of that a little history, you might want to be here. >> alisyn: michelle malkin will be here. >> brian: and senator crapo. >> alisyn: see you in the after the show show. morning. do we have a plan now that could pass? that includes a trillion dollars in new revenue which we know means new taxes? good morning, everybody. what's behind door numb three today -- number three today? i'm bill hemmer, good morning, heather. heather: i'm heather childers in for martha maccallum. the tea party-backed plan passing the house in a sometimes fiery, to say the least, vote last night. bill: yeah. that calls for trimming the budget by $110 billion immediately, also a cap on spending, a constitutional

amendment for a balanced budget. >> the president has said he wants a balanced approach. well, guess what? he does get a balanced approach. he gets his increase in the debt limit of $2.4 trillion. what we get are real cuts in spending and real reforms in place that'll make sure that this problem never, ever happens again. >> we mean that. the path forward, we think we have one, but it's certainly not complete yet. we're doing our very, very utmost to get this to pass as well as we can. there's no easy solution. bill: so what harry reid is talking about there is from a gang of six senators, a plan hailed by both democrats and some republicans so far, that plan calls for reducing the deficit by $3.7 trillion over ten years, reducing the costs of medicare and medicaid and

increasing revenue by about a trillion dollars. fox business network's stu varney's been up all night studying this stuff, going through all the details and all the fine printing. how you doing, stuart? good morning. >> i'm well, bill. bill: how can it with that republicans -- how can it be that republicans be in favor of a plan that calls for new revenue? >> okay, here's how it's supposed to work. this plan by the gang of six calls for reducing, cutting tax rates on individuals. also cutting corporate tax rates and abolishing the alternative minimum tax. so it's tax rate cuts, the theory being that that expands the economy, and as the economy grows, the treasury takes in more money because more people are working and paying tax. so extra revenue because you've expanded the economy by cutting tax rates. also in the plan, plugging tax loopholes, that is a

straightforward tax increase. and reducing the deductions, tax deductions available to wealthy people. that, too, is a straight forward tax increase. cut tax rates, plug loopholes, reduce deductions for the well the -- wealthy, you end up with an extra trillion dollars in revenue. bill: they were like moths to a flame yesterday. the president came out in favor, some republicans in the house, some democrats as well. why would this all of a sudden have a favorable reception? >> well, look, it's a compromise. you've got big cuts, and you've got extra revenue. so it is a compromise, and you're running out of time. that august 2nd deadline is very, very close and to get this plan how you've got to move quickly because you've got to legislate, pass, vote, implement. bill: can they do that in the time they have lift? >> frankly, bill, it's doubtful.

you think you can write the tax code in a couple of days? the highly unlikely. but you can see how republicans would probably go for reducing tax rates. it's hard for me to see how democrats could go for reducing tax rates. bill: now, before we fish here, though, this cut, cap and balance thing that passed in the house, that was all the talk over the past week. would that survive a senate vote or, ultimately, is it vetoed by the white house? >> i've not heard anybody who has said it will pass in the senate. that's, essentially, a symbolic move, and it's dead as of now. that's why there's so such attention on this gang of six plan. bill: we shall see. stuart, we'll see you on fox business network, okay? stuart varney leading our coverage. we're seeing a dramatic shift in the way americans feel about raising the debt ceiling. 38% now say the debt ceiling

should be raised, 31% say no. about a month ago the majority o opposing that whole idea. the battle is far from over as stuart still explained. senator rand paul and what he thinks can pass. we'll talk to him in a matter of moments here on "america's newsroom." heather: a fox news alert, new word that the fbi is expanding its raid overseas on cyber hackers. officials say so far 16 members from the online hacking group, it's called anonymous, they've been arrested here in the, all picked up on charges relating to a hack on the web site called paypal. we're told that the group, inspired by wikileaks, targeted the online company after it stopped accepting donations for wikileaks' founder julian as sang. bill: well, his facebook page says he has a passion for web

programming. according to the tbi, an arizona student accused of illegally hacking an fbi web site. his father saying he had no idea about the arrest. >> he'd never been in any trouble at all. you know, this is a big shock to me and his mother. the kid hasn't called me, no one's called us, nobody's told us, so we're in the dark until we find out what's going on. bill: the fbi says he hacked into their program uploading three different fileses from that web site. heather: we've heard about the extreme weather, this is a horrible story. the weather being blamed for a tragic accident, claiming the lives of almost an entire family. be wyoming police say that a raging mountain creek tore through a road washing a family's camper downstream killing the mother and three little girls. julie banner the as is live in

our new york city newsroom with more on this. >> reporter: yeah, very sad story. the mother and her daughters, ages 8, 5 and 2 years old, all presumed to have drowned when their family van was swept away by raging flood waters on a washed out section of mountain highway. the van went into the creek between 1 and 2 in the morning and submerged up to its rooftop. as you can see there, that is what it looks like after. only their father, alex, survived after he managed to escape. the rest of his family, his life lawrl and their three daughters later found inside the van by emergency officials who say that they were all wearing their seat belts or in child seats. >> can't even begin to imagine what he's going through right now. you know, you're on a family vacation, you're enjoying life, you're having a great time, and a couple hours later you've lost everything. >> reporter: minutes after the

family's van was carried away, a local emergency management official who was responding to the accident hit that same washout and plunged into the creek as well. at one point the water washed over his vehicle, but the water inside got no higher than his waist, so he managed to survive, was rescued two hours later. officials say the washout was caused from flash flooding near ryan park in southeast wyoming. officials say debris in the creek apparently blocked large culverts that run under the highway, and the water that tore through the roadway opening a 25-foot-wide, 9-foot-deep breach. flooding in be wyoming in the spring and summer has been blamed for at least two over depths. a fixed-wing aircraft is flying over the area this morning singeing for additional -- searching for additional vehicles affected by the flooding. heather: thank you very much, julie. bill: you have got that heat out there, and it's not going away.

now we find michele bachmann surging in the polls, a "wall street journal" poll showing that bachman is gaining ground. romney at 30% be, bachman at 16. those new numbers follow report that is bachman suffers from migraine headaches, questions about whether her condition would effect her ability to perform as commander in chief, bachman denying that. today we'll talk to karl rove about bachman's strong new poll numbers and chris christie going to iowa and everything else. heather: yeah, and bachman's surge may be coming at the expense of fellow minnesotan tim pawlenty. the former governor now considered an underdog in the first caucus state of iowa. a key straw poll set to be held there next month. pawlenty now embarking on an 18-city tour of the hawkeye

state. stuck in the single digits in some polls. he's plowing about $200,000 into tv ads. the big best candidate ads -- biggest candidate ads by far in iowa so far by with pawlenty. bill: we'll talk to karl about that too. plenty on the plate. those are just some of the stories we're wamping on america's -- watching on "america's newsroom." also following chaos in a major u.s. city. have you seen this? and then the police moved in. why the officers clashing with with protesters and where this happened. heather: plus lawmakers say if federal government won't help secure their borders, then they'll do it themselves. bill: and are they breathing new life into the debt crisis? a critical meeting set to get under way from the so-called gang of six.

we will follow that and wait for reaction as house republicans blast democrats for the political gamesmanship on the hill. >> so i know it makes for good politics to go throw the sign shiny ball out there, madam speaker -- >> will the gentleman yield? >> i will not yield. that somehow republicans are wed to that kind of policy to sustain these preferences.

heather: san francisco police arresting dozens of a protest turns violent. the crowds, they're chanting "let them go," as officers handcuffed the demonstrators. police say some of the demonstrators or protesters ransacked a train station. they allegedly, at least one suspect, threw a hammer at a police station window protesting the the recent deadly shooting of a 19-year-old man.

the victim shot at police before officers returned fire, killing him. bill: want the u.s. to build a border fence? arizona's now asking you for help. if you open up your pocketbook. arizona launching a new effort to raise money, millions of dollars, to build a fence. they say they're fed up with the federal government's efforts to keep illegals out and are now taking matters into their own hands. this is no small matter though. steve smith wrote the bill. he's a state senator in arizona. good morning to you in arizona. >> good morning, belle. appreciate you having me on. bill: how much money is this going to cost? >> you know, we're trying to raise -- my initial goal is $15 million -- bill: 5-0? >> 5-0, absolutely. bill: all right. what's the reaction been so far, sir? >> i cannot tell you the outpour of just jubilation, quite honestly, from across the

country. we've gotten phone calls and letters and e-mails from all over the country saying is it july 20th yet? [laughter] because july 20th, today, of course, is when the bill takes effect, and that's when people can actually start donating to the web site, you can go to the web site right now, and the outpour has been amazing for this. bill: what are they telling you? because, you know, the economy's tough, and raising $50 million is not easy. >> well, now, hey, we're going to do it with pennies, nickels and dimes if we have to. there's over 300 million people in this country x let's all do our -- and let's all do our share. this is where i say the john f. kennedy mantra, ask not what your country can do for you. the fact of the matter is the social and economic devastation because of the lack of security on that border is overwhelming to this country. and at some point in time we've got to react, we've got to respond. and now's the time. and we've got to pull each other up and do the job that the

federal government just won't do. bill: to be clear, it's an 82-mile border to arizona, right? this would not apply to new mexico or texas, clearly. but there's also a ro vision in this law -- provision in this law that says you can build on private, state or federal land if permitted. now, can -- >> that's right. bill: -- a land other than, can aspects of a state or county or the federal government say, no, you cannot build in said area of arizona? >> they can. the reason -- the prime area we are targeting, there's a 60-foot federal easement that ones across the -- that runs across the border. so we just want to build on that easement. it makes the most sense, of course. that we will need federal permission to do so. if we do not gain federal permission to build on that easement, then we will resort to private and state tracts of land which we have plenty of and commitment from those

landowners. bill: so you're saying you have a plan to go around if you don't get the full 82-mile stretch. there were critics who say unless you build the right kind of fence it has little or no value. what do you say? >> that's exactly right. i liken it to a prison, right? you have have the greatest prison wall or fence, but if you don't have prison guards watching it, sooner or later, the inmates get out. that's just the way it is. so the fence is not the only stand-alone option. you do need boots on the ground. however, fences are extraordinarily effective. one needs to look no further than in yuma, arizona, where we've done this before. we built a triple-layer fence there, we had a 93 jr. 95% success rate of stopping illegal activity over that border in arizona. let me give you another number. we have a beautiful fence, it's this 18-foot-high steel beam

corrugated fence here in arizona. you can't drive a tank through it. the only problem is we have 16 miles of that fence on a nearly 400-mile-long arizona border. [laughter] so you're exactly right, the right fence is absolutely needed, and that is our intention. bill: it's a novel idea. it got our attention. $50 million, no small sum. the effort starts today. steve smith wrote the bill. thank you, sir, for coming in the. >> go to build the border fence.com, that's where they can help us. bill: all right. thank you for your time. nineteen minutes past the hour, what's coming up next? heather: well, shootings and a country on the edge. [gunfire] endless violence spilling over to funeral services. bill also this debt debate's not going away. you've got this gang of six senators set to get behind closed doors today. what will they say publicly? senator rand paul's already talking, he's going to tell us

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bill: this story has not gone away, the violence in syria continues. security forces opening fire on a funeral procession. [gunfire] bill: frankly, that is rare video that we have seen inside of syria. very difficult to get western reporters in that country. eyewitnesses saying at least ten mourners are dead.

that town in recent days has seen some of the worst violence in syria's four-month uprising. the funerals were for ten people killed the day before. a mother of one of the men buried believed to be among the victims of this violence. heather: british prime minister david cameron now speaking on the news of the world's phone hacking investigation. cameron defending his hiring of the paper's former editor to be his one-time communications chief. it was a fiery emergency parliament session. the now defunct news of the world was owned by news corp., the parent company of fox news. senior affairs correspondent amy kellogg is live in london with the latest. hi, amy. >> reporter: the prime minister actually cut short a trip to africa during which he was trying to drum up business for british companies to convene this emergency session of parliament to deal with the phone hacking crisis and the

issues that have stemmed from it, issues which to a certain extent, heather, have painted both the police in this country as well as the government, david cameron being pressed again about his decision to hire former news of the world editor annie kohlson as his chief of communications as number 10 downing street. his judgment really being called into question over this because colson had already resigned from "news of the world" when cameron hired him. colson still claims he knew nothing about the phone hacking at "news of the world," and cameron said he believes him. but colson was arrested week before last, and cameron lashed out today at the british opposition for trying to take him down over this. >> stop hunting feeble conspiracy theories and start writing to the level of events. >> reporter: yesterday, of course, was a big day in the big picture of the story where

rupert murdoch and his son james answering questions for a parliamentary committee for three whole hours, all of this broadcast live across the u.k. and now parliament setting aside yet another entire day to discuss the crisis. >> outside the westminster bubble i'm getting the impression the nation has had its fill on this subject, it's actually getting, it's actually getting fed up. it was nonsense about the police corruption. they want answers about the hacking. it wants answers about the relationship between the press and the media. >> reporter: people, heather, definitely want answers, but some mps today, members of parliament, got up and said, look, we also have a euro zone in free fall, there's famine in africa, other issues need to be addressed here. all of the parliament debates in the session yesterday are without legal teeth. for that there will be a police inquiry and a judge-led inquiry into the issues of phone hacking and corruption in the police,

and that is just about to get under way. but this parliamentary session today began for two and a half hours with just preliminary statements and is now kicking into its full debate which we're expecting to last for several more hours. that's the latest from here, heather. back to you. heather: thank you very much, amy kellogg. bill: they were in prime form earlier today. just like london likes it. this one from the can't make it up file. a convicted murderer is suing the prison because the guards saved his life. why some argue that he has a case. heather: that will be interesting. and she was found dead in the manage of her boyfriend -- mansion of her boyfriend. days later the man's son dies allegedly from falling down the stairs. the new questions in this very bizarre case. >> the reporting party, later identified as adam shackney, told the officers he had found the woman with a rope around her neck. the victim's hands and feet were

bound, and she was completely nude. i'm not going to comment what we found inside the residence.

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meeting behind closed doors. there they are on the screen. trying to hammer out the details on a $3.7 trillion cut proposal.

on the house side fireworks erupting late yesterday, lawmakers debating the cut, cap and balance plan. here is the majority leader, eric cantor blasting a top democratic leader. >> the gentleman always knows that the loopholes and the costs associated with the loop hopes pale in comparison for the problem. i know it makes for good politics to throw the shiny ball out there madame speaker. >> will the gentleman lead. >> i will not lead. some throw the shiny ball out there to show that they are wed to these policies. in our budget and in our plan we have said we are for bringing down rates on everybody .

bill: what do you think can get through this congress today that will be signed by the white house? >> well i think there are comprises that could be made, for example, we as republicans have to acknowledge that every dollar spent on the military is and there is waste and problems in the military budget and we've troubled the military budget in the last two years. the liberals will have to knowledge, every dollar spent for social welfare and every dollar in the entitle programs is not wisely spend, they will have to be retpoefrpltd the democrats are big on saying the rich need to pay their fair share. if they are honest the rich are paying plenty of taxes. if they insist to have the rich pay more i'm happy to have the rich pay for their benefits, the full price of medicare and for

them to let less social security money. the democrats have tkepl a tkpwogd this. where they accuse republicans of pushing grandma off a clip. the president politicize ez this by saying republicans will stop sending social security checks out. it's actually the opposite. we are directing him by law to may the social security debt and honor his obligations to senior citizens. bill: i understand the argument on the military and the entitlements, butt tax issue, again, help clarify that for our audience. when it comes to raiding the revue and figuring out a way, whether it's the left pocket or right pocket, what would be your idea, senator. >> there is a compromise we could achieve on that. i'm for eliminating some deductions and loopholes. i don't want to increase taxes, i think that is bad for the

economy and we will lose jobs if we increase taxes. if you lower the rate and simplify the tax keyed, when reagan brought the rate down to 26% we had growth of 6% in one year. under this weak economy everything is worth under this president. we have less than 2 perdz growth and that's why there is little tax revenue in because we are in the midst of a recession. bill: that's why the republicans have run to this plan that seems to be part of the gang of six. it's great to have you son. i look forward to talking to you have soon. we have to get out of this corner. i'm not quite sure how it goes. thank you for your ideas today. rand paul out of kentucky. le markets were moving on wall street. investors reacting from a new report from apple by the way. they came out with a gang-buster

number yesterday. man oman, off about nine, ten points in early trading. dow closing 202 points higher yesterday. coming up around 12,000 6/hundred. bumping up again, right, heather? >> should insurance companies have to cover the price of birth control? it's part of the the president's new health car law. a fair & balanced debate. greg: drinking beer, speaking pot all before going back to work. these workers having a little too much fun during the lunch break. >> do you know what that is right there on a boat? it's a shark, and it's alive. wait until we tell you how it got there. gregbill: it's not supposed to e there, right?

>> a panel of experts recommending health insurance plans give women continue septembewomen contraceptivesfre. president obama may be taking that advice to heart by inch acting that by 213. we have a panel of physicians. thank you for joining us. i'll pose the story to both of you, should the government, bottom line be involved in repro duct tkeuf health, sandy, i'll begin with you. >> absolutely know shall i say $14 trillion in debt, we are talking about paying for breast bumps, and the

morning-after-pill. things are available, planned parenthood makes them available, they have lots of surplus every year. if they are concerned about this let them give this away like they want our tax dollars to do. the government should not be doing this. >> dr. london your take. >> absolutely. averting unexpected pregnancy are more expensive than contraceptive. 40% of pregnancies are unintended. if we want to talk about reducing teenage practicing nancy and abortion to make it easily available without the ridiculous co-pays the insurance companies are charging is the way to go. this should be a decision between her woman and her physician, not the government or her insurance company. when you look at unintended pregnancies those women are less likely to receive timely prenatal care. they are more likely to drink,

smoke, be victims of domestic violence. the babies born tend to be premature and low birth date and are at risk of development problems later. those are all issues that need to be addressed. >> i do want to go back to something you just said that the government should be involved and should not make this choice for woman, but yet are they not maybe being the choice for people who do not agree with this for pre lidge us purposes, they are being forced to sign on? >> let those people put more money into a fund that will cover the complications of the pregnancy and the life-long issues that the children are going to have from being low birth date and premature. who is going to pay for the developmental delays, for all the extra things that have to happen? if it's such an issue to pay this cheap little fee for birth control, let them put it into a fund, absolutely. >> you have the final word. >> wear $14 trillion in debt. you are a disgrace to our

gender. it makes no sense. we can't afford it. women have to start irresponsible sex. >> we pay for viagra but not birth control. >> i'm totally against that too. we can't afford it. let's be responsible women, stop making excuses and providing a way to get women out of trouble when they should be responsible in their behavior. >> thank you so much. this is definitely a hot topic all over the country and we appreciate your incite. sandy rios and dr. london, thank you. bill: he is accused of shooting 13. one of the worst shootings on a military face in history. hasan goes before a court

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heather: american tech giant apple riding high on record profits, but ceo steve jobs, he's busy denying reports that his board of directors is apparently shopping for his relaysment. jobs sent out an email calling talk of his succession plan, hogwash. bill: a real head scratcher out of colorado, an inmate suing correction officials for saying his life. he is serving life without parole for the murder of his pregnant girlfriend e. says prison guard failed to heed a no cpr order after he was found unconscious in side of his very

well cell. does he have a case? my next guess, a district attorney says he might. how do you make that case? >> when you hear it it sounds somewhat perverse. he may have a case here. it's an interesting issue, there are a lot of srar rabls. first of all was he competent when he signed that d & r or do not resuscitate order. his lawyers admit he is bi-polar, he has other circumstances. this is a man who was found unconscious in his prison cell. for 90 minutes prison officials worked on him, then it went to the er tech and the hospital. dnr is applied to healthcare professionals. prison guards are not healthcare officials. if he is trying to commit suicide, in colorado it is illegal to assist in a saw side.

so they actually could not use that dnr. bill: you're taking it both ways, but in this case the law was set up to help the terminally ill, correct? >> exactly, to help them to not prolong. bill: he wasn't one of them. >> it's set up to not prolong a terrible quality of life. this guy for some unknown reason was unconscious and they were trying to help him. he may have a claim. the 90 minutes go on, the prison guards are helping him. after that the medical emergency personnel came in, put a tube in him and took him in the hospital. should they have located that dnr and informed the emergency personnel of that. if that is the case he may get a windfall. they saved his life.

bill: you're saying based on the time that passed this hour and a half that they could checked it and figured out what he had signed up for. still, he's not terminally ill. >> i don't think he should prevail but it's the only place he may prevail. he's not terminally ill, they are not unnecessarily prolonging his life for no reason. this is a guy for all they knew passed out, choked on something, was having a heart attack. bill: or tried to commit suicide. >> exactly. bill: we'll see if he has a case in the end ultimately. the judge will decide. heather what is coming up skwhra.heather: she is the onlyn in the group and michelle bachman is surging in the latest gop polls. karl rove on bachman's strong new numbers and what they could mean for the republican race, coming up of the

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bill: here we go, "fox news alert," rightow, known that's gang of 6, three republicans, three democrats, all senators, meeting at this hour. behind closed doors, on the debt. some believe their proposing is a breakthrough in the crisis. and, president obama praising the bipartisan group of senators, but a luke warm reception from some leading lawmakers, and, perhaps, this hour, might hear from some of them as they break their silence, good morning i'm bill hemmer here, heather, how are you doing. >> lots of numbers. thanks for having me, i'm heather childers in for martha maccallum and the bipartisan packa package, tax code changes and spending cuts and the president says the type of approach he has talked about from day one. bill: and we hear from leading republicans, too, saying the president has been short on ideas. >> the president's actions have not matched his rhetoric. he talked about getting serious about cutting spending, and we still have not seen the president's plan.

it times for the president to get serious about working with congress, to solve this impending crisis. bill: what about that? mike emanuel is live on the north lawn of the white house. good morning to you, mike. >> reporter: good morning. bill: can they get it done? i mean, even if they agree to it, the gang of 6 by the august 2nd date. >> reporter: that is a fascinating question and i have not gotten a straight answer, honestly. i talked to a leading democrat in the u.s. senate, and he said, it takes weeks if not months for the congressional budget office, the nonpartisan congressional budget office to determine exactly if a piece of legislation does what it says it will do. will it really cut $4 trillion, in spending over the next decade or so? but, then there are others who will tell you that it is amazing how quickly the united states senate and the congress can work when it sets its mind to it. so i talked to a white house aide, who said i wouldn't say for sure that we can't get it

done by august 2nd. i don't know we have reached that conclusion yet. perhaps that is the thing being discussed behind closed doors but it was certainly fascinating the way so many bipartisan lawmakers jumped on the plan, even a hint of a plan, yesterday. bill: before they even read the plan. now, the president says this is all consistent with what he has been urging, and he has not offered any plans of his own, on paper, they argue. how is that consistent, then, mike? >> reporter: well, yeah, his critics would say, mr. president, where is your plan and his supporters would say that essentially, he's called for a balanced proposal, that everything should be on the table. including revenues, including taxes, and, so they say that he laid out the broad guidelines and he has also been clear in what he wants in those private meetings, we had so many of here at the white house and here's more from the president about what he likes about the gang of 6 plan. >> president barack obama: the good news is that today, a group

of senators, the gang of 6, democrats and republicans, i guess now a gang of 7, because one additional republican senator added on, put forward a proposal that is broadly consistent with the approach that i have urged. >> reporter: now the fascinating politics at this time are such that when people, republicans, heard the president come out, in favor of... some republicans said maybe i'm not in favor and there are some who questioned whether the president coming out so strongly in favor might actually jeopardize making progress on the issue. bill? bill: and we'll wait for them to come to the microphone, look out for the green machine behind you. they are going crazy today at the north lawn! thank you, mike. we'll get our own answers when we talk to a member of the gang of 6, kent conrad, the chairman of the senate budget committee is a member of the gang of 6 and we'll talk to him, this hour. and figure it out. heather: get money for lawn service, apparently! meanwhile the debt debate turns ugly on capitol hill, a nasty

fight under way with two members of congress at each other's throats. it started with congresswoman and chairman of the dnc, debbie wasserman schultz and she took a shot at tea party republican alan west. for supporting the cut, cap and balance bill. and congressman west firing back with an e-mail, calling her the most vile, unprofessional and despicable member of the house. >> she's not a victim, she has been attacking alan west for quite some time and i finally had to let her know, enough is enough and i copied mccarthy and cantor and, nancy pelosi, because they need to be aware of this pattern of behavior. >> reporter: peter doocy has the latest on this. hi, spirit. >> reporter: hi, let's start at the beginning and republican congressman alan west gets on the house floor and speaks about cut, cap and balance and debbie wasserman schultz follows him and she was critical but never mentioned his name, just his state, listen: >> president obama has vowed to

veto this bill, which ends the medicare guarantee, and incredulo incredulously, the senator from florida, who represents thousands of beneficiaries, unbelievable from a member from south flashes and, it is essential to winning the future in favor of protecting tax breaks for big oil, millionaires and companies who shift american jobs overseas. >> reporter: here's what the response was, to that, in part, you are the most vile, unprofessional and despicable member of the u.s. house of representatives. if you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. you have proven repeatedly that you are not a lady. therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me, and wests says that is nothing. >> these people have never seen me mad. so, this is nowhere near what

you know, being angry... but it was about enough is enough. and i think that that is my right to be able to say that. if people want to try to, you know, portray me was the bad guy, so be it but i will not allow anyone to take advantage of me and the niceness i exhibit and is not what i defended the country for 22 years, to be disrespected. >> reporter: wasserman schultz's office says, quote i don't think congressman west is upset at the congresswoman but, rather, the fact that she highlighted that he and other republicans are once again trying to balance the budget on the backs of seniors, children and the middle class, and, now, heather, wait and see if congressman west has anything to say about that. heather: i think he probably will. and i think that sums up what has been going on on capitol hill and while -- why we are where we are now. thank you very much, peter. >> reporter: thank you. bill: won't be the end. heather: no. bill: "fox news alert," right now, he's accused of gunning down 13 at a military base in texas. justice begins today for major nadal hasan, a us army

psychologist, set to appear in court only a few moments from now. a prosecutor and a roomful of witnesses saying that he opened fire inside a crowded processing center, that was november of 2009. today, he's expected to enter an official plea and kris gutierrez is live at fort hood, texas. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, to you, bill, we know under military law, he must enter a not guilty plea because he does face the death penalty in this case and the arraignment is not scheduled to begin until 2:30 local time at fort hood, the largest military installation in the the country and i'm also told, a judge could actually set a trial date, later on today. you will remember back on november 5th, 2009, witnesses say that he stormed into the processing center, wielding two handguns and began shooting at fellow soldiers and last year's 9 day evidentiary hearings 56 witnesses described how he yelled allah akbar, for god is great, in arabic, as he shot

soldiers, preparing to deploy overseas and, he was then shot and he's paralyzed from the waist down and he faces, as you said, 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 other counts of attempted premeditated murder. back to you. bill: kris gutierrez on post, fort hood, texas. heather: we have new developments surrounding operation fast and furious. that is, if you don't know the botched federal program that allowed 2,000 guns to be smuggled in or from the u.s. to mexico. 20 people who bought those weapons were arrested on gun trafficking charges, nearly all of them are now free and william lajeunesse tracked them down for us. william? >> reporter: heather, the mystery in the story is the buyers. who are they and where are they now and how did they get 20 to $50,000 a week to buy a million dollars word of guns?

in the biggest case the atf had going? well, we went to phoenix to find out, and you will not believe where we found them. >> hi. >> hi. i'm looking for... >> what is it regarding. >> are you aware that gun... indictment regarding purchase of firearms... >> no. >> ringing a bell. >> no. >> reporter: at the center of operation fast and furious, 20 defendants accused of trafficking guns to mexico. >> we feel very strongly that we have completely dismantled if not significantly dismantled a major organization. >> after thousands of man hours and millions spent going after the violent crime gang, we expected to find the suspects in jail, and we were wrong. >> i'm william lajeunesse, i correspondent with fox news. is there anything you want to say to these people who have been harmed by the guns that you bought? >> no. >> reporter: out of the 20, only one was in jail.

and the rest, went free. almost immediately, awaiting trial. >> it is pretty scary. you think that there are a lot of people that probably are not going to get out, they will be detained because of the risk. >> reporter: former u.s. attorney mel mcdonald said the defendants' release suggest the fast and furious scandal is also a failure. the operation sought to tear down an armed trafficking network from top to bottom and, the end user in mexico, said the money man, the strugglers and transporters and buyers, in the end, all prosecutors got was one middleman and a handful of straw buyers. >> a straw buyer is usually a kid who is 18 to i'll say, 25, maybe up to 30 years old. and, he needs a couple hundred extra bucks and knows somebody that knows somebody who has a way of making a couple extra bucks. >> reporter: we found basically the 18 to 22, 24-year-olds still living with their parents, usually, in kind of a run down part of town, and bottom line, this was a very big case an

expensive for taxpayers and all but one guy was let out, within 24 hours and the next congressional hearing on this is tuesday and the focus is on mexico. back to you. heather: unbelievable. thank you very much. william lajeunesse, raeporting for us. bill: 11 minutes past the hour, new poll numbers show michelle bachmann making a run and wait until you hear where governor rick perry is, and what he says about the possibility of being a environment. not so much, karl rove on brand new poll numbers and we'll talk to him about that. heather: and these guys were caught swigging beer and smoking dope while they were supposed to be building aublts. tod -- automobiles, and probably wishing they just had a hoagie in the break room instead. bill: and, problems for solving the debt matter, the republicans say there is still one person who has still not put in his 2 cents to date. >> people are putting plans on the table and that is good and

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bill: she is getting a boost in a new poll. according to the latest wall street journal numbers, michiele bachmann is surging at 16% and a month ago she was at 3% and mitt romney leads the pack, well ahead at 30% and, governor rick perry and ron paul, the congressman and newt gingrich at 8%. what about this? karl rove, deputy chief of staff for president bush and a fox news contributor among many other things with me, now, good morning to you, karl, back in your home state of texas. >> that's right. good morning, bill. bill: what is bachmann doing? >> moving up dramatically in the polls. and actually there are three stories here.

story one is, and we don't talk about it much, is, is a steady and consistently, mitt romney is out in front and what we are talking about is the movement below mitt romney and the battle to become the not mitt romney candidate and they'll end up being -- these things tends to end up having the front-runner and the not front-runner camp and today, bachmann is winning the not mitt romney primary to become the person who could go one-on-one with him next year. and the third story, we don't pay much attention to, is, these are national polls. and, as a result they sometimes mislead us. because, at this point, for example, in 1999, dan quayle and elizabeth dole and lamar alexander were trailing george w. bush and behind them, was the guy who ultimately became bush's principal opponents in the 2000 primaries, john mccain. of air, who at this point was polling like at 3%, but because of the way he organized his campaign and the focus he jumped up. and, this is good news for her and puts her in the lead of the

not romney scramble and, puts her in a good place, provided she does well in iowa and does well in new hampshire. bill: to be clear you say polling from history doesn't tell us anything about the future? is that what you are saying? >> it is a weak guide, because, again, elizabeth dole and lamar alexander and they were all out polling john mccain and he did the grassroots organizing that was necessary to -- for him to jump into real contentious, in new hampshire, by beating bush. bill: i've got you. now, as we go back to 2012, what do you make of the migraine story that has developed this past week surrounding michelle bachmann? is that an issue or not? >> well, a president's health and a vice presidential's health become issues and they've had to make their medical records available to doctors representing news organizations, who write them up and, obviously, for example, this was a critical question about vice president -- there was a

question about vice presidential candidate dick cheney, and for the bachmann campaign this is the first big challenge. it is evidence of what happens when you jump in into the top ranks of the polls and the scrutiny you get and it will be important to get the doctors out here quickly and provide medical records and reassurance people will want to have... bill: we'll keep an eye on that and see how she handles it, rick perry in your home state of texas. is he running or not? what are you hearing. >> look, he's sitting over there on the second floor of the state capitol behind me and there is no doubt in my mind and a lot of texans' minds that he's running and there was a big meeting with fund-raisers from around the state and country and there will be two more such events here, next week in which he's invited people to come down and talk to him about what they've said and they believe it in prince -- the principal obstacle to running and that is making sure they have the ability to raise money and there is no doubt in my mind, that he is in the race. >> he's in the race?

that is a "yes" then? >> yes. bill: chris christie is going to iowa. is he teasing out. >> he's not teasing us, he's doing the thing a party leader ought to do, a popular party leader ought to do and that is help spread the message and help them define the party stamps on these big important issues, he's a popular figure and couldn't be clearer he is not running in 2012 but that doesn't mean he should fall into the woodwork. he should shoulder the responsibility for moving the party forward. bill: we'll see what he says in iowa, too, which will give us maybe -- reinforcing exactly what you said, maybe, which has been said many times out of new jersey. thank you, karl, see you soon in new york, okay? karl rove, you got it. heather, what is next. heather: drinking beer and smoking pot, a little break and bake you could say for the good old boys at chrysler. today, they'll have a lot more time to catch that buzz. bill: the shuttle atlantis will

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heather: dim-witte d-day ja view in detroit as auto well, are suspended for drinking and drugging on the job, again. that's right.

a local news station tipping off chrysler group about the illicit afternoon gatherings and workers caught on camera swigging beer and smoking pot, on their lunch breaks. and, earlier this year you may remember employees caught drinking before worker and they were fired or suspended and chrysler now announcing the latest suspension, after reviewing the videotape an confirming the employees' identities. >> made for an interesting afternoon. heather: yes. bill: all right, now the shuttle atlantis making one last trip back, touching down at the kennedy space center in florida, one final time and nasa bringing the 30-year shuttle era to a close and a bit earlier this morning i talk with the crew on board atlantis, listen here. the astronaut tweeted from space a few hours ago, a beautiful picture. and, he said this on this is tweet, when will such a beautiful ship dock again to the international space station? and i think that is what you and so many people down here in

america are wondering, and i... to pilot hurly, you were driving at the time. what was the separation like, knowing it was the last time? >> i was just unbelievably breath taking, as we backed away from the iss yesterday. you know, we got up to 600 feet, and, as the sun rises, behind us, it lights up the arrays first and then the rest of the station and it was just beautiful, and we really enjoyed you know, one last lap around the international space station before we started to head home. bill: the shuttle commander, chris ferguson, gene cernan said, if we don't watch where we are going, we will end up where we are headed. what you do you think about the united states relying on the russians, for at least five years to get back in space with

manned space flight? >> they are great, reliable partners. now, should we be dependent upon them? i don't think it is necessarily a case of us or them. i really think we need a redundant way, two different ways to get people to low earth orbit and, you know, it is -- there is certainly a gap here, and i have no particular issue with relying on partners, because that is what partners are for. and, to help you through, perhaps a time where you need pull back and regroup. so, you know it is' short hiatus but i'm confident our commercial partners and we have seen space-x launch and recover a vehicle safely in the pacific ocean and there are other commercial partners that are not far behind and it will be a few years and you know, i'm a little uneasy with the single string to orbit, in other words, one way to do it but we'll recover from this and use the resources, we have devoted to the shuttle program to do that. bill: you think about the gap, 25 years ago, ronald reagan invited the friends and am lies

of the united states -- allies of the u.s. to join the u.s. in the space program. and the resolve was that beautiful structure you left behind the international space station. specialist sandy magnus on the question, what does president obama need to do to help lead nasa to that next stage? >> well, certainly i think we need a long term space plan, you know, space flight is a very complicated business and it takes plans that last longer than two or three or four years. and we need a decades long plan, and we need to stay focused on the plan and need to execute that plan. it is not something, developing vehicles and operating in that space needs long term thinking, planning and commitment and that is certainly a good place to start. bill: i hope you are right. specialist rex wallheim gets the

toughest question. what was the best music. >> they are all amazing and it was a treat to sit there in the dark of the space shuttle, to listen to the songs, and, then, more important, than the song was the personal greetings, those fantastic artists took time out to say good morning to us and, it meant the world to us. so they were all wonderful. bill: i bet it did. thank you for your time. come on home safely, okay? god bless you all and god bless america. thanks for that. >> thank you, bill, we appreciate it. bill: you bet. bring it on home. atlantis scheduled to land tomorrow morning, 5:56 a.m. eastern time, live here on the fox news channel, special edition of "fox & friends" coming your way. melancholy, i must say. heather: oh, yes. bill: sad to see it end and they've committed their lives to this. heather: yes. bill: what a commitment it has been. heather: and i love the pictures we see from space and what is so cool, that you can actually talk to them! you know?

bill: cool job! tomorrow morning, 5:56 a.m., we'll have it for you. >> we'll be there. republicans calling out the president for not offering any ideas of his own in the debt battle. the white house saying that is what makes obama a good leader? really? a fair and balanced debate on that, ahead. bill: and ever sit in bumper to bumper traffic and you wish you could fly over the gridlock? we're not day dreaming any more, folks. check this out.

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flying car later. lawmakers no doubt wishing they could get up and fly away. republican lawmakers repeatedly said that president obama had failed to lead on the debt crisis. now the white house is hitting back on the claims. here is white house press secretary jay carney. >> leadership is not proposing a plan for the sake of having it voted up or down and likely voted down because it is -- look, you know how this town works and how congress works. if an individual, whether a democrat or republican leader steps forward and says, this is my plan and solely my plan, it makes it a lot harder for the plan to be the basis for bi-partisan compromise. heather: congressman paul ryan disagrees. >> there are people putting plans on the table, that is good. i'm glad people are putting plans on the table. there is one person who is pretty important in all of this who hasn't put a plan on the

table, that is president obama. during all this talk we've got even speeches, press conferences, we have yet to see any proposal from the president to fix this problem. heather: brad blakeman is a former assistant to george w. bush. and alan pwoepls is a fox host. do you think president obama has not put a plan of his own because he's worried about political ramifications. >> that's what the republicans would like to believe. you have republicans putting forth plans that have no chance whatsoever. they are doing it for show to prove to their tea party brothers that they are actually in the corner, then they'll submit and say, okay we did the best we could do. they are wasting our time and taxpayer money putting forth plans that have no chance. that is not leadership. the president over and over again have incited leadership to

the right to the white house, working with them. that's leadership. it's working whether in front or behind the scenes in order to get something done. that's what leadership is. heather: brad, what do you think about that? are republicans just coming up with plans to come up with plans? >> absolutely not. look, would this president ever been elected if he said to the person people u know what, i don't have any plans. i'm just going to sit in the white house and wait for people to come to me with a plan. that is out rages. as a candidate obama had a plan and chance for everything. but sadly as president he has the answer to nothing. he sits in the white house like a potantate or monarch and says, when you come to a plan you let me know and i'll tell you whether i'll sign it or not. alan look at the polls. the vast majority of americans think the americans are on the wrong track. it's because the fish rots from the head and the president has

not lead. >> look at the approval rating of congress, 28%. you look at which candidate republican voters like, no one gets more than 7 or 8%. >> a generic republican wins against the president. >> the problem is when you name one of them. heather: he did campaign for change and one of the things that he said he was going to change is transparency in government. >> an did. heather: and that is not happening. >> i don't agree with you that it's not happening. we've seen transparency in healthcare. >> i want to respond to that. you say he gets accused by the right, all he's doing is giving spoefps and holding news conferences. that is transparency. then he's accused of not having transparent seat. you can't have it both ways. heather: the news conferences say and the fund-raising appearances -- let's talk about

that a little bit brad. >> this guy spends more time on the golf course or on the road raising money. >> that is not true. he's actually raising money. >> and producing a plan. let's go back to heretofore care, you said it was transparent. quite the opposite. remember what pelosi said we have to pass it so we know what is in it. it wasn't available to the american people. nobody read the bill, they couldn't have possibly digested the bill itself, there are about 40,000 other pages you have to read to understand the bill itself. >> here is what is so sad about this. we have a real budget issue and the american people want to see us come together. let's beat up on the president saying, he has no leadership. they call debbie wasserman violent and despicable. they go after everyone who likes obama. you're busy saying obama is not a leader, that is not

leadership. >> the president needs to lead by locking the leadership up in the white house until the deal is made. we are at a critical stage in our economy and this president subcontracted leadership. two weeks ago it was joe biden who was supposed to solve the problem. >> you don't want him to get any traction with this man, so you're going after the president. heather: i think the rhetoric is going back and forth from both sides. thank you very much for joining us. bill: the american family now a powerful metaphor in the great debt debate. the president saying most families in debt still find a way to pay their bills adding that washington could learn a few lessons from hard-working households. some are wondering how american families are balancing their own budget especially in these tough times. james rosen is live in d.c. with

a look at this. >> reporter: this notion that uncle sam should conduct his financial affairs the way a typical family american tkoerbgs indeed if the federal government can even do that has taken on the aura of self-evident truth. >> the people who put us here can gain some confidence that we're going to begin to live like we do around their kitchen tables and in their businesses. >> american people know when they sit at their kitchen table they say no we won't reduce the amount of money that we spend on food and clothing if we have to make sure our kids continue to go to college or pay the college bill. >> reporter: debt to me is not the same as debt to uncle sam. here is a kitchen table for a typical american family of four with an average annual income of over 85 grand and annual expenditures of 65 grand the family's biggest bill usually is for housing, 22,000 dollars a year. next comes transportation,

whether you've got your own ride or taking mass transit that is about 11 grand a year. then comes food. not even at the bureau of statistics would recommend stake and fries every day. that cost an average familiar leave four almost 9 grand a year. factor in entertainment as well as healthcare, we didn't even depict taxes here. the family of four may not have the $65,000 a year to vacation in hawaii. james powell explains to us why the family of four can't raise its own debt ceiling. >> because people look at the income of a family, and they -- you know, the lenders are going to be quite careful about default. in the case of the united states, you know, we're this gigantic powerful economy and again the world wants our paper. >> reporter: in our next segment you will sit at the president's desk, the sort of family,

kitchen table for the country and you'll see how the federal budget works. we promise we won't show anything from this computer here. bill: that could be a problem. interesting stuff, james. looking forward to the next report too as we work through this again. fox news alert right now the battle over the budget deal is going forward inches at a time. at the moment a bipartisan gang of six senators meeting in washington. we will be joined by a member of that group, kent conrad will be our guest and tell us what they just talked about, whether or not this thing has a chance or not. the senator is up next. are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today.

bill: going to need a bigger boat, heather. maybe the best line for the movie jaws in 1975. maybe because researchers thought the same thing when a great white leaped into the

boat. they poured water over the shark's gils to keep it aeu alivaliveuntil they could get ao put it back in the water. heather: new developments in that mystery at a san diego mansion. the sister of a woman found hanging on a balcony at her billionaire's boyfriend's mansion denied it was a suicide. she was found bound and hanging at the home of jonah shacknai. it same two days after his six-year-old son fell down the stairs at the mansion. max died of his injuries on sunday and we hear the autopsy roults for the woman could be back soon. rod wheeler a former d.c. homicide detective and a fox news contributor is here to sort out the details with us. >> good morning, heather.

heather: good morning. the sister says she does not believe this was suicide. do you agree? heather: yes, i totally agree with the sister. here is the reason that the sister said that she does not believe this was suicide, heather. i think this is very important for the viewers to understand. the sister had a telephone conversation with r rebecca the might before rebecca allegedly hung herself, and according to the sister there was no indication whatsoever that rebecca was experiencing any kind of depression. she wasn't disrespondent. there was no reason whatsoever. so that is something that definitely the police department, the investigators are going to have to consider. there was no note left or anything like that to support a suicide skwhrao. heather: you also don't think that the fall of max, the little six-year-old was an accident. >> not at all. many years of investigating homicides and suicides and accidental deaths. let me tell you something, a 6-year-old boy very healthy such

as max, he runs up and down the stairs every day as we all know, six-year-old boys do that. for him to fall and kill himself on a fall on a carpeted stairwell. and i underline the word carpeted stairwell is suspicious, i don't believe this was an accident at all. heather: what will he be looking for when the autopsy comes back? >> a couple of things real quickly here. as far as max' autopsy is concerned the things we want to look for, are these injuries consistent with what we call a rolling fall. he should have certain injures on his body that is consistent with that versus a sudden impact. the other thing that is very, very important here is that when rebecca was found hanging by adam which is the brother of jonah. adam told the police he cut ra beck today down. if you think about it rebecca's body was found by the medical technicians in the courtyard. here is the yes, when he cut her down from the balcony did he let

her drop to the ground or did he pull her off and bring her into the room? how did her body end up in the courtyard? that's something we haven't heard anybody talk about and that is very significant. heather: good questions. thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us, rod wheeler, thank you very much. bill: a bizarre story. heather: lots of questions there. bill: we have questions in washington too that every american is asking now. in a moment the meeting that features the gang of six, those six senators, it's just taken a break and senator kent conrad is report of that group. he is our guest in a moment. we'll see whether or not this plan can fly, next. 

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bill: fox news alert, critical meeting on our debt crisis wrapping up now. the senate's bipartisan gang of sikh. one democratic senator kent conrad with me now. just out of that meeting. senator, good morning to you. i want to put specifics for -- these are just broad strokes about your plan, reduce the tkeuf set 3.7 trillion over ten years, reduce the cost of medicare and medicaid over ten years. increase revenue by a trillion dollars over that same decade. again that is just a broad outline. why are people running toward this idea all of this sudden? >> i think because they know that we have got to address the debt threat. we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar as we spend as a country. our gross debt it a hundred percent of our gross domestic product. most say when you reach a debt of that level you reach the danger zone that puts at risk

your future effect growth. and this is a bi-partisan plan, three democrats, three republicans. it builds on the plan of a fiscal commission. so it's the only bi-partisan plan that has come from anywhere, and it really does get us in a position to deal with our long-term debt problem. bill: and they are very long too. the commission you talked about erkskin bowles and simpson. "the washington post" says our debt would still be at 70% of the economy in ten years. that is ten years down the road. nancy pelosi says this idea is not ready for prime-time. she is a democrat. what do you say to that? >> obviously i disagree. look, we have had a chance to brief on the senate side. we've not had a chance to brief on the house side, so i'm not

surprised that people are perhaps more skeptical there. they have not had a chance for a full review of what we've proposed. in the senate we had about 50 sendses at a meetin50senators y. after they heard the detaeuflts plan, senator after senator, stood up and said, look, i'm in, count me in. this is what we have to do. this is a compromise but what is what is required here. the democrats control the senate, the republicans control the house, we will not do anything without a compromise. bill: i'm short on time as you know. but the house republicans, especially the freshmen, members of the tea party caucus, how do you sell the idea of raising revenues of a trillion dollars over ten years? >> because the way we are doing it is to broaden the base, reduce the exemptions, exclusions, credits that now proliferate in the code and

actually reduce tax rates. in addition we eliminate the alternative minimum tax, which increasingly is threatening middle class taxpayers by the tense of millions in this country. in addition the congressional budget office would score this plan, compared to current law as a one and a half trillion dollar tax cut. bill: there is more to explore here. in three minutes time we can't do it all. we are rub inch the surface. we'd hr-f to talk to you again, senator, maybe tomorrow. kent conrad. heather: running out of time. brand-new home sales numbers are out. what they say about the national economic health and the possibility of a double-dip recession. that is next.

bill: this traffic jam, how i hate to be late. heather: a solution, possibly. bill: we promise you tomorrow,