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d.c. in the eisenhower executive office building, the indian treaty room. we begin, president trump bringing back american greatness tax cuts, deregulation, drill, baby, drill, we will begin with russ vought who will join us. and president trump said that elon musk is doing an amazing job with doge, getting rid of government waste, fraud and corruption. elon musk will join us a bit later for an exclusive one-on-one sit down. we have senator tommy tuberville on why trump's tariffs could make america great. even though the stock market does not like it, and white house deputy chief of staff policy stephen miller on trump's new self deportation act. and but first up not far from here, fox news jackie hinrich is live at the white

house, gee wiz. reporter: you are right, markets are reacting today. after president it not rule out the possibility of a recession, dow jones, nazdaq and s&p posted declines. as investors worry unpredictic tariff policies could hurdle toward a full-blown trade war. >> are you expecting a recession this year. >> i hate to predict things like that, there is a period of transition, what we're doing is very big. reporter: president dismissed concerns about unpredictability from ceos telemaria that ceos always want clarity. and then partially paused, president warned that importance might face higher prices t temporarily. today ontario mu put a

25% surcharge in response. and 15% on chicken, wheat and corn, 10% on soybeans, pork and beef, lutnick says that americans should not fret. >> anyone who bets against donald trump, the same people who you that the that donald trump wasn't a winner a year ago, he will win for the american people, that is the way it will be there will be no recession in america. reporter: the president is meeting with tech ceos in a round table, that is closed press, this afternoon he is to sign executive orders that also closed to press. no expectations that we'll see the president to reaction to and of this today. >> all right, jackie hinrich thank you. now up next, our own taylor tataylor riggs on

today's stock market sell-off. >> don't blame he, i had a great conversation with kevin o'leary, saying things are interesting on sale, equity market massive sell-off across board, s&p 500 down 2.5%, thatf that were to close town 240. it would be in a correction territory, joining the nazdaq, which is now firmly in crick territory, correction is down more than 10% from the most recent closing high, we're nearing the levels, otherwise, a total washout very few companies that managed to be in green today. but most of the equity markets ending near lows of the session, bond markets, rallied. as you know when equity markets sell-off the classic flight to safety haven is the bond market.

all rallied price higher, yield lower, across the board, people are worried about slowing growth and tariff concerns. the classic volatility indicator spiked up. but no need to panic, the fear is over during covid and lehman brothers and all that, you needs a vix over a 40 or 50, it was a full clean washout today. and people are really trying to figure out what is this transition period for this economy. when we get from public sector to reprivatizing of the private sector that scott bessent stoke to -- spoke to but last week. >> taylor riggs appreciate that. >> a great lead in triff, trump is reprivatizing the economy on the supply side,

that is the subject of the riff. so let's not forget last tuesday night, president trump gave a brilliant speech before congress and the nation outlining his view that american greatness knows no bound. i wish people in the stock market, and elsewhere, would hold on to that thought. now stocks go up and they go down, many reasons. lately they have been going down upeople should remember that mr. trump's policy tax cuts, deregulation, drill, baby, drill, a reciprocal trade policy to reprivatize the economy as scott bessent put it and generate a major economy boom as mr. trump has put it. and his idea of 100% expensing for investment in

machinery equipment and factories, and a 15% made in america corporate tax, will all that is wildly bullish for wage earners, profits, stocks, and for the economy. what is more, guided by elon musk, who will be here in a few moments, mr. trump is emphasizing reduced federal spending and a federal audit to root out waste, fraud and abuse, measures that will create more budget savings and deficit reduction than we've seen in decades. and the government is not going to shut down by the way. at this point, profits are still rising. it is very hard for me to anticipate a recession, mr. trump's supply side program, is itself amendment -- fundamentally counter

ri inflation ari, my friend, russell vought, thank you for joining me, you of busy. >> glad to be here. larry: among the litany of things that people are worried about, it sounds like you solved the continuing resolution there will not be a go the shut down, house has a thought, trump supports it senate what do you think? >> you know they need to vote, i am confident it will pass the house and senate. all that we put forward is a freeze, a continuing resolution to allow momentum on going with doge and all work that audit you ar arrh ar -- articulated in your opener, that go to like this. you have never seen energy of a new administration coming on board, finding

every crevasse of waste, fraud and abuse. and i think that country wants to see it go forward. and a government shut down in this moment would impact that adversely, we'll be able to see congress vote that out in the next few days. larry: a client cr, so -- a ca clean cr so-called. it should be able to get through, if democrats want to continue to alike zombies they can. this san audit, is it not? >> that is most down to earth way to describe it. he is going in president is giving him new assignments go to department can of education, department of defense, and look at what is going on. and look at from an outsider perspective what does not make since let us know. that is where we come in and work hand in glove with the doge team. larry: that is key point, hand in glove, omb, now, can

you translate the doge savings, all call them, budget savings, into actual budget reductions, lower the baseline, bend the baseline lower, how will that work. >> we'll use all our executive tools to make the savings permanent. we can use rescissions, and impoundment. we'll do all we can to make sure they are not merely something on a web site but is permanent. and we'll be able to do that and work with congress to do it, but also aware of extent to where congress had a hard time massing cuts, we want -- passing cuts we want to use presidential tools to bank the savings home. larry: if you rescind take it back, you only need a majority in both houses on get that threw congress, is that -- through congress is

that correct. you have the majority, that is would be a rescission. >> there is a lot of different ways that rescissions could occur. on different time lanes, but one of the easiest way to understand it, yes, it will get a vote, it can't be filibustered in senate, there is more options beyond that, that will we'll be exploring working with congress to see how serious they are about coming al alongside us as partners on. larry: why shouldn't president do it for half as much, i don't understand that, that called impoundment. >> that is the common sense system that founders created. and existed for over 200 years until the 1970s, in which congress put it on its

head for last 50 years, and we are where we are, we have use it or lose s bureaucracies are not accountable to president they are looking to congress to be able to get their purse strings. larry: the key point, i'll ask you one more, key point, the elon musk doge operation can translate to permanently lower spending is that fair? >> absolutely. this is not -- this is not previous commissions where we're finding things that go to a report that sits on someone's desk or at best a book shelf, this since tended to be -- is intended to be immediately operationallized this fiscal year, impact next fiscal year and get to balance often. larry: let's talk about getting to plans last money. russ vought, you will put out a formal trump budget, are you not? >> we snoo are. larry: that is coming. >> correct. larry: you are working on it

now. >> we're working on it president wants to hit balance as soon as we can. larry: that includes budget cuts, proposal, and tax cuts promossed. -- proposed and econc growth assumption, when do you think that might come out. >> we're going as fast as we can, i think we'll need a few months to get there we may recall it out in different tranches. larry: they are trump policies, and congress has to deal with the trump policies. >> this is the coherent fiscal path of president to figure out, this is my plan to get to balance, congress may have a different view, but this is my plan and economic growth, to get at bureaucracy of the waste, fraud and abuse, dealing with excessive welfare benefit hammock we've seen rise up sent outbreak of covid.

larry: and you will have -- me fishing, 3% economic growth assumptions because after all tax cuts lower spending, deregulations, drill, baby, drill, pretty good for the economy? can we have three% growth instead of ta pa th -- 3% growth instead of pathetic 1. 8%. >> this is part of the equation, one of only ways you get there i think you will like the number we're moving towards. >> okay, there is a number out thereby the way, 3%, growth is important, but 3% growth. instead of 1.8% growth. gives you 3 trillion dollars over some period of time, i think 10 years, that shows how powerful growth dividend can be. >> you can't get to balance without it. it is one part -- one pillar of getting to a balanced budget that is necessary. larry: all right, russell vought, omb director

long-time friend thank you. >> my pleasure. larry: go back to work and fix the budget. >> senator tommy tuberville said that trump tariffs are making america great again, stock market does not agree. we'll hear from senator tuberville, and talk about it on set. ahead, i'll sit down for an exclusive one-on-one with elon musk. sit, stick with kudlow, please. i'll be right back. elon musk, coming up. from full house... ♪ ...to empty nest... ♪ ...to free birds. ♪ vanguard. we got this. fifty years of helping you invest for every chapter. when winter season hits emergen-c supports your immune system with so much more than vitamin c. be ready to fight back with emergen-c and for on-the-go immune support try emergen-c crystals. no water needed.

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it. he doesn't need to look at it he is our only chance we're leaking oil, we're leaking money. 4 years i've been here it has been going out the door we found out now where it is going. at the end of the day president trump has told people there will be some pain with this, there is pain, that is found, stock market has gone up and down before it will come back, when we start doing these tariffs somewhere first of april, where everyone has to be on the same level, i think it will start leveling out, and we'll be build the country back, we have no chance unless he does afters and holds people accountable. larry: it is possible, i know he said there will be temporary issues on this. but you know, let's get to the reciprocity part. i think april 2 is the date. some tariff rates in foreign countries could go down.

and that would have a s salutory affect on everything. i know this -- many economists say that i don't think that it has been correctly proven. reciprocity means, you cut your tax, we'll cut our tax, when if they cut their tariffs. >> same. talking to scott bessent or secretary treasury, howard lutnick they have prepared for that, every scenario, they have been preparing for over a month, they understand they can move their tariffs as we can move ours. at the end of the day everyone will have to work together. that is what president trump is trying to gdo to get people to work together on tariff to make it fair for everyone. we've been out in cold with tariffs for many years, people have been holding us hostage, president trump will not allow that any more. larry: i support

reciprocity, he knows that. i just think it is -- i don't like to see it played too p pessimistically. it is hard to predict future, this could have a happier ending than people are subjecting. and let me rephrase it. this could have a happier beginning than people realize. >> i think you are right on that. only problem with the tariffs there is always a scoreboard that is the stock market, people look at that stock market, like, this is how it will continue to be for months. that is not happening. you know we were probably over bloated with stock market here for a while, we went up quite a bit, at the end of the day it is about fairness and fair tariffs, everyone on same page, president trump put program a smart group of people that understand a lot about the dollar, a lot when foreign

currency, all things that are going on, at the end of the day it will work out, and work out better for united states of america. larry: now, you know sn steve moore well and steve forbes well, they are in paper today with an interesting column saying that sequencing is wrong,i your take, saying that tax cuts should come first then tariffs and problem with stock market it looks like tariffs are coming before the tax cuts. >> problem is president trump can't control that. we're controlling the tax cuts. we are not us, the house. they are putting that together. president trump wanted to get his fight on the ground get going -- his feet the on ground get going he has 4 years that will blow by, he was looking for something to do i'm putting words in his mouth. he was looking for something to get a foot hold on ground on what was happening overseas.

everyone putting pressure on the dollar that we have. and it is really, you know, somewhere he had to start, you have to start some where, if he waited for taxes, i'm with you one bill, get it done. larry: i was going to ask you, how is that one big beautiful bill in senate, so-called upper chamber. >> problem with reconciliation they don't have a lot for border in there we mutt i put a buy lot -- we put a lot, hopefully it will be one big beautiful bill, we are hurting at border we need money, it is not -- cheap, they have to have money put in people working at border, tents and all we need to get people moved out, i'm for the one big beautiful bill but we have to do tax cuts, if we don't do, that you know what is coming. we'll be out in the cold. larry: biggest tax hike, that will wreck the nation.

i hope your colleagues understand that. border money is fine, and there is deregulation, and energy and all that should go -- i don't see what is so hard about the one big beautiful bill, it is what president trump wants. >> yes, he was vote the by huge margin, at the end of the day, we'll do a cr this week, they will vote on it in house tomorrow, bring it on us, it will be what 7 month cr, nobody likes them we need a b budget, we can't do our job, not the president's fall we need to give him rook to work wild -- room to work. we'll need the cr . we need 60 votes, i don't think they want to shut the government down, does not do them good at-this-point. but we need to g president trump some leeway, get the tax bill done and fund the

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may have finish foreign -- they have been foreign sourced a moment on. >> we're not sure what happened there was massive cyberattack to my to bring -- try to spring bringer down x system with i-t addresses in ukraine area. larry: it is up. >> it is. >> looking back. they are set fire to various tesla charging stations, near boston. shots were fired at a tesla dealership in oregon. various nonviolent. >> shots fired, not a metaphor. >> downtown new york. marching against tesla showroom. your stock is way down. you have been criticized, left and right. >> look on the blight side. larry: -- like on the br

bright side. larry: why are you doing this. >> always look on the bright side of life. >> besides that, how is your day. larry: what motivates you. >> was the offer good. larry: tough sledding. >> it is. i think we're doing right thing. there has been a tremendous amount of waste and fraud in the government, when you are part of government, you saw that, it -- there has been, if you look at inspector general report and government accountability office, there have been many orders pointed out that there is tremendous amount of waste and fraud in government there was a report issued by gao last year, during the biden administration, which estimated that the federal government fraud to behalf a trillion dollars. so just to be clear that not trump administration thing

that is a biden administration thing. all we're doing is getting that number down to a smaller figure. save money for american taxpayers. and stop money being spent on things that i think are very few taxpayers would agree make sense. you know, transgender animal surgeries are why are we spending money on that? and president has gone through a list of absurd things. why are there 20 million people who are dead marked as alive in so system -- social security database? why were hundreds million dollar small business administration loans given to people age 11 and under according to social security, they must be very inper-pricing 8 year -- enterprising 8-year-old. larry: and strong 150-year-olds.

>> yes, as president said, we have an enormous number of people marked as alive who are 160, he it not know the country that was healthy. larry: demistify this, how do you do this? how big is your team? where did you recruit most from? what makes you choose the treasury or social security or usaid, how does that work? >> well we just follow the money, we look at president's executive orders, and we also follow the money. we started to look at usaid, because, they were violating president's executive orders to suspend foreign aid. you know what is called foreign aid in our view is corruption. so, we saw there was just tremendous amount of money sent to nongovernmental organizations. but it is -- this i think is

a big source of fraud, government funded, nongovernment at organizations. that is a huge fraud loophole, government can give money to an ngo, and there are no controls over that ngo, they have given billions. we estimate tens of billions to ngo's that are essentially scams. >> mm-hmm. by the way. >> we're trying to put a stop to that. larry: secretary of state rubio came out, and tweeted today, he has accepted over 80% of your recommendation to shut down in usaid, your review some analysis of spot on. >> yes. when people criticize say what doge is towi to -- towing we -- doing we say which part we put action of doge team on doge government

web site, we most the receipts, this action has been taken. when we get criticism, we say, of what? which do you disagree with, which cut, cost saving do you disagree with, people can't usually think of any. >> it is transparent line by line. >> it is. >> that is remarkable. >> right. so, then, with respect to the treasury for example. we -- the two main recommendations we suggested, they have been implemented is that any payments out of treasury, the treasury's main payment computer. called pam, payments account manager. like almost 5 t trillion a year, a billion an hour payments be coded with congressional appropriation,

that there will an explain iation for the payment, we estimate that will save 100 billion a year. larry: you are not really changes policy. you are auditing fiscal mechanisms to make sure that you know, from point a gets to point b and that is where it is supposed to get there. not a policyic excise, you are not changing laws but just doing what any business would do in a profit and loss audit. >> we're adding here is caring and competence. and there is a massive amount of fraud of basically people submitting social security numbers for social security benefits,

unemployment small could administration loans, and medical, those are fake social security numbers, or stolen someone's number. we're trying to put a stop to that that is number which is estimated to be otteredder of 10% of federal expenditures that is half of a tril yoon dollar. larry: a huge number. >> you are working with the agency heads, with the cabinet secretaries, i saw howard lutnick on tv yesterday saying you were partnering with him. is that fair? >> yes, we do a consult with cab cabinet secretaries and departments, we're rail, trying to be -- really trying to be sort of refer to as ourselves as tech support, helping the didn't get a handle on

things. what happens is you have this vacvast federal bureaucracy and a very thin layer on top of the politically appointed officials. and what happens is bh bureaucracy frankly is in control, they largely ignore the litt politically a co pointed people. larry: it is a permanently liberal bureaucracy. it is not a bureaucracy that necessarily enforces or i implemented presidential policy. >> they try to thwart that policy. the president is the elected representative. the people. and if president cannot get things implemented as a reflection of the will of the people we have is not a

democracy but a bureaucracy. rule of the bureau not rule of the people, that is what we're trying to defeat here is, the bureaucracy and have rule of the people. you know, and as you mentioned the bureaucracy is overwhelmingly democratic. washington, d.c., was 92.5% i believe voted for c kamala, overwhelm league a deeply blue situation. larry: highway do you pick your -- how do you pick your next department or agency. >> well, we're, we're trying to act proud -- broadly across all departments, not just one at a time. larry: are you across all of them new. >> yes. >> trying to make government

more efficient acrosses board. larry: hugh big is your team --? >> how big is your team. >> over a hundred at-this-point, get to 200. larry: to 200. >> ye yes you are recruiting from where more or less. >> software people, information security software people. and finance -- basically yeah. finance and technology and i can't believe i'm doing this, this is bizarre. i think that the we have this enormous federal government deficit, and it is a true trillion dollar deficit. keeps growing. our interest payments are higher than our defense department budget. that and i think was the

real w wake-up call for me, looking at seeing that interest ma payments of national debt ex eco ic -- exceeded defense department budget, if we didn't take care of this we wouldn't have any money for anything. larry: you know about this stuff. >> yeah. rail, i don't want america to go bankrupt. larry: you are hearing a call to action? >> yeah. >> you give you were your other stuff, hou how are you running your other businesses. >> with great difficulty. yeah. >> there is no turning back you say? >> i'm here trying to make government more efficient.

eliminate waste and fraud. and so far we're making good progress, actually. our savings at-this-point, exceeds 4 billion a day. larry: do you think you will get to a trillion? >> yeah. unless we're stopped w we'll get to a trillion dollars of saving. larry: that stuff can be translated. we have russ vought on, through very recession authority and i impoundment authority, you said o audit not gathering dust on shelves, end up with real savings. >> yeah. there have been many good audits inspector generals, but nothing has been done.

i think gao identified there was 17 million dead people in social security database several years ago it is now 20 million, but we didn't do anything about it. >> and -- >> i think we have sort of look at this as a complaints minimizing a op. >> now one complains if they receive money but they do complain if they don't receive money, the people that complain loudest are one receiving fraudulent money. larry: and you are on it. >> yeah. just the goal is let's not have america go bankrupt with waste and fraud, that is what i'm here for, we're making good progress. larry: you are, you going another year? >> yeah, i think so. >> final report, middle of

next year? >> well we're just getting things done as opposed to writing a report, reports don't mean anything, you have to take action. larry: yes. >> so, the, the waste report in title entitlement spending, so, that is the big one to eliminate. that is the half trillion maybe a year. that is also mechanism by which the democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants, by paying them to come here essentially, then turning them into voters. larry: yes. >> this is why democrats are so upset about this situation. they are losing you know if we turn off the huge money magnet for illegal immigrants, than they will leave. -- then they will leave and

lose voters. larry: you have the president's support, he supports your operation. >> yeah. well thanks. that is -- without the president's support we couldn't make progress. but, yeah, where you see biggest outcry is from the democrats who are they don't want the waste and fraud to be turned off, it is a huge magnet to attract illegal iimmigrants and have them say in exu country, you see crazy stuff, money from fema, people was ment to take care of americans in distress, a lot was sent to pay for luxury hotels in new york for illegal immigrants that happened after the president was elected, after he signed the executive order saying that needs to stop. soy, we made sure that money did stop going.

this is outrageous that american taxpayers money is spent on luxury hotels for legals, but why, because democrats are trying to import voters. >> yes. larry: aircraft dry. i agree. >> that is why there is no voter i.d. needed, in california, and in new york state, you are not allowed to show photo i.d. that is -- that seems insane. larry: insane. >> yeah. larry: i'd say that as a new yorker, insane. >> insane. larry: and it violates, the entire constitution. and p principles. >> yes. >> producer is yelling at me to get out, can i ask you one thing. nothing to do with doge. you can rescue the astronauts? >> we're bringing them back in a few weeks. larry: not near enough attention paid to this you are getting them back. >> we're getting them back.

larry: god bless. >> thank you for your service elon musk. >> thank you. >> but. larry: all right, coming up we'll talk with white house deputy chief of staff, for policy mr. steve miller. right here on sit, thank you to elon musk for great interview, appreciate it. chocolate fundraiser. ♪ with the chase mobile app, things move a little more smoothly. ♪ deposit checks easily and send money quickly. [coins clinking] ♪ that's convenience from chase. make more of what's yours. after careful review of medical guidance and research on pain relief, my recommendation is simple: every home should have salonpas. powerful yet non-addictive. targeted and long-lasting. i recommend salonpas. it's good medicine. ♪ hisamitsu ♪

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