larry: hello, folks. welcome to kudlow, i'm l arry kudlow. so president trump getting a

big win on canadian tariffs, and elon musk is a dedicated patriot. we'll have more on our interview with him later. we have house members claudia tenney and anna paulina luna. and miranda devine and liz peek on set. i'm not buying this recession theory. i'm not buying it. we have art laffer and steve moore talk about that. but first up ed edward lawrence at the white house. reporter: tariff tuesday went poof, ontario premier, blinked, president trump was shopping for a tesla on south lawn, and he came out told us premier of ontario mr. ford, called him, and said he is no longer putting 25% tax on electricity coming to united states president said he would look at rolling back 50% tariff he said he would put on

steel and aluminum from canada may go back tooage original 25% that means people in new york, minnesota and michigan can rest assured their electricity bill will remain the same. comments from the president, said off a wave of selling. >> sell to american people then after they look at what is happening in markets this week, say that tariff policy long-term is smog good.ed some. >> president envisions for u.s. u.s. to be a manufacturing super power, american factories and businesses owned by americans producing goods that we're exports to the rest of the world. reporter: he believes he could do that through tariffs, today president am will talk with business round table. president trump will explain the after policy as he tries to reassure business leaders

prosperity is coming with his deregulation. >> so, as energy costs come down, we would consider u.s. as place for further investment in future but not based on tariffs. based to able to lock in energy prices, for a 20 or 40 year time period that vides enough time to provide return on investment of this magnitude. reporter: president said he will get prices down long-term, he is replacing nonproductive government jobs with productive private sector jobs that transition he said, is happening right now. larry: reprivatization, that is scott bessent's phrase, edward lawrence thank you. >> now to capitol hill, fox news chad pergram is joining us live.

chad, what is doing on this cr ? reporter: good afternoon, house of representative right now is debating that interim spending bill, fundings government at old biden era levels through september 30, hakeem jeffreys on the floor right now, they will vote after 5:00, thomas massie, republican condition m congressman from kentucky is only known g.o.p. no. and tennessee is undecided but she closer. jd vance came to mil capitol hill this morning to try to convince those on fence to vote for the bill, an example greg steube, he is willing to support bill he never support one before but he did not want to undercut president trump's ajoina, it is about the

maths. democrats are encouraging a no vote if this passes house it goes to senate it could face a senate filibuster, right now we know rand paul, is a no, even if you get almost all republican senators onboard you need from 7 to 9 democrat to overcome a f filibuster, rick scott from florida never supported an interim spending bill, and went past 40 minutes i asked chuck schumer what he would say to democrats who would be willing to vote for this. he said, we're waiting for house and he turned on his heel and boltd, you look at universe of democrat in senate who could force this, john fe fetterman from pennsylvania, and jean shaheen from new hampshire. and alissa slotkin.

right now they are on this debate we're expecting the vote to come up in a little bit, come down to the wire. larry: chad pergram thank you. what a great run down. all right, switching gears. i'll say elon musk is a dedicated patriot. that is the subject of tonight's riff. so, i interviewed elon musk yesterday, in the indian treaty room. he was open, honest transparent and committed to preventing this country from falling deeper into a entitlement stayed that that -- state that could wind up in bankruptcy. president trump has p giffen elon musk his fullback, musk is not a

political man, he understands well, that the entitlement state, shot through with waste, fraud and corruption, is essentially the democratic party feeding at taxpayer trough and attracting illegal immigrants at the same time. >> the waste in entitlement spending, most of federal spending, so, that is like the big one to eliminate. that is the half trillion maybe or 700 billion a year. that is also mechanism by which the democrats attract and retain illegals immigrants, by buying them. to come here. and then turning them into voters. larry: spot on, analysis from a nonpolitician. musk is a man on a mission, i asked if he heard a call to action.

>> how are you running your other businesss? >> with great difficulty. yeah. larry: there is no turning back? >> i'm here trying to make government more efficient. eliminate waste and fraud. larry: musk team numbers a hundred so far, he will drive it up to 200. their audit has spread to most of the federal agencies according to elon musk, something that i did not realize. he has to a web site, dodge do.gov. if you want to look under the hood -- doge.gov, if you want to know what they are doing go to web site, they are reporting line by line every contract they cancel,i every lease they tear up and score each

agency based on how much they cut, he said, if you disagree, tell us which line you object to. we have to government audits before, for example gao last year, did an audit that estimated over 500 billion in waste, fraud and abuse. but no one actually acted on that. musk is aiming for a trillion dollars, and omb director russell vought said that doge savings will be implemented in to a package of recisions strike out congressional others and acts that need simple majority in house and senate tonto enact it. musk said he is acting as a consultant, sir stater of state marco rubio a adopted over 80% of the doge recommendation, trump has

taken criticism. because democrats and co their allies do not want to lose their foot hold in permanent ultra liberal bureaucracy that mr. musk is tearing down. >> the president is elected representative of the people. and if president cannot get things implemented as a reflecttion of the will of the people, then we don't have a democracy but a bureaucracy. larry: his own life has been threat ended on nieto, several of his electric changing stations have been sit on fire, one tesla dealer ship was shot up by bullets, fortunately no one was there at this time, other tesla dealerships subjected to protests. even he acknowledges that his business have suffered. hihe remains comp ited and told -- committed, he

will go at least another year or longer, a different question to him. >> can i ask you one thing, nothing to do with doge. can you rescue the astronauts. >> yes we're bringing them back in a few weeks. larry: not near enough attention. >> we're getting them back. larry: god bless. >> right. dedicated patriot. that is my riff. joining me to talk about this and other things art laffer, former reagan economists, steve moore and host of moore money they manager to write, the trump economic miracle, without my help, unbelievable. nice to see you. >> it was with. larry: just kidding. art laffer, i want to talk about recessions and tariffs and the rift.

but elon musk is quite something, you know people have threatened him, and high y is strong, standing up committed he wants country to succeed, he does not want us to go to bankruptcy. i'm not sure with his, acue acumen and commitment to president trump, i'm not sure that we've seen anyone like this, maybe back in history, i can't remember, what do you can think? >> we have not come close to anything like this historically, we did have grace commission and little hhoover commission, and gaolast year, you look at when this man and his time are doing it is transformi ational, i could noting more pleased. government spending is taxation, you cannot tax an economy in to prosperity,

lit me say, the other one, true too a poor person can't spend himself into wealth, elon musk's job is one of the highlights of trump administration. and i have nothing but optimism about how much it will help our country going forward. larry: all right, well said, steve moore, mr. musks and mr. trump want to reduce government spending is that leading to a recession. larry: i am reading about this recession. what does steve moore thing? >> no, we had something about this today two times in last 80 years with dramatic reductiontion in government spending one of the after world war ii, government share of gdp went

in 1944, government spending at the time was "pan 55 percent of gdp it went to 18%, the economy boomed. we put people back to work, and other instance, similar to today, when bill clinton came to office, after we won cold war, thanks to reagan, and we tut go cut government spending from 24% of gdp to 18%, we had biggest stoke market boom and big increase in employment. in private sector. the more you can get the costs down in government the more you free up and liberate private sector to hire more, i have to say in listening to what my hero, elon musk is saying, you he is identifying for american people, how absurdly we're spending money what bothers

me is left 's response as if he is the villain, note the waste but he is thevi villain for exposing it, if you a democrat and believe in good government, you should believe in good government, they are defending bad government. larry: art with that, stock market is correcting, now from peak record s&p 500, hit a record on february 19. now down 9.3%. dropped 450 today. it is going through a correction, 10% is a correction, why? we're cutting government spending or blame it on tariffs? steve moore wants tax cuts, not tariffs, and trump wants both tax cuts and tariffs, trump won a big one today with canadian ontario minister to pullback on his electricity tariff. and so trump pulled back on his aluminum and steel

tariff, is reciprocity driving this stock market down? is that causing a recession? as doom and bloom people tell us -- gloom people tell us? >> i wish i knew, if i did what caused stock market to go down i would be richer than elon musk, i'm not. i thought i would mention that i could not. i agree with steve moore. that on tax cuts, i look at donald trump on tariffs, i look at reciprocity as key for donald trump. he -- you know, if i could just say this about trump, trump is a very experienced person, personal life and in business, and in government. he had a great first term, i think hig high -- he was single best president in first term ever, he is well educated, high he knows his stuff. if you look at him on all of

these things, as potus, he is a great negotiate or, he knows how to do this stuff, i can't think of anyone i would prefer to be president of united states today than donald trump, he knows how to use these tools, all of the times he used them in first term, we lowered tariffs, better deals with japan with usmca, and south korea and brazil, i trust donald trump more than anyone, on bee could able to handle these -- on being able to handle these tariffs and negotiate reciprocity, the foreign countries that sell goods to us charge much higher tariffs our product be that we do on theirs. larry: some are ripping us off. >> you have you have call him and ask him if i am right. the u.s. to keep their tariffs same level or down further. to create a prosperous

world. i think he will be successful. larry: look at this. >> i am not worried. larry: all right, look at this canadian situation, very interesting premiere of ofnontario ford, put up 25 percent electric a tariff out of the belief, trump -- tariff, so trump doubled aluminum and steel tariff, from 25 to 50, then within hours, ford dropped his tariff -- they will negotiate it through. and usmcarc goes through a review period, doing the may of 2026 next year. steve moore, mr. trump is arguing for tax cuts deregulation, and energy reform, and tariff reform. you have to look at the full package. a week ago trump gave a

brilliant type speech there are no bounds to american greatness, no bounds to the american economy. what we can do, his plan, is a pro growth plan. and i just don't know -- stocks will fluctuate, they have corrections. trump is on the right track, people lost sight of the big picture. what he is trying to do. >> well, i just agree with you. we actually -- not like trump is a new president, he was the president for 4 years, i looked at numbers before coming on. we 4 record stock market boom when you were working with trump, nazdaq was up by 80%, and dow jones up 50%. and s&p 500 up 60%. one of great bho boom,

trump is in my opinion most pro, president since coolidge, maybe ronald reagan, he is pro business and pro investor, when we getting a deal, he will get a deal with canada and mexico and europeans. as we get those deals done, the americans will snap back. larry: i agree, we have to leave it there art laffer and steve moore. >> coming up trump bought a new car. made here in america. it is a tesla. we'll ask house members claudia tenney and anna paulina luna if they want one too, when kudlow returns. remember, you can catch kudlow monday through friday 4 p.m. here on fabulous fox business, if you can't for some reasons, just text your favorite 9-year-old and she will show you how to dvr the

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>> i just want people to know that you can't be great patriot,h tesla,

people should be going wild, they love the product but because is finding terrible things taking place against our country, they want to penalize him in an economic sense, i think that is very unfair. larry: for trump buying a tesla. joining us now, house members claudia tenney from new york and anna paulina luna of the great state of florida. anna paulina luna, you will buy a tesla too? >> you know, i don't know if tesla is in my pocketbook price range, i can tell you, i love electric cars, i love american muscle, i hope elon musk will be a supporter of that. larry: how about you claudia? >> they are cool, not practical in upstate new york, i hope when trump eliminatess biden era -- and compete on open market with muscle cars it would be

great. we hope that incentives will be eliminated by trump and tesla and other electric vehicles can competes in a free and open market, they are cool, but not working well in upstate new york. larry: you can have a gasoline muscle car, and an electric muscle car. i'm sure we can meet in someone a driveway. i interviewed elon musk yesterday, he talked about the massive waste, fraud and abuse in entitlement program, something the gao, has pointed out, this is not new, news, numbers may be higher. he has been you were attack on this here is elon musk talking about waste, fraud and abuse and benefits in social security and medicare. >> time spending -- waste and fraud in entitlement

spending,. that is like the big one to eliminate. that is the half trillion or 700 billion a year. that is also mechanism by which the democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants, by essentially buying them to come here and paying them to come here and turning them into voters. >> that point right there that is the way that democracies attract illegal immigrants, when they get here they want tome this vote in places like new york and california. en to you think that musk makes an important point, democrats feeding at the trough, they are beside themselves they may lose the entitlement pork? >> he does, there is also unfair messaging, i argue lies from democrat party, trying to paint when doge is doing with this administration, and republican governing body, as cuts, we're looking toward savings and also to get rid of fraud, waste and

abuse, i would ask, if american people, democrats believe, that access to welfare system and pushing people to system is the american dream, having grown up in, that, it is the opposite it is hard to leave this system once you are involved, we should tell people to come here legally, work, given all of the benefits, the legal way, if they don't they get hurt in the process, i'm glad wire taking a hard stance against it. larry: claudia 1 tenney on this point, elon musk not talking about benefit packages but just waste, fraud and abuse in the entitlements, it is about fraud, not about the benefits. >> absolut absolutely, he made an important point, most of our budget is mandatory spending we talk about cr's that we're doing today with

anomalies to protect our department of defense we're talking discretionary spending which we control, we need to attack the spending side, anna is right, fraud, abuse and waste is the problem, look at entitlement in new york state, 8 million people in the state are on medicaid, only fifth million are eligible, that is a 20 billion dollar a year hit for new york and federal tax payers pay for that too. it is split with the state. the taxpayers are taking a hit on federal side, and state side, we're trying to do is stream line government, and make it accountable and transparent and get rid of unnecessary programs that were created on mandatory side. and reduce them to where they are no longer necessary, and billions in savings from taking out about the t d.e.i.ing

programs, there so much room here, is doing what many have tried in a way that will be successful, up to us to codify those putting them to law. larry: play additional sound. elon musk clarifying social security. >> can you guarantee people who are concerned about an interruption to benefits there will not be. >> we'll be careful with any interruption to benefits, in fact, only by tackling waste and fraud in can we sprefer preserve the programs, with unchecked fraud and waste we won't be able to afford them. larry: democrats are demagoguing it like crazy, saying he wants to cut benefits, that is not the case, the other point is important, if you don't clear up the waste, fraud and abuse that will wreck the program. >> he is correct, i would like to put out people that

deserve it paid into the programs, they will suffer the most, when you have social security checks for example that was discovered sent to ukraine, or sent to people that are 350 years old that is not normal, it should not be acceptable, we're looking at this to eliminate, i will follow-up we're here to serve american people that is what we're doing, i can assure american people, the older on fixed incomes we're fighting for you, down pay attention to the propaganda you hear from the left that is not the case, we'll prove it to. >> claudia, i wanted to sell you a tesla. >> president trump's priority is on cut taxes on so much so much. social securit. >> terrific point. thank you ladies appreciate it, congressman claudia tenney and anna paulina luna we appreciate it. >> coming up elon musk said

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>> how are you running your other businesses? >> with great difficulty. [ heavy s s si gh ] >> there is no turning back? >> i'm here trying to make government more efficient. eliminate waste and fraud. larry: all right there you have it, tough moment in the interview. he was honest about it. joining us now to talk about it and others miranda devine, "new york post" columnist, liz peek, fox news contributors, thank you so much. my point was find out

because tesla has its bumps in road this year. here is the thing. they had thrown the book at him. they have threatened his life on the internet, they have firebombed his changing stations. they have shot holes through one of his dealerships, i think in oregon. they are picketing and tell -- demonstrating in new york city. tesla leadership, trump has been stedfast in backing him up, elon musk has had a rough go of it, democrats are piling on left and right because their entitlement pigs at tough are being taken away, he will not relent, he does not have to do this, he told me, he will do it for at least another year, double his team from 100 to 200 people. if that does not show character i don't know what does. >> it does, he is as donald trump said, a true patriot. he is the richest man in the world, he does not need the

money, unlike who liz warren and rest of democrats presented he is out to -- presented he is out to make a buck for himself, his other businesses are suffering, this is focused the ire was left on him. his life really is in danger, you know i saw one of activists talking about the ceo killer, and likening that to the mood of vibe against tesla and against elon musk. they despise him, democrats have activated all their street fighters, because he is actually as you said, targeting their money. their dirty money, thats have gone to pay for their street wars and protests and left wing activism, the primal scream of an animal that has been cornered this is a rail a life or death struggle between them

and elon. larry: what is interesting, liz, he is transparent. just that clip, he could have made up some rigmarole, he didn't. high just said it has been difficult. >> i thought a very human moment, his compassion for this guy. you are right, they are just on him, they are celebrating the fact he and i think bloomberg today talked about lost over 135 billion since beginning of the year, they love, that he put electric vehicles on the map, he was a hero to the left he made electric vehicles real, he provided starlink at his own cost. to ukraine, to keep them in the war, this is a good guy. and what is he doing getting rid of half of a tril trillion of waste and fraud in federal government it will put our country to bankruptcy, how can anyone object to that. but for what you say all dirty money, is revealed, not only just revealed in

sort of subtle voices in washington but on the internet. every day, here it is, here is what we found, you are not going to believe it. larry: democrats, are panicked over this, someone figured out their game, let's roll the tape one more time on entitlements and democrats and illegals. and illegals voting. >> waste and fraud in entitlement spending, that is most of federal spending. that is like the big one to eliminate. that is the half trillion or 700 billion a year, that is also mic mechanism by which democrats obtain and retain immigrants illegal iimmigrants by circum essentially

paying them for their votes. larry: high is not referring to benefit levels of policy program, he is telling -- this was a democratic game. for a long time. and then, you get him -- the illegals in here they love to get them driver's license and let them vote, very close in new york. >> what he is saying there is biggest scandal of scandalous biden administration. to allowing 8 to 10 to 12 million illegal migrants, no one rational could understand why they would do that, it was such a burden on the nation, and you know, when someone said because they want voters, you would be shouted down and told that was a conspiracy theory, elon musk nail trkd hied it, he is the smartest guy in the room he figured it out. larry: another point to make, this is the budget side of this, we had the studies before, the gao, and

we talked about it, russell vought, ombdirector is clear, they will take elon musk's savings, and tie it up in to a package of recisions to rescind the authorizations and not spend that money, this only requires simple majority vote in the house and senate. like reconciliation 51 votes in senate for example, they aim to do it quickly, maybe for fy25 and maybe more in fy 26, this is not an academic exercise they are operating it to reduce the budget to bind the budget baseline down, and stop -- bbend the budget baseline down, like ripping up the chick. check. >> we have a 1.1 trillion

dollar deficit. all this chatter under joe biden a administration how we're bringing down the deficit, trimming the budget, it is not true it gets worse every day, only thing i would like is a doge ddoge dividend. >> i want a doge dividend. >> i do to, where do i apply. larry: doge dividends poll well. >> how could it not. >> it makes it tangible, not the big think about talk but here you get some taxpayer money back, and only goes to taxpayers. >> liz, i never met a tax cut that i can't like any kind of tax cut. >> no one has. larry: any time. miranda devine and liz peek thank you. >> coming up a p big win

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astronauts? >> yes we're bli bringing them back in a few weeks. >> you will get them back. >> we'll get them back. >> god bless. larry: i love that, i want he had it in the riff, i love it, joining us now north dakota senator mr. kevin cramer. a dear friend. not near enough attention as been given to astronauts left in space, joe biden just lift them. -- left them dangling in space, i asked elon, i know because of spacex. and i was happy he gave that answer, he didn't bat, an eye, i think that is thrilling. god bless those astronauts. >> well we do, to be clear they are professionals trained to stay there. but, expectations is to come home sooner, and space station right now does not have enough astronauts to man the station. it gets complex but to point

about elon musk, one more illustration of what a good guy he really is, people who don't like him have never met him, he is truly one of most gentle creatures and sweet man, that hai hard to the to see him as something different he is a good guy. larry: very brilliant and thoughtful man, i believe high is a com a ccompassion at man, i hope that elon musk can do it in next couple of weeks, it would be great thing, and a humanitarian thing. shame on people who keep attacking elon musk. shame, sh he is just doing a good job for the country.

>> this is a sacrificial mission this is sacrificial to him. larry: gaocame out with a study last year, fifth -- 530 billion and waste, fraud and abuse. nothing happened, you know. no action. this time, as elon musk talked to me about it and russ vought, we'll have a rescission package, build it to baseline, and take appropriation out is simple majorities it will not go to waste. >> rescission piece is important. we have to act within 45 days of the request, not easy to do, there is a couple of people that maybe have a concern here or there but working quickly and together we could do that, that does not get talked about a lot.

larry: what happens, you line out the authorization or appropriate or like ripping up a check. >> so, if you take word rescind, you rescinding the authority to spend that money on that particular program. and then, that gets you know but the on balance sheet on other side of the ledger, it would go a a long way. remember, this was tried in first trump administration we could not get votes. we have a cushion this time. >> just before we lose you, trump won one in canada, canadian, ontario prime minister, i believe, king? >> doug ford. larry: ford, sorry, not a king, a ford. he decided to put extra

surtax on electricity, then trump banged up the aluminum and steam tariff to 50% within hours the guy relented, that is of an exercise in reciprocity. also an exercise in tough negotiations, your take on that? . >> i know doug ford realm well, not as well as i know donald trump similar people they would get along well. the reality this was a great illustration of -- of canada and u.s. infrastructure. i told a group of reporters, i said, if you start a war, you have to br bring live ammunition, that is what donald trump understands. larry: well put. senator kevin cramer thank you, sir.

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