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>> he's rating the personal data, bank accounts, names, addresses social security numbers of the american people. >> he's got access to financial data, personal information. it's dangerous. >> getting people's personal information, what will be done with that? liz: wrong. totally wrong. tonight we'll dig into why democrat hysteria like that is going to keep democrats out of control for a long time. first, you saw democrats trying to scapegoat elon musk and doge auditing the irs that everybody hates. there's a lot of government abuse and corruption the irs knows about that doge wants to cut. we dig into that. also to democrats talking up taxpayer privacy there. democrats and joe biden let thousands of outside contractors access private irs taxpayer data. one of them, even leaked. both trump and musk's tax returns to the media. where is the democrat fear mongering and hysteria and outrage over that? former trump deputy press secretary hogan gidley joins us,

plus the details on a stunning thank you report joe biden did waste billions of your tax dollars on freebies, on cars, colleges, houses, even small business funding, for illegal migrants. we've got the details on that one also we have this for you. >> this is a country founded by immigrants. >> well this is a country founded, a very unique country just because we were founded by immigrants doesn't mean that 240 years later that we have to have the dumbest immigration policy in the world. liz: that was cbs getting schooled by vice president j.d. vance but now there's more. we'll show you what went down when secretary of state marco rubio also gave a history lesson. gop congresswoman beth dan dine will react to that sound with social media in an uproar plus this story for you. >> to see what can be unburdened by what has been. >> be unburdened by what has

been. >> unburdened by what has been. liz: voters unburdened kamala harris by vice presidency an now kamala harris is back with another baffling word salad with a new debate firing up. voters are now saying imagine four more years of that. fox news greg jarrett is here to react but first this. president trump still getting busy. he's battling to cut government bureaucracy and scoring wins you've heard the story john baits gave the green light to doge saying doge does have the authority to investigate waste and corruption in federal agencies. we want to get you this update from fox news alexandria hoff standing by live from d.c. with more. great to see you. reporter: liz great to see you as well and there was another at least temporary victory for doge today. u.s. district court judge declined an issue to order that

would halt doge from making federal personnel cuts and they can continue just in the scope of this one case. now, that's despite a lawsuit from 14 state attorneys generals seeking to block doge from accessing government systems for 14 days. judge chuckin, who you'll remember from the alleged interference case election interference case with president trump, she said she will issue a ruling on this request for a temporary restraining order within 24 hours but she did express some skepticism at the a.g.'s argument noting imminent harm be closer aligned to a building being demolished or something that can't be undone, not necessarily doge looking into government waste and other temporary victory with us district judger denying a order to block records of three federal agencies being the department of labor, death of health and human services and consumer financial protection bureau and judgebates argued

workers unions but ultimately decided doge likely qualifies as a federal agency and therefore has the authority to access government records. so in that case, the judge requested plaintiff's file a briefing on a potential preliminary injunction by the 18th that's similar to a temporary restraining order but requires less urgency and lasts longer. liz? liz: i don't know how you do it such complex stuff you just made it seem so understandable. thank you so much. >> that's nice. liz: let's please watch this. look. >> this is your favorite president. i am a really big fan of how you do this , i don't know but i just want you to be safe. you're talented people and great people and great americans. have a good day, have a lot of fun and i'll see you later. liz: president trump literally taking a victory lap at the daytona 500 talking to them on the radio as his loudspeaker as they pace the field to start the race. let's bring in former deputy

press secretary to trump hogan gidley. trump is on a role. what do you make of the federal judges seeming to greenlight doge ruling yes, they can work inside federal agencies. trump's knocking out things like dei and an estimated 33,000 public schools. he's saying you'll lose federal funding so looks like judges are moving toward trump here. what do you think? >> it does, because they've ruled in favor of the executive branch acting like the executive branch in the last several presidential cycles. joe biden did things like this all the time, as did barack obama, george hw bush, w bush, et cetera. the fact is, a lot of these things we're talking about now are created to be under the executive branch, so of course he has the ability and the authority to do these things. the problem is a lot of republican presidents didn't do all that much of it. donald trump said wait a minute. all the democrats did this kind of stuff to me. they basically created all of these progressive slush funds

with your taxpayer dollars to push things you don't want in foreign countries but also to attack republicans. i'm just going to take a pause and root it all out and expose the democrats for what they've been doing and of course, the left is fur ye furious abou. liz: democrats are going after doge. talking up taxpayer privacy and access to taxpayer data. elon musk is saying they aren't doing that. he's saying that he could have accessed taxpayer data when he owned paypal. he didn't do that. they are trying to cut government waste and corruption. let me back up. joe biden let thousands of irs contractors from the outside access private irs taxpayer data. they are still doing that. one of them leaked trump and musk's tax returns to the media. nearly two dozen irs contractors failed background checks. they couldn't be vetted but they accessed irs taxpayer date anyway. watch this. hundreds, more than 220, let me

back up. 260 irs workers still could access private taxpayer information even though they quit the irs and no longer work there. >> it's a great point but more than that, foreign countries hacked into a lot of these systems. remember how many times we had data breaches? and they didn't freak out at all. the democrats didn't say anything. it's just kind of part of doing business in washington d.c., but as you mentioned a lot of outside contractors do this work. the problem is democrats don't like the fact that republicans are doing it to them. of all the thins donald trump has done with the executive orders and other things they don't like that but if you notice this is the one they are choosing to rally around. it's in support of washington d.c. misusing and miss spending your money. it's almost like they are coming out in favor of fraud, waste, and abuse in the federal government. liz: having covered the irs for two decades. the washington d.c. bureaucrat works for and politicians work for the taxpayer. not the other way around.

now you got this america first story. america first legal, the first judge, judge mcconnell who ruled against doge tried to stop doge. we're hearing his non-profit got nearly more than 120 million bucks in taxpayer funding for his, it's called crossroads rhode island. so, but he shouldn't have recused himself? >> of course he should have. not to mention the fact this is what you're talking about when people mention draining the swamp. the layer upon layer of the way these people just continue to fail upward, use government dollars, to further their own political ideology. this is the problem donald trump and doge are exposing. it's exactly what this country needs to restore the faith, trust and confidence in our federal government. liz: hogan great to have you on. stay on the story of doge auditing the irs. now, somebody leaked to the washington post that doge is accessing private taxpayer data. elon musk is saying no they aren't doing that but a basic anti-fraud review to stop people

literally stealing your money and to stop waste and corruption in government. the government literally keeping millions of dead people still on the social security role and giving them paycheck. again thousands of outside contractors now access irs data. hillary vaughn is at the white house with more on this story. hillary? reporter: good evening liz. we're told that people on the doge team could be accessing the irs's payment systems as soon as today. the white house has insisted that anyone viewing anything sensitive or classified or private has the clearance and appropriate approval to do so and a white house official says that direct access to what's called the integrated data retrieval system which includes visual access to taxpayer accounts is needed for doge to audit the irs. something the irs does, every day to americans, but this information is something that people at the irs already have access to and use as part of their jobs, so people who are protesting doge's access are

really mad that federal employees working on behalf of doge are getting a look under the hood. >> not talking about an outside private entity. we're talking about the existing federal staff of the federal government performing their statutory and constitutional duty. >> can you give assurances to people who faithfully pay their taxes in this country that doge isn't just going to go randomly sifting through the records and make it come across the personal private records of a lot of americans? >> i can give absolute 100% insurance. reporter: in addition to finding fraud doge is discovering lost taxpayer cash, and helping them relocate $1.9 billion that had gone missing under biden. that's nearly $2 billion that they say the treasury can now use for other things, but democrats say doge is exaggerating all this fraud they are finding. >> these are by an large performative they at rick measures that pick one off cases and say this is broad policy. this is what an entire department or agency does or

represents and it's just not true. reporter: and liz, the irs is also not immune from doge downsizing. the ap reports thousands of irs workers on their probationary period of employment with the irs will be laid off, cuts could happen as soon as next week. liz? liz: great work hillary vaughn thank you so much. now please watch this. >> budget reform is not an option. it's a necessity. >> the american people are entitled to transparency. >> we can't sustain a system that bleeds billions of taxpayer dollars on programs that have outlived their usefulness. >> this report tells us how to cut waste, cut red tape, streamline the bureaucracy. create a government that works better and costs less. >> the plan i offer you seeks to earn the trust of the american people by paying for these plans first with cuts in government waste and efficiency, second with cuts not gimmicks in government spending. >> now elon has cracked the code and on the inside of

the belly of the beast, and he is unveiling and revealing all these thins that we knew were happening, but we didn't have the evidence. this is a game changer. it is truly revolutionary, and we're going to restore ultimately through this process the federal government to the original intent of the founders and that's what has the big government socialist liberals and democrat party, where they are afraid of what the final result is going to be. liz: big government democrat socialist liberals. first you hear from democrat barack obama, joe biden, and bill clinton and al gore sounding like doge cutting back the out of control government bureaucracy. clinton and al gore is reinventing government laid off more than 37 7,000 federal workers and they ran a budget surplus for the first time in decades. let's welcome to the show former home depot chair bob nardelli. what do you make of this? can today's far left party put the country over their ideology

because doge is targeting corruption and waste. we're seeing evidence of what's happening. >> yeah, elizabeth, certain what's reported so far is proof positive of all of the waste, the corruption that's going on. i would say this. you talked about it a little bit earlier but i certainly trust elon musk more than charles littlejohn, who basically from 2008 to 2013 stole thousands of people's irs records and then disclosed those , and ended up maybe five years in jail, so i think elon musk will do a great job. the other thing, one of the earlier reporters talked about this integrated data system and that is access continuously by contractors because it's an old and aged system that really needs to be totally refreshed, so i think that this is a lot about nothing. you talked about when clinton was there he eliminated 10,000 jobs the first week, 380,000 over eight years.

liz: the other thing too is, bob, we've got democrats attacking elon musk and doge for auditing the irs for waste and corruption and fraud. the trump white house says they are not downloading at all personal numbers or bank info. they just want to go after the government corruption. what do you make of biden letting thousands of irs contractors who still can, and that's go on for years by the way, before biden, could still access private irs taxpayer data. they don't work inside the government. they are contractors. you point out one of them leaked trump and musk's tax returns, nearly two dozen irs contractors failed background checks. they are accessing irs data. hundreds of irs workers still can access private taxpayer data even though they quit the irs. >> yeah. elizabeth, i happen to know people whose information was disclosed as a result of that, and its created tremendous angst among those individuals, and so even these new 80,000 that

the prior administration said they were going to add, who knows whether they will pass the screen or not so i'm very comfortable with elon musk going after this issue. there's a lot about him not being elected. i remember larry somers wasn't elected. steve ratner, the auto czar wasn't elected. it's basically a lot of the same things so this is a lot of talk about really nothing elizabeth. liz: got it. great point there, bob, thanks for joining us good to see you. now we've got this breaking news coming in out of canada. at least 15 passengers injured after a delta flight crash landed and flipped upside down at toronto international airport. trump transportation secretary sean duffy giving an update saying faa investigators are en route. the transportation safety board of canada will lead the investigation. secretary duffy says he's been in touch with his canadian counterpart and is offering assistance. 80 people on board, they were taken off earlier from

minneapolis. cause of what happened currently unknown. now let's get you updated on this. >> what we see is so hard to see that we lose faith or a vision of those things we cannot see but must know. liz: kamala harris is back with another massive word salad. coming up you'll hear the latest on what she said that again baffled and mystified voters. this new debate voters are now asking, what would have happened if we had four more years of that? fox news greg jarrett is here to react to that story. also this story for you. >> their illegal seizure of computer data. >> you know the constitution. you know they can't just freeze these funds. >> this doge, i call the department of government inefficiency is causing terror, chaos, across the federal government. liz: the democrat fear mongering is not playing. they are protecting government corruption in ways that you pay for and higher taxes, inflation, also higher things like mortgage

rates. coming up, new polls americans are not buying what democrats are now selling. they see that democrats are out of policy ideas and that they are instead trying to scapegoat doge and musk. the details on joe biden on this story blowing billions of your tax dollars on things like cars, colleges, houses, for illegal aliens even to start small businesses after biden collapsed the border but first this. >> we absolutely cannot unleash thousands of unvetted people into our country. >> these people are vetted. >> just like the guy who planned a terrorist attack in oklahoma a few months ago? liz: no they were not vetted. we reported already they were not vetted. remember that? now cbs host margaret brennan getting reality checked by trump secretary of state marco rubio. republican congresswoman beth van duyne is ready to go and she's fired up and will take it on. we've got a big show for you

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liz: welcome back. we have yet another shocking new report that joe biden's white house handed out billions of your tax dollars to pay for all sorts of extras. freebies for illegal aliens. fox news brooke taylor joins us from dallas, texas with more. reporter: liz, we are talking about billions of dollars here spent on migrants coming out of this office in just the last few years. a report reveals that the money was spent on things like buying homes, cars, education, business loans, up to $15,000, and even loans to help with credit scores. all of this money coming out of the taxpayer's pocket. a government watchdog group opened the books is behind this investigation. their report reveals most of the money went to programs for unaccompanied migrant children. despite that same office under fire, for losing track of 32000 minors, according to an inspector general report released last year. eligible groups for the grants include migrants from cuba and

haiti, humanitarian parolees from afghanistan and ukraine, special immigrant visa holders from afghanistan and iraq, and unaccompanied minors. in 2021 according to the watchdog report they gave out more than $2 billion in grants. in 2023 that number more than quadrupled to 10 billion. this was the same time we saw a record number of migrant encounters at the southern border and in 2024, another 4 billion. >> look, i think it is an egregious slap in the face of hard working tax paying citizens who pay their taxes and then expect the government to spend their money wisely and efficiently, and if they can't do that, then they should give it back to the taxpayers. reporter: we reached out to hhs and orr. we wanted to get a response to this report and ask them questions about how this money was spent. we have not heard back, liz. liz: brooke taylor thank you so much. great reporting there. now please watch this. >> the threat that i worry

the most about vis-a-vis europe is not russia, it's not china, it's not any other external actor. what i worry about is the threat from within. the retreat of europe from some of its most fundamental values. values shared with the united states of america. across europe, free speech, i fear, is in retreat. >> why would our allies or anybody be irritated by free speech and someone giving their opinion? these are the values we shared and in that we fought against things like censorship and oppression. he's simply expressed in a speech his view which a lot of people frankly share and i thought he said a lot of things that needed to be said, and honestly i don't know why anybody be upset. i assure you the united states has come under criticism on many occasions from many leaders in europe and we don't go around throwing temper tantrums about it. >> he was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized to conduct a genocide. >> free speech was not used to

conduct a genocide. the genocide was conducted by an authoritarian nazi regime. liz: that was cbs host margaret brennan, saying j.d. vance was saying stop the censorship in europe. secretary of state marco rubio battling back with a history lesson saying free speech should not start the holocaust. let's welcome to the show from house ways and means texas congresswoman beth van duyne. great to see you thanks for joining us. >> great to see you. liz: when you heard what was your reaction? does j.d. vance is asking does the media think the holocaust was caused by free speech? didn't the nazis out law free speech? >> well, yeah. she apparently doesn't know her history or she would know it was the propaganda coming out of the government-run media is that what caused the divisiveness and the hate and what caused some of the support that germans who were not necessarily in the military felt. she has absolutely no idea of her history but to suggest that free speech led to that war was

absolutely outrageous, and i want to give props to marco rubio for calling her out on it. learn your history before you're going to sit here and condemn somewhat we're trying to do about supporting our american values. our western values, and i could not be more proud of vice president vance for going over to europe and saying you need to look in the mirror because you're starting to sound and act a lot like the communist that you fought and won in the cold war than you are about having any western values, or about protecting freedom of speech. he gave example after example of arrests that have been made on the citizens from just simply speaking, giving an opinion, even just praying. the examples are harsh and he's saying wake up because you're turning more and more communist. liz: we had creeping censorship under joe biden, right? with the democrat government,

democrats in government working with social media and others to suppress free speech. certainly during the pandemic. europe has blown out a gigantic welfare state and have reduced their military spending just like canada which the u.s. pays for. the u.s. supports them with massive defensive spending. let's get your reaction to this. you know, you and i were just talking about j.d. vance under fire for calling out europe for censorship. listen to german prosecutors on "60 minutes" on how far they are going with censorship. watch this. >> it's illegal to display nazi symbolism, the holocaust that's clear. is it a crime to insult somebody in public? >> yes. >> yes, it is. >> and it's a crime to insult them online as well? >> yes. >> the fine could be even higher if you insult someone in the internet. >> why? >> because in internet it stays there. if we are talking face-to-face,

you insult me, okay. finished. but if on the internet if i insult you or a politician. liz: this is how crazy the far left liberals have gotten in germany. it's a crime to insult somebody in public and insult somebody on the internet? >> yeah. you're absolutely right. again, this seems like they are repeating the past and getting closer and closer to the regimes in the past that have created so much destruction, danger and deaths of their own citizens. they better wake up and i'm telling you if j.d. vance and president trump are very clear. we're going to be supporting these values and one of the allies with people who support those types of values of free speech, freedom of religion, and -- liz: we got closer here, congresswoman. we got close to it here with the intolerant far left. still condemning and shutting down people. they are intolerant because they can't handle a different point of view and they try to shut it down. final word. >> yeah, they absolutely do and when you think about what germany is really not in a

position where it sold itself out to russia because it's not keeping up on military defense. they are not spending part of their gdp on that but instead they are chasing this green new unity deal, and they are leading their citizens at risk and who do they expect to pop in and defend? the united states. liz: congresswoman van duyne thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> by definition, are we in a constitutional crisis? >> dangerously close to a constitutional crisis. >> constitutional crisis. >> a constitutional crisis. >> constitutional crisis. >> the constitutional crisis. liz: democrats doubling down on a strategy that is not resonating, not playing with the voter. we've got the latest poll numbers that are rattling democrats. voters support trump and doge. they like what they see. we're going to dig into that but first this. >> well i think culture is a reflection of our moment in our

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have to keep a clear eye and it doesn't mean we don't see the beauty in everything, right? >> yes. >> these things all co-exist. >> it's like there's a plant somewhere in "progressive" america that just sees how many stupid things that they can embrace. it's stunningly stupid. liz: okay, first you heard a really remarkable word salad from kamala harris and then you heard from top democrat strategist james carvelle going off saying it's really bad the stunningly stupid jack adea jack ass things democrats are saying. joining us fox news legal analyst and author of the great book of the constitution of the united states and patriotic documents, he is the one and only great gregg jarrett. what if kamala won, greg? good to see you. she may run for president again

in 2028. how can you vote for if she can't articulate her thoughts. it's like we're waiting in realtime for her to search and find her own conclusion and like you need a google maps to follow what she's saying. >> yeah, liz, kamala is the definition of vacuous. her mindless wandering jumbled thoughts so incoherent. somebody should actually invent a new board game. what's kamala talking about is a mystery. you know, it's the main reason she lost because she seems lost, using words and phrases in these senseless combinations, and for a politician, that's crippling. she is incapable of connecting with people, because her communication skills are senseless and you're right. in retrospect, it is truly mortifying that for four long years, this nation was led by a largely comatose president and a

vice president who was his intellectual equal, and it's frightening. liz: we want to move on to this. separate story. do you expect new justice department action against jack smith? let me back up. jack smith reportedly got a gift of $140,000 in free legal advice from outside lawyers at the d.c. law firm covington and burling. we knows had u.s. a.g. pam bondi is bearing down. pam bondi says jack smith and his staff spent more than 50 o million dollars targeting president trump. do you expect any civil or legal or ethics probe into jack smith? >> yeah, i mean, just taking this gift, for example, from a firm aligned with democrats only fortifies the evidence of political bias and maybe corruption that drove the lawfare campaign against trump.

this cozy arrangement, i think, demands further disclosure, more investigation. was it related? do the two prosecutions he bought against trump, did garland know about it. the ethics are highly questionable whether it was sanctioned or not and it's exactly why i argued in a column on fox news that jack smith should be investigated by the incoming doj and in fact pam bondi has launched that probe. if lawfare prosecutors, like smith, manipulated the law, that damaged trump's political campaign, that is a criminal violation of his civil rights under the federal codes and prosecutors could be prosecuted. liz: it's against everything america stands for. gregg jarrett, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, liz. >> this aid is a force multiplier for the united states of america. it has enormous impact in

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>> donald trump's favorability rating is actually higher than it ever was the first time around. let me ask you. a recent poll by marquette looked at several of the things that he has done, or says he's going to do and 63% favor federal government's recognition of only two sexes. 60% favor deporting immigrants who entered the united states illegally. 60% favor expanding oil & gas production. 59% favor declaring an emergency at the southern border. is there anything you are seeing that trump is doing that you are

in favor of. that you think is the right thing? >> let me say, as it relates to all of those issues. we're just at the beginning. >> we're going to fight it, legislatively, we're going to fight it in the courts and we're going to fight it in the streets. liz: okay, he had no answers that's house minority leader hakeem jefferies. again no response. no answers to abc's john carl listing the new poll results from marquette university. voters are giving trump higher and higher approval ratings on multiple policies saying yes, deport illegal aliens, they broke the law coming and crossing illegally. he's saying basically, yes to oil & gas drilling. yes to a lot of what trump is saying, voters are overwhelmingly backing trump. let's bring in back to the show republican main street caucus chair the one and only congressman dusty johnson. congressman, always a pleasure wonderful to see you again.

what do you make of this? so hakeem jeffrey has no answers to marquette's poll, showing that the americans agree with trump on most of the issues, a majority of the issues but he's telling america to take to the streets to fight trump. >> liz, this is pretty simple. donald trump campaigned telling americans he would seal the border and unlock american energy. that is exactly what he has done. republicans in congress have helped him and now, hakeem jefferies is telling people they need to go fight in the streets. how about, hakeem, you try governing. some of this stuff we can do together. if you want a democratic renaissance, hakeem, maybe don't fight against basic common sense. liz: y that's it, congressman. i mean let me back up. so trump has a historic presidential action. we've never seen this in modern u.s. history, to do everything you just said. deport illegal aliens from baking the law for crossing, dismantle the d.c. bureaucracy,

cut government waste and corruption, drain the swamp, so what are the democrats, what's their ground game? instead they are trying to make doge the boogy man so what do they got? >> and listen, i get it. elon and president trump are throwing 100 things at us a day. now the reality is that the overwhelming majority of those are really good disruptions to the system. i get it. there's a bunch of broken china, but it is hard to find somebody who is going to bat better. a higher percentage than these guys are batting right now. if they break something that really has to be fixed, liz, of course we'll come along behind it and make sure that we restore what has to be restored, but until then, let's go work on finding the waste, fraud and abuse. liz: right. congressman johnson, we appreciate you so much thanks for being with us tonight. taking time to join us good to see you again. now please listen to this. >> you don't go fall and die on

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>> you don't go fall and die on the hill of foreign aid. i just think that's a huge strategic mistake because now you look like you're defending foreign aid. >> u.s. government has corruption like every government. >> david axelrod said this is not a kill this party should die on. >> they knew democrats would light their hair on fire and protest outside of the building they knew that. coming out of the inauguration, they're framing the argument around look al these guys and how out of touch they are. they're defending foreign aid

and we're trying to stop waste and abuse and still do our economic stuff. >> yeah, the problem for the democrats is the only way to argue against all this and saying no, no, no, we like the status quo. liz: that was former house democrat tim ryan and hbo mill morrisseying why are -- bill maher saying why are democrats dying on the hill to defend foreign aid and waste and we're joined by caroline downey. caroline, is it only a matter of time before the rest of the democrats get on board with the rest of america seeing. why are they defending corruption? >> liz, great to be back with you. the realization is hitting the entire class and taking time to sink in and amazing that those ppundits are recognizing the

majority of support auditing and going with chuck schumer going with his company protesting and carrying on and government survival for its own sake and what the pundits didn't mention, baa their correct and it's a bad look to talk about foreign aid right now, is that the agencies have a lot of them mutated beyond original size and scope and u.s. aid was supposed to be about war zones and companies and countries suffering from war and famine and gave millions to lgbt program in africa. liz: we've been talking since last year from the government waste and $2.7 trillion and we reported this last year and 2.7 trillion on overpayments. on erroneous payments that flew out the door in the last 20 years since 2004 out of medicaid

and medicare and democrats think that's okay? >> yeah, the government programs include redirect examination rife with fraud and bros and that's an uncomfortable conversation for a lot of ameramericans and maybe some republicans but part of the dodge subcommittee hearing, liz, there was a ceo of lexus nexus that testified that americans lost millions to overseas criminals and so much unaccounted corruption. liz: that we pay for. >> that's why journalism is important. liz: caroline downey, thank you so much. thank you for watching "the evening edit" tonight and appreciate you and thank you for welcoming us into your homes. hope you had a wonderful happy president's day. dvru and time for dagen and james at bottom line