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>> china caught up with the u.s. in ai and before today, nobody heard of the company. >> lower tax rates and the like and will have us ahead of the chinese soon again. the talents there to do it. >> this is a positive thing long term. you're flipping the model. now we'll do it more cost effectively and don't think that nvidia, microsoft, google will roll over now that there's a chinese upstart that's up staged them. it's a national security issue as much as a big tech innovation issue. >> moments like this are stuff that i live for as investor. nvidia is not going away. apple or microsoft. pick your battles and if the trumped a anyone vagues does nothing with the mill -- administration does nothing with the military but turn around the recruitment problems, that's a massive, massive victory. >> threaten someone with a 25% tariff and then they're cooperative in terms of taking their migrants back.
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trump uses leverage and one of the best negotiators i've met in my whole life. stuart: it's a market selloff and mediated a bit and dow industrials down 50 and have been down 300 and s&p down 100 and nasdaq composite down 539 down 2.7%. it's mostly a big tech and ai stock selloff. look at chip makers and that's the heart of the ai business. nvidia is now done $19. taiwan semi, intel, qualcomm, amd all down. big tech mostly lower this morning. not entirely. we do have apple breaking to the upside and 494, 2.2% and the rest of them down. safety of treasuries that raises the price and yield cops down. you're below 460 on the 10-year, investors tend to like that.
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today is suddenly a different kind of day. now this. hard to believe the trump pat seizure disorders is one week old -- presidency is only one week old, so much has changed. sunday, the government of columbia refused to accept return of criminal migrants. trump called him out, take them become or face a immediate 25% tariff on everything you export to america. that ended it. columbia caved and migrants went back. that changed the tariff discussion. wall street journal reports that aids to trump are encouraging him to threaten immediate 25% tariffs on mexico and canada before any negotiation. here's what we're doing, what are you gone to do and give up? that's a much more aggressive tariff policy and only took a week. and this morning, another big change, the president will re-instate the military people that were thrown out because they wouldn't take the covid vaccine and will get full back
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pay. this has everything to do with recruitment, which lagged badly since the pandemic. how many walked away from the military because they didn't want a vaccine that didn't work. nonstop. complete reverse on the border, immigration, foreign policy, secretary of state marco rubio threateddens to put a bounty on taliban leaders if they don't give up american hostages. sounds like a death threat to me. energy, all change. the green new deal going, going, gone. gender, there's only two: male and female. school choice, bring it on. race, dei outlawed, abandoned. the origins of covid, the cia now says it came from the wuhan lab. biden will do anything not to say that. the party failed and this is going for them. onslaught it is and expecting
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policy that remains untouched. today the president meets house gop members and laid down the law and going for that and stay unified and keep the revolution rolling. third hour of varney starts now. stuart: look who's here, mark, the man himself. can trump keep the pace up? >> it's almost unnerving and four years of sleepy 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. presidency from joen and now gone from 0 to 60 under a few seconds and he's set quite a pace. and it'll be something to see. stuart: next one, mark. i want your thoughts and president trump threatened tariffs and other measures after columbia president refused to accept migrant deportation flights and quickly reversed
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course and columbia said we'll accept the flights after all. trump tariff threats worked in columbia. what about the same tariff threats that apparently are about to be leveled at canada and mexico. will is work with them? >> it will and has in the past. trump is send ago message when we send you back your illegal migrants that were in our country, we're not asking. this is not a request for you to accept your own citizens back and there's going to be consequences. trenting mexico and police in the southern boarder and stopping people from coming into their country and up towards our country and deploying tens of thousands of national guard troops to the southern boarder and biden came in and disappeared and so he's effectively wielded this threat of tariffs and people don't want them. it doesn't work. stuart: response from the
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democrats and they're not knowing what they want. >> think about what donald trump survived, mueller probe, impeach wants and the indictments and it's anything more like a marvel superhero with a scene where they're throwing all this smoke and fire coming on us and the smoke is going to enstand there and that's trump, you know, and so they've thrown everything they have at him. so what -- they have nothing left. i think what they do have left and what they should do is try and work with him, it's something they never tried. they could have tie it had eight years ago and things might have turned out differently. like to see them accept the fact he's not an accidental president and now has a popular vote mandate and want to work with him in a popular way.
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if chuck schumer had called him eight years ago at the start of the presidency, and saying don, i want to work with you, he'd have said chuck, come down to oval office and get stuff done. they went into resistance mode and he said not my president. he's a illegitimate president and now eight years later, they have to accept he's not illegitimate and accepted by the american people and they have to work with him. stuart: s&p down 100 over 1.7% and that's a drop for s&p and nasdaq composite close to 3% and jason katz joining us to talk about all this. first of all, jason, this is z is the selloff deep seek and chinese model and people are not
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to jump to conclusions here. >> not going for the competition and i'm hardly surprised that investors are ahead of themselves we valuations and values and switch on the ai nanames and i would be surprised if the administration for that matter has grossly overestimated the required buildout of ai. remember, stu, this is a chinese company that we're talking about and our security and we'll give users a lot of pause. so they're going to be a threat, maybe not as viable as people fear. the good news if they are a threat, the lower costs that result with their technology could result in more demand and wider adoption of ai. stuart: any buying opportunities in big tech or ai as of right
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now? >> don't want to catch a falling knife because you'll cut your hand but pick it up by the handle. maybe nibble at the margins and rates of things play out a little bit and looking at 2-5% pulling back and i would let the news play out a bit in the ensuing days. stuart: i want to hear what big tech says on the calls this week when they report their earnings because i think they're going to have to explain why thornhill tore they're spending so much money to combat what looks like a much cheaper chinese rival. >> these are very bright people well informed and dorothy microsoft was not informed of this a few days ago and i would take the threat at its service and seriously but i'm not so
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sure i would draw too many conclusions here. stuart: what's the new t word in town? it's not transitory. what was the t word? >> the most overword used in the financial lexicon was transitory and the new t words were trump and tariffs and i think investors are getting so obsessed with the tariffs. you have to watch what trump, what he does versus what he says coming back to the earlier query and maybe the fact that trump pushed back on the company and there's stubbornness and symptomatic of what other countries are going to do and i however think there's reversal and demonstrates that trump means what he says and says what he means. he means business so stuart:
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thank you, jason katz. look at movers and we've got to start with app and will definitely unbucking the deep seek selloff and apple is not spending significant money on ai and instead they've chosen to rely on partners like open i and people report earning ands apple reports earnings on thursday of this week and all have to check that out. show me nvidia, elon musk tweeted and deep seek has more access than gpus than originally claimed. that's an interesting idea. staying on deep seek running out of competitive ai model. what does this mean for china's influenced model and going with us for the full story. that's coming up next after this. ♪
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stuart: one chinese startup launched a new ai startup to rival ai and it's called deep seek. raising questions about u.s. dominance in artificial intelligence. madison alworth has been looking at this and first of all, what does deep seek do? madison: absolutely, stu. it's an ai model and corresponding chat bot and narrowed the gap and t the brain child of small group searchers working for a chinese hedge fund manger going to produce and it's on par with openai and going and will even though those companies and going for them with years
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and going to be in for a couple of months with fewer chips. this is an ai model and it can do problem solving and things through the problem essentially. going to be adviser to mark mark andressen said it was one of the most impactful and it's open source. deep seek said training one of its latest models cost 5.6 million. compare to the 100 million that anthropic used last year. as a result, tech stocks dipping today and going in the red and it raised serious questions and american dominance and going for rattling chip st st stocks and deepseek claims around 2,000 nvidia chips to train the v3 model and compare to tens of thousands of chips for u.s. models and questions around
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whether china is underreporting how much money and computing power they're using and skepticism from elon musk said no way they're able to do it with this amount of chips. deepseek's latest model also won't answer military comments and going to tiktok and then it's another issue and the concern is that information use second-degree sent to china. this is a important distinction to get to. because deep seek is open source and it means that developers in the u.s. can use the code in programming and having enough computing power. that means there's a concern with american data with china and biggest concern is the eroding american share of the ai market. we are unseeding u.s. dominance in the -- unceding u.s. dominance in the screen and going to risen in the chart and it's for u.s. foods and going
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for that and accessing more. we are so far ahead of china because of the news and concerns around how much money does it take and we've been investing so much money in infrastructure power and china deep seek going to climb that they've really slashed that and how does that work? stuart: it's fascinating and i don't know how it works. really don't. good stuff. thank you indeed, madison. joining us to cover this and do you see any opportunity to make money here in this market selloff today. >> hey, good morning. stuart, as bobby deniro said in good felled lows, investors will take a beating. walking into a buzz saw and question of the day is to panic or not to panic. the news we learned overnight is very interesting and it could be
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a huge boom for ai in the aggregate and potentially benefits many software and application layer companies and too early to know what's going to happen. stuart: is big tech overvalued in >> i don't think the mag 7 big tech is overvalued and going to look at companies and so much operating leverage cheap cost of capitol and pricing power and going for that psychological possibilities and going for the gap levels and have and have not. stuart: do they have to spend all the money to compete with them and competing with them. why are they spending that money. >> the stocks and energy stocks going down. that might pose a question will the cap x budgets be cut? if so, that capital could be re-deployed or given back to shareholders in the form of stock buy backs or dividends. but it's too early to tell and anything coming out of china
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will be skeptical and deepseek chinese and i dare you to ask about that one and taiwan and you'll get a nonanswer answer back. so we don't know what's going to come from this. >> i would. not race out and catch a falling dagger with stocks like nvidia and investors going to tiptoe into the market and should have a shopping list and i would encourage them to look at buying a big tech fund and etf or broad based etf and you have certain winners today and pointing out with apple up and meta just made a new 52-week high and there's going to be winners and look what happened with netflix and having more users and raising prices and having amazon and imagine the pricing power that amazon has and when amazon prime was introduced at $79 a it's now $139 a year and my wife, my kids
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and instant gratification heroin needle in our arm of amazon packages and having my amazon prime payment and think about the pricing power these companies have and they continue to have massive leverage and cost of capital and not worried about a deep fake. stuart: what they're saying with they make their earning reports and going to keep on spending that and needing to spend that kind of money this week. appreciate it always. first day in office coming up with the commercial order the citizenship. >> we're the only country in the world that does this with birthright, as you know. it's just absolutely ridiculous and we'll see we think we have great grounds and appears i've wanted to do this for decades. stuart: the birthright citizenship pathway has been
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stuart: markets down 70 on the dow, down 114 on s&p and 1.8% and look at nasdaq going with 134 points and 3.18% and now this, lawyers at justice department building their case and temporarily block trump's plan to end birthright citizenship and how long does the judge's order stay in effect? >> well, hey, stuart. about another week and a half till this temporary restraining odder service connected lifted. yesterday jd vance was asked about birthright citizenship on
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face the nation and tended what the administration wants to do. look at this. >> if you come here on vacation and have a baby in american hospital and that baby doesn't become an american citizen and you're an illegal al indian and come here -- alien and does not become an american citizen by virtue of being born on american soil. >> president trump was handed first court loss of second presidency blocking this eo, executive order redefining birthright citizenship and blatantly unconstitutional and 14 day freeze and 22 states sued in separate lawsuits. >> this is step one, the guys from the bench say in his 40 years as a judge, he's never seen something so blatantly unconstitutional, sets the tone for the seriousness of this effort. >> this restraining order set the administration on a likely path to the supreme court house and republicans introduced a
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bill separately to end birthright citizenship and become ago law, that's not enough and it specifically mention in the constitution and it says in the 14th amendment, all persons born are naturalize in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction and citizens of the united states and of the state wherein they reside. the justice department specifically focusing on the six words and suto the jurisdiction thereof hoping that they can take this and get this to the supreme court to potentially see a change. the bottom line is a lot of legal talk here and it'll be complicated and it'll take awhile. perhaps months or longer to see the serious changes here. stuart: david spunt, thank you for joining us. it's national school choice week and president trump announced un-waiverring commitment to school choice and bring in karol markowicz, karol, what's trump doing about it? >> he's doing something different than he did his first
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term and in the first term he was trying to get federal dollars moved to school choice programs and this was a very difficult effort and would require a lot of bureaucracies and a lot of people involved and now simply writing it into tax cuts and going to pass the next few months and it'll say that parents were sending their kids to nongovernment school that will have this kind of tax cut and that make it is far easier and streamlining for parents to get them on the money and child going to get them at the local public school and why should you take the money spent on them at that school and take them to a school of their choice. stuart: got it. president trump's department of education, rolling back biden era dei initiatives. they just eliminated the so-called book ban coordinator position and their jobs are investigating school districts and parents and advising against banning books. what do you make of the changes, karol? >> i love them.
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there's a new sheriff in town and it's a completely different situation now and the last 40 year haves been troubling and the book ban for example coordinator never really got to the bottom of any book bans like in san francisco. they only targeted red areas and looked at what parents were doing and concerned about in their kid's school libraries. we saw actual porn in the school libraries and parents that tried to stop it were called book banners and i love this and love this change. dei was always a bunch of nonsense and trump administration treating it as such is really a big step forward. stuart: karol, i remember you were living in new york city and moved to florida. at the time i believe you moved because of the educational opportunities down there and compared to up here. are you glad you moved in >> so glad. but i would also say it's interesting that florida had these actual really synfuel seizure disorderses in their public schools and so fewer people left the public schools
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even after florida got school choice. you need to see that public school cspan work in some places and parents can make the decision for their kids whether or not to take their children out of those schools. i think that's really the name of the game here that parents should be in charge of what their kids are learning and what kind of school they go to. shouldn't be based on the zip code you live in. stuart: you want the money to follow the child? >> that's the right win back-to-back do it. there's no reason not to do that. that's the correct way that we should be handling our school system and child should get education of parent's choice. stuart: got t karol markowicz, thank you for joining and yous think about moving out of florida, let me know. we'll never believe it. stuart: thank you, karol. see you later. supreme court agreed to take a case about religion in schools and madison, what's the issue? madison: the issue and question is the first publicly funded religious and charter school
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opening in oklahoma and reviewing a oklahoma supreme court decision that invalidated a state board approval of charter school run by the catholic church in oklahoma. a group of oklahoma parents, faith leaders and public education nonprofit sued to block the school citing that under oklahoma law, a charter school is a public school and therefore it must be separate from religion and majority on the supreme court issued several decisions that show an openness to public funds and going to religious entities and going back for the religious school in the u.s. and not seeing decisions come down till this summer. stuart: got t thank you very much indeed, madison. appreciate it. fire cleanup crews in california facing or a big challenge and keeping an eye on batteries and founding electric cars and batteries can explode if they're damaged and take you through the complicated process of cleaning them up. hits keep on coming in southern california and now fears that heavy rainstorm cspan set up
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stuart: a pile of red ink on the left hand side and nasdaq well over 3% and mike lee on the phone. mike, you've been a super bowl. are you still a super bowl on stocks like -- super bull on ai stocks like nvidia. >> the think the market going to have more time and going on what just happened and that's going to be here and it's extraordinarily complex. and through open source going through them helping people how you can build the language
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models and much less fire power from the likes of nvidia and going from the models of bidding this simpler effect and it's if you think of a large language model with the views and it's a ferrari. what you're getting from deepseek is like a toyota camera and they have place on the road and not the same thing and i think the market for ai is the growth of ai and just seeing a founderser and bold and going to jump into the opportunities and buy some more. >> i think you have to and amd reports next week and unless they tell you something is horrible, the stock is probably going to be spectacular and going to be anything about it canceling that and one company that is not affected in any way
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shape or form and it's most likely for a huge positive and my favorite and junior favorite is palantir. the software companies that make the large language models go that take the one the companies are building for the people implemented in the business and going for them just being their adjustable market and going for way to think of what will happen and deep seek is the highway going for that and it's two ways of them and that market going to be bigger and a lot more participant going for them and it's on the rights. stuart: palantir, we'll check it out. palantir, we'll check it out. big money show expanding to two hours and starting at a new time today. 12, noon eastern and jack jim jordan deangeles here with us. what's coming up on the big
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money show today. >> stuart, we're excited and getting bigger from 12-2 and dagen mcdowell on board as well and so excited about that and special guest charles payne and larry kudlow. what we're going to do is start off by getting into a deep dive on deepseek. it's obviously a big market mover for tech and the overall broader markets but there are national security implications here and foreign policy for trump administration as well and we'll dissect the story and a company you've never heard about but need to know about moving forward, stuart. stuart: we'll take it. jackie, thank you very much -- jacqui, thank you very much. heavy rain in california and raising concerns of possibility of mudslides. william la jeunesse, how are you prepared for mudslides? >> you hope for the best and that happens, stuart and the fear going into the weekend and mentioning that it was flash
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flooding through 4:00 today. that didn't happen. we got about 1 inch of rain rather than one inch an hour and fear was in an area like this a burn area where in malibu and take a look at slope and see all the destruction and the fire going through and killing the vegetation and the roots that hold the soil and also creating a thin crust on top of the soil and it's very repelling water and permable if you will. and the fear was if it's going to take the debris literally and carrying it into the ocean and that didn't happen. we had mudslides and all of them and road closures on pch and major concern with the palisades on the bluff and malibu is really down to the high tide and that ash creates runoff and think about your house and having gas and pesticides and rodent killer and going for them
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and that's pollution and the fear is that they're going to seep in the santa monica bay and people in the county are doing water sampling for effects on the ketanji beds and marine -- kelp beds and marine life. >> it burned structures and in the structures there's things like metal piping and cleaning products and there's potentially lead and asbestos and all kinds of things in the buildings that burned. reporter: the last two years we've had record rains and right now most of southern california is in a severe or extreme drought and that was one of the reasons the fire was extreme and 23409 had rain in basically eight months and we have about 98% down of where we should be right now. this 1 inch will help, but by now this year, stu, we should have about 7 inches of rain. we've had about 1. this is a light rain, a good
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thing. a lot of rain, a bad thing. back to you. stuart: william, thank you very much, indeed. president trump signed a new executive order in response to the fires. madison, this has something to do with california water policies. i'm intrigued about that. tell me more. madison: yeah, it tells the u.s. government to override california's water management policies if they're found to be ineffective and orders u.s. bureau of reclamation to deliver more water and hydropower through the central power and there's also manpower behind the executive order orders the white house budget office to seef they can attach conditions on federal aid to the state to make sure they comply with this. governor newsom said that the reservoirs in southern california were in full and fires erupted and no amount of water was contained and 100 miles per hour winds but some of these reservoirs were not protected so when the fires broke out and going to be used
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and fire hydrants in neighborhoods empty and i was out in california for eight days and i was in altadena, talked to neighbors there that went to the fire hydrants and watching neighbor's homes burned slowly creeping towards their own homes and there's no water in the hydrants. nothing for them to do. stuart: now the president is ordering get some water down there. i don't care what your local laws say. get it down this. madison: the most costly wild fire in the nation's history and behind cost is the homes and livelihoods of thousands of people. stuart: i wonder what governor newsom will do about this from trump. we shall see. stuart: what are we talking about? madison: things couldn't get worse and lithium ion batteries and electric vehicles and the problem is that they can explode or ignite if they are damaged or overheated. so this lingering heat that can
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set off a chain reaction and this can happen over the course of dais, months, so really the problem is you don't know. this is a sleeper problem and 12,000 structures burned across the fires and areas like the palisades have a higher than average number of electric vehicles. taxpayers big problem. epa has a battery recovery teen that is supposed to start working today and recover the heavy batteries and neutralize them elsewhere and the problem going about these all soon fighting the fires and they're damaged and even more dangerous and that means there's a ticking time bomb and need to go in and recover to create bigger problems. stuart: it's the downside. madison: i saw this problem when covering hurricanes in florida and they get damaged and heat up and explode. it's very hard to get them very big and hard to neutralize. stuart: madison, thank you very
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much. time to check the dow 30. let's see where we are. strangly enough in a downside market, far more green than red. that's just among the dow 30. looking at leading tech stocks, mostly lower and higher. u.s. and columbia all back from the brink of trade war with the threat of family and redirect migrants and tariffs are the best tool in trump's arsenal and hearing from florida congressman jimenez on that next. ♪
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stuart: president trump threatened tariffs and other measures after columbia's president refused to accept migrant deportation flights and petro quickly reversed course and said columbia will accept them all. republican congressman from florida joining me now. informs a winning strategy about migrants with florida and will it be winning with mexico and canada on trade? >> yeah, i think it will be. and i'm sure there's some other tools in the box and they'll be
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used in order to protect america's interests. for far too long. the previous administration just did not protect america's interests showing strengths. stuart: he does what he says he's going to do and people accept that. like the president of columbia, you don't take the people and you'll get hit with 25% tariffs, immediately they do it. it's powerful stuff. >> the president of columbia decided at 3:30 in the morning they're not going to accept columbian citizens being returned back to columbia and going for 25% and coming down and president trump said okay, we'll hit you with 50% tariffs and he had a minor revolution in columbia and quickly, you know d an a about face and said she'd
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send the columbian military aircraft into the united states to pick up the migrants and take them back to columbia and great, you're saving american taxpayer money and worked out well for the united states and president trump. stuart: kongman, house republicans are kicking off the annual retreat today near miami. the president will attend the event and can he reign in? going to look for unity among house republicans. can he reign in the freedom caucus. caucus? >> if anybody can do it, it's him. i say democrats are dogs and you say sit, they'll sit. they vote in unison and all that. we're more like cats, okay. we're more like cats. so it's tough to put cats, cats when you say sit down, they look at you and meow. it's going to be tough but there's one person that can bring it together is president trump and then the other person
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would be our speaker mike johnson and he's a really good guy, really good person and a strong leader we need to keep our own promises that we'll lower prices and peace through strength and energy dominant and that, you know, we are going to deregulate american businesses and new era and new golden era of america and we need to keep the prosperities and at the end, i think we will. stuart: what's the threat? we're going to have a primary with the first opportunity? is that it? >> that's not a really -- doesn't really work all that well and we all have different districts that we have to represent, and i understand where some folks say i can't vote for this or that and here's what we need to do. you've got to vote with ten reconciliation and not for
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what's in it. vote for what's in it and even though there may be some things in there that you may not particularly like, the whole bill will be something that will be good for america and so while i may not agree with portions of it because of the hole and the direction the bill takes america and the promises we have to keep and the fact we have to show america we have to go. yeah, i'm going to vote for that and that i hope is the message and hope all my colleagues buy into that and going for them in the same direction. this is about america and saying about that and america and the america we need to deliver. stuart: and a golden opportunity. congressman carlos geminies, thank you for joining us and it's -- carlos gimenez, thank you for joining us on this big day. it's monday and trivia question time, good one, when will the first noble peace prizes awarded?
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>> i'm going to go with 31901 you told me that was your answer and you know a lot about nobel prizes, i'm going to cheat and say 1901 because that's what you're going to say. >> i'm going to say 1901 alfred nobel the man who invented dynamite the prize was shared between frederick who founded the peace society and who founded the international red cross that was 1901, thank you very much indeed we will see you tomorrow we are out of time, "the big money show" starts now. >> breaking news this hour on "the big money show" wall street rattled by fears that china has caught up to america on artificial intelligence nvidia leading the selloff down 15% tanking on the news that deepseek has an a.i. model similar to chat gpt bu
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