" today. an anxious federal work force bids good-bye to job stability and remote if work. it's almost tragic that we're going to ask federal employees to to come to work. that's a tragedy. a second tragedy is there's too many of them. and a third tragedy is dei is dead, senator lee. now, i know you've worked on all a these issues. looks like this too, you know, promises made, promises kept from mr. trump. this, too, is happening. >> yeah. you know, or it's interesting, larry, we worked a lot of this out in the 18600s, fought a civil war is and thereafter

adopted the civil war amendments including the 14th amendment which prohibits government from treating people differently on the basis of race. roughly a century later we adopted a series of statutes including the civil rights act of 1964 which prohibits, among other things, racial discrimination and sex discrimination in the workplace. and here we find ourselves many decades later having to go back the those massive victories and still fight them again. better late than never. not a moment ooh too soon for donald trump to come onboard and for his administration to say, you know, it's immoral, it's el illegal and when government does it, it's unconstitutional the discriminate on the basis of race. it should have been the case all along, and i'm so glad president trump came along and is ready to fix it. the american people are better off as a result of it. this just is not a good reason not legally, not constitutionally, not morally to discriminate on the basis of race. larry: hang on a second. i've got some trump tape, what he said at davos.

let's see, roll this tape. senator, take a listen the what a he said today. >> my if administration has also begun the largest deregulation campaign in history far exceeding even the record-setting efforts of my last term. many total, the biden administrations -- the in total, the biden administration imposed $50,000 in additional regulatory costs on the average american household over the last four years. i i a have promised to eliminate 10 old regulations for every new regulation which will soon put many thousands of dollars back in the pockets of american families. larry: you know, senator lee, of course, music to your ears, music to my ears. but between mr. trump and omb director-to-be russ vought -- very dear friend of mine -- and the doge brothers, elon musk and so forth, they want to, if i read it right, sir, they want to disempower the regulatory state,

really the socialists. they want to undermine it. and they want to use supreme court, you know all about this, constitutional expert, two decisions, right? chevron deference and ep if a v. west virginia. the supreme court basically has said, go ahead, because the regulators, the alphabet agencies have gotten way too big for their britches. so this is the all part of that follow through, it seems to me. >> it's all part of the follow through, and it's leading to someplace even better, even greater. we have to remember that as great as west virginia v. epa and the case undoing chevron deference are, we're still not finished until we end the barbaric and ultimately, i believe, the unconstitutional practice of law making by executive bureaucrat fiat. larry: right. >> i keep two stacks of documents in washington, one of them a few inches tall. the laws passed by congress last year with. the other tends to be about 13 feet tall every year. it's the federal register.

the federal regulations as their promulgate add up to this 100,000-page-per-year behemoth of a document. those are laws. they can throw you in jail, they can result in millions of dollars in fines, they can shut down your business if you don't ply with them, and yet they're not -- comply with them, and yet they're not passed by elected representatives. they're passed by unelected bureaucrats. that contra veeps the spirit of the constitution9 and the if letter of article i, section seven which says you cannot make a law except by passing it first through the house and then the senate and submitting it to the president. we need to reinstate the constitution, we can do that by enacting reforms like the raines act which would require congress to have the final say before those can be reinforced. not only because natural law, the spirit of the constitution and the declaration of independence call on us to do this, but the constitution itself, i believe, requires it. and the american people certainly deserve it. they're drowning under $4

trillion of compliance costs every year. this is unacceptable. larry: yeah. and all these regs essentially provide the can cover fur m -- the cover for more government spending, more federal spending and even more principal regulating. last one, senator lee. having some fun here, but the it's a very important topic. i want to ask you about one big, beautiful bill. but, but my friend and yours, steve forbes, the great steve forbes, okay? he was a fabulous economics thinker. he's really campaigning for a capital gains tax cut if whatever form -- in whatever form the tax issue is, one big, beautiful bill or a second bill or maybe extend the tax cuts in the first bill and then move on to 2.0 in the second bill. the capital gains tax which would boost investment and always pays for itself with higher revenues, let's see, it's 20% if plus 3.8 in the obama tax, so that's 23.8%. why not knock it down to 15% and

put that alongside a 15% corporate tax rate for domestic production? you know, forbes likes the flatness of those tax rates. what do you think, senator? i'm just putting this out there and, yeah, i know you could socialize this among your colleagues. why -- capital gains tax. more growth, more investment, more revenues, lower deficits. >> yes. look, i strongly suspect -- and you can probably confirm this -- if we were to do that, we would have more revenue -- larry: yes. >> -- not less. larry: yes. >> we've got to go back to looking at our tax code as performing a functional task, a practical task; namely, funding the government. if that is our goal, which it is and must be, first and foremost, rather than social engineering. we would do exactly this kind of thing. remember back in the late '20s when calvin coolidge wanted to overhaul the federal tax system which was much less bad thans the now. the u.s. chamber of commerce and all the traditional a skeptics

from the news media, liberal then as they are now -- not quite as much then probably -- they all said doom and gloom would befall us. you know what happened? we had more revenue than ever, more revenue than we knew what to do with. we paid off the debt. not only was the budget balanced, but we paid off the existing debt. this is the kind of thing that can happen when we look functionally at the tax code as a means by which to fund the government rather than through social engineering the try to redistribute wealth. when you do that, you bring in more revenue, it's percent for everyone, rich and poor, old and young. everyone benefits from this, and i hope we move in that direction. larry: 100%. music to my ears. by the way, i was there for the coolidge ax cut -- tax cuts. i helped draft the original copy. no, i'm just kidding, of course. >> that was good of you, of course. as you did with grover cleveland. [laughter] larry: cleveland was one of my favorite presidents. okay. senator mike lee, you're wonderful, sir. thank you very much for giving

us all that time. we appreciate it. >> thanks, larry are. larry: all right. all right, folks, coming up here on "kudlow," president trump tells davos, invest in america or get smacked with tariffs. we're going to talk about that with steve moore and david malpass next up. and remember, you can catch" kudlow" monday through friday, 4 p.m. every day right here on fabulous fox business. and if for some reason really you can't get us at four, for heaven sakes, just text your favorite9-year-old, and she will show you how to dvr the show. and you will never miss calvin coolidge's tax cuts. i'm kudlow. be right back. ♪

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>> come make your product in america, and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on earth. but if you don't make your product in america, which is your prerogative, then very simply you will have to pay a tariff. differing amounts, but a tariff which will direct hundreds of billions of dollars and even trillions of dollars into our treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down debt. larry: all right, there you have it, tough talk. let's talk to david malpass, former president of the world bank, former undersecretary of the u.s. treasury, and steve

moore, host of moore money, wabc radio with, co-author of "the trump economic miracle" with art laffer. he laid down the law, steve moore, i'm just saying. and i want the add one thing that i had in the riff, the european union's tariffs are, on average, 50% higher than american tariffs. you know, with bumping your head against a brick wall, i tried in the first term along with lighthizer and many others, so mr. trump laid down the law. you come here, invest in pus, we'll give you a 15% tax rate a, but it you don't, we're going to fight back. what to do you make of it? >> that speech was an economic miracle, larry. i've been waiting 30 years for a president to make that speech and, you know, to look at the impressions on the faces of these your crow bureaucrats was -- euro bureaucrats was a sight to behold. [laughter] they were gasping for air. i didn't agree with everything

in the speech, but i did love the ten of it, that i'm going to do -- the tone of it. i love the idea, he said, look, we're not doing the green new deal anymore, we're not doing the paris climate accord anymore, we're not going to do -- what was janet yellen's thing, the global minimum tax -- larry: yeah. these foreign oecd countries would be able to tax american companies, okay? >> yes. larry: and trump always said this. david malpass, you know, you were the oval. he always said only the american legislature, meaning congress, can tax american businesses. >> right. larry: foreign countries cannot tax american business, and he said it again today. david, hang on one second. i have more tape on tax cuts to davos. hang on one second, here it comes. roll tape, please. >> -- majorities in the house and senate which we also took along with the presidency are going the pass the largest tax cut in american history including massive tax cuts for workers and family and big tax

cuts for domestic producers and manufacturers. we're bringing them down very substantially even from the original trump tax cuts. larry: all right. david malpass, what's interesting is he didn't really mention tax cuts much. the inaugust a ration speech was a very, very good speech, upbeat, optimistic. it wasn't much of an economic speech. but here, as steve moore said, this is just strong economic stuff and tax cuts. what do you make of it, mr. m&a lpass? -- mr. malpass? >> he's laying the groundwork for lower interest rates and lower oil prices. how do you do that? you have tax cuts, you have a stable dollar, you have more production. you do that through regulation that's changing, also through doge. you find a way to cut spending of government and have it work more efficiently. you have financial regulation that's not anti-business. and he said powerful words

today. think of all the things, he's cutting a deal with saudi arabia, get this deal. you produce more oil and invest more in the u.s. larry: right. you get it! >> that's the deal, win-win -- larry: david can malpass, you get it. you get it. [laughter] no, no, that's fabulous. hold on real quick, i want to roll some more tape about interest rates. here it comes. boom, roll it. >> -- and i'll demand that interest rates drop immediately and, likewise, they should be dropping all over the world. interest rates should follow us. larry: steve moore, as m&a lpass, i mean, this is the most brilliant five paragraphs from david malpass in many, many years. so here's the plan. it's a very oil-centric view of inflation, but it's powerful, all right? he's not a monetarist, but it's powerful. saudis and so forth, burgum wants to go to 15, 16 million barrels a day, our new interior,

inflation comes down, interest rates can come down. and if these e.u., davos globalists would just listen for a minute, they could be coordinating with us for better world prosperity, steve. >> yeah. i think you put it well. i mean, the way trump put it was a little confusing because he said we're going to force countries to bring their interest rates down. as with all know -- we all know, it's markets that determine what the interest rate is. i think david put it very well. the reason they call us supply-siders is we want to increase the supply of goods and services, the productive capacity of the country, and that is going to lead to lower inflation, and it is going to lower interest rates. and that will be -- that's another tax cut, by the way -- [laughter] larry: yes. >> -- for the economy when you bring those interest rates down. larry: fabulous stuff. look, we interpret mr. trump. it's what we do. david malpass, i've got to jump. thank you very much for the best five paragraphs. steve moore, thanks very much too. folks, coming up here on

"kudlow," trump says cheaper oil will end the russia-ukraine war, okay? not about interest rate, but end the war. we're going to talk about that with wyoming senator cynthia hum misnext up on "kudlow." ♪

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♪ >> i'm also going to ask saudi arabia and opec to bring down the cost of oil. if the price came down, the russia-ukraine war would end immediately. right now the price is high enough that that war will continue. you've got to bring down the oil price, you're going to end that war. they should have done it long ago. larry: very interesting, going to bring down that oil price, and you can end the war. joining us, wyoming senator cynthia lummis. senator lummis, thank you for coming on, ma'am. what do you think about that? it's a very interesting hypothesis, bring down the oil price, damage -- you know,

russia, it's a one-crop, one-stop, one-horse economy. so you have knocked down prices, you could end the war. what do you think about that? >> oh, i think he's right, larry. so the definition of inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. so the price of oil's up. if we produced more oil, then we'd have more goods, and the price would go down. if the price goes down, our oil is more atrack thive -- attractive, our natural gas is more attractive. and if we can get it over to europe, we can create more opportunities to compete against rush v.a. -- russia. countries that are buying their oil and gas from russia are then funding the war against ukraine. and so we've got to cut off the money that that's going to russia by selling their dirty oil and gas and thereby starve

out the russian economy from funding the war the against ukraine. larry: so if you had, just for arguments sake, brent crude is about $80 a barrel, more or less. i'm going to call it $80 a barrel. west texas, a little less than that. whatever it is, $76, 77. but let's say you produce more. let's say the saudis and opec open the spigots a little bit, and we're going to produce if america right? we're going to -- doug burgum wants to produce, i don't know, 15, 16 million barrels a day. point is, if we cooperate, and we bring oil prices down to $60 or 55, that'll have a crippling effect on russia. i don't think russia would be in the war business because there wouldn't be any money because their product if's not going to be yielding as much. that's essentially what i think mr. trump is saying. >> that is what he's saying. and we need to make sure that the countries in europe that would be buying from us or from if opec know that this is going

to be a long lasting source of cleaner oil and gas. is so they get two things. they get clearance oil and gas as opposed to the dirty russian oil and gas, and they're not if paying russia for a product that then is going to use with -- it's going to use to fund the war in ukraine. so the president's absolutely right. there are only 11 rigs operating in the powder river i basin in wyoming this week, harry. we should is have two or three times that. and so should texas and north dakota. i'm so glad doug burgum has really highlighted this and is going to take the bull by the horns. larry: you know, one other thing, ma'am, is that we need to be -- i don't, i mean, jeff biden stopped the exporting of -- joe biden stopped the exporting of lng and wouldn't let you build any any installations. he did many dumb thing, that was one of the dumbest things he ever did. if we produce and export lng,

clean burning fuel, okay? even the green energy crowd in europe acknowledges it's clean burning. we start selling them tons and tons of l lng, our liquid natural gas, that puts russia out of business also. it's another blow. >> it absolutely does. and then the it creates jobs in the united states. it creates revenue in the united states. so it's building us up while thwarting russia's economy and improving air quality in the process -- larry: right. >> it's a win-win-win, larry. the president's absolutely right on this one. larry: yeah. terrific stuff. senator lummis, i think you're win-win-win. we appreciate your time. great to see you, a ma'am. >> thanks, march erie. larry: you bet. all right. we'll have some fun right here on set. cassie smedile, vice president of communications at coin, have

i got that right? >> you got it. larry: good. and krysia lenzo, visiting fellow at the independent women's forum. i may still be -- i think i'm on the board -- that's heather's group, right? heather higgins? >> yeah. larry: with a thought -- with all that, trump has ended the scourge of dei. no government agencies, no money, no nothing. if you're in that business, you're out of a job if you're in the federal government. and even a lot of corporations are starting to to follow suit. what you think about that? >> i think it's great. everyone keeps saying it, dei is doa, of course. it's not only unfair, but it's also wasteful. we saw this in the biden-harris administration where the department of education spent over $1 billion on dei grants. this is just, again, another part of biden-harris that we no longer want to see because trump wants a her tock a rah city for everyone -- meritocracy. they should be competent -- larry: right. >> and, ultimately, dei is

dangerous because we saw with pilots who are mired to meet quo the thats, it never resulted in anything good. larry: you know, there was a story in the daily caller about this, and i think it was the national institutes of health sponsor ising -- sponsoring all this dei stuff. it was basically transgender stuff. kids, you know, making their own decisions, getting acclimated, walking out of classes in school. i mean, this stuff, it's funny, it's a civil rights issue, but it's a kids' issue and it's a health issue, and i'm glad it's gone. >> i agree with you. and just that one example you cited right there? they were using a little known program -- larry: that's right. >> so it's to opaque and it's done purposefully behind closed doors. just look at the first three days of this administration. how many times have we seen president trump talking in front of the cameras to the american people. and by pausing dei program, effectively getting rid of them but halting hem immediately and saying you've got to state your

purpose, he -- it's a promise made and a promise kept to so many moms, families, americans who are saying, what's going on with our taxpayer dollars? what are you doing in secrecy with our kids to the example that you just cited? but also, this is really, truly the president of the people and for the people getting to work for the people and getting rid of that waste, fraud and abuse that so many of us have been raging about for years. larry: i know. phi different levels of good things that are happening because of that. [laughter] chris shah, bulletin for democrats or other left-wing people, elon musk is not a nazi. okay? i mean, it's so interesting to me how the fringe starts this and they start it on social media, and everybody picks it up. even the august "wall street journal" editorial page came to elon musk's defense today. he may be overexuberant sometimes. nazi, hitler? you know, democrats, it didn't

work for them in the last election, and it's not working for them during the confirmation hearings, and it's not going to to work for the them at all. the public is sick of that. >> it especially didn't work for them when they called donald trump a nazi at a madison square garden -- larry: yes. >> and even the a a dl said elon musk, he's socially awkward. he made an awkward gesture, is so be it. but they always use the line of arguing when they have no policy position. they call everyone a nazi, they use name calling when -- larry: i mean, they had a pictures, by the way, elon concern do somebody posted pictures of lots of prominent democrats include colluding hillary clinton who wave their arms straight out. for heaven sakes, that's all they have. it's just the silliest, stupidest thing in the world. even, what did i see, benjamin netanyahu today defended elon musk and the israeli prime minister's been running that place for about about 20 years. one more. cassie, tulsi gabbard. is tulsi gabbard in trouble in the. >> i mean, the democrats are,

another thing tata they are working is hard to try and make something up, because i do think that they are fearful of her. she's another woman who says what she means, means what she says and isn't afraid to call people out even if they don't like e. we saw that on the debate stage. so i think that's why they're trying to cut her off before she has a chance, because they know once she goes through that nomination process, has a hearing and makes it through committee, that's it. they're trying to use their levers now, but i really do think she should be okay barring is some sort of surprise or blunder -- larry: i gotta tell you, we don't really have any time. [laughter] i don't mind her going to syria. i mean, that's fine -- >> nancy pelosi went to syria. larry: of course she did. that's's what you do, you're on foreign relations or intel. i didn't understand why though she wanted to make a hero out of edward snowden. i just didn't get that. i -- he released a lot of very sensitive information. that doesn't disqualify her and, by the way, it was several years ago. you two are terrific. i'm sorry we don't have more

time. next time we're going to have to give you a bigger block. >> larry and the ladies. larry: ladies' night out is my favorite stuff. thanks to both of you with. appreciate it. all right, folks, coming up, what's next in donald trump's energy renaissance? we're going to talk to montana senator tim tim sheehy about that and some other things as well. i'm kudlow, be right back. ♪ hi, susan! honey? yeah? i respect that, but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin, the only brand with true source certified honey. —hi! —hi! ♪ chocolate fundraiser. ♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪ deposit checks easily

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larry: all right. new news on these trump nominations, cabinet nominations. joining us, montana senator tim sheehy. senator sheehy, welcome, sir. finish -- so cho eture vote, pete pete leg passed it, procedural -- pete hegseth passed it. there'll be a full confirmation vote tomorrow. mitch mcconnell stayed with him. he lost susie collins and lisa murkowski. do you think hegseth will make it on the floor shot, sir? >> yes, i do. he'll make it through. larry: what's the issue right now? he's been up and down and and they tried to smear him. he's not the guy he was 10 or 1 the years ago. i know him very well. he's a brilliant guy. i mean, what's the issues left here? >> well, i mean, you've seen

this movie before, harry, we all have. if you're a prominent if conservative for any office in the land, the democrats have a coordinated smear campaign with their friends in the press. i mean, of course they've been holding on to these new special memos that i was able to read yesterday, you know, behind closed doors in the armed services room and, of course, they've been holding those for a last minute ambush that's been planned all along. they did it to clarence thomas, to brett kavanaugh, they're doing it to pete, they do it to all of us. they don't have policy issues the run on, they resort to this. he's going to make it through. it's going to be tough, but we're going to get it done. larry: you know, you're so right. we were just talking with our political panel about this, how the left and the social media left are all calling elon musk a mass city, you know, because he was waving his arms just like normal people do. i mean, there were pictures of hillary clinton doing it. throughout the nominations, throughout the hearings of the committee, senator sheehy, i watched a lot of it. i watched pete's, i watched

bessent's, i watched others', the democrats, you know, sex smears or alcohol smears or you're a hitler, you're a -- no no issues, no no policy issues. they've learned nothing from november 5th. they are in such a weak position, it seems to me. i've had friends of mine say, you know, i watched the nomination hearings, and the democrats had nothing to say, you know in nothing. >> that's exactly right. and that's why they lost on november a 5th, larry. that is why. they have no message. and their message and you disagree with them, you're a race aist, you're a transphobe, you're a homophobe, you're a xenophobe. that's what they call you when you have constructive policy disagreements, and the american people said, you know what? i want cheaper groceries, i want cheaper gas, a secure border, safe streets. so let's get to to work with common sense policies, and that's exactly what the trump administration's doing with our support. larry: a couple other quickly. john ratcliffe are passed, bipartisan vote. he's going to be cia, i think

that's terrific. how's scott bess e seven going to do, senator sheehy? >> i think he'll be fine as well, you know? of course we're seeing every last minute procedural objection that can possibly be conjured up to slow this down. i think he's going to make it. i think, for the most part, everyone's going to make it through. there's going to be some fights. we know they're gearing up to the fight us on tulsi, whom i know personally. we're going to get her across the line. it's gown to to be a fight, but the next three weeks are going to be very interesting, but we have a lot of work to do, and we've not to get these people in the office a carrying out our agenda. larry: yes, sir. >> as soon as possible. larry: i don't have much time, senator. tulsi gabbard, she gonna make it? if i know she's a supporter. >> she's got my support. we're pushing for her. larry: all right. senator sheehy, you're terrific, sir. thank you for your time. we appreciate it. folks, i'll be right back with my last word.

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