listen to this. >> -- >> proposing -- beginning -- to americans, based on what doge is finding, do you. >> i love it 20%, dividends so to speak for money that we are saving, by going after waste, fraud abuse all other things that are happening i think a great idea. >> how much money do you think. >> a lot, 20% give back a lot of money to the taxpayer. also, incentive for the taxpayer to go out and report things. >> trump speaking on wasteful spending alleged widespread fraud doge found. >> we are also finding tremendous abuse waste and fraud in social security, social security, is what is happening there, is going to be one of the great potential scandals in history. on the program there over 4.7

million social security numbers from people from 100 years old to 109, think of that, now over 100 there aren't a lot of people that make it hopefully most people in this room will make it. >> in interview with sean hannity explaining importance of cost-cutting. >> i want to people if we don't solve the deficit there won't be money for medic carry for social security, even deficit all we're dock is paying debt, it is got to be solved or no medical care no social security no nothing has to be solved nottings onnal will go bankrupt if not done. that is why i am here. >> for for people towns doing a big job a very thankless job it is a thankless job but helping us to save our country, our country is in serious trouble. and i had to get the best guy. >> administration money movers

don't stop there, yesterday the president signed an executive order i understanding all federal taxpayer benefits to illegal migrants directs federal departments agencies to identify stop funding efforts, at the department of defense pete hegseth is ordering the pentagon make plans for major budget cuts of their own hegseth want to cut 8% from defense budget every year for next five years. maria: thanks very much brooke singman so much to talk about here, with this doge findings, wow! getting to be a the lot of money president trump talks about millions accepting social security checks up to 10109 goes up to 150 years old one person on the list that doge found 360 years old. >> 360 years old getting is his checks, okay, like automatic pilot money goes out, that is what american people are finally saying enough is enough, doge is

greatest american experiment in my lifetime last time this happened under president reagan the commission found 100 million dollars fraud, waste abuse look at deficits, 37 trillion dollars, elon musk promised through president trump american people going to cut two trillion going to chip away at that deficit i believe, in my lifetime going to continue to see balanced budgets because of president trump. >> when you look at dollars, it erodes confidence of americans, wait a minute i have been paying into this system my entire life, and now you are telling me for the first time there is all outrages expenditures? what have i paid into? this is going to have a tremendous impact on americans as they view government we know from polling that americans really don't trust government, and political miscalculation last election

americans really are bought into government they are not, part of it is because programs like this. maria: then we have -- doge uncovering four million government credit cards four million government kradz 90 million dollars in unique transactions a lot of spending credit card at defense department i asked pete hegseth about it here is what he said two weeks ago. >> so tell us about to have upcoming look at spending at defense department should we expect hundreds of billions of dollars in wasteful spend there go? >> unfortunately, i think so, the fact that i have to commit, maria, to audit being done in four years is bad enough, pentagon should be able to pass a budget right now we need to know when we spend dollars where they go, why simply accounting that has not existed at defense department we are going to fix that we know in america's 37 trillion dollars in debt, resources will not be

unlimited every dollar we can find that humans spent wisely toward war fighters we welcome doge at dod. >> i don't know how you defend this mark the democrats are trying to attack elon musk how do you did he have what he is how do you not did he have what he is doing how do you criticize that. mark: identifying where dollars miss appeared wasted disparing into a black hole should be celebrating you've got democrats pushing back my opinion if you are pushing back you are probably complicit doing something long you don't want to be exposed but as it relates to doge dividend checks, i hear what both of you are saying like from a psychological standpoint it could bring trust in do have the but economic standpoint i believe we need to close the deficit

we need to start chisel away at the debt, if we have an opportunity for our deficit to go from two trillion a year to a trillion, but we decide instead going to give some of that money back to the american taxpayers that increases the deficit again would be inflationary. maria: i agree with you you don't know why we need to send checks people if we were in a recession i can understand, people you know, need the help, yes, inflation cutting to wages has been a major issue but the deficit and the debts are really -- the core reason to be going under the hood, and looking for all this waste. 2024 deficit highest has ever been outside of a recession or emergency committee for responsible budget says 2024 deficit 1.8 billion, two trillion dollars 76%, congress

not talking about mandatory programs layoffs in government, irs reportedly set to layoff roughly 6,000 today part of trump administration plan to shrink federal workforce a termination will target relatively recent hires at biden administration tempted to to revitalize wanted 80,000 new irs agents to try to come up with, new tax revenue, trump is firing them all. mark: they wanted armed, irs agents i o love what they said so far about really, moving those armed irs agents down to the border. >> or lose your job or since you have the ability to carry a weapon send you to border enforce things down there keep your job, but this whole irs thing i mean, the -- i know several people going through audits right now with

brand-new irs auditors never done it before. it is completely unnecessary, and for those people who are being audited that are business owners it will detract from what you do as base it will prevent from you hiring people, so it is counterproductive. maria: you know what lindsey group looking at research can doge induce a recession? >> they are asking this question. >> i think this is all the hypocrisy, thousand throwing weight around they never rebranded never learned anything from kamala harris's loss, to your point mark about irs agents, they were probationary, you don't have an entitlement in america that you get a government job these are earned jobs time to hit the door we need to reduce the size of government. maria: point larry lindsey making says that when you put things in perspective cutting federal spending by one

trillion dollars would directional reduce gdp by 3%, if the resources liberate braitsdz do to the fine productive use elsewhere larry lindsey on doge, a short break then getting started civil rights group suing trump over executive orders cancellation dei, we reaction, you are watching "mornings with maria" live on "fox stay with ♪ . gloria ♪ ♪ gloria, gloria, i think they got ♪ ♪ gloria, i think they got, gloria ♪ ♪ oh yeah. consolidate bad debt and save money for your next goal. sofi personal loans. low, fixed rates. borrow up to $100k. no fees required. where ya headed? susan: where am i headed? am i just gonna take what the markets gives me? no. i can do some research.

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free speech they hurt their ability to help marginalize communities, a federal judge temporarily stopping cia and dni from firing employees working dei related rolls ingenuous me counselor to the president alina. >> thank you for having me. >> what about lawsuits the administration facing more than 70 lawsuits what can you tell us? >> well used to it let's start there, it is a cyclical lashback to stop exactly what american people mandate to priest government waste find accountability transparency exactly what president trump ordered why spending so much money on countries for di initiatives condoms to other countries including hamas castration funding castration the types of things we are

finding, more importantly we found 4.7 billion dollars in line number we can't create as money a line number to fund usaid things that were probably enriching bureaucrats a problem they are going to scream, yell sue us the record on their track record frankly not good they keep trying to stopthing we are allowed to do protect the american people. >> unbelievable i was reading around 4.6 million credit cards, within government doge identified but there is only three million total federal employees. >> how about the social security numbers? looking at fact paying social security to people that are over 300 years old, i'm not sure if you met that person i most certainly have not from my -- 224 years old was oldest ever lived -- look, it is not funny, it is serious, because we want to know where this

money was going, and the people that are upset frankly they don't want transparency clutching pearls, american people voted for this we want money into american taxpayer dollars a right to know how money is spent if federal was . >> i don't think the resistmost as given president huge win popular vote all swing states the ninth circuit court of appeals refusing to move a block on president trump's birthright ban the supreme court is that where this is going. >> i don't doubt that when we did this knew it something would be taken up to the supreme court, that is not something will unfortunately, that we are not used to, president trump, as you know,

face on tv four years under this lawfare desperate attempts to use court systems judicial system stop real yack a game that is losing, they loss tremendously on november 5, because of it, i don't think they got the memo to be honest american people are tired wanted change vaetd for change we are going to give them. >> how about congestion pricing fight kathy hochul vowing to challenge the president decision to end congestion pricing and halt approval, for new york city pricing program watch this. >> we have a lot of legal reasons why we know going to be victorious, but i want to also say, if you love congestion praising or hate it this it tactic on swovent our independence from washington. >> this is a great topic for me my husband works in new

york, and i can tell you congestion parking does not work does not drive economics of new york stops tourism stops government and mid level employees people making minimum wage for able to go to work during the day because being double taxed double taxed so she can enrich herself governor hochul should be phase of the resistance democrat party why they lost governor hochul kamala harris letitia james under chuck schumer have been a huge voice for the republicans because reminding american people why we voted for trump, that is because it makes no sense, congestion pricing has slowed down new york, has cost american people a lot of money, nobody can explain why hochul is so for congestion pricing it is outrageous, that new york used to be one of the greatest cities in the country. we will make it that way again we will make it safe and we will allow tourism people to drive to work announcement

safe subways she should be facing on, doing right things for constituents in that city her resistance is frankly more in my opinion a pr move than anything realistic gfgs pricing wrong doesn't work s sean duffy did a good job getting rid of it. >> pam bondi launched situation into sanctuary cities probably find where money has gone in many cases to go housing care for illegal migrants in the city isn't that right. >> one hundred percent you are right we are looking at irs,ers, is sending money, looking at cutting that money that is funded taxpayer american taxpayer immigrants came in correct away they are taking their way giving to illegal migrants no different than 10,000 dollar credit cards they get hotel rooms they got mostly in new york city funded they sent, you know over 40 million dollars rushed it to hotels to fund them so you want to take our

money, give them our hotels make our cities less safe, by the way, double tax you on congestion pricing a disaster -- got to shop. maria: a it was fine for eric adams? now on the other side federal judge is waiting to decide whether to dismiss corruption charges against new york city mayor eric adams, accused of accepting more than 100 now dollars killing campaign cross-examines luxury travel gifts from turkish official we don't know where kathy hochul is going to take this alina. >> another problem their own city fighting their own states fighting like that, you have to look at the track record, i leave details to the doge looking without eric adams case i can say that as an american who is watched lawfare past four years been part of it, i find it strange that eric adams, who was

antisanctuary city, antikeeping new york a cesspool would think hard the minute pushed back on biden administration, so, i will let details get hashed out in courts on that one smells fishy. >> great to see you this morning. thanks so much. >> thank you alina at the white house stay with us. we'll be right back. .

maria: welcome back, futures about one who are and five minutes before opening bell thursday dow industrials down 140, nasdaq down 48 s&p 500 pulling back from another record high yesterday s&p down 17 and change look at yesterday, investors brush off tariff nears dow industrials, close up 71 s&p up 15, and nasdaq higher by 15 as well. year-to-date money has gone into stocks, dow industrials up almost 5% s&p 500 up 4 1/2%, nasdaq up almost 4%, joining us now former bank of america vice chairman the market ignores fares over tariffs how do you see 25 playing out i think a good year a choppy year, in an up trend, you make a good point

about tariffs. i naut on the risk side people seem the market right now very about tariffs the bark worst than bite. but if we get other than that, i think you can see reaction near-term in the markets we don't know what impact license to practice until how big how much broad importantly what would reaction of the rest of the world be to tariffs. mark and i talking earlier that inflation is still an issue. >> certainly an issue, we saw numbers last week. mark: part of why walmart guidance was a little soft inflation, potentially tariffs stuff like that. i you know, i want to get your take but i like the fact that volatility is coming back to the market. i like the fact that we're expecting more pullbacks this year if you have a plan as an investor, you can take advantage of those pullbacks to boost the quality of your

poverty. as an example when nvidia was close to 150 a year there were probably a ton of retail investors would say man if that thing ever gets back to 120 i'm going to buy a lot of it, it got to about 116 my guess is they probably didn't pull the trigger i think the key a plan. >> i agree with that mark one of the things that changed into 2025 we were at, record levels bullishness, on the part of investors always bearish, over last few weeks or so, the percentage of bullish investors has gone down percentage of bearish up, i think a good thing i kind of look at it when president trump was elected, unleashed euphoria people were able to daydream about what could be. and the golden age, that you will. now to '25 transition to what could be to what will be, as policies take shape, to what

is, as they get implemented, i think to earlier question will cause some choppiness as people process whether synched up with early suspecting expectations or not. >> look at fed sentiment completely changed looking to bet one more rate cut yields down 2 1/2 basis points 10-year at 4.50% january federal reserve minutes revealed, officials concerned about inflationary impact of president trump's policies, on trade and immigration, but, you know, the chairman the other day said is in no rush to cut rates. >> nor should be, i remember i was on right after 50 basis points cut debating was that a little bit too much too fast i think absence the question has been answered. they cut rates a hundred basis points over the course of a couple months end of the last year on short end, long went up 100 basis points i agree

with earlier points i think, if you look at personal s consumption and have index fed focuses on i think 2 1/2 to 3% headwinds, from the fact i think rent is going to start to go back up kind of we built a lot rents went high now balancing out supply and -- >> inflation housing crisis how does that impact consumer confidence, impact spending. >> as bifurcation if homeowner makes you feel good, excess cash strong job market financial and housing markets have been nice tailwind for you if in sidelines trying to get in, and you see that -- that mortgage rate hovering at

levels near 7%, that is going to be, i think the bifurcation will increase walmart has encouraging signs that consumer is hanging in there, but i think as year goes on driving force will be more higher end higher income consumer versus lower end really feeling the impact. >> i am not surprised that walmart, and reaction, first of all the stock up almost 30% in six months, the stock has done well, the fact that we don't certainty in terms of what happens with tariffs whether or not going to be able to continue selling all cheap goods from china, that is what is happening, better than 8% look at chart last six months. >> one of the best consumer staple toelz own you look at that performances versus a target obviously, is more discretionary, and walmart has been trouncing target over the course last several years,

jool i pointed out about the consumer. >> i also want to go back to one other question, immigration policy, maria, mentioned that how is going to to impact we have some are certainty we are watching everything that president trump promised he is delivering so where is immigration in terms of stock pricing? >> i think will depend on pace magnitude, right now focus seems i think is on getting illegal migrants out who are criminal i don't think going to impact our economy that is good thing. maria: let's get to breaking news jobless claims cheryl casone. cheryl: tracking these as you look at government jobs but 219,000 a little bit higher than expected 215. continuing coming in 1.869 million shy of estimate 1.871 million to come in 20 came in 40.5. maria: markets, are down but down going into the number, keith your thoughts on how do you want to allocate capital

this year. >> we certainly are still -- i think stocks will continue to outperform fixed income a flurry good activity in the international markets going into the '25 we think ultimately because of the strong gdp stronger earnings growth for technology tailwinds in the u.s., u.s. will continue to outperform the rest of the world, so we would be flel vested to mark point if points pullback buyers into that, then i think the end of the year i think the market will track earnings and earnings we think will be up 10%. maria: okay, all right. . >> three straight years double-digit movers if that happens, quick break no more money for illegal migrants president trump signing executive order suspending, going to those programs kelly

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. >> i love it 20%, dividends so to speak for money that we are saving by going waste, fraud abuse i that i great idea. >> could be a lot, 20% give back a lot of money to the taxpayer. also, give incentive for the taxpayer to go out and report things to us where we can -- >> president trump backing a plan would give doge savings to the american taxpayer, joining me fox news contributor former senior counselor to president trump kellyanne conway great to see thank you idea of doj to cut into waste, fraud i prefer seeing that go to be honest

toward debt defendant president trump wants to give back to voters. >> have i think a combination of both plenty of billions if not trillions all to do would like to provide doge dividend to taxpayers let's face it a taxpayers, on the hook for nonsense programs being exposed president trump elon musk allowing us to peek under the had to with them they have rolling register of fraud, waste abuse a programs but president trump said maybe 20% to doge dividend maybe 20% to pay down debt aware that if you don't do that taxpayers are on the hook, yet again so whether i think all about fairness, kamala harris and her campaign said i am not just for equal equality of opportunity fair quality outcomes that is what equity is faifrns is quality of opportunity the president is saying i want to rightsize our system, people feel just not fair, to see illegal immigrants come here a kroord

cash hotel rooms in new york city saying i want to be more fair to those paying their fair share into the system. maria: people are celebrating look at recent cbs poll saying 53% americans agree with are happy with president trump right now. >> they are, approval ratings never this high, and some most presidents get what you call honeymoon period president trump did not because people were skeptical had been embarrassed did not not only not want him to win predicted wouldn't win they embarrassed themselves this time giving president trump space grace to succeed. , maria, the interest rates unemployment rates consumer confidence small business confidence in fact 71% new jobs government said -- all that want to get back donald trump promised, they broke it

i will fix it adjunct they neglected it i will tackle it so playing wait and see i think higher number in polls, animates me, you have support in murder keeping promises made so these weren't typically projects they were a blew print for governing america see that. >> incredible 30 days executive orders signed executive order yesterday, stopping all federal benefits for illegal migrants directing agencies identify cancels programs, throwing support behind house budget resolution plan pushing for what he called one big, beautiful bill senate bill on two track system preparing a vote on its own two part budget plan today prioritizing more than for border prioritizing more than for defense, but not including tax cuts. >> i will be working with the republican congress, to pass the largest tax cuts in

american history we are going to dismal cut taxes for families and workers and for companies including no tax on tips and hopefully no tax on social security and no tax on overtime. that overtime one is a sleeper because i think a lot of people are going to be spurred on to do a lot of extra work when they hear that a lot of companies like it a lot of people really like it. >> we've got to see how congress will execute president trump's agenda there, but i want to get your take what president said greatest legacy will be president trump, said that he is greatest legacy will be as a peacemaker as a unifier, the president is pushing ukraine to hold elections, calling zelenskyy a dictator right now trump said he is open to meeting he go with vladimir putin end of the month i want your take on this foreign policy issues seem to be rankling some. >> my hope that my greatest legacy will be as a peacemaker and unifier that would be

great legacy. . [applause] . so in conclusion the golden age of america is upon us i'm inviting everyone here today an every citizen across our land to take part in the most extraordinary period of peace prosperity growing innovation wealth a creation expansion the world has ever seen. >> your reaction. >> nothing -- is producing results already couple things, when president trump talks about, extending -- jobs absent 2017 important we had 100 corporate incursions, companies going offshore, legally putting jobs, they said i would love to make things nu.s sa hire american workers can't afford it did not have one after that, jobs act. maria: ireland corporate tax is 9%. >> so happy to be back here, and he is offering incentivizing people will tell

you tariffs your decision not his your choice if you don't want tariffs make more in the country, balance out export import reciprocal trade deal in ukraine a huge mistake for zelenskyy, in munich security conference over the weekend a mistake for him to attack president trump and peace process negotiation process presumptive negativity i think proper response for president zelenskyy when heard negotiations would have been thank you so much, where we do we show up to help get this done in europe want a seat at the table time not just to show up it is time to pony up america first should not be america only pays first it feels that way to so many american citizens i believe president trump on track to be peacemaker unifier in middle east with ukraine russia on southern border to make people feel safe, secure things are

fair fairness over work -- workness strength over weakness if i were i think most important thing president trump suggested about zelenskyy better, come -- to table fast or may not have a country, to see, it is time, we're going to have the fourth year of war -- next tuesday the guy let me ask everybody if you had kamala harris for four, eight years you roils bloodshed carnage in ukraine nothing could have schooid keith kellogg the special envoy spoke in munich made news there, he said here is our plan was asked by i thought -- moderator, trying to track him was great, general kellogg said i don't think europe should expect to be at the table we are going to take this on the interests will be expressed there but, you know, it takes american leadership, you know it does. maria: i thought a brilliant idea to get some stake in the

rare earth minerals, when secretary went there zelenskyy apparently was sleeping -- of this counter offered, i think secretary bessent as recently that is morning two important things number one said was told that president zelenskyy going to go sign that document in munich where met with where -- met with vance that dominant not signed, if somebody offers you something counter of our don't walk away, number two this morning secretary bessent said everything donald trump is doing is disinflationary this is important the fed coming up, because you've got to price in to tariffs price in, dereg price in smaller federal government from anotherprint after doge energy dominance priced in. maria: great to see you -- >> see you later kellyanne conway we'll be right back don't miss interview with hundred gar yoorn prime

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dictator without elections zelenskyy better move fast nor he is not going to have a country left got to move got to modify fast the war is going in the wrong direction meantime we are successfully negotiating an end to war with russia. maria: a president trump slamming ukraine president zelenskyy, urging him quickly make a peace deal with russia j.d. vance warning zelenskyy top bad-mouthing trump and united states, after zelenskyy accused of the president of living in quote russian dismisinformation, said trashing trump is atrocious way to deal with this administration the political dreshg to hungarian prime victoror about an baläzs organ your reaction between president trump and zelenskyy. >>good morning thanks for having me, i think, the best news is that after three hard

years we have a negotiation, between united states, and russia and this is very important, because this war is it has a devastating, i think on america definitely on europe and hungary ended as quickly as possible, what president trump said is just fact you don't argue with facts, you try to make a deal. maria: a what is the sentiment in europe right now former uk prime minister boris johnson said trump comments on ukraine are intend to shock europe into johnson wrote when we europeans when are we going to stop being scandalized by donald trump and help him end to war can save 00 blonds frozen russian assets mainly in belgium to compensate for

us for support. balazk what are your thoughts. >> the worrimongers liberals in shock, good news for those who want to have a peace. around ukraine last -- three years that was a -- a plan how to win the war but it failed it failed miserably. talking about hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people dying, millions leaving the country the country, bankruptcy, eyes on foreign eyed we should realize the situation is changing and we should end this war quickly just that was news about the negotiations between america and russia immediately energy prices went down immediately stock markets went up, immediately the hungarian

currency became stronger i think we should push back the warmonger liberals actually behind biden the last three years and they were arguing in favor of continuation of the war for what? we should stop this as much and as quickly as we can. maria: right, and i know what you are referring to, when you are talking about foreign policy issues everything the war, but, you europeans are upset or unsure of president trump's tariffs as well, i mean, macron called for emergency meeting about trump in europe do they not understand what this president is efforting. >> i think brussels mortgage isolated power center, what they did three years cuttu cut ties with russians, because of the war, and russia was most important supply energy for europe they started trade war

against china, and although chinese biggest market for europe, and mocking president trump for years although he is the president of united states. so, it means that they are totally dead-end street totally isolated they can't find a way out this is why there is a lot of frustration, in -- in brussels, my concern is not america is having, america first policy, i think it is great it is great for americans great for my country as well because americans can have america first policy then my country hungary can have hungary first policy as well, based on having basis we can have, a very good deal. my concern is delayed by brussels liberals not the able

to defend their own interests they are -- attacking by words everybody who wants to make good with details with them this should be stopped. >> what is your sense of communicate backdrop when i was in davos this year all about trump conversations about you optimism over united states trump reigniting this some of them, compared to europe, which has structural issues, a lot of negativity about europe right now how would you -- assess the backdrop in terms of the economy? >> i think now we have a, problem in europe, the strongest country is in europe, france and o remember germany they have leadership problems, brussel bureaucracy led by liberals same ideas by

joe biden and his team four years hood terrible consequences if new type of leadership tlle elections the type governments getting stronger want to push back the liberals kick them out from brussels as a it is happened in d.c.. >> great to have this conversation thanks for being here please come back thank you, sir. >> thank you very much take care. >> balazk orbán in hungary. omg? uh... oh, i see. uh... yeah. that's the department i work in. alright, enough of that. it's odd how in an instant things can transform. slipping out of balance into freefall. i'm glad i found stability amidst it all. gold. standing the test of time.

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maria: welcome back. 30 minutes before the opening bell for a thursday, let's check markets. down a 154 on the dow industrials. final thoughts, mark tepper. >> i'm going to to buy some palantir today. down 10% yesterday, down 3 in the premarket due to projected pentagon spending cut, but when you're trying to do more with less, you need a.i. maria: i like it. michael balboni. >> donald trump is trying to settle the wars in gaza and ukraine, it's a good move. maria: you would think. we all want peace. >> and i think birthright citizenship is going to end. i believe the supreme court's going to reset american values, culture and make sure that americans get american jobs, citizenship -- maria: all right. we'll see you tomorrow, everybody. "varney & company" picks it up. stu, take it away. stuart: good morning, everyone. the cuts and the doge