gut medicare. mudslingers should take this answer from one of former writers, he stachbdz for an america as an ideal, not as america as a practice. that is a wrap on fox >> judge jeanine: fox news alert. police feed your help. missouri mom is missing and her family fears the worst. >> she tells a friend she doesn't feel safe in her apartment. then she is found murdered. no sign of a struggle. no sign anyone has broken in. nothing. >> judge jeanine: who killed lauren and why? >> a missouri mom vanishes. police need your help. where is jackie waller? coming up tonight on justice. hello welcome to justice i'm judge jeanine pirro. it has been more than seven

weeks since her family has seen or heard from her. police suspect foul play. they need your help. jackie waller believed her biggest accomplishment in life was being a mom. the 39-year-old working mother doted on her three children. maddox, avery and add son. 5-year-old triplets. >> she has been an awesome mother. >> judge jeanine: her marriage was not happy. she and her husband, clay waller, a former cop, recently separated. jacquie and her kids moved in with her sister. she wanted a divorce, he wanted to stay together. june 1st, she attended a divorce hearing. then, at 4 p.m., headed over to clay's house pick up their son maddox. clay says, they got into a fight and she stormed off his property, by foot. her family became concerned when she didn't come home that

night. the next day, her car was discovered abandoned along a highway, with a flat tire. but no jacquie. >> we miss her so bad already. >> judge jeanine: her sister and family are eager for answers. so far, few clues. her disappearance has been especially agonizing for her children. >> when i woke addison up the first thing she said was i miss my mom i said i do too. >> judge jeanine: searchers comb the area. volunteers created a facebook page looking for any information, any sighting. it has been seven weeks. still no word from her. no sign of her. what happened to jacque waller? >> we will fight for you. >> judge jeanine: stan and ruby are her parents. thank you for being with us.

i can't imagine what the two of you are going through. to you first stan, what did you think happened toiq yourc daughter? >> judge, we know exactly what happen to our daughter. we just know what he did with her. >> judge jeanine: when you say you know exactly what happened to your daughter, what are you saying? >> i'm saying clay waller killed her. and done away with her. i don't know what he did with her. >> judge jeanine: when you say he kill her s there a -- is there a reason you say that? history of abuse, threats, what leads you to that conclusion stan? >> well, he told her thirty days before she disappeared that he said i don't know what you're worried about, he says i don't know why are you worried about working, he says you only got 30 more days to live. he made all kinds of threats for the last probably six months or so about he was

going to kill her. that he was going to kill the triplets. and maybe the whole bunch of 'em. he's a real piece of work this guy. >> judge jeanine: was there ever a formal complaint made ruby? if what stan is saying is correct, and of course i believe him, you know, you've got a countdown, thirty days to live? did anybody report this to the police? >> no, she wouldn't report anything. we tried to get her to. when she lived in cape jerardo she was afraid. i told her to call 911, at last get it on report that he threatened her. was afraid if she did, he wouldn't be able to get a pilot's license he was trying to get. >> judge jeanine: he was a former cop, is that correct guys? was she afraid to report it because he had worked with the

police? was that part of it? >> oh no, he wasn't afraid of that he was a police officer for a short time. then at the cape county sheriff's department for a short time. he had no regard at all for police officers. he didn't like him. i don't think they liked him very much. but that had nothing to do with it. >> judge jeanine: it seems both clay as well as jacque had the same lawyer. what was that about? >> well, i asked her i said why would you go to the same lawyer? she said, we don't need two lawyers, i don't want anything. she says he can have everything except my clothes and the kids. she said i make good money. he can have everything. >> judge jeanine: why was she so anxious to get out of the marriage? is it because of the threats? >> she didn't tell me about

them threats. she knew i would go ballistic. i didn't find out until a week before she come up missing. she said dad, he's going to kill me. and i said jacque, me and your brother will have a discussion with him. we can't have this.3 she said, oh no, that will make it worse. she said i think i can control him. i said jacque, i don't like it, you got to go to the police, do something. she said no, i think i can handle it. she a 40-year-old girl. you don't tell her what to do. we raised her to be a strong, independent woman and we weren't going to go against her wishes. i wish i had of. i have to live with that. >> judge jeanine: ruby they say a laptop was fun in your daughter's car. did that -- was found in your daughter's car. did that contain information that could help police? >> she kept a diary log in her

laptop at work. numerous people saw her typing everyday. it was no secret that she was making a log of the threats and everything that he made against her. >> judge jeanine: what was the trigger that caused her to go for a divorce? >> i think it was just the time in her life. she was going to be able to work from home on her computer. the kids were getting ready to start kindergarten. she wanted them to be where we live. so she could be around family. she wanted the kids to be able to see their grandparents all the time. >> i also think one of the things that triggered it was when he stuck a gun in her mouth and drug her around the house and said he was going to commit suicide for her. in front of the kids he done all this stuff. >> judge jeanine: terrible. >> yeah, just terrible. >> judge jeanine: it is terrible stuff. my heart goes out to you.

i thank you for being with us this evening. thank you so much. >> thank you, judge we appreciate it. >> judge jeanine: if you have any information on jacque waller, please call the jackson police department. is clay waller the concerned husband his attorney says he is or does the evidence point to something more sinister? >> a beautiful law school student's brutal murder leaves a community shaken. police are frantically searching for the killer. coming up on justice. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more amecans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... f greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say.

>> judge jeanine: welcome back. jacque waller disappeared after meeting with husband. what happened at that house? june 1st, jacque waller travels to jackson, missouri to file for divorce from her husband clay waller. at 4:05 p.m. jacque calls her friend to chat. while on the phone she stops

and drives on to clay's house intending to pick up her son maddox. >> miss waller telling loved ones she is here now. that was some of the last words we had from her. i am here now, meaning i am at mr. waller's residence to pick up my child. that was pretty much the last contact she had with anyone. >> judge jeanine: clay says he and jacque got into a heated argument and she stormed off on foot. he says he left a short time late are and jacque's car was still in his driveway. clay told police he returned home at 6:00 for the evening and jacque's car was gone. neighbors told police they saw clay hooking his boat up to his truck and pulling out around 6 p.m.. by 8:30 that night, jacque still hand come home. concerned, her family sent someone to clay's house to check on them. they see jacque's car, no jacque and no play.

at 11 p.m., jacque's family caught police to report her missing. an hour later, clay calls 911 and does the same. police interview clay that night. according to investigators, he answers some of their questions but not all. the next morning jacque's blue honda pilot is found abandoned alongside a highway with a flat tire. jacque's purse, keys and cell phone are not in the car. but her laptop is. and police take it as evidence. searches at the home and surrounding areas turn up nothing. last week more than a month after jacque disappeared, a woman finds jacque's business cards tossed on the side of the road. eight miles away from where her car was reever could haved. still, no -- still, no sign of jacque. lt. david james with the sheriff's office.

he's been investigating jacque's disappearance. greg mccreary is a criminal profiler. welcome gentlemen. lieutenant is the latest on this case? >> we are still doing searches on the water and the land to try to find jacque's body and just looking everywhere for her. continue to follow up leads and the investigation, interviewing people. >> judge jeanine: lieutenant, you said looking for her body. are you saying that you're convinced she is dead? >> i'm convinced that she is dead, yes. and mostly other investigators are. so we are doing searches in the water, the mississippi river, local lakes and areas different farms and stuff near the interstate. >> judge jeanine: lieutenant, clay her husband was the last known person to be with her.

what does he said happened? >> just like you said earlier. he said that they were in a heated argument and she left on foot, initially he said between 4:30 and 6:00. then he said he left. and when he came back around 6:00, her car was gone. that's contrary to what investigators have been told. her vehicle was still there, parked by a dumpster about 100 yards from the residence. and he was out hooking up his boat and then he left in his vehicle, while her vehicle was still sitting. >> judge jeanine: lieutenant, you said her car was parked near a dumpster, 100 yards from the house, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> judge jeanine: if i'm going to pick up my child at my husband or ex-husband's house i don't park a football field an -- away, do i? >> i wouldn't think so seed like it didn't fit. her car was parked some distance from the residence. >> judge jeanine: later, you

find the car with a flat. do you think this scene was staged? is that what is going on here? >> well, it appears to be staged from my own experience looking at it. the car was parked on the highway and the tire did not look like it had traveled at highway speeds and had a blow out. that's something we have to send off to the lab and try to get some forensic examiner to determine if that is the case. >> judge jeanine: is clay assisting with this investigation? >> mr. waller has not assisted very much. initially, he talked to the police very little. but he's pretty much remained uncooperative. >> judge jeanine: greg, i'm going to you criminal profiler. divorce, history of threats. he's not cooperating. what does this tell you about clay waller? >> number one on the suspect list, no doubt about it. any homicide or missing person investigation, any violent crime where you are looking at this or investigating it, begins with victimology, a

study of the victim. the purpose is to try to determine what, if anything, elevated this individual's risk for becoming the victim of a violent crime. >> judge jeanine: this guy was a cop, he worked construction. we've got a car backed up to a dumpster and pick-up truck and boat what does this tell you? >> that's where i was going judge. the one thing that elevated her potential was this relationship. and then the circumstances around her disappearance this is absolutely why he has to be number one on the suspect list. >> judge jeanine: of course, if you know anything about jacque waller please call the jackson police department. if you would like to help care for the triplets donations are accept at the u.s. bank to the jacque waller family relief fund. >> a beautiful lawsuit dismere ly murdered. tonight police hunt for her killer.

there's a lot of emotion running high. >> judge jeanine: that was clay waller his wife disappeared after going to pick up her son from his house. he says he had nothing to do with his wife's disappearance. robi ludwig is a psychologist. joey jackson former prosecutor. dr. ludwig, how do you explain a mother's absence to three 5-year-olds? what to do you say to them? >> i think what you say is first, you want to underscore they are safe. and be honest without giving too much detail. you want to say something like we're looking for your mommy now. we have really good people

trying to find her. you are safe. we are here for you. we'll let you know something as soon as . certainly not go into gory details before you have any information. you don't want to scare the kids. >> judge jeanine: let as talk about the fact the police are saying the husband cooperating. it is not like he's trying to make it look like he's helping. what does that tell you about him? >> he's disturbed the fact that he isn't covering up. if he were not involved, wouldn't he be happy police are looking for his wife? wouldn't he be happy there's television attention? not every case gets that kind of attention. clearly, he's adversarial. he's angry. he's annoyed and irritable. and he can even hide that. he's probably in a very depressed, perhaps suicidal state himself. >> judge jeanine: it seems like she was so anxious to get out, she was willing to pay him. but not willing to report the violence. why do you think that is?

>> she may have felt that would have put her more in danger. he might have warned her, if you report me or say anything to anyone, i will kill you and i don't care who knows it. >> judge jeanine: joey about the fact that he's not even acting like he's cooperating? do you think his lawyer is telling him not to say something? >> oh yeah 100% the lawyer is controlling him. by the way robi, i got to get you for the next trial that was wonderful. from a prosecutor's perspective, we go into motive opportunity, it is all here. why? you look at the separation. you look at the divorce. you look at the battles. who would have the motivation to do that? if you delve deeper and you find what the police have determined, which is blood that potentially matches up. and his initial judge, when it came about where he had to answer for it, oh she left my house on foot i then came back. it was just -- he has too much, the lawyer is saying zip it.

>> judge jeanine: go to trial, threats to kill. gives her a 30 day countdown this is classic. does that come into evidence? >> yeah. there is going to be someone like you, or judge there will be pretrial motions if you are the prosecution you are going to say it goes to intent, motivation it goes in. as a defense you will say it is not relevant. >> judge jeanine: hearsay, how do you prove it? >> you are going to have a judge after the pretrial hearings who is going to make an assessment if you are the prosecution, you are dying to get in -- get it in. if you are defense, no. >> judge jeanine: the family courts are not allowing him access to those children, visitation or custody, right decision? >> good move. this guy probably crossed over the line. he's a dangerous guy if the you can't trust him, don't put the kids in danger. >> i think so too. it is in the best interests of

a child. you put them with him, he gets remanded put in jail and therefore -- >> judge jeanine: wait a minute, kids are not seeing mommy, not seeing daddy. what if they never find a body and file charges how long does that go on? >> it will have some closure. a family court will make a reassessment. the decision for now to keep him away is good. as for later, we'll see was. >> judge jeanine: thank you, both of you are terrific. if you have any information on jacque waller please call the jackson police department. if you would like to help care for jacque's triplets donations are being accept at the u.s. bank. >> coming up the brutal murder of laura kiddings has a georgia community on edge. >> so, ah, your seat good? got the mirrors all adjusted? you can see everything ok? just stay off th freeways, all right?

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faulkner, now back to more justice. >> judge jeanine: welcome back. laura giddings was a beautiful young woman with a bright future, then she vanished. lauren giddings love to run she ran everyday. she also knew self-defense. she was a bright student who friends describe as outgoing and funny. after growing up in maryland in a close it in family she graduated from -- in a close-knit family she graduate and stayed in macon to take the bar. june 25th, she left her apartment to grab take-out at a nearby restaurant. when she returned home she sent an e-mail to a friend in atlanta saying she didn't feel safe in her apartment that someone had tried to break in. that was the last time any of her friends or family heard from her. five days later, lauren's friend reported her missing. police were dispatched to her building to investigate. lauren's apartment was locked.

inside police found her purse, her cell phone and keys. nothing seemed amiss. but lauren wasn't there. police began searching outside for clues. made a shocking discovery, someone had murdered lauren and placed her dismembered body in the building's dumpster. >> i ask the public to help us with this investigation. >> judge jeanine: people living in the building are stunned and frightened. lauren's next door neighbor was interviewed by reporters after her body was discovered. >> no sign of a struggle. no sign anyone had broken in. nothing. she was gone. all of her stuff was there. >> judge jeanine: why would someone want to kill lauren giddings? the police and her family are desperate for answers. >> this is such a bizarre and gruesome case that i think it would be very hard to deal with if they found out it was some psycho amongst them.

>> we follow where the evidence takes us. as we get more clues or learn of more evidence. if we have to go back to the apartment or elsewhere that's where we go. >> judge jeanine: police say there are several persons of interest. >> i didn't know she was missing until last night. >> judge jeanine: one is lauren's next door neighbor. when police search his apartment they found a master key, giving him access to all the apartments in the complex. right now, he's being held on burglary charges. kaitlin wheeler and sarah giddings are lauren's sisters. they join me now. i'm so sorry for your loss, how are you doing? >> as good as can be expected at a time like this. >> judge jeanine: i can't imagine what you are going through. when did you first realize that something was wrong and she was missing? >> i first realized, i had been trying to talk to her

that week. just assumed others had talked to her of course. and it hadn't been a problem. then i got a next from a close family friend asking if i had talk today to her? right then i knew something was probably up. i started facebooking different friends in atlanta and macon and just trying to check in on lauren. to make a long story short, i ended up getting on to her g-mail and facebook. and saw she hadn't sent, read an e-mail or facebook message since saturday night. i started calling the hospitals and a friend called the police. >> judge jeanine: since she was studying for the barney guess it was not unusual to be in contact on a regular basis. did lauren say she was worried about her safety? >> she had not told us she was worried about her safety. it did say that in the e-mail sent to a friend that night. it didn't say worried about her safe. she was worried about that

incident the thursday before this. but she didn't say she felt unsafe to live in that apartment. >> judge jeanine: the incident the day before? >> it was the thursday before. saturday night she had written the e-mail talking about thursday night. that she had thought someone had tried to break into her apartment. >> judge jeanine: police have identified a person of interest this stephen mcdaniels. you have met him. do you think he's capable of doing this? >> it is hard for me to believe that anyone that i looked into their eyes that it could be them. i'm very trusting. i have a lot of faith in humanity. for me it is hard to believe that. right now, i'm going -- i'd go with any evidence the police give membership am i trust them. i trust the fbi. i'm very thankful they are involved in this case. >> judge jeanine: thank you kaitlin and sarah. now to the investigation itself. mike burns is chief of the macon police department. amy lee womack is a reporter. thanks for being with us this

evening. chief, what is the lateness this case? >> -- what is the latest in this case? >> we completed one search warrant yesterday. the day before, we came up with different items that we shipped to the fbi academy we shipped into the crime lab. >> judge jeanine: are there any suspects? what can you tell us about the suspects? >> we have several people of interest. when we started we had a get number, we have slowly narrowed them down through checking their alibis, process of elimination. we are getting closer. >> judge jeanine: why did this guy mcdaniel become a focus of the police? >> we check to start with boyfriends, girlfriends, neighbors. he was a neighbor. he inserted himself into the search for her the night before, going to apartment the next day he was on the crime

scene. he also inserted himself, he went to the media and want today to talk about it. >> judge jeanine: amy lee you have interviewed mcdaniels' mother. what did she tell you? >> it seemed like she wanted this over. she wanted her son to be exonerated. i think she is just still trying to cope with it that her son is in jail. >> judge jeanine: i'm going back to the chief. chief, i understand that this kid mcdaniels had a passkey to all of the apartments in the building. is there any chance that he didn't do this? >> we did find a master key in his apartment. plus, when we was talking to him he admitted going into two other apartments previously and taking ups out. >> judge jeanine: of course he's charged with burglary. if you have -- if you have any information on the murder of lauren giddings call the macon police department. or crimestoppers:

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>> that's what she said in the e-mail. she thought someone tried to break into her apartment on thursday night. >> judge jeanine: who could have killed lauren giddings?

dr. sir -- dr. little we can join us. amy, local reporter what do lauren's friends think happened here? >> few of her friends have been willing to talk with us. the few that have i think there's kind of a mix between the people who were afraid that it is mr. mcdaniel. they are looking at that trying to cope with that side of it. then i think there's others that they just don't know what to believe. they can't believe it is mr. mcdaniel. they don't know who it might be. they are very concerned. >> judge jeanine: chief, you have indicate add that you don't have enough yet to make an arrest for murder and you do have several suspects. we are not keying in on one person. when you went to lauren's apartment, what did you find there? >> when we first went in, we didn't find anything out of the ordinary. there was no signs of a struggle. everything looked like a normal college student.

>> judge jeanine: her wallet, cell phone, everything was in the apartment. but the apartment was locked, right? >> it was locked. no signs of forced entry. >> judge jeanine: was there a sign of a struggle? >> there was no sign of a struggle. >> judge jeanine: i understand evidence, including a refrigerator has gone out for examination. dr. wecht i'm going to you now. city engineers have been consulted regarding the drainage system in the building. how would that be relevant? >> they are looking for any biological evidence. blood, any kind of body fluids. you do not dismember a body, obviously without causing a large stream of blood to flow. i don't think that it took place in that apartment, because i doubt very much if there had been dismemberment there would be no evidence or trace of any kind of body fluids in that apartment. i think the dismemberment most probably took place somewhere

else i think this is a sexual predator crime. i don't believe there's any probably. i think had is somebody who was probably rebuffed by miss giddings. and there is great anger and hostility. you don't just kill somebody and dismember the body. and you don't dismember a body unless you are going to try to hide it. that wind the case. as i understand it the torso was found close to the apartment building. the limbs and head still yet to be found there. was no attempt to hide this body, so to speak. i think someone encountered her or lured her out of her apartment in some way and whatever took place occurred. and then the dismemberment had to, it seems to me, been a moment of unbridled passion and anger and hostility. >> judge jeanine: criminal profiler mccreary, what was the condition of the body tell you about who committed the crime? >> i think cyril is correct in

some of his thinking. i've seen dismemberment cases where the rig more set in. -- rigor mortis set in. we need to taken that dismemberment scene. the door is locked that tell us, if her keys are inside and the door is locked that is somebody with a key. the fact that that apartment is undisturbed she left without her keys, she left with somebody she knew. there was some kind of ruse to get her out. then we have a crime scene some place else. we don't know if she was raped or not. the investigators are keeping that information quiet, which is good, they should not be letting anyone know about that. those are the things we need to think about. >> judge jeanine: greg, if you end up willing -- end up killing someone and dismembering them why would you throw their remains in the dumpster in front of the building, wouldn't you try to hide that? >> you would if you had a

chance. it could have been an interruption, panic, something like that. clearly there was enough time to take the other parts of the body some place. we don't know where they are. for whatever reason they put the torso right there where it would be found. whether they intended to do that or not it is difficult to know. >> judge jeanine: absolutely crazy. chief, back to you. why remove a refrigerator from an apartment beneath lauren's apartment what is that about? >> within the search warrants that we executed, we've got over 200 pieces of evidence that we sent to the fir or the gbi. -- to the fir ro fbi or the gbi. some of it was the pipes from the tubs, the sinks, from different items we located. we've asked them to do trace evidence analysis for us latent prints analysis and dna analysis. >> judge jeanine: what i'm hearing chief sounds like

there was some dismemberment in the building, but i'm not asking to you say exactly. dr. wecht, we just saw a verdict in a case that shocked me and shocked most of the nation. how do we prove cause of death when we don't have the whole body? >> your honor, as you well know that has taken place many times. i'll tell you my personal experience with laci peterson, no head, face, arms, only part of one leg, no internal organs or tissue except for uterus. the jury had no problem with that. circumstantial evidence can be incriminating a good number of murder cases are based on circumstantial evidence. the anthony case was a disaster and aberration. back to this case, the instrumentation is going to be important that body is being examined by trained forensic pathologists and studied to see what kind of instrument was used to department member. it is not so easy to disarticulate a a body.

you want to look for the markings and match them up with the kind of saw, drill and see who would have had access to, who owns or possesses or recently purchased that kind of instrument. and look for that that could prove to be the key in franking down the individual who did this. >> judge jeanine: i'm going to the chief and amy quickly. do we have any witnesses? this is an apartment building, any witnesses who saw or heard a struggle? >> i haven't heard anybody who said they saw anything or heard a struggle. a neighbor said she heard some noise maybe up above her. she couldn't track down as to when it was. i don't think she heard anything behind whenever this time we are talking about. >> judge jeanine: given the fact she was a runner in great physical shape, almost 6 feet tall. she was in great shape to fight off whatever the problem. chief burns and amy lee womack, thank you for being with us.

of course, if you have any information on the murder of lauren giddings, please call the macon police department. or call crimestoppers: >> judge jeanine: coming up, steven mcdaniels is a person of interest. he's also charged with burglary. does that make him a murderer?

>> judge jeanine: police focus on lauren's neighbor stephen mcdaniel almost immediately. is this a rush to judgment? dr. cyril wecht and greg mccreary are still with us and former prosecutor joey jackson joins. joey, mcdaniel is a person of interest. he's been arrested for burglary.

lauren sends an e-mail saying she is in fear of someone who tried to break into her apartment. would it be a big leap to charge him? >> i think at this point. look, earlier in the show the chief was pointing out the investigation ensuing and what was happening. at this point it is too preliminary. you can say he looks strange. he has a master key. he's going around to these apartments. he was at the crime scene. they always say the criminal returns to the scene of the crime. to focus on him to the examine of other things might hamper the investigation because you lose time and you might want to focus on her people before you make conclusions. >> judge jeanine: i agree with you. you have to have the evidence. i'm going to greg mccreary. greg, you are a criminal profiler. what about the fact they say mcdaniel went into the apartment, he was an signatures the chief, when the investigation of the case -- he was assisting the chief, in the investigation of the case. how does this play into in --

into the mind of someone who may have done this. >> again, you can't get tunnel vision on these cases. you think you have a good suspect and shut out others who should be considered with that said, these are sort of the circumstances that you pay attention to. what is he doing? is he injecting himself in the investigation? is he trying to control it? is he trying to learn things from the investigators? these are things that raise suspicion. from an investigator's perspective are important and up need to pay attention to those things. >> judge jeanine: what about the fact that only part of the body has been located? it was located in front of her building, right in the dumpster. why would the rest of her not have been there? what is going on there? >> it could be as we discussed he wanted to move all of it, couldn't do it, may have been panicked, got interrupted. the important thing is he was trying to move the body. he couldn't leave it wherever

i was. that -- it was. that's important. he had to have a place that was under his control. it time -- it takes a lot of time to dismember a body. we need to focus on suspects that would have those opportunities and abilities. >> judge jeanine: no question dr. wecht, you can't jump to conclusions here. >> with all due respect in the early part of the program on waller, he was being criticized for being indifferent, insensitive and removing himself from the investigation. now mr. mcdaniels is being incriminated because he's inserting himself in the investigation. there's a bit of inconsistency. >> judge jeanine: the difference is one is the husband and father of her children the other is a neighbor. >> transfer of some kind of trace evidence from one person to another you have a lot of handling with the dismemberment of a bed.

for someone to get rid of every single piece of body fluid and blood and fabric and trace evidence and everything of a biological nature given the advanced technology of dna, et cetera, it makes me wonder whether mr. mcdaniel is the culprit. he's got to be stupid to leave the trunk so close to the apartment. if he's able to get rid of the arms, legs and head, it seems a little far -- far-fetched to say someone caught him in the act and he had to get out of there real fast. >> i've seen that happen. >> it can, of course. we'll see. but i agree with what has been say. it is too early to focus on mcdaniel to the exclusion it rest of the possible -- >> your honor, you know from being a seasoned prosecutor, as you were, it all will come together. the chief said 200 pieces of evidence collected and sent to the labs for dna.

>> judge jeanine: they are putting it together. dr. wecht, do you have a theory on how a woman as strong and healthy as this was subdued very quickly? >> she had to have been knocked on the head. a 6 foot woman, agile, athlete she could not have been subdued so easily without producing some kind of a disturbance that would have come to the attention of the people around her. i think she was attacked in some kind of clandestine, surreptitious fashion, most likely knocked unconscious and everything took place after that. that's why i get back to someone with a sexual proclivity with a deep feeling of disrespect and even hatred for this young woman. >> judge jeanine: great panel many thank you for being with us. if you have any information on the murder of lauren giddings, please call the macon police department.

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