dow down 119 and s&p 50 down 46 and nasdaq down 240 points and again, stay with larry kudlow and he'll have so much more and going for the call if trudeau. that's next. larry: hello, folks. welcome to kudlow. i'm larry kudlow. so president trump paused his tariffs for one month after the president of mexico agreed to send 10,000 troops to the border. how about that? plenty to talk about with john carney and david mall pastrami

and doug burgum waiting if the wings and talk about oil prices and natural gas and is the unitd states acting in the panama canal, first up is very own edward lawrence live at white house. edward, i'm governer of canada, governor of the 51st state, did he weigh in? reporter: trudeau weighed in but not after the second phone call and president trump off the phone call for the second time with canadian prime minister justin trudeau. we don't know the results of the phone call yet as the president just entered the east room of the white house to talk with the florida panthers. they won the stanley cup there and seeing the art of the deal play out in realtime here in public. it's the second time that the two talked, prime minister of canada and president trump. he talked in oval office

comploffice abouthis move on ta. >> you'll see either very, very substantial tariffs paid by them or they're going to make some kind of a deal. reporter: mexico pledging 10,000 national guard troops to the northern border and engagement at highest levels about security and trade. 25% tariffs postponed for one month and no deal with canada and the u.s. is a good partner economically as well as has other priorities in common and expects that to continue. >> i know they spoke both about the boarder and trade. i expect that they'll continue that conversation when they speak later this afternoon. and i'm certainly hopeful we'll find a pathway here that will be a win win pathway for the united states of america and canada. reporter: administration stressing the tariffs are about stopping illegal drugs and illegal migration, not a trade

war. >> president trump is using tariffs to get the cooperation of the countries to stop the flow of fentanyl killing 100,000 americans annually. china is off in the distance a bit. larry: edward lawrence, thanks ever so much. folks, tarp riff diplomacy means crank up the trump tax cuts right now. that's the sixty of the riff. one thing we've learned about president donald trump's tariff diplomacy is he's very serious and felt he is not bluffing. he did offer mexico president sheinbaum a 30 day pause in the 25% tariff, that's because at the last moment, she came in with a proposal to put 10,000

troops on the border to stop illegal immigration and curb the flow of fentanyl and other deadly drugs. in a month, we'll see. let me assure you mr. trump w was -- both national and economic security. here's a related thought. mr. trump's aggressive use of tariffs bringing republican congress great incentive to get the tax cuts passed, now right away. both the 2017 tax cut extension and some of the new trump 2.0 tax cuts like the 15% corporate tax, tax free times for service workers and overtime pay in seniors, remember. one of the really good arguments posed by the president was that tariffs would generate revenues and revenues could finance tax cuts. the 10% universal baseline that

i strongly favor would of course allow mr. tram top seek reciprocity in bilateral negotiations. but it could also provide something like 500 billion, give-over take, to finance domestic tax cuts here at home. in effect regarding the rest of the world, tax us and then we'll tax you right back. our tax take given right back to our own businesses and blue collar working families. then in the spirit of reciprocity, if you stop taxing us, where'll tax you and mexico is a tougher case and basically a narco state and china exported for raw materials and cartels put them all together in the hideous drug factories and cartels into the u.s.. that's awful. mr. tram subpoena more than willing to tariff mexico till

the end of their days until they stop allowing this. china is investing in mexican factories so they can export their cheap goods and labor into the north american free trade zone called usmca but that's illite. who can tell if the tariff truths between mr. trump and mse longer than a month? once again, my simple message to republican and republican senate and house members: please crank up those tax cuts into one big beautiful bill to be finished this spring and help launch the trump golden era blue collar boom. and that is the riff. all right.

and former white house economist for the national economic council and what's the name of your current bank? >> snbc bank and ecosecurities. larry: there we go. went right by me on the prompt terrific and had to ask for help. >> this is all star cast. larry: unbelievable. >> doesn't get any better than this. larry: john carney, i think mr. trump was absolutely serious and ready to pull the trigger boom boom boom. no question about that. but one of the implications to me is going back to one of the original thoughts which is, okay, we'll tax you because you're taxing us, but we're going to take that money and give it back to corporations, small business, families in the form of tax cuts.

i'm just saying let's not forget the tax cut lesson that's a part of the tariff lesson. donald trump showing he's not bluffing and this was not a bluff and this was donald trump saying that the tariffs are coming on mexico stepping up and giving us time and working this out and trump said going to make it going to be happy with it. haven't heard about canada and may get a demonstration that donald trump is serious and they'll cave. i think we may hear relatively soon.

>> if he doesn't produce something good the way sheinbaum did and 10,000 troops may not be the end point and it's a important point and trump go ahead and put 25% staff reigns leading on him. >> it would be a very good demonstration for him to say to the rest of the world, i am not bluffing when i come to you with tariffs, they're going on unless you comply with u.s. policy. >> @ narco terrorism and fentanyl killing driving mr. trump faster than perhaps he might have thought a while back. that's my speculation. in any event, there's no problem with the tariff diplomacy but i don't want to lose s sight of je

versus frequency cal tariff going out and value added taxes around the world and sales tax and we could sales tax people that would tax us too much abroad and jot economics of it and john's right to have enough of u.s. business be strong and trump is doing a lot in those areas and i'd like to see those accelerated right alongside what's going on on the trade front and that is a deep -- de-banking that the bank haves been doing and regulatory r policy and fed could allow having different policies and doge and reconciliation bill and the point i'm making is that

there's this garage deal made in the house for a strong coalition to get the tax cuts. i want to end the tax cuts are really critical and they're part of all of the deal being worked together. larry: that's why it's not inflationary and it'll be pro growth. basically the conclusion as i understand it and you're not the only one but my favorite one. the conclusion is you could have a one time transitory blip of half a percent or less what we call 40 basis points wall street jar began, one time jargin. that's what they're talking about. >> most economists are agreeing that money is everywhere and monetary and having a credit

phenomenon and aggressive fiscal spending not needed and after the v shape recovery began in middle of 2020 when the economy opened, and the fed monetized it. just good old fashioned money printing. tariffs are not inflationary and interesting that i listen to a lot of economists talk and left of sentser and somehow all the tariffs are inflation. they're not, it's a price level adjustment. larry: that's all it is. if the spend or print, there's no persistent inflation from tariff is and the china experiment or china tariffs. onto joe's point, this is wo wonderful. i'm watching wall street journal, larry summers, former treasury secretary and kentucky republican rand paul, friend of mine. fine. people that are not afraid of tariffs and don't think they'd have taken any economic harm.

ready for this? art laffer larry kudlow, kevin warsh, stanley drukenmiller, jamie dimon, dan loav. kyle bask. a lot of people not living in left wing circles are not worried about this, would like to track down drugs as much as possible. whatever the cost. , and half a percentage point for a few months is a nothing berger. >> the fed staff came up with the same thing in 2018. larry: what did they say? >> tariffs are one off price adjustments. >> chris lawler said that too. one time small move in prices, maybe, and certain prices and not inflationary long term. i was looking at charts that showed the impact of these

tariffs on mexico and canada would have been significant even without retaliation and would have mattered a lot to them. larry: to them. to them. of course it would. but their currencies have nose dived. >> absolutely. larry: that's high inflation. our currency, the dollar, gone up and no inflation. >> the hit to growth is the same. devastating to mexico, which is why they came very quickly. very bad for canada, but at most just a tiny half to a quarter percentage point off u.s. growth. worst case. larry: let me play the trump tape and probably should have beginning of the show. here comes the trump tame on his decision today. news conference today. >> so the, call with mexico went very well in the sense that they're very strong on the boarder and putting soldiers this. actually, their best military soldiers and they're going to be at the border, 10,000 and felt the 10,000

soldiers going to keep illegal aliens out and they're going to keep them out seriously out and otherwise a big penalty and mexico penalizing and going to come through mexico anymore and not going to let the fentanyl come through from china and chai gnat not going to spend us fentanyl and if not, the tariffs going substantially higher. larry: there you go, david malpass, he's put china on warning and mexico -- he's put everyone on warning. i read down this list and did it for the show, for the big money show when i was on. there's guys like noneconomists but very sophisticated hedge fund managers: kyle bass, dan loav, jamie dimon. he told people stop obsessing about tariffs. these are not crazy pro trump

people. they're saying in order to stop the scourge of fentanyl and other drugs, in order to try and stop the narco state that mexico has become, if we have to put down tariffs, so be it because the cost is very low and temporary. i just find that i find it very reassuring and full of common sense. >> china will be a really tough negotiation and i find it really important that the u.s. says we'll have markets abroad and we want to find a way that other countries can grow too and brings me back to the feds to do that. high for long and willing to negotiate on that and real

pressure is high for long and ain't survive that and that's where we've got to find production. larry: the fed cannot ease. >> it's not a fed issue. it's a production issue. larry: so cut taxes and deregulate. i want your message square. >> that can be done. larry: that's why i'm saying to republicans in the senate and house. get going. one big beautiful bill. he'll cut -- he's going to impose tariffs one way or another and i happen to think he's right. i do. mitigate and put that to work. what's wrong with that? >> nothing, i think about how to raise national saving ands potential great savings from doge and combined with increased production that dave was talking about and that's how you get a more balanced economy and more domestic production and income, lower consumption and it's a win/win. larry: if you were going to

address the house and senate conference, two of them together and bunch of republican in one room, be really a scary thought. wouldn't you say boys and girls get moving on the tax cuts? >> absolutely. you need to cut taxes because the first thing that tariffs do is squeeze the margins of producers and we need to offset that by saying people will say you guys are going to bear the cost of tariffs. not if it's offset with tax cuts and make it a pro growth tariff because it pays for tax cuts we're getting. larry: by the way, joe, did you read about elon musk on the front page today? he's serious about cutting spending. donald trump is serious about cutting spending. >> one thing to add to what john was saying and that is it's not just offsetting u.s. domestic producers and also encouraging others to come to the u.s.. they'll get tariffs and pro business deregulation. larry: winning pro growth for

capital. i think i have to get out. >> we need a negotiation in house and senate to get everybody on board with all this. we need energy and reconciliation bill and tax bill, and that means playing negotiation with all the members at the same time, and i think that doge has to be part of that. everybody is getting something out of this. larry: i have a name for it. one, big, beautiful bill. they need it done by this spring. thank you, gentlemen, for the work. what was it? 20, 50 basis point s? >> 32 to be specific. larry: 32 basis points, a third of percentage points for a third of the time and everybody is belly aching about that. coming up, folks, mr. trump's bid for more oil could be a hard sell. front page of wall street journal if they know anything. i don't know. we'll talk about it with brand new interior secretary, my

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could be a big sell. we have the new interior sec tourist, former north dakota governor doug burgum. nice feel to it and ring to it. secretary burgum. alike that a lot. congratulation point number one. point number two. "the wall street journal" headline. the oil companies are not going to produce more oil. that's how i understood the article. >> looking at president trump and wins he's had in his first two weeks in office and take a

look at columbia folding, mexico folding, and this is the guy that wrote the art of the deal 30+ years ago and learned a lot in the last 30 years and you know him well. in the united states, we've got some of the highest regulatory costs and that's gone up under climate extremism under biden. when we start tearing down those regulatory rules and never getting drilling permits and the department has 25% of production on the country and joe biden not going for the first person and first president since harry trump-era man not issue -- truman not issuing per mattes ms and it's against the law and lower cost production and cutting red tape and global

multinational saying we're getting into electric production for the gas and we've got oil company saying we're going for electricity going for that country and going for them and we can't build a pipeline under joe biden is time of russian invasion in crew yanis, we were off loading 400,000 barrels of dirty russian heating oil into new england so people in new hampshire and maine could heat their home withs heating oil. under president trump, he believes that every american ought to be able to use clean natural gas and to heat their homes and see demand up and more. larry: west tex about $70 and lot of people think you need to get oil down and i'm going to say it's called $55, and that would hurt russia in the war

against ukraine. that would hurt iran in all the middle east tar resistance wars and wouldn't help china much but just saying can oil companies make money? can the frackers and independents and the ma majors former governor of north dakota and live with him up there and $5 o 0*, can they make money and bringing inflation down and interest rates way down and that's what mr. trump really wants, 50, $55. can they make money there? >> well, nobody should underestimate the shell revolution and entrepreneurs driving that because during the last price war guys that are still running those businesses, they found out how to increase the productivity per well and lowered their break even cost to become more profitable and we've got to hep them and joe biden going with regular laces and in commodities, there's a price of

oil and transportation. and we get pipelines built and generate electricity and data on site and manufacture intelligence and then move that product around through a fiberoptic cable and we've got a opportunity to do consumption near doing production and going for the margins and profitability on the bottom and cost out of transportation and we can take cost out of production and because of the regulatory side, there's going to be very -- a lot of profits made in the industry going forward. larry: last one, mr. secretary. you can -- correct me if i'm wrong, you can drill and excavate for natural gas without going for oil and natural gas, clean burning fuel, we have enough for the next 500 years or

whatever maybe longer and power the ai revolution and power the country and inexpensive last time i looked and about $3 gotten lower and about $2 and it's clean burning and so forth and so on. by the way, if we sell lng to europe, they'll stop buying russian natural gas and russian oil, which would be another plus. can you drill natural gas itself and sell it like i'll get out around the world. last one? >> yes, we can and we should never forget about alaska, alaska is just a massive resource of natural gas. we've got a opportunity with japan, philippines, south korea and signing 20 year off takes and displacing them buying oil from the mideast and bringing

peace abroad and process terrificty at home and donald trump will be win ago noble peace prize when we're done with this. larry: you got it. secretary doug burgum, terrific stuff and thank you for coming back on. coming up where there's mischief, there's china. everywhere there's mischief, there's china. absolutely incredit card and will talking about it with senator i'm kudlow and we'll be right back. ♪

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i read with great interest and secretary of state rubio going down to panama and he's pro american and friend of ours. and he's going to stop a construction contract with china, okay. something that was going to phase in and he's not going to do it. i don't know that that answered the question. reason i wanted to talk to you, senator. they're controlling the two ports and one in atlantic and one in the pacific, and there was testimony before the senate commerce committee by pretty smart lawyers saying china broken neutrality act and if we wanted to, the united states could have the capacity to act in the canal zone under the law itself. and i wonder what you're thinking about that? >> it's a real sure enough war broke out and do you think we would hesitate to utilize the panama canal. it would be an extreme situation

but it would call for an extreme measure and i also heard and honestly going to move fast today and you're not sure about it and going for the lock and it's going for theme these being reduced or eliminated and i don't know what you've heard about that and also going to be very noter gnat and would save the united states a lot of money. but the point the tariffs went in and panama president acting quickly in a way that indicates they want to deal with this president and this administration and they think it's in our mutual benefit. i applaud that and it worked quicker than most people thought. larry: senator, if in fact china will remove, i mean, there's old hong kong company and the

communist chinese government going for them and positions that are running the docks and end locks in the pacific and atlantic, that would be a big thing. basically panama operating and foreign relations are prohibited and some saying that there's foreign security violating neutrality and going to be a breakthrough. what i heard this morning was not bad and not all that break. >> congress a year or so ago and told the chinese congress or whatever their legislative body is he wanted to be ready to retake the island of taiwan by the year 2027 and they're

building up a war machine and prewar footing and there's there's going for them and we want to view dealings with china in light after that fact and also there is industrial capacity on this and any dealing that we have with chai ought to be done and decisions made in light of the very real fact they're preparing for war in the indo pacific and we need to going for that treely. larry: to that point, you can go look, anywhere around the world

where there's mischief and there's china and mentioning 100% and here in the western home games is fear. they're in the panama canal and they're in cuba and venezuela and they're running through bra silicon-based and south america and the strategic shipping lanes and as they well know and they're selling drugs in mexico and it's importing cheap goods on usmca and middle east helping around and ukraine, russia, my lord they're buying it all to finance that war too. every single place, senator wicker, there's chinese where there's mischief. >> they're in league with iran like never before and with north korea and never before and

shipping arms and helping to provide personnel for russia and ukraine and they're a bad actor and they're a call arnett the world and going for foreign policies going to be doing everything we can to combat them and prevent them and it's strong enough. and our ability turnovers and weapons and machinery so they don't try any foolish. larry: appreciate you coming on, sir. appreciate your thoughts very much, sir. all right, folks, breaking news. canada got mexico treatment, 10,000 troops to the border. producers put it in my ear. yes, governor trudeau -- excuse

me, prime minister trudeau, who was a lame duck, putting 10,000 troops on the border and just as president sheinbaum has and isn't that interesting? joining me, miranda devine, new york post columnist and fox news contributor, rich lowry editor in chief of great national review of magazine. so tram subpoena a pretty good -- trump is a pretty good deal maker. system of articulation i love it. i think he's using tariffs to bend people to the will of his power and he's going to believe the people into submission and going to be how long for mexico and trudeau is just a goof ball and going out to report and

going for them and going for that position and they're going to elect them in october hurts trudeau and going for the canadian people have suffered enough. larry: 10,000 for canada and 10,000 for mexico all in a day's work. >> this is for panama and it's extraordinary. you want more. but still. larry: was he correct about that? >> there's a report that the naval ships are not going to have them and it's chinese influence and reviewing concession of the hong kong company running terms on the two sides of the canal. i think we want more from mexico by the way. i think they're going to remain in mexico and going for other policies and going for them. it's a marco state.

going for them snout smart enough to know where this and that is. 10,000 troops not enough and it's a good start. we'll use our troops, will we not, miranda? before this tram said watching him and reading the notes of the executive order and fact sheet and there's a trade deficit with them and, yes, of course the border is so paramount -- of paramount importance but i think the killing of people, hundreds of thousands of people by these fentanyl drugs, amphetamines, cocaine, you name it. it's affected trump enormously. >> affected the entire country and there was a headline today saying that trump created hostility towards migrants in america and opposite is the truth. joe biden creating that hostility and what donald trump is doing by securing the border and it's taking a lot, i mean, there's a suite of measures putting into place to make those numbers go to zero.

it's so important for america and its cohesion as really immigrant country. larry: rich lowry, probably going to run out of time but let me get this right, the democratic party, national committee elected somebody named ken martin, who was ted walz's top adviser whose acceptance speech was absolutely full of race and gender and all the usual stuff. honestly, look what the incredible thing's donald trump is doing in two weeks, week and a half, whatever it is. look what he's doing and taking that into mexico, canada, panama, columbia and that's for starters. now let's go back to the usa where he's going to do and they're doing this, no change whatsoever and the same old time religion getting clockerred two, three months ago. >> they won't learn lesson till the second jd vance term and all this stuff is a mistake and old time religion is right, larry.

if something somebody told you deny that jesus christ is your savior and lord to win an election. that's how they do it. look at dei commitments and it's immoral for them and think its righteous and they'd rather lose than give them up. at least for the time being. >> one way i'd never do it is i believe l i believe it too . i do in my heart. >> it'll be jd vance and barron. talking more about the trump tariff diplomacy successes with congressman byron donalds. next up, canada 10,000 troops on the border along with mexico. it'll get crowded pretty soon. (auctioneer) let's start the bidding at 5 million dollars. thank you, sir. (man) these people of privilege... hoarding the financial advantages

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front line personnel and i guess he means troops are and will be working on protecting the border. nettal czar, et cetera, et cetera, and proposed tariffs and going for them not yet hagg confirmation from the white house and i assume it's true and what do you make of them. >> e well, it's prosperities made and prosperities kept -- promises made and promises kept and donald trump said he's going to do everything to secure the nation and he's done that . no talking points and silly blue ribbon panels that go nowhere and meetings that do absolutely nothing. decisive action with results and nobody wants to be in the trade

war and everybody needs to occur and canada and mexico both of them had to know how serious we are in is a fin for him and win for the american people. fentanyl has been killing more americans than anything else in our country. the number one cause of death between ages of 18 and 45. the drug cartel haves had operation 23458 controls of both of the boarders, larry. this has got to change and donald trump prosperitied it and he's deliver it had. larry: congressman byron donalds, any doubt in your mind if mexico and canada and instituted and implemented tariffs and i think they were locked and loaded and ready to go. >> it was going to follow through and i believe trudeau and mexican president realized

that very quickly and the rest of the world understands and joe biden and donald trump says something and going for them and tony blinken and marco rubio shows up, you know we mean business. not about trying to upset a bunch of people but americans have to be put in line and going for domestic and foreign policy interest and matters not and do not work with them and no problem having a cord july relationship with you. we'll have that. it's not glogg to be to the detriment of the american people. that stops now. this is another action that proves it. larry: that's great. byron donalds, super star. thank you, sir. we appreciate it very much. be right back with my last word.

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liz: trump tariff diploma situate nobody has seen anything like it and mexico, canada, china and panama and columbia all playing ball to stop drugs and close the border. quite incredible. liz macdonald, i would guess you'd agree. liz: i agree, larry. staying on the breaking news. welcome to the evening edit. i'm elizabeth macdonald. >> we've done more in two weeks than biden did in five years, six years. they could be here between him and obama,