closed captioning by closed captioning services, inc. >> sean: the gang of six, cut, cap and balance. now word congressional leaders could soon reach a deal. kevin mccarthy has the latest. >> bill maher's outrageous comments finally draw some criticism. tonight ann coulter. a frequent guest on his show is here with reaction. >> america's mayor giuliani is here to layout his timetable for a possible run for the republican nomination. >> i have to think about the rest of the country. what kind of chance do i have?

>> sean: the latest examples of the obamamania media's bias. >> you didn't just suggest that our budget problems because of president obama, did you? >> sean: we are on the road two 2012, hannity starts right here, right now with less than 12 days until america reaches its 14.3 trillion - debt ceiling there are reports that a deal to avoid default could soon be announced. democratic leaders were summoned to the white house for another round of meetings. rumors began swirling this afternoon when the new york times reported that the president and speaker of the house boehner were nearing an agreement. however, both sides are denying that report. speaker boehner told rush limbaugh, there is absolutely no deal. the administration went into damage control when a number of democrarats expressed surprise and outrage over the alleged developments. here's how jay carney began today's briefing. >> breaking news to report, you all have probably received

is incorrect. there is no deal. we are not close to a deal. we are obviously, the president is in discussions with all of the leaders of congress, as well as other members. and coloring the possibility of getting the biggest deal possible, a position he has held for a long time. >> sean: what remains unclear if is an agreement is secured will republicans be onboard? the only solution at the moment that has been passed in the house is the gop's cut, cap and balance plan. senator demint discussed the measure today. >> the democrats can control the floor. they can control the debate, add amendments as they will. we want that bay. we want americans to see what we're for and what they are for. no more empty rhetoric. we have a bill. we have a solution. it is only one that can be passed before the deadline. >> sean: hours after that statement harry reid blinked

and announced a vote will go down tomorrow morning in the senate. it is expected the democrats will likely defeat the bill. where does this leave us? is it possible that republicans would back a potential deal between the president and speaker? joining me with some answers house majority whip, congressman kevin mccarthy. how are you? >> well. >> sean: interesting things happened. democrats summoned to the white house. according to the "washington post" they are reacting negatively to reports that the tax hikes won't be immediate. there's got to be something going on. speaker boehner has called a 9 a.m. meeting with the house gop conference tomorrow. somebody seems to be going on. >> yeah, but what -- but watch what you read. the meeting is a scheduled meeting we always have during this time before we depart to keep everybody up-to-date of where we are and where we are

going. you want the update? the president still wants tax increases. you want to know what happened in congress so far? the president has never produced a plan. democrats in the senate have never produced a plan. bipartisan plan democrats voted for the cut, cap and balance, came out of the house. i don't understand why the senate can't pass that. what other plan is out there while waiting to get this done? >> sean: the house has done its job. i think it is clear and obvious, why were republicans voted into power? why was the 2010 election the biggest midterm election victory in 70 years? isn't it clear to you? >> it is very clear. their policies, this keynesian view of government spending so much. the idea of a stimulus that cost 278,000 for every job it created. if you want to compare us, look at what happened in canada. when canada faced the same

problem. they cut. canada has a less population than just california. they have a stronger job growth than america. they took care of their problem by cutting and they grew their economy and their dollar is stronger than the u.s. dollar. >> sean: i've been talking about that, great example. let me get you very specific. i was very angry with the u.s. senate this week. because all a sudden on the day this historic day, where you guys have a plan that's probably going to deal with the short term problems we have of interest on the debt and paying social security and medicare and the military and funding the government, not foughting. which i don't think is -- not defaulting. which i don't think is -- all of a sudden that morning new deal put on the table and negotiations. i felt in some ways it cut the legs out from under what should have been the focus of the day do you agree with

that? >> i agree with you. the other thing, there was no deal in this bipartisan deal because there was no bill. five page summary is not a a five page sum very how the democrats ran the shop around here. you have to pass the bill to find out what is inside it. that's not the way to . the american public is tired of the gimmicks, tricks and false promises. they deserve to know the truth. that's why you have a bill, cut, cap and balance. cut currently, cap it so government can't grow the way it has, we have a balanced budget. 16 we came one vote short. had we had that vote, imagine what we would be debating today? >> sean: i think that's the plan. it is frustrating. the president's playing a lot of games here. and the president obviously still wants the tax increase. the president has been scaring old people, unnecessary saeurpl. because we have the known pay

seniors. we have the money to payoff interest on the debt. the question i guess becomes, at this point, and i know conservatives want to know, is the house of representatives united in this sense, no gang of six deal. no mcconnell last minute ditched effort. can you tell us with any degree of certainty those are starters in the house? >> if that was gonna start in the house you would never see it get anywhere. we have been able to govern. in four short months we produced a budget. the senate has gone 813 days with never producing a budget with trillion dollar deficits. they are never going to produce anything. the president has led from behind, so many times. he's never produced a land that came down to the congressional budget office saying -- that is not leadership. you can't sit back and say what are you going to do if we are the only ones with the plan and they don't like it

amen it and show us what they do like. -- amend it and show us what they do like. >> sean: that's why i didn't like republicans who now have three plans. they are not really plans. negotiating against themselves. and the president has yet to produce a plan. they haven't produced a budget in the senate in 800 days. what is the next step? let's assume we can predict what is going to happen in the senate tomorrow. let's assume if it passes the president, does he follow through on his veto threat? then what happens august 2nd? >> this is a serious issue, august 2nd is a serious date the i would hope the president would take an opportunity to show what he's for that's what leadership is about. if this goes down in the senate, the house will continue to work to dom up with it. we are going to come up in the philosophy of solving a problem this is like having a great company managed terribly the shareholders came in and

took out of the of the board of directors. >> sean: many conservatives, including myself were unhappy with the 2011 budget deal. we felt in the end we didn't get what we were promised. can you assure conservatives, tea party members and people that think we have to deal with this problem, we can't kick the can down the road, can you assure them that is not going to happen here? >> look at what we voted. you are talking the budget deal we had energy policy, we dealt with entitlements we went further and we were you nighted then and this week. we know this country is worth fighting for. we are going to keep fighting. >> sean: you did repeal health care. you passed the ryan budget. cut, cap and balance. now what is the senate and president going to offer? i hope you guys hold firm. i think you are the last line of defense. congressman, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> sean: how badly have the gang of six hurt the gop? we check in with ann coulter, next.

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squish continues to stand by its plan to solve the deficit crisis but still have not managed to convince the gop players in the house of representatives to back it. beyond the tax increases the gang of six deal has pitted some of the country's most important republicans against each other on some of the nation's most pressing issues. joining me with analysis author of "demonic" coulter is back. how are you? >> fine, how are you? >> sean: i heard you were hanging out in hollywood with left wingers like your buddy bill, one question he gets too much attention. >> from you. >> sean: it seems like more angry, more bitter, more liberal, more hateful and nobody seems to care, why? >> you want me to have no other friends than you sean hannity. >> sean: exactly. >> i obviously don't agree with his politics. i like him he's a true and little friend. he always has been. and he bought me dinner so i'm

not going to say anything bad about him. >> sean: i don't want to silence the guy. if you said this stuff about democratic women. people would again, it is not new for you, call for you to be, you know -- >> they say that when i call for a lessening in these capital gains tax. they call me names. >> sean: i love when you go to these shows and they go to 40 years ago. >> right. >> sean: let's go where we are on in debt ceiling debate many first, the house deserves a lot of credit. they voted to repeal obama care. passed the ryan budget. now they did cut, cap and balance. they are holding strong the senate is squeamish wobbly republicans. why are they negotiating themselves? >> this latest thing from the gang of six is bad. one thing is definite is the tax increases. spending cuts more theoretical. congress will work those out this is the problem with the

system this going to be the debate for the rest of our lifetime. democrats have set up all these programs give treats to the people. social security, medicare and medicaid and you can't take the people's treats away. and we're going to keep spending and have the economy of zimbabwe. it is a big problem. i don't know why anyone who isn't an elected republican can't talk seriously about social is security and medicare and medicaid. according to obama's own treasury secretary are going to consume within 10 years, 92 cents of every federal budget dollar. that isn't a system that can last. yet, a majority of americans say don't touch social security. don't touch medicare this is what the democrats are saying. that's why you keep having these -- remember rudd man and the concorde coalition?

no elected politician, republican or democrat will talk about reforming social security. >> sean: we always get the tax increases, spending cuts, reagan never came, george her burt walker bush, they never come. the idea they are going to hand it over, it is not going to happen. -- you raised a more fundamental question why they need to stand strong here. that is, philosophically, we've become -- look what happens when they put austerity measures in place in europe. look at what happened to greece. if we don't do it now the pain is going to be greater. >> so much worse if we don't start now the entire country will be like california. which we are soon not going to be able to give back to mexico. i have to say, at the same time this is why something we disagree on. i support the mcconnell bill -- >> sean: i'm still back to california, go ahead. >> it is true.

i want to stay focused on this that is the brilliance of the mcconnell plan is he puts the spending cuts back in the democrats' lap, in obama's lap. come up with your spending cuts equivalent. because they won't do it. even the gang of six won't do it. that's republicans and democrats, arm and arm. an elected politician will never name a spending cut. tax depreciation schedule -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: that's what is good about this bill rooted in fundamental conservatism. this is now a philosophical divide about what america is going to look like. i listen to these really mouthed moderates, -- these really mouthed moderates. they don't stand and why the seven of the eight years of the bush years were good until they started spending too much. here's my question, as we watch this unfold, right now it seems that america is at a

cross roads. 1 in 7 on food stamps. >> right, there are some taxes i think should be increased. the mistake of the bush tax cuts, he put so many off the rolls. [ unintelligible ] everyone has got to pay some taxes. point two, i think we need an open your yap tax, if you are a billionaire and call for taxes being raised, instantly, i think we need a wealth tax not just an income tax specifically on those guys and their taxes should be doubled every time they come out for my taxes being raised. a simple fix. >> sean: congrats on your new book. >> thank you. >> sean: tell your buddy bill maher hello. >> you're my own friend sean. >> sean: coming up former

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>> sean: while former new york city mayor giuliani insists he has not made up his mind about entering the presidential race. he did pay a visit to new hampshire a destination that tends to raise eyebrows. i sat down with the former mayor to get answers. plus his thoughts on the great debt debate. mr. mayor, good to see you. i gotta get this out of way. we are going to talk finances here. a lot of rumors, you are making -- thinking about making a run. where are you with this? >> i was in new hampshire last week, a couple days. i got a lot of advice i got a lot of advice about new hampshire. got to think about the rest of the country. what kind of chance did i have? how are the candidates doing? my objective is, we cannot have president obama after

next year. this has been -- look at what he has put us through with this debt thing is because the president doesn't lead. republicans, democrats fighting with each other in the house. the president has never outlined -- this is outrageous! if i were the mayor of new york and said i'm not going to do a budget i'll let the city council. he's done everything this way. health care this way. the reason health care turned out to be such a mess is he never had a plan. he waited for what the people in the house said, people in the senate. now he's working with democrats, republicans. nobody knows what the heck he's doing. >> sean: he's not put down on paper what his plan is. >> the single biggest outrage here. if we default, and i hope we don't. if we default, 90% of the responsibility is on the president. not on even the democrats or the republicans in the house. highs the leader. he's the chief -- he's the leader.

he's the chief executive. he's yet to outline a plan because he's too darn afraid. we know he doesn't want to do cuts. at least be honest. he wants the minimum number of cuts and maximum amount of tax increases and battle out that whole thing. >> sean: you took over new york city at a time where it was a mess. and you -- you were in the middle of one war after another. >> always outlining my plan from day one. day after i got elected, i sat down quickly selected a head of omb and we mapped out a plan. it wasn't the greatness the world, but it worked. i was willing to compromise. but it was my plan. i learned that from ronald reagan. i worked with ronald reagan, day one he had a strategy, he had to compromise a little here and there. he was great at saying if he can get 80% he won. but it was all his plan. he was leading. saying these are the tax cuts we need, reductions in spending, 10% across the board cut. then you fight about the.

the president of the united states does the leading. -- reason we have a president that can't do it, you have made this point over and over he's never done a budget before. we take a guy who has never done a budget and give him the biggest budget in the world to run. of course he's going to screw it. he's never had executive responsible. now he's dealing with one of the most complex problems. he has two rigid groups on either side. republicans who say, no tax incrosses. -- increases. maximum reductions. democrats say increase 80% if they can get their way. >> sean: the president even say you don't raise taxes during recession or economic slow down. it seems like you're right democrats want to raise taxes. you mentioned reagan. reagan dropped the top marginal rate. you lowered taxes as mayor. >> which is what should happen here. >> sean: the president won't move on this. the republicans have passed

two bills in the house. they've done their job. they've done what they were hired to do. >> it is time for him to put up something. >> sean: okay. >> put up something. unfortunately, i thought the whole plan of the gang of six, although it had some good elements, i liked the tax reform, reducing the marginal rates. it recognizes a trillion from tax reduction. it is very hard getting any of these government agencies to recognize that. on the other hand, it net raises taxes which is a terrible mistake and would be a drain on our economy. the thing i don't like about it is, we should not be introducing raising taxes when we have a president who has already said this is not the time to do it. >> sean: i've been bringing up the last couple of days, my anger at the republicans. frankly, their negotiating tactics have been lame. here you had on the day cut, cap and balance, which i think

is a solid plan to deal with problems -- >> short term and long term the only way out of it. >> sean: you agree with me and the house. on the same day the president gets to steal the thunder and walk into the press room and say we've got another plan so the country doesn't focus on -- the republicans gave the president that opening. >> this is the problem when you don't have the white house, you don't have leadership. like they don't have leadership, we don't. we have a house of representatives, one set of leaders. we have a senate where everybody is the leader. the senate is 10 leaders, 15 leaders, 20 leaders. no, they don't agree. you listen to them, they have different view points about how to do it. >> sean: it seems if the president has no plan and we've got three republican plans. >> then we are negotiating ourselves. which is a terrible mistake. i think i know the result here. the result is, they are going to kick this thing down the

road. this is a terrible mistake. we shouldn't default. we also can't have this deficit. both are equally crippling. hard to say which is worse. you have to deal with both if you want to straighten out our economy. >> sean: back to you and running for president. you went to new hampshire. where are you now? you are assessing the situation. >> i'm not leaning, i'm thinking. i listen to a lot of people. listen to their advice. some think it is a good idea to run, some think it isn't. you assess and try to figure out, can you win some primaries after new hampshire? i don't want to do this just to run. i want to do it only because i think i have the best chance of winning. if i think somebody else has a better chance, i don't want to spoil their chances it is too important that we replace obama. >> sean: when do you think you need to decide by?

>> end of august, september. >> sean: any one person you see now -- >> i like a lot of them. i'm going to keep that to myself until i decide what i'm going to do. last time i did it with john mccain i announced during a debate if i wasn't running i would be supporting john mccain. my staff got real angry. >> sean: mr. mayor, thanks. >> coming up the thrill up your leg obamamania media will get share spin. media mash is next. ♪

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>> sean: no surprise how the mainstream obamamania media has covered the debate in washington. calling cut, cap and balance a waste of time to placing all the blame on republicans if a deal cannot be reached. here to help us point out the outrageous examples brent

bozell. let's do this in order. it lays it out perfectly. first, the gang of six deal. that of course validates obama and does what the media wants. it raises taxes. roll the tape. >> there are now some republicans who are willing to back this tough comprehensive package that not only includes spending cuts but includes tax reform which means increased revenues that is broadly consistent with what president obama has long advocated. >> this gang of six. these six senators the number is growing. their bipartisan framework, the president believes gives him momentum. roughly the same thing he's been pitching about four trillion in deficit reduction. not just spending cuts, also tax increases. the president believes in gives momentum to his argument as opposed to the republican argument of no new taxes.

>> sean: brent hold your comments. i want to compare the disdain for cut, cap and balance is a waste of time. >> right now, house republicans are going to be voting on this balanced budget amendment, trying to get that added to the constitution. it might even get a vet in the senate. it has no cans of -- a vote in the senate. it has no chance of passage. >> tea party conservatives love this plan. the president said he's going to veto it. do we have time for a plan that is just show? >> no one believes this has any chance of passing. therefore, this looks political is that risky for the republicans in terms of it looking like they are just wasting time? >> sean: why don't they just -- i guess obama hands out a sheet everyday so they are all on the same page. >> it is remarkable. the media can sense the excitement with this gang of six. there's no legislation the gang of six proposal, because it includes tax increases,

revenue increases this is what they want. here's the incredible thing. you ran the quote saying that this is just a show thing. and ann curry says cc and b, cut, cap and balance is a waste of time. let me read what harry reid said on the floor of the senate today. it is as weak and senseless as anything that has come up on senate floor. he called it something he was going to dispose of. perhaps the worst legislation in the history of this country. they are saying the same thing he's saying. one final point sean hannity, on cnn tonight you've had one report after another talking how obama is winning and how people want tax increases. on the cnn poll, one thing no one at cnn is mentioning is question number 23: do you want cut, cap and balance? 66% of the american people want it. question number 25: do you want a balanced budget

amendment? 74% this is cnn's own poll and they are not reporting it tonight. they are reporting tax increases. >> sean: amazing. we are on the verge of becoming greece, we'll cut spending, cap spending and have a balanced budget amendment the public supports it. the next phase is if there is no deal the president's talking point. who do we blame? we blame the republicans. >> i think the idea of a big agreement, a big grand deal that would involve big spending cuts over 10 years i don't think that is going to happen that centers around the fact that republicans will not raise taxes in any way, shape or form. the president is only going to so much in terms of spending cuts if it doesn't involve tax increases. >> where are the concessions the republicans are willing to make? i heard the president saying he would be willing to talk about means testing for people on medicare. i don't hear any concessions from people on the other side.

they just say no taxes. >> sean: could it be any more obvious? >> no, no. sean hannity, bob schaffer ought to go work for moveon.org this is pathetic. 9 entire debate is one grand concession the entire debate is one ground concession by the republicans. the republicans don't want 2.3 trillion more in spending. rand paul was very good on your show last night. telling the story, it has been one huge concession by the republicans. bob schaffer knows that. that is such political posturing. i'm disgusted by these people. >> sean: we have a president 1.65 trillion in new debt this year alone. by the end of fiscal year over four trillion in obama debt. he hasn't even had a full term. if anyone dares to bring up his bills passed. his budgets passed. his stimulus spending. his health care.

his broken promises on cutting the deficit. they have all these things. it is unreasonable to say this is obama's spending. watch this from cnn. >> president obama has said he won't try and solve the problem he created with his spending unless people give him more money. >> what do you mean he created with his spending. you didn't just suggest our budget problem is because of president obama, did you grover? >> yes. >> okay. that's an unreasonable position. >> sean: it was his bill. his democratic congress. his stimulus. his health care. how is it not his problem? how is it not his fault? >> do the math, he came to office in 2009, 10.5 trillion dollars in debt. it is now 14.3. if he gets that increase it is going over 16 trillion. he's responsible for half the debt in this country. that's the math. >> sean: amazing.

it flowed perfectly tonight. brent bozell, good to see you. >> thank you. >> sean: when we come back our great, great american panel is next. after college, i moved back in with my parents.

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>> sean: joining us on our great, great american panel. chairman of civic forum and co-founder of project virginia, ford o'connell is here. he's getting in great shape, lifting weights, he's a rock star. joe trippi con -- congratulations. former reporter on host on fox sports model, tv personality and the biggest supporter of the troops along with gary sinise that i know, leeann tweeden is here. good to see you all. we have to give the full context of this bill weir is and colonel west controversy. when he was running here is

shultz attacking colonel west. >> it is no secret that allen west is a self-described right wing extremist. he wears his extreme disrespect as a badge of honor. he think it is okay to objectify and denigrate women. it is okay to take away our reproductive free comes. -- freedoms. >> sean: vicious attacks a great american war hero. now let's go to after colonel west supported cut, cap and balance here's what she said on the house floor, by the way, against the rules. >> in incredulously the gentleman from florida who represents thousands of medicare beneficiaries, as do i, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs. unbelievable from a member from south florida. >> sean: colonel west responded if a private e-mail to her she made public:

>> sean: here's the point. you lie about me repeatedly and say these vicious, vile, untrue things. what does she expect? >> when i was axbg$uw kid growg up. if you were going to pick a fight, you better pick it to my face. i think it was strong language on both sides. i don't mind that he said it. i think congressmen and women get into arguments like that all the time. i don't see what the big deal of it that she is making on it. >> sean: she acting like the innocent victim she drew first blood. >> she is not. the first clip you showed was candidate speaking against a candidate. and the she was on the floor. >> sean: denigrates women. >> that's all fair game outside the house.

on the house floor she didn't break any rules. >> sean: she lied about the substance, which is that colonel west is going to take away people's medicare benefits. that's a lie. >> colonel west could have shown some restraint. bill weir is -- tell the obama guys are scared of her with that said, this would not be a page one item if the shoe had been on the other foot this is media biased at its finest. my pac supported colonel wet and will continue to do so. >> sean: she want to take him down. he is a good american. >> in the end it is going to raise a lot of money for both of them. >> supposedly when he was running there was pamphlets sent out to the people in south florida with him and his wife's social security numbers. there were things on the left -- >> sean: she was there when the horrific vile, despicable

things were said. >> the media is rooting for the democrats. if you are a republican and step out of line for a the media is going to exploit it. if you are a democrat you are going to be given a bit of leeway. >> i think that's fair. laughing ] >> sean: i like that. i like the fact that you know, he's also not backing down. let's go to what he said on fox news earlier today. >> i could be very direct in my language, so be it. i think the people back in our district now about this history. they know about these attacks and enough is enough. >> anything you want to clarify or any part of your statement that you want to take back here today? >> not a chance. >> sean: i love when people don't apologize. especially when he's giving the broader context of the relationship. you agree? >> yeah and i think both sides are going to send out e-mails saying please send me money.

>> sean: we'll get your thoughts on the budget, steve wynn's comments. leeann tweeden is here, she throws us out. more with our great american panel is next. octor told me calm is besabsorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal.

>> sean: we continue with our great american panel. i thought steve wynn's rant was powerful. one of the co-founders of home depot is slamming the administration. today the impediments that the government imposes are impossible to deal with. home depot would never have succeeded if we tried to start it today. that's -- and so many other business people are saying it. >> absolutely. america's economy has ridden on the backs of small businesses. most of the businesses out there are small business people who are not going to be able to get off the ground with all the regulations, all the red tape and high taxes. when they are raising taxes you are going to start letting people go because you can't afford it. i think that obama and his administration really need to maybe have a conference with all these business leaders and go i don't think you know what it is like to run a business.

>> sean: romney is beating obama. he's got a 39% reelect rate in the gallup poll, devastating numbers. not a single metric on the economy where he's not in the 30s. >> he should be sitting down with the marcus' and wynn's you are hearing this repeatedly in end, the obama administration needs to understand that it's about jobs and turning the economy around. all this debt ceiling stuff in the end, i don't think is going matter. if you -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: he acknowledged that today. >> you have to listen to someone like bernie parcus he epitomizes the american dream. here's someone who grew up in a tenement, made a small business now he's a billionaire. he went from rags to riches better than anybody in america. he said if he can't do it in

this environment, how is anybody else going to get out of the gutter? they are not. everybody in florida with the unemployment rate going to wake up one day and say we have buyer's remorse. >> sean: this is why the republicans have a better hand than they think. that's why i'm so frustrating. >> obama is winning the argument. >> sean: no, he's not. because as brent bozell pointed out there's a poll that shows 74% of the american people support a balanced budget amendment. 63% support cut, cap and balance. which is their plan. the president's personal numbers are tanking. >> he's winning the argument. all those facts may be true, 73% want a balanced budget amendment but the republicans aren't making a case winning against the president. >> sean: why are his numbers going down? >> i don't know. i know just as a person that lives out there, everyone is affected by the economy.

people like me that i'm not an economist. i'm not a math major. all i know is that gas prices are high. it is harder to buy a house. the money that was in my account isn't worth as much as it used to be of the everybody is hurting in a way that we can feel it. we are relying on the people when he electric. they need to get it together. -- that when he electric. they need get it together. -- >> sean: i think there's an understanding that it is not a revenue problem. government is intoxicated. >> we have a spending problem. we are not going to get a balanced budget amendment passed. we have to go for a dollar for dollar tax cut. >> sean: increase the debt ceiling. >> kphraeubgt. if we target enough progressive -- programs like like harry reid could even wind up switching parties over this because they are going to get fried in the senate. >> harry reid going to switch

-- >> i wanted to see if you were awake. >> i think what is likely to happen is they are going to kick the can down the road again. >> sean: explain. >> i think the boehner/obama thing about the three trillion the administration is saying didn't happen. i didn't know if it did or not. has a decent shot at happening. it lets boehner off the shook hook. >> sean: how? >> there's no tax increases in it. >> that's key. >> key becomes can mcconnell and reid deliver between them -- [ talking over each other ] the russ feingolds are not there any more. >> sean: the bush tax cuts expire. tax increases are down the road. we are going to read details. conservatives like me are not going to support. >> this is the issue, we are going to keep revisiting it. >> sean: lenn