>> hello, folks. welcome to kudlow, i 'm larry kudlow. doge defendant checks and tax cuts high on the

president's agenda. and more government on the doge chopping block. katie pavlich and by byron donalds waring in. and how do we weep c keep china out of panama canal. but first peter doocy live from the white house. reporter: it was inspiring i took it to ho ho white house briefs room this afternoon, and a asked steven miller, how these checks could work. >> doge dividend checks. >> the way it works, when

you achieve savings, you could return it to taxpayers or our debtors or can be cycled to next year's budget, then it lowers overall baseline for next year. >> reporter: there is brought bipartisan agreement wasteful programs and duplicate payments should be canceled but some republicans think that the doge money should be focused elsewhere. >> well, if there is money left, after we address inflation. and the debt, and the deficit, it always a good idea to send taxpayers their money back, when we're 36 trillion in debt, we dug ourselves a deep hole. we need to address that first. reporter: and something else stephen miller told me, checks would not be arriving any time soon would be part of comal budgeting process

that takes a v very long time. larry: peter doocy thank you. >> give president trump what he wants right now, that is the subject of the riff. a month into president trump's golden age second term his economic policy is very clear. shrink the government, and turn the savings over to stacks taxpayers. two points stand out, first a doge dividend in cards, perhaps 5,000 a head. as elon musk and company blow up the waste, fraud and abuse and corruption endemic to the dcswamp, and mr. trump wants his tax cuts and now. no republicans in the senate or the house should stand in the way of these trumpian priorities, one reasons, they are good policies, to grow the economy, and

produce a new blue collar boom, he is the president, he won the election by a wide margin, carrying popular vote and all 7 swing states. therefore congress, i am could -- thinking right now senate in particular some give president what he is asking for immediately. >> i'll be working with cond republican congress to pass largest tax cuts in american history, that includes -- yeah, that includes we have to extend trump tax cuts, no tax on tips and hopefully no tax on social security and no tax on overtime, that overtime one is a sleeper, a lot of people will be spurred on to do a lot of extra work. . larry: there is the list of tax cut promises during the

campaign. he wants promises made, promises kept, and the republican congress must give it to him. trump ran on this commitment to his working class coalition. and let me remind from president trump's truth social quote yesterday, house resolution implements my full american first agenda, everything not just parts we need both chambers to pass house budget to kick-start reconciliation process, amove all our priorities to the concept of one big beautiful bill. by the way, vice president jd vance told cpac this today. >> i talked with president about this yesterday, he said, it is very rare that you can get two reconciliation bills done in one congress, that is why he thinks we have to do a lot with that one big beautiful bill. dage. larry: mr. trump signed on

idea of a doge dividend check. >> i love it 20%, dividend, for the money that we're saving, by going after the waste and fraud and ap abuse. i think it is a great idea, 20% would give pack a lot of money to the tax payers. and also, it would given sensitive for taxpayers to go out and report things to us to save money. larry: mr. trump warmed up to idea that a republican budget resolution should include a plug that would represent at least a trillion dollars of doge savings. >> to make cuts. >> -- i think we'll take in tremendous tariff money, and you look at dom doge we're saving billions. larry: i will reference senator mike crapo aren't republican chair of finance committee, that

budget reconciliation rules permit budget committees to form their own pace line including a current policy that would score the tax cuts at natural and cbo must react to republican budget b baseline rather than the other way. please, give president trump what he wants. and let him have it now, all right, talk about this, joining us, florida congressman byron donalds and katie pavlich. fox news contributor. welcome to you both. we'll start -- i hate to, another steve miller quote. listen. >> just take this opportunity to note, that president trump has mid a historic commitment to working class of this country to fight for major

tax relief, and major price relief, and cutting spending as doge is doing and cutting taxes is key to delivering on those promises. larry: there you have it, steve miller, with that story right. congressman byron donalds welcome, sir, start with you. i don't know why senate has to are have a budget resolution. i don't understand it we could bless lindsey graham up and down the line but he has never been for tax cuts. never a supply side person, and i look at lindsey graham he is asking for what spend 400 billion, no tax cuts. no doge savings i might add, there is no spending restrain. he -- let's cut deficit next year by 1 billion it will be is that it?

i don't know. they should give trump what he wants, he is the president. it is his promises, and his election that got the majority there. >> well, larry, a couple things, with when senate trying to do, not one billion -- that is in the invinstruction they create a floor, they have fill that floor up with necessary cuts but 350 pi50 billion for border or defense we'll spend it regardless, issue is how you arrive on getting the whole agenda done, i have been agnostic about how many bills it takes to get there i think knowing dynamics on on capitol hill, the issue will be mandatory spending as long as we get to agreement on mandatory spending, what we'll cut, where and how that bring down the budget deficit, then it will be easy, i

think tack poll -- tax policy is sit, there is broad agreement on what needs to be in there linchpin of that deal will remain man mandatory spending. members are committed to having this be deficit natural, they will want to see us follow the steps of doge, and now do the same level of work in the mapper mand mandatory spending. dagen: katie. hang on,. >> byron, i would think that we can do a lot petter than reducing next year's deficit by a billion. it will be two trillion, this year's deficit, fy 25, as you may know, is coming in way over original estimates and way ahead of last year, you could look at 2 1/2 trillion dollar deficit, we're only cutting by one billion?

i think -- i have to tell you, that is why this is no meat on those bones and why that game is not worth the candle and lindsey graham should toe the presidential line. >> i will say, and i'll let katie weigh in in house's resolution, the calls for one .5 trillion in cuts there is an amendment if you want to open more dollar for tax policy you have to cut more mandatory spending, in the house, and senate, we have republican colleagues who are red s sent in heavy lefting, the senate hassa adopt that and broad buy in across the board to get it done. i want to tell everyone tack

policy is not the issue, inch aflees we'll get it done, but -- tax policy is not the issue, everyone agrees we'll get it done it is mandatory spending, we're talking interests some national debt we're have to cut some mandatory spending. and to be clear, cutting that is not paying for tax cuts, i that is ridiculous, washington, d.c. math. cutting mandatory spending is about future fiscal while of america. dagen: katy, the tax cuts, the extended tax cuts, should be done -- mike crapo can get it right, you can create your own budget baseline, all about current policy, and the deficit impact should be neutral. they have been in place for 7 years, they are popular and permanent they will pass again, no reason to fifth it over to cbo -- no reason to give it over to cbo . but katie, why not, a lot of

this can be discretionary spending, i agree with byron, some las to lock at mandatory, that is not social security or medicare. mandatory means, explosive welfare budgets that higher than pre-pandemic. no work requirements, a lot of ffor small businesses. and sure, there is room on mandatory bucket, not talking about bucket for social security and medicare. i'm talking about the other bucket for so-called smaller mandatories. >> as we're learning as doge continues its r rampage through tc, this is fraud everywhere, including social security.

you are not touchi what needs to be done, the key point if we don't deal with this issue of spending, mandatory or discretionary. country will go bankrupt, and nobody will have social security. 2340eor medicaid and med medicare or any services if we don't get this under control. this idea to pay for tax cuts? federal government is taking in more money, than it has in history of the country. and what is really refreshing about having businessmen in charges of this administration starting with president trump, on down to the people he has put around him, whether in cabinet or special appointees, as elon musk is, that they look at this as american people's money. they don't look at like monopoly money, or at their money, they don't say taxpayer money, na --

they say the american people's money, it is refreshing hearing them talk about giving it back to them, and i think it great that we're have a discussion during tax season, everyone is filing their taxes. looking at the percentage they pay, to the state government and federal government, they could use refreshing as well, their own doge teams. they say, why is it this i'm going to work, paying for all of these programs, that are not benefiting me, and sent out in a lot of ways frfraudulently or fund the left's infrastructure. whether to grants or other means like in georgia right now with epa sending stacy abrams 2 billion, that is insane. larry: take that b give to do taxpayers.

that sounds like it is worth it. byron, my other point, political, on many occasions, now, in this new year, in since he was inaugust inaugurated and before, president trump asked for one big beautiful bill, he want tax cuts and the base, new republican party, of working class voters, and so on, that he will make good on his promise. he is asked for it again, and again. and he just did it yesterday, on truth social, i would say to you, you all should give it to him, because he won the election, this is coattails, he made promises if you don't get it done, and you don't let him have his way, then, you are sitting yourself up for huge loss in 2026. but why, do against the president now? look at his momentum. lock at his popularity, at his polls, strike while the iron is hot, i bet you can

get more tax cuts and more spending cuts today and next few weeks than you could ever get if you wait until the second half of the year or next year strike while the iron is hot. >> larry, i agree, if it were up to my it would have been cut with a month ago. the same dynamics that katie is raising around mandatory spending, we know what the issues are, in the federal budget on capitol hill. the real question is, the republicans whoen to want to cut spending because they are afraided of losing elections or bad press in their district. that is the issue. on capitol hill. we could cut this deal right now, we know the areas to go the fraud and waste in medicaid, and illegals in social security, and medicare, we know where it is, but there are members, in the republican conference, in the house, and senate, who are afraid of actually casting a vote

for the fiscal while of the america. have them come on the show, bring them, let's have tthis conservation, a lot of smiles and happiness, i want to meet them, one thing they did. mr. trump put out an executive order, i read it last night, no money to illegals, no more activities. what is that worth? worth something. couple hundred billion. i'm guessing. and he -- he has been for all his cabinet numbers. >> that we know of. larry: for work requirements and well snap, food sph stamps or welfare, have you seen increase in made medicaid in last 4 years, can't go on. >> the one -- one of the biggest lf

last decade was that ill regular immigrants don't get obamacare, well, they do, as we see with president's executive order last night, saying they are no longer allowed to receive obamacare benefits, that are funded by the american taxpayers. and the bottom line, pushing tax cuts that need to be renewed off, is too big of a risk, i know that byron saying that everyone on the same page. but pushing it off, not getting it done early, sets it up so there is a closer timeline on that, if they are not permanent andl renewed that is a large tax increase. risk is very high. larry: you know. politically gain, you put tax cuts off, you put tack tax cut on back burner, you send the wrong message to the constituency that elected you. a bad message. >> tax season now, people

want a tax cut today, before april. >> everyone is teed off at taxes and irs, and they will throw stuff at us, i have on get out. my producers will throw stuff. i am saying, the guy want it now, congressman byron donalds thank you, and katie pavlich thank you. >> coming up next, keep china out of panama canal we talk about it with senator tom cotton next on kudlow. bh centrum silver is clinically proven to support memory in older adults. so you can keep saying, you mastered it! you fixed it! you nailed it! you did it! with centrum silver, clinically proven to support memory in older adults. (shower water runs) (♪)

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larry: welcome back, joining us, arkansas senator mr. tom cotton, author of a new book, 7 things you can't say about china. i want to ask you, you and republican senators have given mr. trump and rest of us kash patel, now the new fbi director, he is fantastic. why won't i give mr. trump his tax cuts. that is all he is asking forgive him tax cuts, you gave him kash patel. how about doubling it up. >> we're give him tax cuts and american people border security, and stronger military, and better energi

production, moving forward tonight on a budget that passed last week. and and tax cuts, we'll be happy to take it up. president will have options, a plan b on table, we hope house will pass a budget next week that includes all priorities and tax cuts. larry: a tom cotton promise, we'll hold you to it if house getting resolution in you will drop lindsey graham thing, and you back house bill. >> ending up in the same place, however we get there a secure border, stronger military, more emer. >> timing is crucial. it is everything, moving oi want to keep china out of western hemisphere out of

the panama canal, keep china out of greenland, out of arctic circle. and et cetera. this is western hemisphere, america first, keep them out, sir. about what should we do? >> that is right. i said, in 7 things you can't say about china, china is waging an economic world war against u.s. and china is preparing for road, part is inroads they have been trying to make to western hemisphere with chinese innow influenced businesses in the panama canal, i have legislation to withdraw china's permanent most favor nation status that helps super charge their economy. we need to take serious the threat to china poses, not in a abstract way but right now today to our way of life, to you and your

family, that is the alarm bell. >> can i follow-up on this moment favored nations, i don't know that people understand that. that say privilege, that brings china into the community of nations, world trade organization, but allows china to charge very high tariffs compared to our very low tariffs. and in so doing, they can export cheap stuff to u.s., do great damage to our industrial heartland and our economy, do you have a bunch of cosponsors, denying china most favored nation status. >> yes, it is worse than that, they rigged game in so many ways for their companies they man i manipulate their currently and give them subsidies and use slave labor for them.

they levee high tariffs or than you tariff barriers to trade into china, they are always finding ways to help their companies exp and undermine our companies that is why chinese's economy has grown s so much that is powering fastest military build up in world history. larry: back to panama canal, secretary of state rubio went there and had a good conversation with president of panama. are you satisfied, charge was, that china had important terminals at both ends of the canal. pacific and in atlantic. i am not seeing that rebutted, and not seen anything to suggested that has been fixed. you know more about it than i, what can you tell us, we can't let that happen?

>> that is true, china has some operations on both sides, ends of the canal, it has not been addresses yet, this is just a piece of what we are let china do. -- we have let china do, chinese comment and software, is in most of our ports in here and the world. it leaves us exposed. in a moment of tension with china, whether a tariff policy or potential conflict over taiwan, i call for in 7 things you can't say about china, a strategic dky k decoupling with their economy. larry: all right, got it senator tom cotton thank you, sir. we'll hold you to all your promise, including budget and tax cuts, his new book. ed if stuff. >> all right, coming up, is

the economy slipping, dow jones got whacked today, stocks, i think and the economy and business are crying out for tax cuts. okay. why not just give it to them light away, we have breitbart's john carney and our very own gerri willis on set, when kudlow returns, kudlow is available as a podcast, right after the show, on spotify, apple and fox business podcast to .com i'll be right back. can a personal loan unlock your ambitions? oh yeah. borrow up to a hundred thousand dollars to consolidate bad debt and save money for your next goal. take a swing at your kitchen reno... meant that literally. or design your actual dream wedding. consolidate bad debt and fund all your ambitions with a

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editor, knows and if hes thank you not know our own gerri willis knows. thank you. take a whack at it. >> talk about what happened to market. larry: if you want to talk 'something else this is a free speech show. >> is it really, just don't make she talk 'bonds and gold. it is walmart they had disappointing results and everyone jumps on that band bandwagon but nobody knows. larry: retail sales full almost a full 1% in january, and retail sales unless than 2 percentage rally rate, housing starts fell almost 10% in january, houses has opinion in recession for three years. and consumer price index, 4.

5%. annual rate for past 3 months. much worse in january, alone. i am saying. what it looks like, this is not trump's economy, not yet. the economy slipping lower, and inflation is slipping higher,. >> that is right, that is why stocks are down in my opinion, people realize fed can't cut anymore, that was providing a lot of juice, inflation is foing up. have to wonder what can we do to give economy a boost, we're not getting it through monetary easing, we should not, we need tax cuts. we need deregulation, that will help juice the economy, and what is happening, people are starting to be afraid that tax cuts are not coming in time. larry: i think it has filtered in, you are closer to market daily than i am, i talked to people and a lot of hedgeys. i think it is creeping in

there is worry that the bonus expensing could run out. 15% corporate -- 21% corporate p tax is permanent. i think in scw general if you hold back on tax cuts, you are sending the wrong message, oh, had is back burner. >> we thought they would start with it. larry: right. >> we thought it was job number one. first step out of chute would be taxes and cuts and that helps everyone. if helps people individual people who are paying $9 to get to this neighborhood we're sitting in. that congestion tax. i just want to say one thing. you know look, i think that there are glimmers in housing market. i will say it fast, numbers

that nobody talked about, you cited those who got most pressing, but listing prices are coming down. year-to-year, nobody talks about that, that is a price that people put out there. larry: because of recession. >> i think we'll get a correction in market, once prices creep back down then bares will creep in. larry: you want a countervailing idea with p-- professional investors way too bearish. i think if not recession, i think slowdown fears are creeping in everywhere. and i think price fears, inflation fears, which reduce the real value of everything. the mortgage rates are still 30-year fix john is 7%. that is all.

>> the -- it will get worse, because people we're going to get bad inflation numbers, the fed made a serious mistake when it cut in september, then in november, then in december, that was going to go down in history books, as terrible thing. we're seeing inflation not just in u.s., but in is a cross world look at u.k., through the roof, we see inflation grow that will hurt stocks, because that makes future income from those stocks worth less, interests have to stay higher. this is a big problem. and i do think that republicans have to get serious about trying to repair the economy, they cannot allow the you know all this budget nonsense, cut taxes now, worry about how you will balance the budget after. set the tax rate at appropriate rate to grow the economy then worry about where you are spending it. >> i don't want individual investors to follow the lead of the professionals, keep

investing in stocks. larry: individual investor that buy and hold, they are smartest kids on the block. >> they are. larry: you look at full numbers i hedge fund people do worse than individuals, or. active investing, does far worse than passive investing. my old pal james glassman, of washington d.c., post c columnist he would show numbers for year, after taxes -- >> 10 year on s&p 500 l long-term. you have doubled your money, it say machine that makes money, and if takes almost nothing to get into the game. larry: kudlow trust. >> one thing you said. deprde-- de.

>> business equipment, to our point. , equipment. and investment, has been in a two-year recession, full flij slump, look at numbers, actually, nowhere in 4 year, last two in particular. john carney, gerri willis, gold backed bonded, it is -- coming. 00 year bonds coming too. >> we have new news, from senator rand paul, next up, giving a speech on floor of senate, i'm prepared to agree with i'm, we'll let you, wait a moment for senator paul to come on, i am kudlow, straight ahead, we'll be right back. so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question.

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the way i approach work post fatherhood, has really trying to understand the generation that we're building devices for. here in the comcast family, we're building an integrated in-home wifi solution for millions of families like my own. in the average household, there are dozens of connected devices. connectivity is a big part of my boys' lives. it brings people together in meaningful ways. >> we're doing today, vote on budget is not doing our job, when we're doing today a republican-led effort minus me to tee up a bill to increase federal spending. larry: sign me up. joining us now, kentucky senator rand paul. that was him speaking a few moments ago on floor of senate. welcome to you senator

paul. i think you are 100% right, maybe you will tell us more about what you are thinking on this. >> we have two different budget battles work in senate one in house, on senate side led by lindsey graham who wants to spend more money on military, more border money, they point has been with savings that elon musk and doge is finding send it to us as a rescission package we can apply that to border and military, instead they are teeing up new spending without significant cuts so far, in house they lined up 1.5 trillion worth of cuts in their budget bill, i will add it as a amendment or try, effort may go all night long, amendment i be put house spending cuts into our budget. and show we're serious, so people leak like me

can be more enthused about the project, right now it is a spending bill that is a waste of an election going against what president trump is saying and elon musk and doge are doing. larry: 100% across board, on this. senator crapo has said many times, budget committees can under r reconciliation rules and las create their own baseline. -- can create their own baseline. there is also small entitlements people are afraid to cut mandatory spending, it has exploded. this is not -- this is most port post-pandemic, and criteria have b wave offe -- have been waived,

they are missing from lindsey graham's budget resolution. >> every able bodies person in america should work, not as punishment, but as a reward, it is giving you self esteem. that saving money over 100 billion, state should pay more of their fair share, when federal government pays for medicaid we borrow it and have fed print it up, states don't have a central bank they are more fiscally responsible, every program that is shared between/8 and federal government needs to be shifted back to where states have to pay more, not because we are being mean to states but we have shift burden, we're accumulating too much debt. i fear our greatest danger to our country is from within, and i am going to only republican no on this but, someone has to.

larry: you make great points. my view very important points. and i hope your colleagues listen. you are going soft on president trump i understand. >> [ laughter ] larry: little bird told me, i like his cabinet picks and his russia-ukraine policy and the elon musk doge policy. tell us 'it. >> so, you know, during the campaign, you asked me a couple times are you eners endorsing, i am a little bit late but i am endorsing donald trump, i am either late for second the second term but i'm early for third term. larry: you have to like the that do doge effort. >> absolutely. larry: you have to love it. >> to my mind, what donald trump is doing, sense he is talks about foreign policy, and fact that you know, all

these -- establishment here is we have to save democracy, well down you have to have elections to have a democracy, we spent 200 billion in a country that no longer has elections that is not makes world safe for democracy but for kleptocracy. >> doge is doing on regulatory front. elon said i am your tech assistant. he wants to enforce the executive orders, so many of which as you know, are aimed at downsizing or eliminating key parts of the regulatory state. and as well as the waste, fraud, apuc abuse and hcorruption. >> they are doing an amazing job, i ask they collect it together put it in a rescission package so congress can vote on it

there is a constitutional power of purse thing but to make it real lasting savings i would like continental to -- contin k congress to vote on it, i'm afraid it might disappear or pops back up. >> russell vought, a good guy, he wants to make a run at impoundment. i don't know, i think that there is an argument still to be made about pres presidential executive impounding authority. don't spend all that money if you don't have to. >> i think there is a great amount of leeway for president to pause spending and examine it there will be

a time people call it the court precedence so far that president can't impound money, does supreme court have a different decision, sometimes you have to challenge things. so we'll see what happens. i think it is messy and long, a chance that ruling goes against, we should try to do right thing have congress step forward and vote to cut spending, i'll lead that effort. larry: nobody talking about plugging this senate budget with all of the musk doge savings? i'm not that smart, there have to be a lot of people understand that it can be done. >> we'll see. i'm having an amendment to say 1.5 trillion in cuts must be a part of this budget. we'll see. how many republicans vote for if and how many don't. >> terrific stuff, senator rand paul if you. >> i'll be right back with my last word.

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