right here becse we are definitely looking out for definitely looking out for you. closed captioning by closed captioning services, inc. >> sean: this is a fox news alert: moments ago the house of representatives pass the cut, cap allege balance bill a plan that would solve the pending crisis. the keystone is a constitutional amendment that would require a budget. democrats have made it clear that it has little chance of passing in the senate. the president today in the spirit of compromise and bipartisanship that he has brought to all of these negotiations said he would veto the bill. tonight another deal is on the table thanks to a so-called bipartisan group of senators known as the gang of six. gop senator alexander is

backing their plan bringing their number to seven that plan slashes the deficit by 3.7 trillion over the next 10 years. albeit there is no details. it contains 1.2 trillion with what the democrats like to call revenue measures, tax hikes. here's what the president had to say about that. >> the president: the good news is that today, a group of senators, the gang of six, democrats and republicans, i guess now gang of seven, because one additional republican senator added on, put forward a proposal is o'that is broadly consistent with the -- with the approach i've urged. for republican senators to acknowledge that revenues will have to be part of a balanced package that makes sure that nobody is disproportionately hurt from us making progress, i think is a very significant step. >> sean: joining me for an interview is one of the men at the center of the negotiations,

house budget chair paul ryan. good to see you. first, let me congratulate you. not only are you dealing -- this is 111 billion dollars you are going to cut for the 2012 budget. you are dealing structurally with the bill. why didn't you tell us what you passed? >> we cut 111 billion in the first year, as you say. we also capped spending. we bring spending down to cut six trillion over a 10 year period. then we move into passing a balanced budget amendment with taxpayer limitation and spending limitations. the problem we have is spending. you have to cap spending. we capped total government spending as a share of the economy. so we don't let the government grow on its trajectory. right now government is at its spending levels since we haven't seen since world war ii. we bring it back down and keep it there and prevent the government from doubling in size which is scheduled to do by the time my three kids are

my age. the cut right away. we cap spending that saves six trillion. and then we move to having a balanced budget amendment and requirement. >> sean: the obama budget which didn't get a single democratic vote. if that is passed we get to 100% of gdp within 10 years? >> right over 10 years. the president's duct -- budget doubles in 10 years and triples in five years. >> sean: i'm a bit angry. while the country should be focused on what i think is the most responsible plan out there. republicans are negotiating against themselves. we got three separate plans. stopgap measure of senator mcconnell, which i do not support. although he supported in fairness to him he supports cut, cap and balance. then the president got to break in on your day with this historic vote taken place and announce out of nowhere, we got a gang of six, maybe seven.

and i'm thinking, why would the republicans give him this opportunity today. this is now a third bill are negotiating with your service on? >> that's right. a -- a backroom bill that has number as that don't add up. i won't get into the budget nomenclature. but it is very difficult to add up all the claims that are being made with this bill, based upon what they've put out. i don't know if it is real spending cuts. we don't know how they make their revenues add up the way they claim. more to the point, the reason they are doing this because the senate hasn't passed a budget for over 8 10 days. i understand why senators are frustrated. they haven't for two years. we passed our budget. this deal we passed today, cut and cap, reflects our budget. we've now twiced passed a specific piece of legislation to get spending under control, payoff debt to avert a debt crisis. the senate hasn't done

anything for two years. i guess that's why the six are frustrated. but the plan they put out, it is difficult to see how the numbers add up. >> sean: the one bill that the precedent want is this responsible bill. -- that the president doesn't want is this responsible bill. to give him in pr opportunity today angered me. obviously, washington, with all due respect to your fellow colleagues there, they don't have the ability to control themselves in terms of getting to a balanced budget. 49 states have a balanced budget, law, constitutional requirement they balance the budget. washington does not. here's the question, you wrote this first bill. where you are going to save 6.2 trillion, you came unenormous fire. they couldn't write this bill by august 2nd, isn't that true? -- >> right you couldn't get the congressional budget office to score the billet alone crafting the bill.

what they are -- talking a framework and then the details will be filled in later, as best i can understand. i'll tell you what this does do. there are people putting plans on the table, that's good. there's one person who is important that hasn't put a plan on the table yet, president obama. we've gotten speeches, press conferences. we have yet to see any proposal from the president to fix this problem. the senate, the senate majority leader has put a plan the senate hasn't passed a plan, six senators throwing their idea of a plan that's constructive. at least they are putting something on the table. 9 president hasn't once put a proposal on -- on the table to fix our fiscal problems. >> sean: how about it will work against what the house is doing. let me be even more blunt. i don't have faith in the senate. first, conservatives don't control the senate. really the hope is in the

house. so the question is, do you think that house republicans will hold the line? now that you've passed a bill that will save social security, medicare, medicaid, support the military, pay down debt and make structural reforms, because the country is going bankrupt and we don't want it to become greece. do you think the republicans in the house will go for these late minute phony deals, spending cuts later, that seems to be bantered about in the senate? >> what i get from this gang of six in the clip you just played from the president is higher taxes, more revenues. we are not -- we've already rejected that over and over again with the president in these talks. we are about cutting spending. that's what we are holding out for. the problem is, if you raise revenues, you hurt the economy and job creation number two, that means you are not cutting spending. that's the problem, cutting spending. i can't tell you what the senate is going to do. there's an old saying around here in the house, the

democrats are our adversaries the economy is the senate. that -- the enemy is the senate that's said an lot these days. >> sean: let's assume that either one of these stupid deals get compromised in the senate. then we are at an impasse. you guys passed a responsible bill. they passed the backroom deal. and now all of a sudden, august 2nd is coming. and the pressure is building and mounting. i would argue this is why people were hired in 2010. will the republicans in the household the line we the going gets tough, which is about to happen? >> right. i can't imagine we would rubber stamp just a debt ceiling increase without spending cuts. that's what we are holding out for, real spending cuts. can i tell you what those are going to look like? how it is going to take place? no. it is a fluid situation.

our position has been clear all along. we gotta cut spending. we are not being able to cut spending the cuts we were talking about. we have a senate that doesn't want to do it and a president who hasn't put a plan out. we are going to try to get the spending cuts we were talking about hold on for cuts. what this looks like at the end of the day, i don't know. but we are holding out for spending cuts. >> sean: it is not only good for the country. there's going to be a lot of anger from people who voted for you guys in 2010. i don't want america becoming greece and we are on the path. we need these real structural fundamental changes. >> couldn't agree more. >> sean: is barack obama the most anti-business president in american history? casino mogul steve wynn thinks so. he went off on the anointed one in a conference call yesterday. ♪

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>> sean: it has been more than 2 1/2 years since president crybaby took the oath of office. today the crybaby and his teleprompter has yet to solve america's fiscal crisis. things have only gotten worse. steve wynn says it is the president's anti-business agenda that is responsible for the country's downturn. he made those comments on an incredible company conference call yesterday. >> i'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the

greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job creation in my lifetime. those of us who have business opportunities, and the capital to do it, are gonna sit in fear of the president. and a lot of people don't want to say that. they say oh god don't be attacking obama. well, this is obama's deal. and it is obama that is responsible for this fear in america. the guy keeps making speeches about redistribution. maybe we ought to do something the businesses that don't invest, they are holding too much money. we haven't heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists. the business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the president of the united states. until he's gone, everybody is going to be sitting on their thumbs. >> sean: wow! joining me with reaction the

host of varney & company, stuart varney and fox news contributor and co-host of the five at five, dana perino, good to see you both. business frightened. he's responsible. the business climate. his radical views. he's right. >> strong stuff. look at who the man is. steve wynn is the man who built modern las vegas. he's made himself a billion dollars. he's a self described democratic businessman and supporter of harry reid this is the man who is using harsh language about the president and his economic policies. the question is how widespread that view point among other executives in the corporate suite? >> sean: the evidence of that is all these businesses have all this money and they are afraid to invest right now. because they don't feel the climate is right for investment. you know what i like about steve wynn? he's a risk taker. he builds massive casinos.

he's done it again and again. he's a job creator. the embodiment of the entrepreneurial spirit in this country. >> i think what he did was give voice to what you are hearing behind closed doors from business people who are too afraid to say that. had i been the pr person for steve wynn i would have swallowed hard because i would have known this is what is going to happen, we are going to talk about it. so they don't hear it from conservatives or think tanks, they hear it from somebody who has created jobs. who talks to a lot of other people that job creators. my favorite line of his rant was the wet blanket. it is descriptive. the policies are holding things back. the problem is people are making that connection. president obama's policies have not allowed the country to grow as it might have, had he not done stimulus and regulation. >> he said, another part of that statement there he, he said i could add 10,000 jobs

in las vegas. but, we're afraid to do anything in the political environment of the united states. that says it all. the president is standing in the way, because of his attitude to business, standing in the way of job creation and growth. >> sean: we are at a moment, one of these crucial moments. i think this moment is going down in history in terms of what we do with cut, cap and balance. we had a big disagreement last week over the mcconnell plan. today the president races out to your old podium. there's a new plan, hang on, six guys in a room. it is very frustrating to me that republicans are negotiating against themselves. they ought to be united supporting cut, cap and balance that is the best answer to the structural foundational problem fast we have in the economy. >> you are right in principle. cut, cap and balance does what you want it to do. but, it is not going to be a success. it is not going to go through.

>> sean: why tkpwerb shea against yourself? >> i want a viable alternative to a downgrade of america's financial reputation. >> sean: moody's is saying it going to downgrade any way. s&p saying within maybe 90 days. >> cap -- >> cut, cap and balance doesn't go as far as the ryan budget went. the ryan budget was voted on unanimously by the house republicans. i do think that this debate is a good one to have. what i don't see is the 2012 candidates coming forward on the republican side and saying, taking any leadership position. they are all taking a pass. >> sean: most have signed on to -- >> nobody is doing what -- what would you do in order to create jobs? >> sean: the answer is what -- one second here. every republican keeps saying, they want to be reagan. this is their moment to lead. >> didn't you see the ad the

democrats ran today with the radio address from the reagan era in which he talks about the -- >> i realize it different and all relative -- [ talking over each other ] >> republican senator tom coburn told me this afternoon that the gang of six plan cuts personal income tax rates and cuts corporate tax rates. and shaves 3.7 trillion off the accumulated deficit over 10 years. that seems to do what is required to avoid a downgrade. >> sean: they are saying to the committees we want you to look hard at where these cuts are. we got burned in the reagan years, with george herbert walker bush. every time they talk about cuts later, i don't buy it. it will never happen. >> can i do the glass half full kind of thing? >> sean: no. yes of course. >> why is president obama now talking about a package that will not include tax hikes? because republicans have held as firmly as they could, up to now.

he was talking about tax hikes for a month now he's not going to do it. >> sean: the president has yet to produce a plan. now republicans are undermining each other with three plans and a back-up plan. and a stopgap plan. they are negotiating against themselves that is bad strategy. >> harry reid and nancy pelosi sit there like butter would not melt in their mouths. >> if you can get a plan that>6 shaves 3.7 trillion off the debt and cut personal income tax rates and corporate tax rates and get that in place you avoid a downgrade. >> and it avoids the tax hikes that -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: there's a report tonight that moody's is saying the gang of six and mcconnell plan does not meet their standards for not reducing the aaa rating. >> 3.7 trillion of deficit shaving should. i'm thinking of america's interests first. >> sean: so am it.

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. >> sean: throughout the debate one gop senator has been outspoken about making the most of the situation. arguing we should restructure our federal finances, balance the budget and reduce the deficit by making massive spending cuts and limiting big government before touching the debt ceiling. pennsylvania senator pat toomey has insisted that threats of a default are a democratic scare tactic and went head-to-head with howard dean on this issue yesterday ii >> if the worst comes to worst on august 2nd, i think what is going to happen we are not going to pay social security, medicare and some of these other bills. >> we are going to pay social security. in fact they probably have a statutory obligation. there's enough revenue to pay interest on our debt, social security, medicare medicaid, defense contractors and active duty military and have a little money left over. >> the president is behind what i said. he wants a balanced budget.

he believes that everybody ought to sacrifice. >> house is going to vote on i bill that gets there over 10 years and the president dismissed it out of hand last week. this administration is not interested in getting the spending problem under control and i don't know how much time we have to do that. >> sean: joining me senator toomey, a member of the senate budget committee. welcome back. >> thanks for having me. >> sean: this is important. i don't like to use strong language when we are talking about the president of the united states. howard dean is lying. president obama is lying to seniors in this country and trying to use them as political pawns. we take in 200 billion dollars a month. all that means we can pay for all the things you said, medicare, medicaid, social al security, the military and interest on the debt is that correct? >> that's a fact. we can pay those things. i'm sure if we don't raise the debt limit by august 2nd, that we would pay those things.

it has been been irresponsible to imply and threaten we are going to default, seniors are not going to get tear checks. a scare tactic meant to intimidate republicans to giving them the debt limit increase with no spending cuts and no changes to this broken promise we have. we shouldn't fall for>[noçz9vr . >> sean: this is frustrating. i think we would have to expect the president of the united states to tell the american people the truth. what he's saying is factually untrue. >> it is untrue. the facts are what they are. this is not just me, there are left of center think tanks. by the way, they want us to raise the debt limit. so it is not as though they have ulterior motives. i want us to reach a deal before we get there. they are going to pass a bill that puts us on a path to a balanced budget. the president would get the debt limit increase he wants. all we ask is join us on putting our federal budget on

the path to balance. how controversial, how crazy an idea is it to balance the budget? >> sean: it's not. i'm angry and i mean angry at some of your colleagues in the senate. and i'm frustrated. today i think the country should be focused on this one bill. and i think the senate ought to be focused on this bill. unfortunately, we've got everybody doing their little side bills. the president was able to divert the country's attention today and race into the -- before the press corp, and talk about, we got a gang of six. and it is frustrating to me. because that's not the bill that i think senators and congressmen were hired to pass or the mcconnell bill for that matter. why would they be negotiating side deals, when they ought to be saying to the president, sign this bill? approve this bill. this is the best bill for the country. this also deals with

fundamentals, the structural problems we have. >> no, there is no bill that solves the problems that our country faces, that is on the table. the various proposals, whether it is senator mcconnell or the gang of six, i think those folks have good intentions trying to make the best of a bad situation. the only thing that puts us on a sustainable fiscal path is the bill the house is going to pass tonight. why would we ignore that fact? why wouldn't we build on that? and ask the president, are you really willing to plunge the nation into the chaos that you predict because you are that opposed to balancing the budget? >> sean: can i ask why these republicans aren't better chess players? why they are not more strategic. they handed the president on the day they should be focused on this bill, as you point out. now he gets to highlight these other two bills which don't exist. >> this has been a problem for sometime.

for sometime we acquiesce to the series of closed door backroom negotiations with the president and various leaders in the country. in the good faith hope that the president and the administration actually wanted to cut spending. let's face it. there's never been any evidence that they have any interest in cutting spending and shrinking government. this administration has been all about the opposite. we need the american people to say, mr. president, we're really insisting now. the last time we had a democratic president, he agreed that we ought to balance the budget. and working with the republican congress, they did it. so why is it so unreasonable now? >> sean: it is not. it seems the republicans are very foolish. seem to begosh chaiting against themselves. which is -- to be negotiating against themselves. which is bizarre to me the president had a vet on his budget, 46 trillion -- had a vote on his budget, 46 trillion, it didn't pass not one democrat supported it.

this bill is going to the senate. any democrats support this? should the president get the blame? >> i think this is going to pass the house with some democratic votes, maybe not a lot. it will be a bipartisan vote to raise the debt limit. i think we'll have, if not every republican senator, we'll have the majority. then we have to ask the democrats and the president why are you so opposed to a balanced budget? we are not suggesting we achieve it overnight. even over the course of several years, you can work with us on that? i think when the american people understand we are willing to raise the debt limit provided we go on the path to a balanced budget, i think they are going make some demands of the president this is the game changer for us. big win tonight in the house then put pressure on. >> sean: can i put you on record saying you will not support the mcconnell nell

bill you will not support the gang of six? that you only on record for cut, cap and balance? >> certainly in their current forms i can't support those other bills. i'm a co-sponsor of cut, cap and balance. >> sean: thanks senator, appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> sean: where is the outrage over the offensive remarks bill par made about michelle bachmann and sarah palin? will hbo take action will the national l l l l l thanks to the venture card from capital one, we get double miles on every purchase, so me and my lads earned arip to san francisco twice as fast we get double miles every time we use our card... i'll take these two... ...no matter what we're buying. ...and all of those. and since double miles add up fast, we can bring the whole gang! it's hard to beat double miles! whoa dude. [ male announcer ]et the venture card from capital one and earn double miles on every purchase, every day. go to capilone.com. what's in your wallet?

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>> sean: more outrage over bill maher's sexist statements. critics are up in arms that the controversial talk show host has yet to be publicly condemned by women's groups or reprimanded by hbo. today we reached out to the national organization of women to get the group's official position. they did not directly respond to our request. but they say they intend to

post something on their website later tonight or tomorrow. hbo did not return our calls. why the strange silence over such shockingly offensive rhetoric? here with reaction ceo of concerned women for america penny nance and tamara holder. welcome back. opinion any, it is not just -- penny it is not just one word, within example. it is an ongoing series of sexist, bigoted, hateful, misogynist comments by this guy. i don't hear a peep out of the left and women in america. >> that's right. bill maher has a history of demeaning and scorning conservative women. for some reason he finds them particularly threatening. he's even stooped to obscenity-laced comments about sarah palin and i'm not sure about michelle bachmann. buy said horrible things about

both of them. even sarah palin's child with down syndrome. he's out of control. i'm not sure why,000 and hbo has not addressed it -- we think they should. his scorn is outrageous. the only being he hates more than conservativev< women is god. at least we are in good company. we have an example. i'm going to play this tape tamara. imagine me using the term milf to describe democratic women. do you think there would be a lot of outrage? i do. watch the following exchange with him and his guests. >> there you go fox news for your blogs this week. you republicans are like arafat.

>> they are grifters and scum bags. >> i don't want to be crass. i hope marcus bachmann takes that rage that comes from repression and denial and brings it to the bedroom with her. i hope he [ bleep ] angrily. because that's how i would. and i've thought about it. >> only michelle bachmann was -- i [ bleep ] rick santorum. >> sean: you are shaking your head tamara, why? >> because bill maher is a stand-up comedian. he's an educated man he's not trying to give you the news. he has an audience that laughs at what he has to say. he's never said that he's somebody reporting the news. i don't understand why calling someone is a nincompoop is so offensive. >> it is not just nincompoop, it is vulgar language against women. he's never called on the

carpet for it. he's never apologized. at some point he needs to be held accountable. >> sean: tamara, wait a minute. i get this. every liberal, oh it is just in humor. if i crack a joke on this program and it crosses that line, and we have, good time on our panel. if i say the same things, i'm fired, right or wrong? >> right. and there's a difference. you are on fox news channel, he's a comedian. he has a comedic show that is satire. that's what this is. you are fair and balanced fox news. >> sean: i don't think he's funny. he's an angry, bitter liberal. advancing his liberal commentary. using comedy sometimes. a conservative would never get away with the same routine. >> like what sean? that's actually for gay marriage. is that such a liberal view? >> calling women the c-word

those kind of remarks. using graphic, vile language to describe women. >> sean: how about that tamara? >> i'm sure there are certain comments that he's made that unacceptable. >> sean: then why doesn't anything happen? >> people who are called those names should speak out. at the same time -- >> sean: how about you, you are a liberal woman why don't you speak out? >> i haven't had an opportunity to talk to him. when he gives me a call -- >> sean: if it is don imus or a radio host, i hear for people calling for firings all the time. don imus is a comedian he's funny. >> he's a comedian of sorts but he's also there to report the news. there's a difference sean. you cannot mix apples and oranges. >> sean: you don't think him ramming his left wing obama ass-kissing down america's throat. >> like he believes in profiling of muslims at the

airport, the death penalty. all things that you agree with. just because he's pro legalization of marijuana doesn't make him a liberal crazy. >> sean: okay. >> bill maher is clearly very angry at conservative women. he can't take them on for their positions on the issues so he has to give ad hominem attacks. if he wants to take on michelle bachmann on issues fair game. no woman, conservative or liberal should have to put up with that kind of language. >> sean: our great, great american panel, next.

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>> sean: tonight on our panel. editor at the daily caller.com they are breaking a big story tomorrow tucker carlson is here. doug schoen is back. a "new york times" mega best selling author latest book out

today portrait of a spy now available daniel silva is back. your books just killing, congratulations. >> thank you. >> sean: let me start with the debt debate. i love what the house did today. cut, cap and balance. you have kids. kids. kids. i am scared to death. it makes the most sense to me what bothers me the most is why would the senate on this day give president obama this opportunity to deflect attention away from what i think is the best bill? >> what is the senate? democratic controlled. i'm kind of interested in certain aspects of that bill. if you can get that kind of deficit reduction. if you can really simplify the tax code some, make it more efficient. make it more productive to business in the united states, which we really need. >> sean: when they say simplify the tax code --

>> let me finish. the devil is in the details, as we say. the problem with this is, once again, we are going to rush through something. first, we do health care in a week and a half. now we are going to rewrite the tax code in time -- it is not going to happen. there are aspects that are interesting. it is like the debt commission concept of simplifying the -- >> i think this is a day for celebration. we have 50 senators in a room both of whom appear willingdmñ support a common sense compromise. lower rates, cut spending, reform entitlements and put us on a path to a balanced budget and raise the debt ceiling. the bill you are championing will probably cost the republicans the election next year. >> sean: there comes a moment tucker, i'm serious about this, any time they say the cuts are coming later, we know it is a lie. any time they say, reform.

they are go -- they are going to have a trillion in tax revenue, that's a tax increase. i'm not buying the bs any more. how many times are we going to be suck erred into these phony solutions? >> salviest people in the debate -- have been grassroots the tea party folks who see through the smoke and mirrors. hanging over this is the threat and it was made explicit last week by standard & poor's to downgrade the rating forqr+/ our debt in0 days. >> that's right unless the u.s. government cuts four trillion from the debt. if our -- if we are downgraded from aaa to something less that is a full blown disaster. [ talking over each other ] >> they say this is fine, they want this. >> how does passing a piece of legislation that has no chance

in the other side of the hill, how does passing that get us out of this mess we are in? >> i understand going on the record and saying that you are against this -- >> sean: i can tell you how. i think the republicans have a far stronger hand than they think. this president will be the first president to have this decline in our credit rating, number one. number two, this going to happen on his watch. when history is written, that the country defaulted, which by the way it is not. if it was written that he would be mentioned. no one is going to remember no offense john boehner. it is going to be under president obama's watch. he gave us all the debt and deficit. >> the republican are seeing this intransigent not doing enough to compromise. >> sean: that abc poll has 7% more democrats polled than republicans. >> the gap is widening since march, the republican intransigent score up six points. >> you can be right and still

mishandle the public relations element. republicans have a track record;mt of doing that. the media hates them. they are not good at telling stories, even whena/v$ey are right. they need to win the public that in the end is most important. >> sean: we 4 go a great tape. chris matthews got beat up bad tonight, it was a great [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a.m. scholar. the two trains and a bus rider. the "i'll sleep when it's done" academic. for 80 years, we've been inspired by you. and we've been honored to walk with you to help you get where you want to be ♪ because your moment is now. let nothing stand in your way. learn more at keller.edu.

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>> sean: we continue with our great american panel. our good friend chris matthews had a little exchange with kong walsh earlier. let's roll tape -- >> what is the president's plan chris matthews? >> you criticize the president for not having a plan and you don't have one. >> i'll criticize the president for more than not having a plan he's not serious and please playing politics. for the first time in this town the house is going to pass a serious plan to get spending in this town under control. you want to ignore the most important piece of that, which is a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. >> could you explain that? >> your president who sends a tingle up your leg has not been serious in six months. why do you ignore that chris? >> he -- he has not been

serious about this debt crisis, why don't you jump on that. >> sean: good line. >> it is excruciating for chris to listen to other people talk. he the last couple years sucking up to this guy sniffing his throne, humiliating himself on behalf of obama it must be difficult to watch what has happened to the country. >> sean: good point. you as a lifelong democrat, you have tried to get the party to moderate a little. and they've just excoriated you for urging moderation. >> and i will continue with caddell to advocate moderation. because that is what is best for the country. he's not your president or or his president, he's our president. >> sean: matthews' president. kidding. >> we have to get past that kind of foolishness. you can agree or with the

balanced budget, with the gang of six. but we are all in this together. it is our futures and our kids futures at stake. >> few have done more to divide the country than chris matthews it is hard to hold him up as one who brings us together. >> i'm not. >> that was unpleasant to watch. that is our little town in a snapshot from washington. >> not me. >> not you.5f you've escaped. it is the politics have been poisonous for a long time that is reflected in what we just saw there. >> sean: i'm going to poison the well further. it will be perceived as much. i do not think this president is up to this job. i think he is so utterly inexperienced and in over his head. add to that a level of arrogance, detachment even you will. seemingly clueless about how bad his policies are and how

predictably they would fail. >> i think he made a dreadful tactical mistake when after passing stimulus he felt and they felt they had the economy fixed, on firm footing. and we are going to turn to health care and ram this through. he is now suffering the blow-back from that as you get through the health care debate and the economy is in dreadful condition. it is getting worse. he is going to run on -- attempt to run on an economy that is going to leave him with very little positive to say about his administration. >> sean: so i guess we can say doug this is going to be one of the meanest elections, because he can run on his record? >> he going to eviscerate the republicans or try, with 750 million. the problem is, he didn't show leadership, daniel is right, when he could have on the economy to promote pro growth, inclusive economic policies. he's late to the table with the gang of six. people who think like you are happy he's there.

the leadership and the willingness to take on -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: why are you so optimistic about this gang of six? there's going to be open rebellion. the people that the conservatives like myself and the tea party members and i don't want to speak for them, but i'm reading their e-mails and they are calling my radio show and they are livid. they feel job number one for them was to cleanup this mess and not capitulate with these ridiculous last minute deals that nobody knows any details about. >> repeal obamacare what happened to that? >> sean: they tried. it didn't go any further. >> if the legacy of the tea party is holding the office holders, if put in power accountable that is a great legacy. i think they are doing it. i think the reaction again the mcconnell plan is profound enough it will stop that plan. >> if we get moderate republicans and all democrats together with a plan that cuts