i'm bill o'reilly. the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> sean: a deal is finally cashed. >> 375 is great. >> but is it just heating up. sarah palin is here with reaction. despite the deals the economy is still in shambles, can you really afford four more years of a this? we'll break it down and it's not pretty. could this debt deal really lead to a hype in your taxes? a congressman is here with the facts. plus he played a psychiatrist on

tv. now kelsey grammar is considering a real run for office. we'll tell you where. we're on the road and hannity starts right here. >> sean: the debt deal was signed into law after it easily passed the senate by 74-26. here is the president earlier today in the rose garden. >> congress has now approved a compromise to reduce the deficit and avert a default that would have devastated our economy. it was a long and contentious debate and i want to thank the marine people to keep the pressure on and put politics aside and work for the good of the countries. voters sure didn't vote for dysfunctional government. >> sean: what the president failed to mention his own party is spewing hateful rhetoric that

is contributing to the dysfunction. g give give returned to the capital for the first time. at least two democrats were referred to the tea party movement were referred to as terrorists. and pennsylvania congressman, quote, we have negotiated with terrorists. small group of terrorists have made it impossible to spend any money. and not long after that the vice president of the united states reportedly agreed with doyle's remarks, by saying, quote, they have acted likes terrorists. even though a senior official that is exactly what he said, the white house is denying it. the vice president spoke to this and made clear that he didn't say those words. i think the congressman in question has said he regrets using them. it was product of an emotional discussion. very passion nationally held positions in this credit but

notices proper rat and the president doesn't think so. >> sean: joining me in reaction of the remarks is sarah palin. governor, good to see you. >> nice on to see you. >> sean: when you think of the president's lecture of g give give, in your opinion the middle of that debate because -- g give give. >> >> assault to connect you on all this and here is the united states and u.s. congressman and it's dismissive. how do you react to that? >> well the president's speech in arizona he asked folks to ratcheting down the rhetoric was all talk. he wasn't sincere in that. that is typical object obama. that is typical of our president

it's blah, blah, blah. otherwise he was on biden and tell him to tone it down a little bit. right. independent patriot americans being called terrorists, fee f we were real domestic terrorists president obama would want to pal around with us. he didn't have pal around back in the day when he kicked off his political career in bill ayers' apartment and shaking hands with chavez and no preconditions meeting kick timers or wanting to read u.s. miranda rights to alleged suspected foreign terrorists. so i think president obama wouldn't have trouble with this. >> sean: that a was the sticking point for me. this idea that they could use these words, jihad, terrorist,

suicide bombers all to describe the tea party. the story about bill ayers was virtually ignored. i brought it up again and again. it was important. he sat on boards with him. he gave speeches with him. he begin his political career in the guy's house. we are excoriated that we dare to bring this up who this president is. it's fair to call the tea party terrorists? >> let's call them on hypocrisy. enough is enough. i'm not going to roll with a sticker saying hit me baby one more time, call me a terrorist or racist. tea party has been called the last few months, it's hypocritical of the other side of this. i'm going stand up for fiscally conservative independent americans who wanted the best of this country. i'm going stand up for radio

talk show hosts, if it weren't for them we would have a less factual information about our weakened economy, big government liberal spending, socialist programs being rammed down our throats. i'm going up 'for people that are being accused of waging jihad against our own country. enough is enough. i'm not going to sit here and take it anymore. i don't want you or anyone else who is innocent all of this to take it anymore. >> sean: i oppose them for simple reason, none of them deal with the root cause of where our problem is. problem is spending. and baseline budgeting problem in washington. while everyone talks about saving a trillion dollars, rita at within two years we're going to have $67 billion in saving. in a day the president gets 900 bye in a debt ceiling increase.

so they back loaded once again the deal. everyone says we l we've come together. here is my take. compromise got us here. compromise has given us $16.7 trillion in a debt ceiling that is needed. the people that seem consistent and principled believe in limited government are the people that showed up in november of 2010 and they are the ones that have stayed true to their values. everyone seems to be all over the map here. i thought standing up for your principles is a good thing in life. >> thank good for those folks that stood up for the their principles. i'm not going to put up with them signing this debt deal. other people not wanting to be around and not wanting to lay claim to what have they have just done to country. what they have done is most liberal president we'll ever see

certainly in our lifetime an opportunity to spend more money that we don't have. to create more debt thinking that is going to get us out of debt. no, we're still not dealing with the rooted cause of our problem in this weakened economy. that is we overspend the big central government. this president is so off based in his thinking because the solutions is growing more government and spending more money that we don't have on departments and people that cannot allow the private sector to thrive and create jobs. he is so off-based in this. it's 2012 can't come soon enough. >> sean: i want to get into the specifics. i'll ask a shorter question. you said if the right candidate didn't emerge, would you get into this race. it's been a while since i had you on the program. are you getting closer to making

that decision and are you leaning towards getting into this race? >> getting closer to make the decision for legal reasons, for practical reasons. still haven't made up my mind. i want these candidates, i want them not to be sitting back -- bless his heart, i have respect for mitt romney -- but i don't have respect for what he did in this debt increase debate. he wait until it was a done deal and more money would be spent. then he came out and he made a statement, he didn't like the deal after all. you can't defer an issue and assume that the problem is going to be avoided. no. we defer issue like not speaking out on how you believe about an issue we've got gone through as a nation, but you are inviting a crisis. mitt romney and other candidates they need to get out there and tell the electorate.

don't just wait and sit back. >> sean: is there any candidate that spoke out loudly enough? >> michele bachmann cast her vote according to her principles. a lost times with debate and discussion on who the right candidate will be. i'm not prejudging the field at this point. >> sean: that means you are getting in and you just announced -- i'm just kidding. we'll take a break. plus, how will a debt deal shape up the presidential race. a compromise ko, could it mean higher taxes for your family? comi

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>> sean: hannity, we continue. we are talking to sarah palin and fox news contributor. i don't know if you have read malcolm guleule and there was great, using gladwell's book "partnershiping point" with all the vitriol of the tea party and they are sucking up to the tea party, what we're seeing here is the ascendancy of

conservatism even though conservatism and tea party members didn't get what they want have more power in terms of influencing the debate. do see that that way? >> i do. that is why i'm an optimist. i believe that the tea party patriots have been strengthened and evidence is the vitriol you see toward the tea party patriots that wand a sound fiscal policy she we are not a bankrupt nation. now more tea party patriots have to be energyized. they can't be depressed about some -- two steps forward, three steps back we saw happening with the debt ceiling increase, they need now more than ever to be united and work to get the right candidates. despite the boot around our

necks and on both sides of aisle that run the political machine, the boot on the neck, is trying to keep us down. now, we need to retreat bury united and move forward, very powerful grassroots movement i believe will grow more as the election approaches. >> sean: i want to ask you this. i watch some guys on the tv and some people on the radio. some of the politicians in washington. the mushy wimpy moderates that think any kind of compromise. we ought to compromise. these are the people that don't have principles or guiding principles or moral compass that understand that -- i am not a registered conservative just for conservative's sake but the principles of liberty, freedom, they work. this is what was missing in the

debate. i was asking if you heard, for example, the mack plan, we free spending levels, 18% gdp and we balance the budget in 8 years. why can't we debate these issues. cap and balance was good plan. why did they cut it off. why not? >> the spine is still missing that president reagan talked about. he reminded as our spine is stiffened that strengthens others around you and to stand on principle and do what is right. when we go forward and how to strengthen our economy and talk about the need to cut, to cap, to balance the budget. to balance the budget, seaan, which is so fundamental, democrats preached it for many years and they have the opportunity in the last couple

of months and they scannedered that opportunity. at the didn't want the balanced budget amendment. we have to take a symbolic vote sometime after october. i, too, i am puzzled by the wasteful opportunities we have here in congress as we see the doors open to finally see the fundamental economic change, the reform the transformation that would be healthy when indictments our entitlements and big government programs that need to spop or we will be bankrupt. they would be so willing to waste opportunities. >> sean: i'm looking at spols, independents really helped electing barack obama. he had to earn the loss of their votes. 66% of americans supported the cut, capp and balance, republicans didn't stand firm.

75% support the position which is balanced budget amendment. i'm going to ask you this question from this prism, because of these key issues, you are argue this, to quote braying an, the question remains and so passionate about it as you i am listening to you. what is the best move for you? give me your thought influence how you can influence what you are passion about. you think it's running, getting into debate? is it sitting on sidelines and travel around the country? where do you think you could be most effective? >> i don't have an answer for that question yet. where can i be most effective. i think about you, i think about

rus. i could be effective if i could run for office and be in one of those positions, where you have the title and executive power and really make a positive difference in the country or can i be a help mate? can i be campaigner for someone in that position. still thinking about it. >> sean: you think rush limbaugh is electricityable? >> i do. i'm one of those terrorists --. >> sean: i might have a shot if i move to utah. i couldn't be elected dog catch they are new york. governor, good to see you. appreciate you being here. thanks so much. >> coming up did mitt romney get it right? new debt deal could operate door to higher taxes. we'll examine that. why the debt deal did nothing to alleviate the economic downfall.

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>> sean: debt ceiling debate may have been dealt with for now. overall battle that is far from over but plenty of economic uncertainty. unemployment hovers at 9.2%.

from april to june, economy grew 1.3% and consumer spending was at the weakest point in two years. congress and the obama administration still need to reach an agreement on another $1.5 trillion in budget cuts by thanksgiving. so will the flailing economy remain the president's achilles heel in 2011. joining me stuart varney. co-host of the five, good to see you. i love it. he gets mad. >> his blood pressure has gone up. that is good for him. gets his heart rate going. he likes it. >> sean: i want to go back to the attacks on the tea party before i get to the economic stuff. i am listening to governor palin

and she has never wavered. skist she said like rush and rubio, i never wavered. tea party nevd wavered. think are being academy as terrorists. when is being principled and consistent become a pejorative and an opening for attack because you stand firm on your values? when? >> when they came into the office. the more they go after the tea party the strong are they get. it's not going to work before 2012, because the tea party we even had this debt deal and i know they are not happy with it. mitch mcconnell came out and said no more clean things on the debt ceiling. they are focused on this as a win. it's a win for them. >> what do you have do when you have economy on the brink of a

recession, brink of a downgrade, a jobs crisis and housing crisis and you have absolutely no plan at all to get us out of this mess? what do you do? you attack your opponent. you demonize your opponent. >> sean: president can't running on his record but where sheer where i think the country needs to do, get in control of the deficit and not steam rolling the country for our kids. seems simple to plea, we got to deal with the built-in 8% increases every year. in other words, we got to deal with the baseline. none of these plans dealt with it. the tea party knew it. we're saving trillions but we're taking on $8 trillion in debt. >> tea party is one group that has been right. they look into the future, sees where we are going, knows we are going in the wrong direction and as the principled stand to do something about it. it's very sharp contrast that

this administration. i think they know where they are going but they are not doing anything about it. the administration will be dragged kicking and screaming. >> you can't have it both ways, moody's was talking about a downgrading before the debt ceiling came up. it's going happen on his watch, mortgage rates, credit card rates, but i think the tea party drug this president to the middle. now, the democrats are listening. they are trying to say these hostages, these terrorists, but on the other side of their mouth look at us, we downgraded government. aren't we great? >> sean: i brought these numbers up with governor palin, it's fascinating to me to watch independents because i thought i had an early read on obama, and bob benefit el would make foon of me but it's about -- bechel,

when 66% support cut, cap and balance, 57% support balanced budget. so what does it mean that independents are leaning so far against the president? >> i sweint a kiss of death for the administration. that is little harsh thing to say. you've lost -- can call the middle ground. you lost that, totally lost that. i think they are going to lose more of the independents. >> i don't think we gotten to grip in the mess. are we in a double-dip. i think right now we're in a recession. >> a lot of people say we never got out of the first.ne >> sean: where were you on right turn recovery last summer? >> i was on your program but headed to another recession. the economy is not growing.

>> sean: do you see a potential depression? >> that is too strong. you don't want to do that blue stripe forecasting. >> sean: if we get back to that gdp percent tangling, we could be. >> we should be great in three years. >> it's very sad. my dad agrees because you cannot make money in that country. success is penalized 9 government is rewarded. people that rely on the government is rewarded. >> sean: why not a depression? >> because it relates to a debt situation and not the economic decline. >> sean: for all intents and purposes, 25% unemployment, it will feel like one? >> two failures, one is economy and this administration want to make us look like europe. they have succeeded in doing that but we americans hate it. >> it is the achilles heel.

there is no amount of money he can raise, billion dollars, she losing ground in two states like pennsylvania. hispanics, women. he can't spin this. there is no amount of spin. >> sean: i think it's time for principled conservative leadership. it's going take an education process and stop increasing spingsd. good to see you. >> coming up, cot debt deal raise your taxes. republican leaders say no. but mitt romney disagrees. we're going dis we used to bet who could get closest to the edge. took some crazy risks as a kid. but i was still over the edge with my cholesterol. anyone with high cholesterol may be at increased risk of heart attack. diet and exercise weren't enough for me. i stopped kidding myself. i've been eating healthier, exercising more, and now i'm also taking lipitor. if you've been kidding yourself about high cholesterol...stop. 80% of people who have had heart attacks have high cholesterol.

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>> sean: house gop leaders trumpeting that it doesn't allow for tax increases. >> when the president didn't ask for a blank check. he didn't get that. and then a big tax increase on

job creators. he didn't get that. >> sean: some republicans are saying that is not the case. gop presidential mitt romney opposed the deal. could the debt deal lead on a hike tax in your future? steve king and illinois congressman adam kingsinger. >> great to be here. first of all, paul was generous with his time last night and explained this, congressman king. he is saying in fact it couldn't happen. speaker baish was saying the same thing as well. is that your take on this that there can't be tax increases but it won't happen? >> technically it can. their analysis of the political analysis that it won't happen. it won't happen because the alternative minimum tax and bush

taxes are set to expire at the end of year that chris about $3.5 trillion increase and any tax increases they would add in to come up $1.5 trillion in saving would have to eclipse that number and it would be impossible to do that. that is the calculus and the other side is the president is deciding to veto that would end the tax brackets. >> they are telling their side today, harry ride and president obama is going to raise taxes. what is fascinating to me is that the cbo scoring, because the bush tax cuts expire 2013. they are scoring the budgets to assume that this will be the largest tax increase in history. i don't think it's gotten quite

the attention it probably needs to get? >> let me first, president and reid, we can raise taxes. they have to save face. they got defeated. the said raise the debt limit. we didn't raise taxes and we cut more than that. what the law does and what we did yesterday is about reducing spending. that is going to be a hole separate fight. there is going to be many more fights coming up. i look at that how do we advance our goal and get a touchdown. it can't be a touchdown every time but we got first down and i'm ready for the next first down. >> sean: what i've been arguing, i would like the free spending, i would like to cut 1% a year and do the mack plan. congressman king, they did change the debate, believe the tea party heavily influenced it. the debate -- but we're still

saving a trillion but we're going to take $8 trillion in new debt and interest rates stay the same, correct? >> i don't think there is any question about in the gross protection. revenue calculus, does calculate the tax increase, that is part of the cal calculation of that baseline. what we need to be looking at, what will our outlays you'llly? $5.6 trillion, if we done nothing, $5.4 trillion if this deal hangs together for the balance of ten years, or it will 4.6 under the ryan plan. another way to look at it, what would be the national debt, $28 trillion if we do nothing, $26 trillion with this plan. $23 trillion with ryan. so we have lost ground on the ryan part of the budget. i want to hold that line.

>> sean: we can't we explain something congressman kinzinger. we take in $180 billion a month and we spend $120 billion additional dollars. we power 40 cents forevery dollar we spend. we need to hold the line at this level. hold it. why y is that so complicated? hold the line of. we have projected increases of 8% a year after this. >> it's not complicated. we put forward discussing how to save medicare for future generations. talking about that mandatory spending. that is paul ryan calls it autopilot spending. that is where these drastic spending. yesterday we held discretionary spending but the mandatory spending and we made an attempt to do something about it. i million dollar ad on xhei

campaign because i dare talked about preserving social security in the long run. >> is it going to take a republican senate month, conservatives in the house and conservative president to really get to the baseline budgeting aspect of this which is really crucial? >> think that it does. i don't want to take away from the that's right has gone in to this nor some of the principles we will be debating including the opportunity to pass a balanced budget out of the house and senate. politically the foundation of the core of the philosophy needs to move to the right in the house and senate. we need to elected a president before we can truly fix this problem, we need to tighten our belts a lot more than we are willing to do today. >> sean: check in greta van susteren. where have you been? >> greta: you have to hear about your colleague neil cavuto. he was at the senate all week. he practically owned the place,

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democratic street congest. victoria soto and also here good to see you. thanks for being with us. every democrat i talk to, is furious with obama. furious with the democrats. they feel the tea party, they are saying it privately. some publicly is like terrorists. is that true? >> what is happening there has been a lot of anger toward obama within the democratic party. >> sean: do you share that anger? >> i don't share that anger. i think there is a longer term strategy, she is wooing back he had in 2008. >> to be able come out and i didn't raise taxes. i cut. [ talking over each other ] >> sean: he is going to say

that. he raised taxes and he has created by the time this election comes up, wee he will have given this country $5 trillion in debt. >> what did he say about that, what did he run on president bush. bush spent more money. what did he say as a u.s. senator, he said it shows lack of leadership that he wanted. >> i think this is shameful deal. it's not a good start. it add to the sum total and doesn't address the core driver. debt which is medicare costs. >> i want to get to the political side of this. i think the president was viewed as weak and on the sidelines. he is trying to sound like a brady bunch. >> the bottom line is that he a failure so far as judged by his economic policy. however, we got face reality and the reality is most people like what they perceive is free

medical care. they like medicare. they shouldn't like it, but they do. party runs on behalf of represerving medicare. >> president cut $3500 billion from medicare. >> keep medicaid safe. >> sean: obama cuts, they cut $500 billion. >> he needs to create jobs. jobs will increase taxpayers. >> what about shovel ready jobs? >> it's not going to determine who the winners and losers for 2012. we have six months. >> here is the deal. everybody knew about this problem. they waited a year. he passes everything. >> last summer was recovery summer. stimulus passed a year prior and the shovel ready jobs nevl materialized. >> he made a joke out of it. >> this is why the independents, i am shocked how independents

even now, if he got back half of them. it would still be far below. >> wait until the united states loses its aaa rating. that will immediately increase the price of borrowing money for average people in the form of car loans and mortgages. >> spending will decline. >> so the president presided over the loss of america's triple rating. >> wait, wait, wait. >> the independents, no they are not going to buy it. >> this president is going viewed as a deficit hawk and when he runs for reelection he has accumulated more than any president before him. >> and it's the deeply divide. >> he has deeply divided it. >> i might not go into the source of it. >> sean: before you go go to the break, how can you call him a

deficit hawk? this stimulus, his budget passed by a democratic congress, his debt and deficit. tell me how he gets around that? >> he has no, sir raised taxes and he will not raise taxes going into the debt deal. [ talking over each other ] i'm asking you. he spent the money. i didn't ask you about -- i got to take a break and get my blood to take a break and get my blood pressure down.

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>> sean: we continue with our great american panel. if you look at 2012, romney is leading obama in pennsylvania. there it is. romney 44 and obama, 42. that is frank lund poll came up romney is up by 8 points. these are impressive numbers. north carolina will be competitive, wisconsin and michigan will be competitive. >> you took the words oust my mouth, as a fund-raiser that is the first thing i would do is raise money. that is encouraging. especially after all this going on to see in pennsylvania, to see on romney move like that.

>> sean: i talked to mitch mcconnell's office and this idea if you voted against this bill you couldn't be on the super committee. that is not true. so in case -- what do you think of the poll? >> i know they are saying it's not true. we will see if members of congress who bust leadership on this is punished. senator mcconnell's office. >> on the radio today, they called me and said it's not true. >> it's important that conservatives in the congress remain unmolested. the poll is impressive. mitt romney. you stayed out of any controversy. you haven't seen mitt romney on the front page of any papers. that is the way they wanted it. >> shep: do you think it was smart, governor palin and should be leading. is it a better strategy to sit back. >> what do you mean leading the

forefront of it. there is a real case to be made, if you want to leave the republican party, your voice out to be out there. >> i don't think romney obama has to worry about, but it's perry, he comes in 18-22% of romney and romney is one of the candidates in the whole gop field that can bridge the two factions of the republican party. >> sean: so you see romney the most? >> yes. i don't think he can get in the primary but i think the perry is going the nominee. >> i saw lot of passion in governor palin tonight. >> i don't she is going run. look, you got realize i'm a fund-raiser, i'm a national fund-raiser. i know a lost national fund-raisers around. they are committed. no one has been called, you know

what i mean zbleegs. >> sean: interestingly i do know through my sources, a lot of big money is knocking on christie's door, we got $100 million. >> these same guys that are tip kag, i deal a lot with bungalers. >> sean: you know a lot of rich people? >> what these people will do. let's say the donor in new york, bundles 200 or $300 million. he will bundle for it. it doesn't mean you can't go across guidelines. >> think we're getting toward the end of the period whether it would be feasible to get into the race, but i think palin breaks the roolth rules. >> sean: think she does. >> i think christie exists in a

separate universe. give access to raising money for the party. >> both of them