there's probably evidence they hang 24 there and buyer of the market and sector is tech and consumer discretionary where it's supposed to be. liz: stuart: i suppose this week has been quite dramatic and if you'd still look at it, we're up for the year-to-date. >> there's a lot of moten now and then in the economy and the fed today was a non-seventh look at where they were where the s&p was and liz: was down 54 and everything up off the floor and thank you so much for joining us and that's going to it for us. kudlow is next. larry: hello, folks, welcome to kudlow, i'm larry kudlow. robert f kennedy on the hill and

defending president trump's healthcare reform ageneral dam it it's trump's not kennedy's. senator bernie moreno here to weigh in and senator jim justice weighing in on west virginia drill, baby, drill and it's the ark i data centers and -- ai data centers and alina habba going for them and the federal reserve more worried about tariffs than interest rates and first up fox news live on capitol hill and big day today. >> there's not a lot of support among democrats and the main reason for the fireworks would be on the topic of vaccines and despite past ex-pressos of skepticism and rfk jr. said today he's not anti-anything.

>> news reports claim i'm anti-vax seen or anti--- i'm neither. >> protester yelling ] reporter: that was one of about four outbursts that happened and today's hearing before the senate finance committee and a large budget that hhs has and the services secretary and independent white house and $1 trillion budget and 90,000 agencies and nih, medicare and medicaid services and make america healthy per suit and it's shifting -- pursuit and shifting research away from them and infectious disease toward chronic illness.

>> the the first thing i've done every morning for the past 20 years is get on my knees and pray to god he'd put me in a position to end the chronic disease epidemic and to help america's children. reporter: the hearing lasted three and a half hours and one other thing that democrats did during that time and they tried to bring up the, of abortion. kennedy had past statement where is he was a abortion supporter and wanted to highlight that to republicans once everybody left and lawmakers gave feedback. >> he isn't even completely clear on the difference between medicare and medicaid. >> i understand there's concerns about vaccines and i think bobby put those concerns to bed. reporter: seeing that partisan divide here and rfk will attend another hearing tomorrow and a vote is not expected to continue and it'll take time for that. moving over to the white house,

today president trump signed his first bill in his second term being the laken riley act and that mandates detention for a person in the country illegally and accused of a crime. back to you're welcomes larry. larry: alexandria hoff. thank you very much. president trump will run the hhs department. that's the subject of the rift. >> all eyes ons hearing for the senate finance committee to become secretary of health and human ser services and the leftd right have taken shots at mr. kennedy over his past statements through the years and going to have a conservative editorial page and going for climate change and arguing that he prevent it had all from drilling ail and gas in his days as environmental lawyer and you know what, that may be true.

but it has nothing to do with the duties and responsibilities of hhs. here's where i come out on rfk nomination. i support it. why? because president trump wants him to run it. mr. trump won the election convincingly. he has a right to his own nominees and barring any clear personal legal plans of course. and mr. kennedy said time and again he'll execute mr. trump's policies at hhs. this may be an old fashioned point of view, but that's the way the system is supposed to work. mr. trump won the election and not mr. d kennedy. mr. trump tells him what he wants and mr. kennedy is there to implement mr. trump's vision. things he said years ago and now backed off autism, vaccination and so forth. not important. doesn't matter.

and people do change, give him the benefit of the doubt and b, because he has assured the president that he will carry out the president's policies. one example of that showed up on the hearing of medicaid today. medicaid gotten way too big. 10 million more people today than precovid. total spending has grown giorgini 60% to $963 billion and it's a sum larger than the defense budget. and it's quite likely that mr. trump will restore incentives to work for the able bodied and that includes medicaid, which is supposed to be a poverty program for those that are physically incapable of work. mr. kennedy addressed his desire to reform and reduce medicaid as per president trump's policy and you said it several times during the hearing. here's one of them, take a listen, please. >> our ship is sinking and 60% increase in medicaid over the

past four years and it's the biggest budget line growing faster and it was the highest crime burden of any country in the world and existential threat going for them and it's a priority of president trump and he asked maybe to run the agency and going to be confirmed and that's exactly what i'll do. larry: ask me and if i'm privileged to get confirmed, that's what i'll do. that's how cabinet government should run. by the way, rfk would have smart people around him and fio said it right, he'll be running national institutes of health and marty makary, well known to us on the show and he'll run the drug administration and also

kennedy deciding time and again he wants hhs to be completely transparent, and he wants the agency to be a major provider of health related information. transparency information. by the way, if he can get hospitals and doctors to provide transparent prices for their services, that would be a great leap forward in holding down health costs and making the system more efficient. then finally, i confessed to liking the fact that mr. kennedy is a democrat, a former democrat, in president trump's republican cabinet. there's shotgun about having a kennedy serve under president trump that strikes my fancy. at the end of the day, mr. trump won the election big time and he'll enact his policies using his designated advisers and agency heads. if they don't understand that,

then they will soon be gone. get it? i got it. that's the riff. that's all i got. joining me now, hash through this, we'll probably have some that agree and some that don't. alex marlow, byron york and chief political correspondent at washington examiner and ben domenech, editor and thanks to all of you. alex, i'll begin with you. breitbart has a spivvy front row seat in the press room right now by the way. we're not here to discuss that and it's pretty cool. >> thank you, it was amazing day for and yous nice to get that acknowledgement for the press secretary and old media guard is crumbling and worth thriving in new media and a great moment and the next 20 years will be so

sweet because we're finally going to get balance against the establishment press and favoring folks like us and frankly everyone on the panel today. larry. yeah, the rfk panel today. thumbs up or thumbs down? >> i love it. he's a subtle genius and the way he presented himself today is fantastic and i'll tell you, i come from a family that practices western medicine and my wife is a medical doctor and mentioning that on the show before. we couldn't be more excited about this pick because he is a threat to the bureaucratic establishment. we make a lot of fundamental mistakes in the country when it comes to our health and we just keep doing the same stuff over and over again. we're overmedicated and we're overweight and obese. we don't talk about the right stuff and way people were yelling at him and bernie sanders was yelling at him about a one see that toddler cspan buy on a website for a company he was apart of. it's farce = and they want us --

ffarcical and they wanttous dot same thing and not change. larry: ben domenech? >> i think we've tried a couple of different ways to approach reform within the context of health policy. and the previous atomters have not worked out for republicans and had the opportunity to push for reforms and very much difficult in getting them across the finish line and i was at hhs as political appointee under george w. bush and he was being advanced and i saw firsthand how difficult this can be in terms of all the different people who have their hands in the till then coming to the overall issue of understanding americas health crisis and rfk is a much better messenger than that on the past and going for them and previous administration's nominee going

for this same job who passed the very narrowly the votes for any members of the cabinet. it was someone that had zero experience in health policy and total political hack in javier bbasarra and it's given the implementation of donald trump's policy. >> yeah, that's the thing, byron, i want to come back to that . thank you, ben. look, at end of the day, rfk may be the new secretary of health and human services. that's great. but president trump and by the way, related to that and i can assure you this having worked inside the white house on several occasions in my time, you know, there's a lot of white house advisories weighing in on what hhs should do and basically it's mr. trump that make as policy and not robert kennedy and mr. trump is there and he's

a pro life president and mr. trump wants to downside medicaid and i guarantee he's got other advisers like marty makary and going to help do all this stuff and going for them and that's the trump assault plus executive orders and new nominations and the fact is that it's trump policies and what did rfk do today and he pledge that had he would file mr. trump's policies and he was explicit about that. >> he did it quite well and going to be effective coming to talk about chronic disease and the chronic disease situations of a very, very long time and he's a very flawed character in many ways but he was really, i think, quite compelling when he talked about this and mentioning this was what i was going to sense of aloha say and really

striking about this hearing was the almost desperate desire of a number of democrats to bring rfk down in any way possible. the caroline kennedy message that came hours before the hearing. new scandal reporting that came out hours before the hearing and all had the kind of classic marks of a hit job and a party that's absolutely desperate. going to bring him down and why is that going to be all about vaccines and going for them to hate some kennedys with his name and as being that for the democratic party. larry: that's the part i like the most actually. i like the part of trump going into the cabinet and you're young kids and going for them and never seen such a thing as

this. two democrats in the cabinet and it's been a long time. really ironically now i think about it. they've written the book and others written these books and he's got self-assessments republicans robert macula merri bowl ragaini and he was a republican also and i'm just saying it is very interesting to me and bigger picture. step back and look at politics and the democrat haves lost their minds in the last week. remember when we were kids or when i was a kid, it's a little different and cartoons and the figure, the stick figure and walks out and head spins around and listens one way and spins the other way. the democrats are in a head spinning mode. they don't know what to do about president trump or his executive

orders or pete hegseth or any of the above, alex, they're crazed and don't know what to co. they have no coherent response and saw it again today. you saw how crazed via hearing. >> yeah, well, they have one move and that's to climate i learned something today and i thought i knew a lot about robert kennedy and i care about some stuff and i didn't realize that the whole origin of the thought that he's anti-vax at a blanket level out of context clip and going to cut off and said there's no vax he supports for everyone and that's the exact sort of nuance we need in the discussion and based on a lie and i wasn't aware of where the origin was today and watching the hearing. that's why he was shouted down and they're barking at him and making it sound like an outrage. it's not an outrage to back a kennedy that's spent his entire life thinking about the issues and just reveals every single

digits strategy play they've got and maybe one and they try to lie, cheat and steal. >> you saw that particularly in the line of questioning from senator warren. liz warren came onto scene being someone that was an open critic of corporate america. log stand up for cons cons consd little guys and seeing her on cap holohill and big recipients of big pharma over the years and going out there and going after kennedy saying, will you commit to not take money from the drug companies and he obviously laughing saying i don't think there's anybody that wants to give you that money. then obviously going after him when it came to suing drug companies. when did the democrat company be in the party of big pharma and going for them to automatically believe. i think in this moment the

skepticism that rfk offers is something that the american people want to hear. the kind of transparency going to have policy and we hope to see them. larry: that's a very important point. i would say i was watching on and off all morning long and a friend of mine, mark warner, senator mark warner going to be here and he's a good guy and i worked with him on intelligence excite tee and raising voice and yelling at robert f. kennedy jr. and some things relaxed and take it easy and you'll need health advice. thanks to all of you. coming up, secretary nominee emphasized importance of tariffs to create reciprocity in his confirmation hearing and he also seems to suggest they'll be no 25% tariff on saturday for

mexico and canada. which could be a very important tidbit. anyway, ohio senator bernie plano is here and -- bernie moreno here on fabulous fox business. if you can't get us at 4:00, for some reason please just text your favorite 9-year-old. she'll show you how to dvr the show. you'll never miss a health lecture from robert f. kennedy jr. or something lake that. i'm kudlow, stick around. ♪

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>> shut your border and stop allowing fentanyl into our country killing our people so this is a separate tariff riff to create action from mexico and canada and they're acting swiftly and if they executed, there'll be no tariff. >> that's such a important point and mr. trump, master tariff diplomacy and never materialize because people take action and anyway, joining us now to talk about this ohio senator bernie moreno and member of the senate commerce committee there at

howard lutnick hearing and thank you, sir. we appreciate it very much. i wanted to start with this because after all, mr. trump said several times he could go to 25% with canada and mexico on february 1, which is saturday. just a couple of days from now and looking for clues and sounded like howard lutnick today actually karoline leavitt in the press room yesterday that mexico and canada are helping us to close the border. now, how did you see in the hearing and what can you add to that from my friend howard lutnick? what do you think about the february 1 deadline? >> well, first of all, let me say howard lutnick did an incredible job and wowed the economy community and showed true character and this guy is an american success story and living the american dream and serving his country. in terms of mexico and cannaday, look at border crossings.

they're al all time low and mexico stepped and you happen canada too and getting border crossings down to near see row and ha happens and president trump looks at that and going right with biden getting it done in four years. border crossings going 14, 15,000 and numbers we never thought were possible so his diplomacy works and i think the question is what happens long term. not having mexico and canada treating us unfairly in the labor industry and going to have 4 million cars in mexico and canada and they're sold here in the united states and that's a big difference for the country. president trump will get us there. laxer reigns leading: request that president trump either redo or reform something the usmca deal. you know, it's quite painful

when completed back in 2018 or 2019 and we worked on that bob white heiser going for that and mca. >> more importantly he needs to make changes and going to take advantage of and yous mexico certainly does. in ohio, which i care a lot about for obvious reasons, we've continued to see our industrial base decimated and we've got republic steel that got shut down and brand new one built in mexico and steel is now being shipped into the country tariff free. we can't allow those kind of conditions to exist and we want reciprocal fair trade and going to assist on it. larry: he wants reciprocity and taxing us and going to tax them. if you stop taxing us and going to tax them. howard lutnick said that and

gleaning on him from them today and about what mr. trump calls ring around the collar tariffs and just universal baseline of 10% or 20% or anything like that and hearing about that from howard lutnick? >> well, the president has been clear and hurt made it even more clear he works at pleasure of the president. his job is to execute president trump's agenda and i think the president has been clear we're going to have some sort of baseline tariffs that are across the border. you have to make certain we protect american j jobs and protect american manufacturing and economic and snagsal security reasons and especially around the auto industry. lauren: i'm in favor of it. i never met president william mckinnley and just missed him in the historical time line. one thing i like about the universal tariffs, gives trump a lot of negotiating flexibility and waiving money. the 10% or 500 billion and could

be a trillion. that could pay for tax cuts to make america and american workers more competitive and wealthier and happen jerkins and the blue collar boom we want. >> you're exactly right. that's exactly the message that president trump has been providing. look, mckinnley from ohio. he was renamed mount mckinnley accordingly. we love president mckinnley and president trump will take that on and funding the ex-to ordinary revenue service and going to wreak havoc on them and not american companies and going to rip us off. larry: senator bernie moreno going for them and it's in 19th century hit and will going for them and going for the big

stuff. thank you, sir, we appreciate it very much. coming up on kudlow, why does the federal reserve panicking about trump tariff s? more worried about tariffs than interest rates. dan clifton and john carney weighing in on next. it was a fed day and not much happened and left rates unchanged. this tariff thing, they've got to figure it out. i'm kudlow, we'll be right back. turning into their parents , the neighborhood is their life. wonder who's visiting the burkes. that's not their car. hey, guys. who's winning? [ giggles ] now most of the neighborhood uses progressive -for their cars and house. -okay. she didn't ask. ohhhh! [ sighs ] progressive can't save you from becoming your parents. but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto with us. here he comes...like clockwork. [ giggles ]

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larra rhode islander the fed is more worried about trump tariffs than interest rates and money supply. they're panicking with trump tariffs and we've got to talk about it. today was fed day and they're not doing is on the interest rate front and jan cliff ton anf them and breitbart economics editor and coauthor of the daily breitbart business digest. thank you. dan clifton, reading your report

and back to 2018, fed may make the exact same mistakes and going to end by the way. the staff and whoever governors and what was the number? 90%, over 80% donated money to democrats so just want to remind people that. now, your point is i think john has the fed crazed about tariffs and it's going to be inflationary like in 2018 or 2019 and that raised rates and really damaged the trump coming boom. what do you make of this, dan clifton. >> you know better than anybody in the white house and this is the massive pro growth at end of 2017 and small tariffs on china and fed got worried and this is inflationary going for the company in the tariffs and they made a decision to keep rates

high and elevated throughout all of 2018. what they did about this and boom, december of 2018 comes with the s&p 50 and falls 20% in the month of december and then forced a cut. trump was right and that's okay. people make mistakes and don't get everything right. literally using the same logic today to justify higher interest rates now. they were all about cutting rates in september. today they're all about whoa the inflation. the inflation is not moderating down and worried about tariffs. ilarra rimple the fed's staff,

washington staff and three or four hundred commas and trump is not a good president and they're not trampers, they're anti-trampers and they think -- anti-tram trumpers and they're g to point out as we discussed and going for them and it worrisome and fed spokesperson and wall street journal and he was writing columns about the fed's fear of tariffs and he's always leading indicator and look at his stories and he never seems to mention conservatives and public and anti-trumpers and do you see or worried and dot fed just do what they're supposed to do, john carney? wait, wait, do nothing till the trump plan is past and implemented.

>> very interesting game and "the wall street journal" printed his story and clear he meant to say the fed is very worried about inflation from the tariffs but today in his press conference, powell took a very different stance and absolutely refused to hit back attar riffs. not going to talk about tariffs. getting back into the fed's lane where you should be controlling inflation. not talking about what the proper trade policy of the united states is. larry: look, i don't believe

this tariff of whatever jay powell may or may not have said and the tariff history isn't over. you've got a lot of economists in the board whispering in his ear. there's nothing to report about yet. trump threatening columbia on accepting deported criminals and didn't get to 25 or 50% tariffs and trump's tariff diplomacy and going with them and it's going today in the con turnovers and mission secretary and what the press room said and the press secretary said yesterday. sounds like canada and mexico are helping us efficiently u.s. government on the border. we won't get those 25% tariffs either and the instinct that people that are crazed about tariffs don't understand trump

we don't get the kind of tariff hikes that everyone is talking a.c. jot threat of tariffs are not real if people think it's a threat. i think president trump will use those tariffs if he's not getting what he wants. whether that's in mexico or china or wherever it's going to be. the key is this plan and we may do tariffs and may do a 15% corporate domestic rate cut at the same time. you know that and does that change your equation overall? fed should not be in this business of trying to do that and what they're doing is taking all the bad, it's a tighter immigration and the tariff and they're not looking at the good, the construction of the lng export terms and the energy renaissance that's coming and

the pro growth tax cuts and if you're only focused on bad, you'll get monetary policy wrong. that's going for the lesson of 2018 and unfortunately much of the news from the fed sin the election has been following that path and the rhetoric may have changed and that's the good thing and action speaks louder than words. larry: i'll take a 15% tariff and going with proceeds into a 15% tax ret rate on businesses d put it at 15% capital gains tax here and 15rbgs 15rbgs 15. >> if we had tariffs in place generating revenues, we could almost eliminate the corporate tax all together. can you imagine how great that would be for american businesses? larra rhode islander that's hot stuff. >> if we brought that down, 15% might be a good starting place

and go lower and aim for the best and get that tax rate as far down as we can. trump loved mckinnley and loved bringing up -- generating real revenue. lauren: i got to run. thank you both. thanks ever so much. folks, joining us now, alina habba, counselor to the president and going to see them put ago freeze on the green new deal and climate change and the misnamed inflation reduction act and dei. people going back and forth and having the right answer and i read the press office reports and not the press reports but the pressoous ratters and it sounds like mr. tram subpoena steeking to his guns and going to put a freeze on it and going to wind up cutting a lot of that

stuff out and you tell me. >> that's going with the freeze and despite that omb putting out memo, there's a freeze and the reason is very clear. on november 5, there was a mandate we didn't want to have irresponsible spending with american taxpayer dollars and that is what the last administration and we're looking at how they're misspending and how they do so you have to pause. you do not give up and say keep on spending money on the credit card and we're bankrupt and can't pay the bill. we need to do that and president trump is not changing his philosophy on that as you know he's put doge in place exactly for that and we've stopped dei proprograms and the green new dl for the example and making changes very quickly and that can be confusing for people and hard for some other than you to

keep up with. it is what it is. we're not hurting individuals and that's part of the narrative they're spinning. larry: going to see them starting in the first place and is i grow weary and the judges elected to nothing and president trump was elected to his office by a considerable majority and you get these judges that try to come in and interfere with policy. it's really a -- i think it's a bad legal precedent. i just can't stand it. this judge in washington dc. who do they think they are? who do they think they are for heaven's sakes. >> they have a platform for politics and they're using it. they use the trump name to piggy back on him and doing the same

thing and came back again and working with chuck over here and trying to make noise about this and going with the place for it and america voting for our administration and america didn't just vote every state we swept and spoke very loudly that people like them are not welcome here and those divisive behaviors not getting behind what america wants and going to do that and they're to the welcome here anymore. we didn't want that america didn't want it. they said that very loudly and i a agree with you. they're probably using their positions to make a statement, a headline or maybe get their next job in politics and going to have no place for it. larra: you really should come around more. >> i'm not in court so i'm around more. lab reigns leading: fabulous news. larry: jim justice telling us

about drill, baby, drill in west virginia and maybe cashing in on some of this artificial intelligence stuff that may power the economy. he'll bop next to talk about it. [ car engine revving ]

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it larry: welcome to the show. senator jim justice of great state of west virginia. senator justice, thank you, sir. drill, baby, drill in west virginia and i want to ask you about coal. i was close to coal ceos on another network and i know they were talking clean coal. scruscruscrubbers and sequestrao bring the carbon down and how is west virginia going to play in the coal space with drill, baby, drill opening it up? >> larry, i thank you for having me. one thing you can count on about west virginia and count on about me, i'm an energy guy. west virginia knows energy and as we've moved forward and everything, we've had advances in the coal side beyond belief. that's all there is to it. whether it be the knocks issues or scrubbers issues and whatever it may b. absolutely what

happened is just simply this. you know, we grew coal production in the trump early years and taken by 20 then 10 then 10 then all of a sudden covid hit. and the whole world shut down. then absolutely coal has a real place at the table. i'm a believe all the energy forms and president trump and i are aligned whole heartedly in that and going forward, we've got to embrace all the energy forms but anybody that absolutely believes we can do without facile fuels today in my opinion is living in a cave. larry: yeah, proven protect on that one, senator, no question. >> data centers cropping up in northern virginia. larry: west virginia is more pro business state and i understand it and you were the governor for quite some time. can you get those ai data ce centers to west virginia going to be more welcomed than what's

going on in northern virginia? >> no question get them to west virginia and they'll be more welcomed and absolutely going with ease like you can't even imagine. larry, we've got to have more power. there's all there is to it and west virginia's power is cheap and absolutely, if we don't watch out, we'll spin around a couple of times and we'll have to choose between homes and jobs and that's all there is to it. it'll be one of the two, homes or jobs and going a year and a half down the road, not doing grid or infrastructure we'll be in big trouble. larry: i think president trump isen o the right track and deregulating energy once again and fossil fuels and ai stuff is very serious and going to be challenging them for the days and i'm sure you're well aware. these state haves to compete for the good new modern business.

they've got to compete and i don't know how they were doing and talking to the governor of virginia periodically and going with west virginia under your leadership and others. they've become very pro business. >> there's no question about it, larry. all that being said and even mra state winner and now it's a war state. all that being said and we welcome our data centers and we absolutely have the cheap power. the power is the key to everything here. as we go forward and everything, we'll be a big player with the ai and with their data centers. larry: theodore roosevelt stuff. senator jim justice, pleasure to meet you if only on the air. hope to talk to you soon. folks, i'll be right back with my last word. ♪

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♪ larry: please, rest assured rfk jr. will implement president trump's health care reform policies at hhs. that that's what he will do. and i think it'll be wide open, transparent, right in health care information will be out there. he's very big on that. we could use the that. and curb some of the spending problems. and anyway, it's nice to have a kennedy in the trump cabinet. just saying. and, by the way, it's nice to have liz macdonald -- elizabeth: oh, thank you, larry. we've got breaking news coming