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is next. larry: hello, folks, welcome to kudlow. i'm larry kudlow. elon musk and doge trying to clean up government fraud everywhere, now including kansas. you won't believe the numbers. left wing judges cannot stop them, their legitimate government employees and former speaker newt gingrich on all this moment plus senator mark wayne mullin on the senate and art laffer, steve moore telling us why congress needs to do, just do it and make trump's tax cuts permanent and by the way, it's eric adams going to make it in new york? and we'll ask joy concha and mark my sewn. peter -- mark simon. peter doocy, what's going on? reporter: well, we'll here if a federal judge is going to slow down and accessing some

confidential taxpayer information, and officials around here basically saying that no matter what happens, democrats will not be able to claim a victory. >> tro is temporary restraining order put in place when the judges take a look at actual facts and it is temporary and they're not winning and the judges reversed them and seen there's real fraud and that we're not doing anything wrong. reporter: trump had waste, fraud and abuse about doge and it's by billionaires here trying to help billionaires elsewhere. >> corruption is up, chaos is up and prices are up for americans and that is why we're standing up against this effort. reporter: doge is getting access to the irs's integrated data retrieval system. musk claims he needs that to

understand duplicate payments and claims that others are losing this, friends. >> there's a birthday party and birthday dinner and nice, quiet dinner and everything was -- everyone was behaving narrow angle hali and before the election and a month or two before and after mentioning the president's name, it was like they got shot with a dart in the jugular and taking m methamphetamine or rabies like why! reporter: the acting head of social security administration stepped down and only acting head of ssa since january 21st and trump's second day in office. back in office. and remember, this season a agency and social security where elon musk claims there's people over 150 years old long dead born in the 1870s still receiving payments. that is something that some coders are disputing and they don't think the doge engineers are reading the code right and inputs properly, but elon musk

is the one with the president's ear. he's the one that the president wants looking at all this stuff. and so it'll all come out at some point. it just is getting a little bit slowed down with all of these lawsuits. larry: i'm looking forward to getting my social security check at 150 years old. reporter: they're only 150 years old, he'll definitely need the social security check. larry: we don't know what he'll need. peter doocy, thank you so much. now to capitol hill and fox news chad pergram joining us live. what's cooking. reporter: larry, good afternoon. senate republicans aim to move the budget plan tonight and going for border security and wall and money for military and ignoring spending cuts and not renewing president trump's tax reductions and senate budget committee chairman lindsey graham says it's important to

start with the election and the border. >> the problem we have now is that ice is running out of money. and to my colleagues in the house, i hope you can pass one big beautiful bill. meaning the priorities of president trump and what we've been promising to do as a party and we've got to move on this issue. reporter: the house has a separate plan, which cuts taxes and spending. but house republicans say border czar tom homan is pushing for more cash right now. >> we've got to get this done asap and get tom the money and resources he needs to carry out this agenda on border security. reporter: here's the problem, this budget blueprint is just aspirational. it's a legislative chassi. there's no concrete money in the plan. this comes as republicans embrace cuts by doge. they believe the irs is not transparent. >> i'm a united states congressman and it can take me 7:to six months to get a d dat m

response from them and that's not acceptable and imagine the general public. reporter: fox told even the irs cannot say how many people had access to its systems. larry. larry: wow, some stuff. anyway, great reporting, chad pergram, thank you ever so much. folks, elon musk and doge are finding fraud everywhere and that's the sucket of the riff. you think there's no waste, fraud and abuse and corruption on the federal government and children and democrats want to stop elon musk and department of government efficiency keep telling us. after just a few weeks the

evidence is mounting and evidence is growing larger and start with elon musk social security data base that 27 million beneficiaries over the age of 100 and 1.39 million in the 130-139 able range and 1.3 million to 140-149 range. over 1.3 million in the 150 range. seriously. anybody believe they're still alive? former director of social security administration tried desperately to keep doge out of social security. no wonder. much of it is a scam. how much? well, robert sterling, a former marine and a former mna specialist at coke industries and managing partner of ev partners, he calculates that pennsylvania $522 billion, which is one-third of all spending on

social security each year could be fraudulent. there's 101,000 living sentarians. 101,000s. average month life-threatening benefit around $2100 time 12 months equals $522 billion or one-third of all social security spending. that's incredible. i get it. they'll review carefully and these numbers and something is surely fraudulent remiss in the social security administration. there's going to be a lot more. and couple billion that hud misplaced and lee zeldin discovered a $20 billion slush fund epa that should not be spent. wall street journal editorial page citing the one that

estimated the federal government could lose between $233 billion and $521 billion annually to fraud. and geo estimated between $130-135 billion of fraudulent pandemic unemployment benefits and even the irs paused processing and pandemic employee retention tax credits because they soared from 55 billion initially to over 230 billion and counting. hhs, last year estimated 85 billion in improper payments in medicare and even medicaid even though they really haven't done anything about it far as we know. and the doge team with the growing pile of fraud and corruption is going to keep on

growing. there's serious financial audit in a long time. bill clinton and al gore talked about it even obama talked about it. but the key point is what elon musk's jet fuel driving this process president donald trump's audit is going to be implemented and legal scholars political appointees are now government federal employees. they must be permitted to do their job and you can bet they'll do just that and that's exactly what people voted for, isn't it. that's the riff. fox news contributor and newt gingrich. newt, are you there? we're waiting on newt. while we're waiting on newt, maybe play press secretary karoline leavitt's statement on

doge on america reports earlier today. want to play karoline leavitt? all right. >> elon musk is a special government employee here at the white house serving at direction of the president of the united states donald trump. elon musk s has been tasked with overseeing doge on behalf of the president and doge employees, doge folks have been on boarding at respective employees. larry: i love when she pans like that and a lot of legal backup and we found newt gingrich and former house speaker and fox news. newt, this thing is growing and this sort of pile of fraud and corruption. and specifically not on social security numbers but i don't know if you heard the riff but people over 100 -- there's some people 150 years of age who were

getting social security and all this has been calculated and numbers have been reviewed and 21 million, roughly 21 million people over 100 could cause $522 billion. $522 billion, one-third of actual social security spending could be fraudulent. i say could be. i don't know that it is. but that's what some early reports are suggesting and what do you make of this because this stuff has never been uncovered and looked up before it's high time. and simple and used old government system and pentagon never audited scenario yet it spends enormous amount of money and some is pure corruption such as the $20 billion stolen from california unemployment, mostly by criminals in the california state prison using california

computers but much of it is pure waste and incompetence and learning that the system for off loading federal employees is a mine near pittsburgh and totally manual. and has never been modernized and we ought to have make america honest again is the slogan and make america great again and healthy again and we want to make america honest again. house republicans could understand how revolutionary it is and they'll have extraordinary amount of money to offset anything they want to do just by eliminating pure fraud going to be happy with a debate for any democrat who wants to explain that we need to pay the crooks. and i adopt think we do. larry: we don't need to pay the

crooks and it's amazing to me that democrats and office holders for example going back to social security and also let me add irs. the heads of those agencies both have finally resigned or forced to resign. they did everything they could to keep the doge team out of their agencies. huge sums are involved and we just scratch the tip of the iceberg here. everything they can to keep them out and going to keep them out and they're federal employees and appropriately better and scare line leavitt suggested in that news clip and they've said time and time again for that. why is it almost a whole democratic party so many of the activists in the democratic party and left wing of the democratic party which is the tail tafanely wags the dog and doing everything they can to stop the doge audits of fraud

and corruption. why are they doing that? >> it's not stupid at all. they're a corrupt machine and usaid and turned out that the agency for international development was the agency for subsidizing left wingers. all of a sudden they're not getting the cash. this is straightforward and it's not hard to understand if you start out with the idea and these people want the money because they want the money and anything which starts to make it accurate and it's in fact their pocketbook going to destroy their machine and start taking money away from the machine that's been the democratic party, it is going to collapse. and it is going to end up being a minority party for the next 30-40 years. they're fighting for their lives. they want your money. that's their whole point and why they're in politics.

that's why the teacher's union is militant and the number of students goes down and the number of staff goes up. and points for maya goes down and checks come every friday. we have to understand and this is where elon musk will turn out to be one of the most historic figures of the administration. he and his team are going to expose to the country for the first time how truly sick the system is, and i just lost my thing so i -- you'll have to wing it for a minute. larry: that's all right. if you lost your ear piece or microphone, put it up next to your ear. lest stay with newt. i'm sure he'll get it plugged in again. the thing that's amazing to me about all this is this is like an 80/20 issue or could be a 90/10 issue. in other words taxpayers just like voters want this by elon musk to succeed. they want it to succeed and

democrats are on the wrong side of the issue and republicans and mr. trump on 80%. newt, i was just saying just to fill in and going for them to reorganize and this is 80/20 issue and going for 80/20 and how can they be so stupid? i know there's a vested interest here and don't see any democrats. i don't even sow see so-called moderate democrats and there's a few out there. i don't see them staying out there and this is a good idea and bill clinton and al gore talked about it and obama talked about it and why don't we try to help and make our own contributions? they won't do it. the left is so powerful in that party they don't understand this is the most transformational thing that happened maybe since the new deal, newt gingrich. >> clearly. if trump can pull it off and win

the 2026 election for the house, this will be the end of the new deal majority after a 90 year period. two things, one, raskin mus son reported -- rassmussen reported that the democrats are on the losing side and there's two things going oncohere, larry. one is plain shock. their world is coming apart and it's like watching godzilla and they don't know what to do. the other is enormous self-interest, i can not overstate this. these guys had a game and lobbyist bureaucratic systems paid off politicians and paid off bureaucratic system and that was the democratic party and that's being taken apart by elon musk and his team and the

corruption of the number and i'm the only speaker going to balance the budget for four straight years for 100 years. having done that, elon musk and his team along with economic growth going with this and we could get back to balanced budget and much less than people think. larry: that's a great point and spend less, tax less and regulate less and grow more. that's a prescription for a balanced budget. it's a prescription of blue collar boom and it's a prescription for fattedder middle and lower income wallets and going for them. >> it's a democratic machine and no longer have the money. larry: boy, starting out. >> some of them going to work system of articulation larry:

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larry: so the senate seemed to be bucking president trump's one big beautiful bill and welcome back oklahoma senator m mr. markwayne mullin. lindsey graham said today. i love lindsey graham and we all love him. he said that essentially the biggest issue in the election was the border and immigration and going for the border and the

fact is the biggest issue of the economy and that brings us to things like taxes for government spending. i don't agree with lindsay graham and i don't know why the senate has to go through with a two bill approach when the house is going one bill including the tax cuts, sir. i don't understand it. >> well, larry, we would -- everybody in the senate will tell you this, we would be happy to go a one bill approach, but with the taxes in it it has to originate out of the house coming from ways and means going for the reconciliations and there's appropriate bills and going for the revenue generator to go back to the house and reconciliation if going for the senate and i will tell you right now, larry. we can get 51 votes on that. i'm not sure they can do it. if they can, we are all in. we're for one big, beautiful,

glamorous bill and new word the president put on that the other day. if we can get it done, if we can't, there's no point in having all of our eggs in one basket and what he's doing is tom toe man came to the -- tom hman said we're going to one out of money saying we can't deport family and picking them up and transporting them and going to post them in different place if we don't act soon on border patrol getting homeland extra crash. fy25 runs out march 14 or 15th and we're probably going this way the way it looks and probably going to do a full year cr. reconciliation would alases to diffuse more money and that's what he's doing with military and border money and one thing it has done with the economy going for the energy and bringing down energy cost and

bring down energy cost and if you heard me say this quite a few times, emergency is the backbone of our economy and if if you bring down products you cannot deliver the product without adding energy cost into that . the lower it is, the lower inflation comes down. larry: not putting more money in public's pocket. and i've been arguing the energy story and taking time and not going to get drill for quite awhile. quite awhile. this bill, if you pass it will put money in people's pockets. that's what they want. there's a lot of things. look, the border as important as it is and solving the crime issue and all the rest of t i'm 1,000% for it. >> putting money if people's pockets and they need money in their pockets and joe biden left them poorer off four years,

significantly poorer and i don't see how passing a budget -- look, the house got a budget resolution through the budget committee and finished that up. okay, now it's going to the floor. give them a chance. and i don't see how putting something on the board in the senate helps that process and seems like you're all putting pressure on them saying we won't do it at the end of the day. it's not true. i'll say this again. as much as i want to keep the border closed, and it's already closed, they're doyne a great job keeping it closed. as much as it has, the fact remains it was about the economy and it was about high prices and . taxes and high spending. he doesn't address that and doesn't address spending and taxes and this is a good budget resolution at all >> the house going for them with $4.5 trillion and you want to go with the tax policy, we have it

in right now. you've got to have $5.5 trillion to extend it and we can't even do current tax policy under 4.5 trillion and it were a trillion short. so i mean, i'm for it. like i said, larry, everybody in the senate is for one big beautiful bill in the house can pass it and the problem is they can't prove social media and the budget they came up with is a trillion short and extending current tax policy and we'd be good with extending current tax policy and since we're falling short, we have to have a contingency plan and i don't believe putting one plan and that's it. contingency plans is what it's all about and what will happen, this is what my opinion is. the house will do theirs, the senate will do theirs and ab and both will fail and we'll probably try to do c and circumstance and will do d.

get back to one big beautiful bill after re-exhaust all options and that's the way congress works and we probably will still get there. but at some point someone has got to go through for the negotiation starting. larry: i have to get out, and we appreciate you coming on the so she felt one last thing, please talk to senator mike crapo, who will tell you that extending the trump tax cuts, not the new stuff, but extending the trump tax cuts is cost free. current policy, completely neutral. there's no cost. >> right. larry: whatever number comes up w i hear that he has 5 trust worthying, 4 trillion, it's all wrong. it's permanent policy baseline and not priced out like spending isn't priced out either. please talk to senator crapo. he's a very smart man and head of finance committee and they'll have important tech. these cost estimates are wrong,

sir. they are dead wrong. >> the way cbo does it and i couldn't agree more and it's going for the last time crapo. larry: talking to cbo. i don't want to take cbo off your speed dial senator mullin and that's the healthiest thing here and going for oklahoma. thank you, sir. as always. just do it. trump tax cuts made permanent. not going to cost anything and they don't cost anything. we'll talk to steve moore. and art laffer. if i had hair, i'd be pulling it out. don't listen to cbo at all. i'm kudlow, we'll be right back.

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for yourself. >> have you decided specifically what the auto tariff rate should be? >> yeah, i probably will tell you that on april 26789 but it'll be in the neighborhood of 25%. both put together the trump economic miracle. well done, gentlemen. not wasting too much time but, art laffer, you heard president trump and he usually mean what he says and says what he means and 25% tariffs on automobiles and going along with 25% on steel and aluminum. your thoughts, art? >> used to cut tax rates and going to be for e negotiation point and it's spectacular and he knows how to deal with tariffs and he really understands the damages that

tariffs can do if they're put indiscriminately and i feel comfortable with his positions on this and i'm just waiting to see how he works it out and what happens for the result and going to work out well for the mexican ones and see how these do. >> i'm not a big fan but steel and aluminum tariffs and costing more jobs and i'm open minded for anything like this and reciprocal of that going with reciprocal tariffs and going to work for tax rates and going to reduce them around the world and going for them. >> going for germany and 10%

tariff on the u.s. and we have a 2.5% tariff an autos coming in from germany and that's the kind of thing jawbone the deal and 10% and 2% from us. why are we always the nice guys and i think it hurts our car business. business. larry: that's the way it's got to work. art laffer, coming to you. what is wrong. very good guy and you know, lindsey graham, budget committee and put up no spending cuts or tax committee and they're pricing out trump tax cuts at 4.5 trillion,

5.5 trillion and going to extend them is nothing and zero and should be neutral and senator crapo going time and time again and permanent baseline and we've seen revenues way exceeded estimates and why are they going to follow the trap, arthur. this is the congressional budget for them and they're using it as an excuse and they're going for republicans are using the c bo as an excuse not to get tax cuts done and this is baffling. >> i think what we need to do is why not use this as advantage for us, larry. why not get rid of all the tax deductions from contributions from 501c 3-s that are not religious organizations that would raise huge amounts of money and those tax deductions

and tax exceptions and tax divisions apply to the earnings that the 501c-3 get and they don't pay any taxes and 23409 religious and use them in bad, bad ways and this is a perfect time for a fair playing field and let them do the fair playing field and get rid of this. we'll have more than enough money to have a bill passed with reconciliation and be able to get everything we want and it's the right thing to do and can do it right now. larry: the president said any of the dei elite universities and any of them. dei and anti-semitism over a billion dollars in endowment going for them. they're not talking about that in the budget resolution and lindsey graham saying the biggest issue in the election was the border. it was not. i want to close the border, i want to deport the criminals,

that's not at stake. but the biggest issue was the economy. spending inflation, prices, and taxes. ththat was the biggest and shall republicans walk away from laffer curve going to walk from tax cuts and republicans get in trouble, steve moore. >> my favorite modern day philosopher spike lee going to do the right thing and right thing right now is cutting those taxes, i'm frustrated frankly with the republicans and why is this taking so long? larry, there's an extremely popular president and shall be who has a mandate from the voters and got a republican house, a republican senate, you've got some troubled spots on the economy right now meaning that we need to get something done quickly. your friends -- and my friends on wall street nervous about the direction of this and my mentor arthur laffer taught me, me made a big mistake in 1981 not

getting that tax bill done and delaying and do it now and deal with all the others. put it up, go for a down vote in the house and senate and going for tax cuts personal and going to want the every american family with 3,000 tax increase next year and has to get done quickly. larry: they're counter inflationary and produce more goods and bring down prices. arthur, on that point, we have a lingering bidenflation problem. cpi and producer price index coming in way over target. last three month cpi i don't have in front of me but 4% something at annual rate and how can that be good. put up on the chart and you've run this in the proses perty and way out and nine times out of ten, that's an inflationary indicator and inflationary

signal and gold is closing in on $3,000. i'm saying, arthur, we've got to worry about inflation also here and what's your take on that? >> well, my take, larry f you look at dollar and foreign exchange is the dollar is depreciated enormously last year and it was a deflation natural rights approach thing and it's really good for inflationary calls and going to get it here in the process and greater supply and shield and economy going six months in and getting those numbers coming down substantially. i do not think trump is an inflationary president. larry: no, he's not. >> i don't think there'll be inflation, and i think we'll see that inflation number coming down dramatically. that's what i'm saying. larry: if these senators don't

get trump's program in the fullest extent is absolutely pro growth and counter inflationary. when you look at whole program. >> 100% right. larry: steve moore, arthur has been very pain pained and can'te done. last thought, arthur. >> the budget is a disaster and looking at first four months of the federal spending up $300 billion over last year and there's another $2 trillion tax increase and tax deficits and you've got to get the taxes done to get the growth up. getting 3% growth, all the deficit problems start to go away, larry. you bend that debt curve around. growth. growth.growth.

larry: i'm telling you -- >> can i make one comment, larry. larry: elon musk has got several trillion out of the budget. >> going for 150. going for them with 150. we'll see. >> you're a promising young man, larry. promising young man. larry: love it. art laffer and steve moore. can't be better than that. coming up, is eric adams a goner in new york? we'll ask joe concha and mark simon next up. ♪ (psst psst) ahhhh...

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larry: so is eric adams a goner in new york city? joining us now, hall of famer mark simon, woar raid koenen show and joe concha. what do you think, joe? >> we can rest easy, larry. reverend al. he's an msnbc host and he's faring well in this and doesn't sound much like saving democracy if you're going to remove eric adams, who hasn't been found guilty of anything yet and install somebody. it's weird the democratic party

was going to install themselves. going to install it before and going again with a very good point. larry: the original counter indictment and that's when the government from virginia and his wife took china from their mansion and otherwise he hasn't done anything and took plane tickets and speeding up the turkish embassy and they're throwing him out because of that. no, they're throwing him out because they're cooperating and trump and tom homan. >> some worried they gave trump some dirt on letitia james or had some dirt on katie hochul. who knows -- kathy hochul. who knows. is he innocent? going for chris christie going to hold a press conference and i'll answer any question and instead hadn't done that and going to see what the retired mcspeech -- rhythmic speeches where everything rhymes.

larry: i hope he does better than chris christie. >> it's hard to miss chris christie. larry: have something nicer. donald trump at the speedway with his granddaughter is the most beautiful viz usual ever. trump is so darn popular and really see it up on the wall. look at that picture. a picture is worth thousands, millions of votes. and of course the beast lapped the speedway. if we have that and just like the beast, just like trump is lapping the democratic party. joe concha, the democrats do not know what to do about these kinds of visuals or stories that trump does routinely. >> flooding the zone on an hourly basis and just did a live presser before announcing new tariffs as well and other executive orders. yeah, between the super bowl that had 127 million viewers on linear tv. larry: whoa. >> all time record on fox and going for the daytona 50 and

20 million viewers there and he knows how to seize every moment. then what do we see from the flip screen. going for federal dc buildings on weekdays or a lot of loud noises and screaming. larry: f bombs rather than the solution. >> right. larry: mark simon, democrats can't possibly catch up and he'll continue. i expect mr. trump to continue the blitz. >> people don't realize, daytona 500 and don't realize how important nascar is. if you don't understand nascar, you don't understand america. trump fit right in. imagine elizabeth warren and nascar yelling at the crowd about fossil fuel and bernie sanders and nassau county darling stone going it's too -- nascar going it's too loud. larry: i can almost see him there. >> he's barn storming nebraska and iowa speak out against doge. larry: elon musk and trump on hannity tonight. going to be a great show.

>> phenomenal. you'll hear them at length and understand what it's all about. >> they're getting along fine. if trump is comfortable sharing an oval office interview with him, there's no wedge. larry: joe concha and mark simon. you're really awesome. i'll be right back with my last word. i got to think of somethingya fast h. ♪ no. i can do some research. ya know, that's backed by j.p. morgan's leading strategists like us. when you want to invest with more confidence... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management (woman) did i read this? did i get eggs? where are my keys? (vo) don't wait while memory and thinking issues pile up. ...

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larry: all right don't forget musk and trump on hannity tonight. it's going to be a barn-burner and by the way, musk is just getting started with the doge story.

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