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president trump is not budging and elon musk and doge is here to stay. we have more with john yoo and joni ernst and marsha blackburn and trump make as pith on tariffs and reciprocity, that's the new path to free trade. art laffer, congresswoman claudia tenney weeing in on all that and approval rating sores and talking to rich -- soars and talking to rich lowry and david webb and jackie hindu reich live at white house. jackie. jacqui. reporter: hey, larrey. we have all steel and aluminum imports and later announcing reciprocal tariffs and any country charges u.s. and sounds like eleventh hour deal with

canada and mexico might not stave it off and said to our bret baier ahead of the super bowl they're not really working out and might revise them too. >> border security and drug intra-diction. is that snuff? >> 23409 good enough. >> more need in 30 days. >> something needs to happen and not sustainable and i'm changing it. reporter: some changes hitting roadblocks and elon musk and doge from accessing treasury records and democrats attorney general filing suit and musk file that had ab chutely insane and jd vance went so far as to suggest that judges can't control the executive branch and some league experts warned constitutional crisis and going to couch his statement in referring to the executive branches legitimate power and going for them and he had this to say. take a listen.

>> tremendous fraud, tremendous waste, and tremendous abuse. and theft by the way. and you're not allowed going for them and not much of a country. no judge is allowed to make that decision. it's a disgrace. reporter: the president there not suggesting that a judge's order should be defied and elon musk said in a post over the weekend that he doesn't like the precedent of defying a ruling and he's left wondering what other options are available and if the dick emberd keeps asking this afternoon and a rhode island judge found the administration defy ago court order continuing to block certain federal funding from going out the door and going for the restraining order pausing the plan to be implemented and that judge didn't go far to find the administration from contempt.

larry: jacqui, thank you very much. folks, elon musk is here to stay and democrats will have to deal with it. that's the sucket of the riff. donald trump likes elon musk and trusts elon musk and president trump totally supports elon musk efficiency audit and uncovered fraud in numerous areas inside agencies where there's been all kinds of spending on items that congress never mandated. in fact, mr. trump will expand musk's remit to include the education department and the pentagon. and there may well be much more to come. we'll have former jus distotis department official john yoo talk about this subject in a few minutes. now, this morning i put it this way on outnumbered. take a listen. elon musk exercise is about systems and efficiency and delivery. it is not changing policies on

the fly. hence there's nothing wrong with an audit. they're finding judges who are all slightly to the left of whoopie goldberg. nothing constitutional or policy about this. larry: so, attorney general palm bondi moving rapidly to vacate various restraining orders and the payment systems reviews. interestingly none of the left wing judges opposing trump used any case law so far. justice department appeals may have to go all the way up to the supreme court and if they do, hopefully the supremes will act expeditiously and without point of the musk operation and it's transparency and efficiency and spending taxpayer dollars. additionally, elon musk and doge staff are federal government employees. they have been on boarded and they've received ethics training

and records training. they've gotten determine clearance and according to fox news legal editor carrier bond, the idea that career employees have access to sensitive information. it was preposterous on the face. nothing constitutional about any of this stuff. nothing unconstitutional. then come as bunch of former democratic treasury secretaries writing in the new york times efficiency audits in the treasury department might somehow, get this, impede u.s. financial commitment and reaching into the credit worthiness of treasury bonds. this is absolute democratic hogwash. as current treasury secretary scott bessent found, controls of spending of the previous biden administration were unacceptable. they were spending money out the

door without knowing with the money was really going. and last week scott bessent told me on the show in washington dc "they're moving a lot of people ease cheese here in the capitol and hear this squawking&in some status quo interest is not happy". end of rhode island all right. joining me aforementioned john yoo and assistant deputy i did and welcome back to the show. i heard you commenting on my commenting and i just couldn't resist because i think i got it right. i got the story right. you tell me, john yoo. >> larry, i was complimenting you for stealing the very fast ideas of me. because the way you describe it is exactly right and every american, we're going through the process of paying taxes.

what do we do? we open our books, show to our accountant and musk is basically in the position of an outside president trump listen the presidential authority and showing to the government who he chooses and take a look at the books and musk doesn't have any power to stop the spending. he doesn't have any power to close departments or not. he's just making recommendations to the president and president trump and his cabinet are the ones that carry it out. a lot of americans and democratic friends are shocked to see after four years of a comatose presidency, the energetic executive at work that the founders talked about that, alexander hamilton said the presidency created and trump can't be forced by congress to spend money unconstitutionally and can't sigh here's 100 million and only hire white people. can't be forced by congress to use money to interfere with national security and the

president has a right to pause spending and building it for oomillion and build for 5 million. the constitution gives the president that kind of discretion. larry: john yoo, on that last point and nassau county nating to hear you say this. are you referring to empowerment authority which mr. trump and some of his cabinet people talked about this and, you know, if congress wants you to spend a bill on something but you can do it cheaper for $500 million let's say for example, that it's okay and now that would amount to impoundment authority, would it not? >> you're exactly right. >> larra i interested in this too with the administration. larry: i still am by the way. >> no, no, this is important to

be clear, you went through and reporters went through all the challenges in court, we should be clear, presidents from thomas jefferson on have exercised some kind of impalment authority on the grounds i just mentioned and the supreme court never ever issued a ruling on the impalment act past a water gate and congress tried to take and deny a 200 year history of presidential empowerments and trump is entitled to as president and we'll take it to the supreme circuit court and not going to defy this and saying i want my chance to persuade the supreme court to change their mind and if they keep, say the act is constitutional,ive live with it but have the right to get the supreme court to review the

practices of the president for 200 years. larry: i'm quite certain he will. your logic is very, very interesting to me. come back to the other matter and our fox legal analyst kelly urbahn who served in the justice department and she's arguing a great point and i quoted her and her points are elon musk and the doge group are government employees and they are government employees and then she make as second point and you've got all the people saying they're unconstitutional and that's just nonsense and the second point is you can't have a situation where career bureaucrat can see information and payment systems i'm thinking of, john, where they start, where they go and how they get there. political appointees can't, aye the face of it. >> i agree. it's nonsense, larra rhode island it's unconstitutional on the part of congress to try and

pre-venn the president from rung the government effectively and i think the courts are outside their proper scope if they start micromanaging the executive branch. congress coming up with the plans and showing for the president and not allowed to get outside of advice whether this or that policy is bad. the president is the only constitutional officer under article 2 of the constitution and everyone in the executive branch works for him and if congress is allowed to say people can't show information and plans and very reason alexander hamilton said we have one president. one person in charge and we have energy in our government. larry: yeah, i love that energy thing and hamilton said it and i was right there near him and i loved when he said it. anyway, john yoo, thank you so

much. we appreciate your duty on the network. thanks so much. all right, folks, not so much sweeping gears, i wanted to talk this here and bring in claudia tenney and my great friend claude why tenny and going for reagan economist and touchdown catch coauthor of the economist and thank you, both. we appreciate it and you heard john yoo who's a very good constitutional lawyer and former senior justice department aid and going to rebut all of the nonsense unconstitutional this and unconstitutional that and mr. trump can't have audits and of his own agencies and weed it out and stop it. what are your colleagues thinking about this? >> larra i it was wonderful and brilliant and i loved hearing it

and i was a constitutional lawyer and tried it and brought cases and so glad that when you were standing next to alexander hamilton, you didn't get shot and we still have larry kudlow today. larry: touche, claudia, touche. arthur, you know, mr. trump has full confidence in elon musk and will let elon roam far and wide and perfectly legal and constitutional and they're going to do a lot of government trim asking it's just what the doctor ordered, art. and in economic terms, if you try to put it in the supply side and thinking it's pro growth and government gotten out of hand and regulations out of hand and spending going to place it is should never have gone to in the first place. >> i agree and empowerment of funds and makes sense and i was in the nixon white house a billion years ago when the rules

came in. they were put in after world war ii after germany and japan surrendered and true man impounded the funds and didn't need to build and construct the weapons systems and impounding the funds and perfect use of impoundment and what doge is doing and elon musk is doing and the government department agencies on it is own and finding efficiencies and waste and getting rid of abuse and fraud and it's wonder and feel when you do that, you not only accelerate growth but increase the quality of the growth itself. it's a win win win across the board and i don't know why anyone would want more waste, more fraud, more abuse and prohibition on people finding those misuses of funds. make nososense. larry: switching gears. double announcement and president trump saying he's not going to use a universal tariff

and so called ring around the dollar and he'll use robin lou sip robin lou cal tariffs and tax me and i'll have to tax you. but if you lower your tax on me, i'll lower my tax on you. that's a path to free trade and he also wants to renew his 25% tariffs on the imports of steel and aluminum. claudia, you're on ways and means and has a lot to do with trade. what do you make of all this. >> that's really interest point-blank layups, robin lou sip robin lou cal trades and universal and i like that idea of sounding like a free trade agreement and almost like without a document and i do think that these tariffs have shown that we actually increase u.s. production and we bring our economy back with aluminum and steel and only thing i think i talked about this last time i was on, larry, i'm a bit worried about the copper fabricators and

ability to get them up to speed in time. they all are for it and like the tariffs and idea of bringing supply chains back and commodities and legacy businesses where i'm at in up state new york and thousands of jobs of fabricating copper and size of human hair for medical technology and high grade military and other building uses and would like to see in universal tariff and i like this reciprocal tariffs sounds like a good idea and like a negotiating and gives awes bit more room for flexibility and that's what trump is always looking for is a way to negotiate and get flex and the stopping us from getting a lunch by the world trade organization and some of the compcompanies that china is manipulating the system and working around going for them and it's giving the country confidence in the united states and ability to actually engage with us as opposed to dealing

with china and that's going for the end. larry: arthur, reciprocal trade leads to free trade. in his mind and heart, i think president trump believed that and i wrote a couple of opportunistic ed pieces before g7 meeting ands signed off on them and made that point. reciprocal trade can lead to freer trade for sure. what do you think, arthur. >> i think totally. he's well aware the other countries have much higher tariffs on the products than we have on their products and look at committee to unleash prosperity note this is morning and every single country has higher tariffs on our exports to them than theirs to us. if it's reciprocal and cut them down to our level and that'll be really amazing and these americaalist ideas that exist in the other countries, he needs to threaten and needs to do this to bring it down. i had conversation withs him,

larry, going way back to 2017, 18 when he said this is the way of getting free trade and he's totally right. he scares the jibbers out of me and he delivers on it every single time and i fully back what he's doing and that's the trade agreement leading to freer trade. larry: claudia tenney, another subject and blessedly, blessedly new omb director confirmed by the senate and my friend russ is closing cfpb and the protection bureau and didn't protect anybody except senator warren and her friends and basically terrorize banks and financial institutions trying to make various loans. it was a -- this is a terrorist organization and they're closing it down. president trump directed russ to clothe close it down and he's the right guy to close it down and hoping congress will back up

russ on this. >> i love this move, larra rhode island i used to serve on financial services committee and john is probably singing to the quire shough somewhere and so excited about this going away and it's a terrorist organization in a way and financial terrorist organization and prevent banks from engaging and assessing their own resident and can getting in the way of banks to do that and a small number of local and community banks left and have giant and banks for great resources and every level and small lenders up to the small borrowers up to largest borrowers and i love this idea and someone that's been a lawyer at banks and working with banks and love community banks but the larger banks serve a purpose too and they're doing this totally useless and it's duplicative and

close it and walk everybody out the door. happy about that. larry: arthur this, is deregulation and make believer organization and serving no purpose at all and stopping business loans, personal loans, payday loans, credit card loans, putting noises into everything and the federal reserve and control of the currency in fdic and not enough regulators to begin w. this is another one and going with the elon musk stuff and put as supply cider and pes pro growth and removing shackles to business and it's pro growth. last word. >> it's pro growth and the markets are seeing it as pro growth, larra rhode island earlier the real rate of return on capitalist popped up in the last few years from being a negative number to positive number and outlook for the economy looks great according to

the bond market skin fellation is not picking up and real growth is coming in and that led to highest interest rates and honest to goodness everyone is expecting this economy to do well and deregulations and tax cuts and pro growth monetary once we get control of the fact. larry: yeah, the deregulation is already beginning. and that's what these audits are all about as well. that's what this closing down unnecessary regulators and both fabulous, art and claudia, house member fun state new york. folks, coming up, little more doge cutting agencies all together. talk about that with senator joni ernst and elon musk and doge, they're very hot topics stay with it. president trump pretty hot topic too and see his approval ratings from cbs no less. probably killed them to publish it and talk about that later.

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thing then i'll go to the military and check the military. i've had a great help with elon musk is terrific. larry: i have iowa senator joan ernst joining us to talk about this more. well columbia, welcome. democrat haves to deal with this and elon is here to stay. mr. trump supports him, president trump was elected president and not the democrats. they're out of power. he likes what elon musk is doing and i think you like what elon musk is doing. i just want him to do more of it. >> absolutely, larry, and thank you so much for having me on today. today to talk about the department of government efficiency and this is something i've worked on through my squeal efforts for over a decade now and before we went into this congress, i was able to go to mar-a-lago and present vivek

ramaswamy and elon musk with an eight page memorandum of work i've done over the past decade and $2 trillion savings blueprint for the department of government efficiency and so glad elon musk and the president gave us a platform to get this done and they're being very aggressive and you're right, larry, i'm loving what they're doing. without this disruption, it would have been business as usual and i would have gone on pushing out my squeal reports with nobody in the white house to really grab hold of it. so i'm thankful for the president. i am thankful that elon musk has taken on this additional duty on top of everything else he does to really focus on cost saving ands efficiencies for american taxpayers. larry: i'm glad. i don't want you to be lonely and now you've got friends there down the road on this 1600 pennsylvania. will you still back him and will

your friend lindsey graham back him if he finds problems in pentagon spending? >> absolutely, larry. you know me very well i'm a defense hawk and a fiscal hawk and just because i appreciate the men and women in uniform doesn't mean evidence of infection don't want to do better by them and our american taxtaxpayers when the pentagon s wrought with waste and the contractor that's been working on a platform for about 10 years going for them about 800800 8000 800800 --800, 800 acquisitions g for them and adding up to billions of dollars on top of original cost. the platforms on the war fighters and going with this

differently and going for mr. musk and president going for them and we can figure out the smartest way to do it and work smarter and not harder. larry: once again budget resolution with lindsey graham and proposed or voted on and not voted on yet. but he definitely wants the first bill to exclude the tax cut extensions, mr. trump's tax cut extensions and speaker johnson once again was quoted today saying the house is trying to put together one big beautiful bill that would include the tax cuts and the border and the defense and so forth and so on. is there a -- not a war between the states, ma'am, but just a war between the senate and house. >> well, i hope that there is no war and i hope that we can find a peace threatty to move forward

and -- peace treaty to move forward and find meet results for the con stitch units across the state and house is intent on one big beautiful bill. bottom line, larry, what we have to do is find a way forward. we have to make sure the tax cuts go forward and it's not just an extension. we want to see perm nancy for our american taxpayers. but we also know that we need to do something about our southern boarder and we need to make sure that defense, national defense is adequately provided for in this very unsecure world that president biden left us. we do have a lot of work to do but again, i'm praying for peace between the chambers and not a civil war. larry: i love peace. one, big, beautiful bill creating peace anyway. thank you ever so much. >> thank you. larry: coming up, musk just

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larry: cbs put out president trump's his torr approval rates and must have killed them to do it. joining us now to talk about it, rich lowry, editor and chief of national review, david webb and host of the david webb show and must have killed them and the numbers, i mean, these numbers out and about, 70% like the fact that he's keeping promises. which is really important credibility. 53-47 approval. then these other numbers, 59%. he's tough, 63%, he's energetic, 68% he's focused and 58% he's

effective and numbers any president could only dream about and joe biden couldn't possibly dream about. >> yeah, 53% is highest approval rating ever in this poll series. and just goes to the basic approach was very small demographic and telling people what i want to do. if i get in, i'll do it. they see this great urgency to do it and energetic number going to we were fed this lie during the election campaign and just as old and out of it as joe biden and exhausted and no way to make it through and there's a period that he's not doing interviews and we see this tornado of energy going last three weeks and putting the light to that as well as many other things. larry: 58% say he's effective and all these are important and effective. how about that. he's getting stuff done.

>> yeah, and you're doing it and biden crushed. biden crushed law and all of this. he didn't want border security and so much more. foreign policy and trump coming in saying hold on. i'm not making this up. the federal government's job is this. the law says you're supposed to do this and the border with other things says we're going to do it. coming to your house and going to fix your dishwasher. going for them. larry: i understand the theory of this point. it he going to rephrase this. the shock and awe of day one going for them. starting with the worst of the worst as tom homan said and

getting the criminals going for 24 hours and going right after that and how important was that? >> huge, it's a top three issue in the campaign and this is something his team knows really well and did the first time around and shuted down the border and they're on the way to doing it again and those images of rapists and murders and going just made everyone think, why did we have to wait till now for these people to go, and on the issue i believe that was the highest percentage. larry: famed right away and no ands, buts, ifs about it and went ahead and did it. the other thing interesting was nominations. they're not all over yet and i would bet you, to use the phrase, he's going to win all the cabinet nominations. again, going to exclude gate space. going for them and entity do

really count that specifically and going with that and policy seasonal and going to probably go with hegseth and toughed it out and going for them. >> strong military going for them and going through strength and going for the democrats doing that and they're phygoing to delay and they're looking to delay and contrast how fast biden got nominees for example. i would say to those republican senators like murkowski and colins and mitch mcconnell who voted for some of those biden appointees. if you can voit for them then your objection to giving the president and his team is re-deck louis and trans-important. this should not be about tds trump destruction syndrome and about what the american people need, give the president his team. one thing about this guy, you've gone in guy a long time, larry, not seeing it working out, he'll fire somebody. that goes back to effectiveness.

getting the job done. larry: rich lowry, how important is the debate now between one big beautiful bill or two bills? mainly centering around getting the tax cuts extended or permanently extended or 2.0 tax cuts including tax free tips. how important is this? >> it's huge. so we've seen a lot of executive action and no substitute for congressional action, especially on all this fiscal stuff going to the point that david was making about the appointments, the nominations getting confirmed and showing that if you pressure one individual senator, it's really almost unsustainable now for that member not to buckle and do what the president wants and that'll be important if that can transfer over into the house and senate on this reconciliation bill. zero margins for error. larry: what's going to happen. give me for instance, david web. i want the tax cuts done and

permanently and lowing in bring in chips acts and revenues go up and far fewer people have to cheat and then tax avoidance and then how important is this. going to be extremely important and >> i had access in distinction and went through the congressional retreat and coming in broadcast and better access to talk into these many if not a good amount of these 200 plus members and putting them on air to talk about the issues. what i saw coming out of that from conversations going for them and more united from giving president trump that reconciliation and going for that and getting it done and then the purity text going away

with all due respect with some guys i do like, the reagan pushing it for how many years and getting 70%, 80% of what you want and the importance of giving them big beautiful bill once you have a win on the table and going for them going with the demand and giving you for them and the important and going back for more and getting across the end zone and larry: lindsey gram and his style and sometimes he's right and sometimes he's wrong. there's a war between the houses and they can't afford that. >> >> can't afford that and begin complexity and could your honors as patience. larry: patience. they'll get it done. you'll get a budget resolution. larry: rich lowry and david

webb. no war between the states. catch david, he's cohosting the bottom line this week with dagen mcdowell, 6:00 p.m. eastern here on fabulous fox business. rich lowry writing all the time in the new york post. don't want to leave anybody out. on kudlow, elon musk and doge going to save taxpayer as lot of money and using that to cut taxes. haha. how about that. tennessee senator marsha blackburn here in a minute to talk about all of that. i'm kudlow. ♪ ♪ chocolate fundraiser. ♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪ deposit checks easily and send money quickly. [coins clinking] ♪ that's convenience from chase. make more of what's yours.

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for just $15 a month. and learn how xfinity rewards members can get a food delivery gift card when they add streamsaver. bring on the good stuff. larry: welcome back. marsha blackburn going with budget talk and budget resolution and going for them and the next ten years and going with three and put in elon musk going for doge and spending cuts for them and a trillion, trillion and a half and going for them and it's about $4 trillion worth and covering new tax cuts if all tax cuts and all tax cuts and going for them and going for them and >> larry,

they're on the point and going with cbo made and going with the static scoring and that is assuming that making a policy change not policy change and going for them and what we want to see is the dynamic scoring and we know that pro growth, tax cuts, pay for themselves and they will. if we can get those two scores house members a better idea of what we're going for them. getting the vote to come forward support and going for the trump tax cuts and going for them.

and if they're not supporting that and that is the equivalent for that and you're exactly right. going for trillion tax hike and then when you look at decisions that are happening for freezing federal hiring from the federal retirements and buyouts and already north of 65,000 federal employees on that. look at money we're finding every single day and the waste that was at usaid and the waste and money that has gone to the un programs and the waste and spending millions to teach dei classes in serbia. when you look at all of this and

add it all up. you're going to have a big number. that is going to be a current year number if you're looking at a 10 year window, say that number times 10 and that's your savings. larry: i think so. i don't understand why many people in the senate are backing away and it's not necessary and i hate to get in the weeds on these baselines and the fact is that the congressional budget office is in favor of tax cuts and lean towards bias and we talked about this for so many years and looking like house member and influential senator and it's right there. i don't understand and senator lindsey graham going up there and want to include the taxes and making life harder and harder for speaker mike johnson and ultimately makes life harder for president trump who already said tax cuts are permanently

extended. >> absolutely they should be extended. whether it takes us one, two, or three reconciliations, and i favor doing one that deals with the border, energy, military. low hanging fruit items that we can put in a bill and moving to perm nans on 2017 tax cuts so that people know what the tax code is going to be. and we get closer to a flatter rate. and then give president trump the opportunity for them and do a third reconciliation where we can look at some of those issues like tips and overtime and social security and salt and all the other tax credits people are wanting to bring forward. let's look at how we get the rate down so individuals are

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larry: just think of it. laffer curve revenue growth at 3% gdp in the next 10 years you'll make $3 trillion. elon musk and doge they are going to give you two to three trillion over 10 years and put spending caps throughout the budget. that is a home run. that will solve all our problems. that will end the war between the house and the senate. that puts me out of business in favo