>> dave: it's delicious. >> gretchen: coal slaw at 7:00 a.m. real hits the spot. it honestly did. >> steve: speaking of famous dave, dave briggs, thank you for joining us today. >> dave: great to be here. >> gretchen: "fox & friends" for the after the show show. have a great day. bill: we're going to cheer you up or maybe not. with a stroke of the president's pen, u.s. borrowing spikes passing the 100% mark. now, what es that mean? from the treasury department, it reveals u.s. debt shot up 238 billion dollars on tuesday. that brings our new total to well over $4.5 trillion. america, now, in the same debt league as greece and italy and ireland, and it might get worse. i mean, rome and athens are great places to visit. >> they are. bill: probably wouldn't want to do a whole lot of business. i'm bill hemmer, good morning. alisyn: good morning to you, i'm

al sin camarota. our debt is more than 100% of our gdp. this is the largest one-day bump in history. bill: can't make it up. stuart varney, fox business network, what does all this mean to you and me? >> reporter: let's spell it out in plain establish, the economy is $14.5 trillion, the debt is $14.5 trillion. in other words, the debt is now 100% of our economy. haven't seen that since 1947 coming out of world world war i. as you said, bill, we're in the same league now as italy. what does it mean? it means that the debt situation is worsening very, very rapidly, and it means that the debt deal just completed is meaningless as far as deficit reduction is concerned in the short term. for the markets for your money, it means that the stock market is going to go down again today big time, and the price of gold is going up again big time.

bill: you were the first to report this is pretty much a wash because the down economy brings in less revenues to wash and wipes out the gains they made in this debt deal. i have a list going back ten years, and it goes up increasingly back to 2001. in 2009, however, it shot up 15%. in one year. now, is that because of the bad economy, or is that due to bad government policy, stuart? >> reporter: in 2009 it was largely because of the bad economy. the bad economy meant far less money coming into the treasury, a much bigger deficit. in succeeding years it was the failure of the administration's economic policies to put the economy right and their big spending that accounted for the rapidly increasing debt after 2009. bill: you'd have to go back to 1947 to find numbers like these. 1947, stuart. >> reporter: 1981 the gdp to debt ratio was only 31%.

that's it. bill: see you on fbn, okay? more of this on our sister network. alisyn: fox news alert now because what about jobs in the labor department reloosing -- releasing its latest round of numbers, 400,000 americans filed for first time jobless claims last week. applications surge today an eight month high back in april and be have declined slowly since then but still not enough to show any turn around in the jobs situation. and we have a massive food recall to warn you about thi morning. the usda saying cargill is recalling 36 million pounds of ground turkey, and that's linked to one death in california and at least 76 cases of salmonella in 26 cases from coast to coast. peter doocy is live in

washington with more. how serious is this public health risk? >> reporter: this is a class i heth risk. they're saying to look out for ground turkey that says p963 on the inside of the usda inspection level. at least 77 people have been affected by this outbreak strain of salmonella in 26 states from the atlantic to the pacific. one of them has died, and that's why cargill is recalling 36 million pounds of its fresh and frozen ground turkey made at a plant in springdale, arkansas. you can see the cases are spread all over the map, and this is why: >> when we see a lot of animals whether they're birds or cows being ground into meat and parceled out, we're more likely to see one illness or one pathogen spread out amongst lots of packages for consumers. >> reporter: all the recalled ground turkey was produced

between february 20th and august 2nd of this year. the usda says the most common symptoms of salmonella are diarrhea, stomach cramps and then chills, headache, nausea and vomiting for up to a week. alisyn: that sounds horrible. peter, other than looking for that number on the packaging, what else are consumers supposed to do to protect themselves? >> well, it's actually okay to eat even the contaminated turkey as long as it's cooked to at least 165 degrees, but the government has other pointers. make sure you wash your hands with warm water and soap for 20 seconds before and after touching raw meat, keep the raw stuff away from anything that's not going to be cooked and refrigerate raw meat within two hours of buying it, one hour if it's going to be in 90 degree temperature. alisyn: the way you know it's 20 seconds of washing your hands is sing "happy birthday."

>> reporter: i will keep that in mind. bill: about six minutes past the hour. the desperate situation in haiti made even worse today, tropical storm emily packing winds of 90 miles an hour. check that, 50 miles an hour, but some of the gusts have gone well over that. the big threat, however, comes in the form of rain. terrible news for the 600,000 still living in tempts and flimsy shanty buildings. steve harrigan streaming live out of port-au-prince, haiti, with more now, steve? >> reporter: the rain hasn't started yet, but they do expect torrential rains in some areas. the clouds are just moving over the mountains, and the real worry is what that water's going to do to the 600,000 plus who are living in items like this. they're called tent cities. this used to be an airstrip, and you can see it's a mix of tarp and tent. you can see they're trying to tie them down as best the can, these families. this one is tied by rope to a

rock. it's, basically, an extremely tough process, and the goth itself is not -- government itself has no plans to help or get people out, they simply don't have the means to do so. haiti itself is particularly vulnerable to flooding. it's going to be a sanitation disaster here if you can imagine 12-20 inches of water. they already have a cholera epidemic, and most of the trees in the country have been cut down, so we could see flash floods as well as landslides here. most of the people not relocating,hey're really stuck in these tempts. the government has said if you do haveamily members with houses, go to them, but they've been here 18 months. most of these people have nowhere else to go, so they're basically trying to ride out what could be 50 mile-an-hour winds and up to 20 inches of water on the ground. bill: how many people have been living ther steve? >> reporter: bill, this used to be an airstrip. there's up to 30,000 people right here now.

we have seen some improvements from the red cross. there are some port a potties and a lot of kids running around. this little fella doesn't have panel t, but most of the people have shoes and pants here. but, you know, we haven't seen much change 18 months since that earthquake happened. bill: sad to say. steve harrigan live this haiti, we're going to watch that radar throughout the day and well into the weekend because there could be a threat to the u.s. mainland, too, depending on what form or track emily takes and how strong she gets. we'll watch the east coast of florida and the carolinas too. alisyn: so jobs, a couple of the stories we're following in "america's newsroom." coming up, they called for civility, but democrats are accused of being anything but civil in this latest battle in washington. >> we know what every american taxpayer -- we want every american taxpayer to come together and reach compromise. we need to get it done, and we

should get it done today. unfortunately, republicans continue to practice the politics of confrontation and hostage taking. alisyn: we'll tell you why this issue with the faa has tempers flaring and the rhetoric flying. and transportation secretary ray lahood joins us live. bill: also, she had been ordered to orlando, so does casey anthony have to go back home? and new pictures of where she's been living. alisyn: and celina cass as her father deals with the loss of his 11-year-old daughter. >> it incredibly hurts me. i don't know how to even explain it. it's crushing. it's heart crushing. it really -- it's like a sore that's never going to leave. d b] [ coughing continues ] [ gasping ] [ elevator bell dings, coughing continues ]

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alisyn: casey anthony has been spotted in ohio. the once-accused child killer photographed just weeks after her acquittal.

casey had been undercover until now, but she's been seen shopping wearing glasses and a baseball cap pulled down tightly over her head. it's a much more casual look, of course, than what we saw during her murder trial. meanwhile, a judge has freed case i from the -- casey from the requirement to appear in court today in orlando. she was suppose today check in with a probation officer. her attorneys will challenge that order tomorrow in court. bill: so who can lead america out of this dreadful economy? republican eric cantor telling neil cavuto yesterday afternoon he think barack obama is not the right man. >> you look at it, i mean, you look at the policies whether it is the nlrb policies going on, whether it is the sec, whether it is the epa under this administration, the president's team really seem to be in over their head when it comes to trying to arrive at solutions to address the business woes in this country. bill: well, cantor went on to

say that he respects and likes the president, that their differences are only about policy. alisyn: well, president obama's poll numbers have taken a hit after the debt ceiling mis. according to a new quinnipiac poll, if election were held today, president obama would be tie inside a race with gop candidate mitt romney. that's two points down from his july number of 46%. bill: we have seen just grim numbers on economic growth, but the white house only yesterday playing down the danger of the possibility of a second recession, a double dip. >> we do not believe that there is a threat there of a double dip recession. we believe that the economy will continue to grow. there is no question that growth has slowed over the past two quarters. there's no question that job creation has slowed. but there are reasons for that. again, some of them beyond our control but that are beginning

to, the headwinds created by them like the earthquake in japan have subsided somewhat. bill: so there is no threat of a double dip. is he right? jeff myrons is senior fellow at the cato institute. jeff, good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: is the white house right on this point? >> i understand why they're saying that. i think they would almost guarantee that we'd have one, but if we listen to most other economists, a large fraction of them are quite concerned we might have a double dip. five of the nine members of the committee that determines when recessions start and stop said just a few days ago said they thought there was at least a 50/50 chance. since they're the people that define it, that's pretty scary. bill: lawrence summers was the top economic adviser. he now works at harvard, as you know. he wrote this yesterday, the economy has at least a one in three chance of falling back in recession. so he's at 33% now if nothing

new is done to raise demand and spur growth. he used to advise this white house. is he right. >> >> well, his forecast sounds very similar to the other people, some of whom are his harvard colleagues, and is very consistent with private forecasters and economists across the country. so everybody is very worried. i think the consensus view is probably something like if we don't get any more bad news. if nothing unusual happens, well, maybe we'll just gradually start to grow faster. but we get a bad oil shock, we get some upheaval in europe because of a default on some country's debt, then all bets are off, and the risk of a double dip is really quite serious. bill: i think that's a great point because there are land mines not just here, but all over the world that we could still step on. now a recession officially defined by the government as two consecutive quarters of negative growth, they believe it started in late 2007 and ended in june of 2009 which was more than two years ago. do you believe that, or are you in the camp that we never came

out of that recession? >> well, i think there's a little bit of semantics there. certainly, the usual definition of a recession is the economy started to grow again and has grown for a couple of quarters in a row, and we've certainly done that. but what's different is we're growing at a very slow rate compared to many, to most past recessions. our experience is very similar to what happens when countries have fiscal crises, debt crises. in those situations which are more rare, this those situations it often takes five or ten years for economies to really recover. that's a point that's been documented quite well. so that's the situation. there's a serious risk. bill: the other thing the white house says is that this debt deal is a signal to the world that they're serious about deficit reduction. we're about to see whether or not that is true. jeff, thanks for coming in today, okay? jeff myron, nice to see you. alisyn: well, the oregon congressman at the center of a

sex scandal has finally stepped down. david wu notifying his state's governor and house speaker john boehner in a formal resignation letter. wu caused alarm among his staffers last fall when he sent out pictures of himself in a tiger costume. he announced his intention to resign after he was accused of making unwanted sexual advances on an 18-year-old young woman. so get off the beach and get back to washington. that's the message from the obama administration to them tod the impass over funding the faa. we're going to talk to transportation secretary ray lahood next. bill: also, a day of sun and sand they will never forget. when a visit to the beach turns into a frantic rescue operation. wait for this. >> was down there for a long time. he was buried so deep. i mean, we expected -- we came on scene, they were about four feet deep, and we were expecting they would get the head. they kept getting deeper, i was worried they had missed the victim, but he was literally

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bill: so a record drug bust in great britain, police there seizing 1.2 tons of cocaine on a pleasure boat worth about $500 million u.s. on the street. those drugs found hidden in a specially-designed compartment docked in southern england back in june. french authorities alerting brit to the craft named louise. 34reus saying that it took six days of searching the vessel to actually find the drugs because the hiding place was so, quote, ingenious, in their words. onboard louise. be. alisyn: there's a new development today in a story that shook new york city to its core. levy aaron is suspected this kidnapping, killing and horrifying dismemberment of a

boy who got lost walking home after day camp, and he is set to be arraign inside a brooklyn court. the body of the 8-year-old found stuff inside a suitcase in a trash bin. parts of the boy's body found in aaron's refrigerator along with a bloody board. it's all so gruesome. david lee miller is live from new york's supreme court in brooklyn. what are we expecting today, david lee? >> reporter: we expect this hearing to get under way in just about half an hour's time, 10:00 east coast time. this is the second court appearance since he was arrested for a crime that mentioned the jewish community where the victim lived, but really the rest of the country. he faces charges of first-degree murder and first-degree kidnapping. previously, he has pled not guilt. surveillance video showed the boy lost on the streets of brooklyn the day he disappeared. he last asked aaron for help, and that's when the abduction

allegedly took place n. a details statement aaron gave to police, he allegedly said, i quote, i was in a panic and afraid to bring him home. he then allegedly gave the 8-year-old boy a drug cocktail that knocked him out, support smothered him with a towel and then dismembered the body. his lawyer says he is now in a psychiatric facility to determine if he is fit to stand trial. >> even the evidence shows a or b, there's still going tock a question -- to be a question, at least to me, about this particular individual's mental state. my conversations with him led me to believe there's something abnormal going on with him. >> reporter: now, if this case does go to trial, and there is some uncertainty there, levy aaron does face the possibility of life behind bars without parole. many in the community here in brooklyn say they want to see him held accountable for his

actions. alisyn: yeah, of course. david lee miller, thank you so much for the update. bill: a fox news alert where the president now is asking congress to come back from august recess and settle this stalemate over the funding for the federal aviation administration, the faa. thousands of americans have been furloughed as a result. from the white house, now, the secretary of transportation's ray lahood. sir, good morning to you and thank you for your time. >> good morning, bill. bill: the house says it's done its work, it's waiting on the senate to follow. do you disagree with that? >> i think congress should come back from vacation, pass this bill, put over 70,000 workers back to work. the quickest way to put people to work including finishing aa employees and construction workers is for congress to pass the bill, and the president will sign it, and we'll have 70-plus thousand people back to work on construction sites and in our

faa jobs. bill: i don't disagree with you when you look at the jobs number we've been following for a couple of years, but is it smart for the taxpayer to subsidize airline tickets to the tune of $3,720 a ticket? is that a smart way to spend money? >> what is not smart, bill, is to have congress leave town on their vacations while they get a paycheck and 70-plus thousand people are out of work not getting a paycheck. these controversial items that you just mentioned can be worked out. congress passed a bill on 20 different times without dealing with any of these. they can deal with them. they can handle these. they've passed this bill on 20 other times so 70-plus thousand people are not out of work. and by the way, for all the people who care about debt and deficit around here and all the speeches that have been made a billion dollars in taxes is not going in to the federal coffers. so i say to those conservatives

who give great speeches about debt and deficit, let's put that money in the coffers. that's the tax that's not being collected -- bill: so just back to the question, you're okay with the subsidies? $3700 in small airports in nevada? >> bill, that has been a part of the faa program. if congress doesn't like it, have a debate, make the changes they want to make, bill, but don't hold hostage 70-plus thousand americans who want to go to work. this is the construction season. this is the time, this is the bread and butter time for construction workers. if congress has a dispute about a program, work it out. don't hold people hostage. congress is on vacation, they're getting their paychecks. let's do the same for other americans. this is not fair to american people. bill: i apologize for the interruption. >> that's all right. bill: what's the chance they come back? >> look, i hope the chances are good. look, if congress cares about

american jobs and the american people, they can come back for a couple hours, come back from their vacation. they can go back on vacation. but come back and pass the bill. this is not the way to treat american workers. this simply is not the way to run the best airlines, the best aviation system in the world. it's not, bill. best bill but the house has made its move, and it's waiting on the senate. do you disagree with that, and if not, is it the democratic leaders in the senate who have not moved the bill? >> well, look, this is a bill that could be passed within a couple hours. come back, congress. come off your vacations. you're getting your pay, give it to these oh americans who are -- other americans who are hard working people. it can be done in a couple hours. bill: ray lahood on the front lawns of the white house, appreciate your time, sir. we'll see whether or not we can resolve this during the dog days of summer. alisyn: call in the hostage negotiators, more on the faa debate.

and democrats are using their harshest language yet. >> this is becoming a very disturbing pattern. these debates should not be determined by which side is willing to take the most casualties. we will not submit to a government by extortion. alisyn: oh, boy. well, coming up, we're going to debate the issue and the rhetoric. plus this: [gunfire] bill: those are syrian government forces escalating a brutal crackdown. new details on who they're targeting and why the u.n. is now raising a red flag, and where is the american voice in this confrontation? almost tastes like one of jack's als. fiber one. h, forgot jack cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one!

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fourth day of the offensive there. reports of more than a thousand kill inside this. dominic di-natale comes to us live from jerusalem. what are the shocking pictures we were watching there, what can we report about that, dominic? >> reporter: we've heard that 45 people have been killed overnight, protesters and also some civilians who were actually trying to flee the city. in one particular case, a family of five who were trying to escape in their car including their two children came und fire and were killed. apparently, heavy machine guns, tank shes and also government snipers who position himself themselves on the roofs across the city and are, apparently, according to activists, randomly targeting citizens as they try to actually leave ha. this is a city about 120 miles north of the capital damascus. big movement of refugees reported, apparently, some have not heard from their resident contacts today either because they're trying to escape the

city or something much worse than that. a serious crackdown. some of the footage that has come out, unfortunately, too horrific for us to show you on daytime television. we're seeing that truckloads of bodies have actually been -- sorry a truckload of bodies was brought across one bridge and thrown 30 feet into the water in a bid to dispose of those bodies. it's not entirely clear from the youtube pictures who those bodies are or who's disposing of those bodies. the title on the youtube site says they are government loyalists disposing these bodies that have been kill inside clashes, you can hear people spitting while those bodies are being thrown over. we're hearing from some media they were actually stopped by government forces from burying those bodies in traditional muslim manners. back to you, bill. bill: all right, dominic, thank you for that. it is very difficult to get we are reporters -- western reporters inside of syria.

dominic reporting from jerusalem. the protesters in the streets even a month ago reporting well over a thousand already killed, and certainly that number, if true, has gone up since then. thanks. 25 minutes now before the hour. alisyn: a private memorial service is being planned for 11-year-old celina cass, the new hampshire girl who was found dead monday about a week after she vanished. so far authorities have not determined the cause of her death. meanwhile, investigators have hauled away a silver pickup truck from her home. neighbors say cass' stepfather typically drives that truck. celina's biological father says this is all too much to bear. >> incredibly, incredibly hurts me. i don't know how to even explain it. it's crushing. it's heart crushing. it really, it's like a sore that's never going to leave. >> do you believe celina was the victim of foul play? >> i can't say that. i can't go there.

alisyn: here now to talk about the investigation is mark fuhrman, a former lapd homicide dettive and fox news contributor. hi, mark. >> good morning. alisyn: the fact that investigators have hauled away this silver pickup truckriven and owned by celina's stepfather, does that tell you police are heading with their investigation in the direction of the family? is. >> well, alyson we saw early on in this case that there was no struggle, there was no sign that somebody came into the house and took the victim, so they've got to do kind of a two-prong investigation at the same time. they can't eliminate the possibility that somebody outside of the family, and they can't eliminate the possibility of somebody inside the family. the silver truck is indicative of that. alisyn: i want to ask you a very intriguing detail has emerged, and that is that celina's stepfather was previously diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic after he was

violent with an ex-girlfriend. you as a detective, how did you go about getting information out of someone who was mentally ill? >> well, that's an interesting question, but i have to assume that he is under doctor's care and taking medication for that condition which would level them out to be lucid and talk as y and i. a paranoid schizophrenic without medication is somebodyhat would be difficult or impossible to interview or believe anything they say. so that's a factor in this, i think it is kind of a side issue. the red flag for me is the stepfather discovered the victim missing. that's a red flag. second red flag, they've taken the truck away, and they supposedly are looking on the underside of the vehicle. so they might have some evidence along the river of a vehicle or vegetation that had been actually compromised by somebody driving off the road.

so they might be trying to link up those two items. alisyn: here's another red flag, at least to us. you can tell us if it is to you as well. her biological father said that he recently discovered that celina had stopped sharing a bedroom with her older sister and had been move today the basement -- moved to the basement of her house and was sleeping on an air mattress. what does that tell you about what's going on in the family? >> well, the dynamics of this family, i wished i could hear more. but some of the things that i didn't hear about the autopsy is the condition of her body as a female, in other words, had she been, is there any possibility of any sexual molestation. is she a virgin still? all these things could be kept kind of close to the vest. the other, the other problem, of course, is no cause of death which indicates she was deceased when she went into the water. so i think we could e eliminate

an accidental falling into the water. she did not drown, she was dead before she hit the water. alisyn: detective mac fuhrman, thanks so much finish coming in. bill: it is con founding, isn't it? alisyn: oh, horrible. but they're going to find answers. bill: we're going to take a look at wall street right now. what's going on with your money, huh, america? that's what's happening. off 150 points in ten minutes. if you look at the dow 30, it's 11,743. about eight days ago that was 12,800, so we have dropped, now, more than a thousand points in about a week and a half of trading. manufacturing numbers are down, consumer spending is down, the hiring by private companies. none of these numbers are where economists believe they should be to signal a recovery. as we drop lower as we watch it now, off 160 down to 11,737. that's an indicator, again, what the stock market believes is happening in our economy and

what they forecast even further down the road. alisyn: you'll remember yesterday the same sort of ominous drop was happening at the beginning, and it recovered, so we'll see if today can be the same thing. what do you think? when will the economy improve? in six months? in a year? is are we more than two years away? go to foxnews.com/"america's newsroom" and weigh in on today's poll. bill: meanwhile, democrats firing up the rhetoric even after the debt deal is finished. have you heard this? >> it's irresponsible to hold hostage these people and our country and the safety of our airways pending some petty political gain that might be reached. bill: well, it got hotter from this. is this civility both sides had promised? a great panel on this. alisyn: and just in time for a weekend trip to the beach, a new warning about sharks lurking in the water. where they are swimming in the very high numbers and where they're very hungry. ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine all of your missed opportunities

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bill: so, you thought washington would settle down after the debt deal. well, think again. here are how some democrats are describing republicans over this dust-up with the faa. >> are we need to act on this issue now. 75,000 americans demand it, our country demands it, and it's irresponsible to hold hostage these people and be our country and the safety of our airways pending some petty political gain that might be reached. >> under the cover of the debt ceiling crisis that they manufactured, they have set in motion a second crisis. and once again are holding the livelihoods of americans hostage until they get everything they want. this is becoming a very disturbing pattern. we will not submit to a

government by extortion. bill: whoa. mary ann march, former adviser to senator john kerry, democratic strategist rich lowery. raise your hands, who's the terrorist here, and who's the hostage taker, huh? [laughter] >> where i'm with the tea party, so that, by definition, makes me the hostage taker, i think, bill. [laughter] >> disgusted, what it makes me. bill: what's going on here? >> well, i think, you know, when you look at how this year started with joe wilson, republican member of congress standing up during the state of the union and calling president obama a liar, this is where you end up. and i think that's what's so disturbing. and to see gabby giffords appear on the house floor and remind everybody about her shooting earlier this year after the end of that debt ceiling debate which was also ridiculous just shows you how off the rails politics has gotten and why everybody in the country's ignoring washington.

be. bill: rich, it was like an e-mail went out to everybody on the left. terrorist and hostage takers? i mean, that was spoken from if everybody. >> yeah. bill: now, why do you work off a talking point like that? >> if someone sent that e-mail out, i suspect chuck schumer who i imagine thinks this is cute politics. look, to blame joe wilson is absurd. joe wilson apologized the day after and was very contrite about his outburst. bill, you're absolutely right, this is a concerted effort on the part of democrats to compare republicans in the house to hostage takers, all the rest of us, and this reached a crescendo on the very day gabby giffords came back to the house when we had heard from every democrat in the country we needed a more civil discourse and incendiary rhetoric could cause crime and terrorist acts. for democrats and liberals to use this sort of rhetoric is hypocrisy in the extreme. bill: and it didn't stop there, mary ann. now it's going to this faa

battle. senator barbara boxer, hostage taking, government by threat? >> rich, i'll just remind rich that joe wilson raised a million dollars off that comment. so i think the problem here is the democrats saw the republicans successfully demonize them and the debt ceiling and use their own rhetoric. so now people are responding in kind. and i think everyone in washington is out of touch with what the rest of the country thinks right now. they have now tuned out washington on both sides, and they want to see problems fixed, not the kind of rhetoric that we're hearing right now. it does not help. >> so you think chuck schumer's using that kind of language because of what joe wilson said? chuck schumer's an extremely rational and calculating politician. that's not the way he operates. this is very deliberate. and behind it, ultimately, is the state of the economy. when you have stewardship of an economy like this that is so rotten, you are desperate to do anything to distract attention from it and to try to make the other side unacceptable by this

sort of venomous name calling. >> my point is joe wilson set the tone for the year, so we shouldn't be surprise bed this is where we are. >> oh, please. so chuck schumer does not have control over his own tongue? >> >> you know, unfortunately -- rich? rich? >> that's absurd. >> the fact is, unfortunately, you know perfectly well this kind of rhetoric is working right now in washington. that is one of the big reasons -- >> wait a minute, hold on,. [inaudible conversations] mary ann -- bill: this is ultimately to raise money? >> what republicans are calling democrats terrorists and hostage takers? which ones? >> i'm sorry, bill, what did you say? bill: the only reason they're talking this way is to raise money? >> no, no, no. i pointed out to rich's point that -- bill: joe wilson raised money from it. >> he got a million dollars right after that. my point is it set the tone for the year. and. sadly, this is where we are because it seems in washington

that works. it seems to be working in washington with members of congress. bill: i've got to run, but, rich, which on the republican side is doing the same thing? who? >> i think when you look at a lot of the demonizing -- >> the terrorists or hostage takers? >> eric cantor and all of that -- >> has eric cantor called anyone a terrorist? when we talk about the faa and unions and others and you take people who are hard working -- >> you're not answering the question was -- because you can't answer it. >> it obviously -- [inaudible conversations] bill: we will continue this, okay? because i imagine we're going to hear a lot more of it. mary ann, rich, thank you. alisyn: i think the computer was going to let you go. the computer was fascinated by that debate. bill: hal does not listen to me. open the door. alisyn: all right, he thought he was going to die. terrifying moments when a teenager is buried 20 feet deep in the sand. the frantic rescue effort to get

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the helplessness you feel when you're underground, it's, like, you think you can just pull yourself out, but you can't it's so heavy. nobody realizes how heavy six feet of sand is. bill: he was take on the a hospital and a backhoe was brought in to fill in that gaping hole in the beach of california. alisyn: you probably know the beaches off cape cod are, apparently, very attractive to sharks. sharks are swimming in the waters off chatham, massachusetts, located right at the cape's elbow. molly line is live for us from cape cod. you know, sharks live in the ocean, what can authorities do about this? >> reporter: yeah, you know, they are where they belong, i guess you could say. they are here off the coast of chatham, massachusetts. we had a chance to go out with a research team that is studying these massive predators because they want to make sure no one actually gets chomped by one. the last time there was a shark

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going as fast as we need to go. >> reporter: the most important point is the numbers come in the context of housing still poor right now, in the country, late last week you had the economic globe figure, much weaker than expected and earlier this week, consumer spending down, lowest level in many, many years, and, so, the bottom line is, that the president turns 50 today and he's not exactly getting good news on the economy. throughout the week. and as you said, everyone will be bracing for the monthly jobs number tomorrow and you can bet the president will be wanting to weigh in on that, tomorrow, and, last night, he was in chicago, celebrating his birthday a little early and had glitzy fund-raisers and at one point joked a little bit about how the recession turned out to be worse than he expected. >> president barack obama: we knew the road was going to be difficult and the climb was going to be steep and i have to admit i didn't know how steep the climb was going to be. >> reporter: as you said, he's

doing fund-raising, and tied to the birthday, and, he has gotten heat before, for talking about the hole being so steep and the... blaming it, if you will on the bush administration, but, no doubt in the months ahead, as he gears up for the 2012 re-election campaign, as you saw with the fund-raising, he's going to get more and more question about what he has done, on the issue of jobs. bill: and to that point, there is an article out today suggesting the whiteouse has no more bullets in its gun, what strategy with the jobs picture? >> reporter: jay karcarney said there is no magic bullets and they know that and have been struggling for answer for the last two-and-a-half years and what they want to put on the table in september when congress comes back, trade deals that are pending will, create jobs and wants to extend the payroll tax cut and patent reform that will help american companies, create a small number of jobs and add that up and none of that, even

if it is all done together, will make a major dent in the jobs picture, a big problem for the president. bill: a ways to go, ed henry, thank you, on the north lawn, perspective, size and scope of the crisis. unemployment has been at 9% or higher for 24 of the last 26 months. nearly a third of those people collecting jobless benefits have been out of work more than a year. so far, the economy has lost a total of 2.5 million jobs. since president obama took office, i 2009, at the moment, more than 7.5 million americans are receiving some form of government jobless benefits. that is remarkable. alisyn: and there's an ugly number out on consumer coughens -- confidence to share with you, it measures the daily sentiments of american shoppers and has fallen four points to the lowest level since march '09 and is down 3 points from last week and 8 points from last month and 18 points from three months ago. at the same time, this investor

index has also dropped, and we are now just 6 points above the all-time low, for that index. bill: the donald is weighing in on the debt deal, talking with greta last night and he says he hates the debt ceiling bill: >> people are saying the republican made a good deal? i don't think so. and people are finding out they didn't make a good deal, greta, and it is a little like the lame duck, they thought they made a great deal with billions and billions and billions and turned out to be $300 million and $31 million and turned out to be nothing. this is the same thing, people finng out, they should have never allowed this to expire, after the election. bill: there's more on that interview, too. we'll get to it a bit later this hou also, trump was asked if he'll run and he says if the economy is still bad he'll consider it. or at least give it serious thought. we want to know what you think. when will the economy impro? at foxnews.com/americas newsroom, the poll question, will the economy pick up in 6 months, one more, or more than

three years? i couple of options. let us know at foxnews.com/"america's newsroom." at the moment, 95% of the folks on-line said, it will take a least two years to get a recovery. 6 months, a year, two years... alisyn: an updateow for you on a frightening story that we reported live here yesterday. police in australia are on a manhunt for the person who used a suspicious device to keep a teenager captive for hours. investigators say the 18-year-old claimed a masked stranger broke into her home and placed a device next to her, and it was supposedly explosive and, the reports were that it was strapped around ore neck and the took the bomb squad a grueling ten hours to set her free and it turns out the bomb was a fake and the teenager's parents relieved the horrifying ordeal is over. >> i can tell you that we, as parents, are extraordinarily proud of her and she woke up

this morning in good spirits and is tired and sore from holding the damn device in place for ten years and she is now, as i am, eager to get on with her life and again, i sincerely ask you to respect our privacy, going forward. alisyn: grn reporter roger maynard joins us live via skype from sydney, australia. roger, tell us what happened here. was it a bomb collar on her, somewhere? >> reporter: well, that appears to be the case, alisyn. it is really a perplexing case, i have to say. and, the police say it was a highly convincing, but very unusual, what appears to be an extortion attempt, but, beyond that, the details of this case are very sparse, here. we know that a man in a bacalava or mask, broke into the home of the sydney family and there was only the 18-year-old girl there

and they put what appeared to be a neck bomb around her throat, and... and she said, or she was told, not to do ything, otherwise they would detonate the bomb and the police moved in and they stayed ten hours with the young woman before they managed to release her. and, at the end of that, she was traumatized, obviously and the police are no more certain about what exactly was behind the attempt. alisyn: it is an incredible story and i heard her parents, today, saying that she wanted to send her gratitude out to the police officers who sat next to her for ten hours, not knowing, of course, whether something was about to explode. so, they were very brave. we also understand there was a note, maybe, attached to this alleged bomb? any more information on what it said? >> reporter: alisyn, that is quite right. there was a note and we don't know much of the details about it but we know there was no request for money.

, what this was all about, remains a very, very big mystery. but, you are right to mention the young police officer, the young woman police officer who went to the aid of the 18-year-old teenage girl, within minutes of the alarm being sounded, she stayed with this girl for two hours, not knowing whether the bomb was actually go off. and the police today, here in australia, are praise worthy of the young woman. . alisyn: how brave. roger maynard, thanks for the update on this very bizarre story. bill: tried to figure that out yesterday, didn't we. alisyn: while we were on the air... crazy. bill: extreme weather all over the country. it is too hot for too long in texas, 30 state days of triple-digit temperatures, 110° in some areas and today, no relief yet and, a tropical storm

emily, threatens to impact the southeastern u.s. and, janice dean is joining us, where is emily. >> south of hispaniola and do you know any emilies that are big and nasty storms. bill: i guess we could find one, going that way. >> it is such a sweet, sweet name, how can this storm become a hurricane with a name like emily. we have to monitor the system and now we're dealing with a tropical storm, force winds 50 miles per hour and it is south of the island of hispaniola. there is haiti and the dominican republic and because the center of the storm is moving across land it does not have that fuel source, the source being the warm caribbean waters and we'll see the storm be torn apart a little bit, also, mountainous regions across hispaniola, up to 10,000 feet in terms of mountains, so, again, the storm could be disrupted and it actually could die as it makes the traverse over hispaniola in towards the bahamas, however we have to take into account we

could have a center of circulation and the waters are warm across the bahamas and there's the track and 11:00, we get a new track and new advisory and new models to show us where we think the storm is going, but now, there is the official track moving close to florida and the southeast coast and we cannot rule out, a possible landfall across florida, especially if the storm is weak and right now it's not moving, it is stationary and there are a lot of question marks we have to see what happens, as the storm moves across the bahamas. very hard to forecast and there is a discrepancy, a couple of them moving into the gulf of mexico, we'll watch it and monitor it and bring you the latest. bill: janice, thank you, we're in that season. janice dean, thanks. breaking news from virginia on the campus of virginia tech. we're getting word, right now, trying to piece it together, about 10 minutes ago a local affiliate confirms the campus siren system was ac investigated

and the reason it was activated is because the police claim a person with a gun was spotted near a dining hall and the university police asking people all over campus to stay inside and secure their doors. we all remember what took place there, three years ago, an awful, deadly shooting that went on an hour-and-a-half and police are conducting a search for the gunman and trying to confirm what he has and what he wants and spotted outside of a dining hall the campus of virginia tech and the campus now in lock-down and the siren system has been activated and virginia tech knows the drill all too well and we're working our sources in virginia and we'll get more information on that, and that is just developing, at the moment. just crossing here, a few moments ago. so stay tuned for more. we'll get you information from the campus. alisyn: meanwhile the debt deal is in the rearview mirror but there is plenty of opposition to it, still. >> i did not come here to go along and get along, i came to

stand on principle and do what i think is best for the united states. alisyn: donald trump says republicans failed on that mission. did they? congressman jason chaffetz is standing by live to respond. bill: going on a road trip for the white house. president obama, where he's going, it says a whole lot about the state of play for the u.s. economy and the future and 2012. alisyn: and, deadly violence in mexico reaching war zone status in some places. now, they want to tighten their reins on american gun shops near the border and the gun lobby is firing back.

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bill: all right, breaking news now, out of virginia, we're not quite sure what is happening on the campus, we only have the alert from the police department, campus police, and indications, the siren system was activated because someone believed to be a gunman, was spotted with a gun outside a dining hall, breaking within the

past 20 minutes and we are watching the news reports out of blacksburg and, unfortunately, virginia tech, knows the drill all too well, april 16, 2007. a span of two hours, 32 were killed and 45 were wounded, before the gunman committed suicide in blacksburg, virginia. alisyn: what the campus is putting out on the web site, right now, on your screen and it is ominous, person with gun, reported near dittrich, obviously a building, stay inside, secure doors, emergency personnel responding, call 911 for help. that is very chilling right now, of course, hard not to remember what happened there, the scene of the biggest massacre, school massacre in american history. bill: from what i am reading, dittrich is the dining hall and i'm not sure where that is situated on campus, as we use the map with the assistance of the google map we'll try and figure out where on campus the dining hall is located.

but we covered that story for weeks on end. and, what a bloody, awful day that was in the history of the great university. alisyn: damage the one person with a gun can do and you can imagine how scared the students are, now, they've received this warning, and you will remember back when it happened in 2007, bill, there were some complaints, that the school did not respond immediately enough and their alert system did not work, efficiently enough and now, they've sent out this message and, again, i'm just struck by how blunt and chilling it is. stay inside, secure doors, call 911, for help. bill: it is august 4th. i'm not sure most students would be on campus that time of year, in all likelihood, summer courses and summer classes but i cannot think with the bulk of the students, they are back from summer break yet. alisyn: let's hope. bill: authorities are issuing a lock down on the campus of virginia tech and virginia tech led the way, unfortunately, for all the wrong reasons.

after the massacre in april of 2007. for campuses and schools across the country, and how they could get ready and prepare, the early alert system to allow as many staff and students as possible, about a threat on campus. and, that model has been taken and used, in countless universities and schools across america today. alisyn: sending out everything to a blackberry, a cell phone, and as quickly as possible and, again, they are just being as direct and using an economy of words, here, person with gun reported near dittrich, as bill said, the dining hall, stay inside and secure doors and emergency personnel responding, call 911 for help and we haven't heard from the police yet about how they are responding or how widespread it is. bill: here's the timeline, it is now, 10:18, east coast time in blacksburg. at 9:47, virginia tech alert went out claiming a person was

spotted with this gun, outside the dining hall and people on campus were asked to stay inside and secure your doors and police now are going through the area near dittrich hall to figure out what is up. 9:59, 12 minutes later, one of our affiliates, wflf in blacksburg confirmed, the alarm system had been activated. and joe matthews, former supervisor, homicide division in miami, florida, good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: frankly, we do not know what is happening on the campus as we get the news here we'll try and reach out to people who may be eye witnesses and also, could be working with the campus police. but, it is true virginia tech set the stage for the alert systems now widespread across universities in america. how does that system work when a threat like that happens.

>> the positive thing is it is working now and the students are aware of a possible crisis, law enforcement is aware of it and they'll be informed what to do and whatnot to done and one thing you have to be concerned about, is it could be unfounded, meaning that maybe it was someone that had a permit to have a gun, as, let's say, off-duty police officer, and it was season in his waistband and may be unfounded and on the other hand, if there is credibility to it, at least those who didn't get it on the e-mail and heard it on the siren and hopefully are away from the crisis. bill: you can use e-mail and cell phones and the text messaging system is so prevalent, especially with young people on the campus today. joe, in your experience, when you suffer the amount of trauma

that virginia tech has suffered over the past four years, are you more quick to respond or to react and, do you react with paranoia or an abundance of caution or both. >> i think it is a little bit of both, more so the abundance of caution rather than make a mistake. it happened here before and let's utilize whatever we have, and if they have a system, like if someone is suffering chest pains at home, you know, they hesitate to call 911, because they don't want the neighbors to see fire and rescue at their front yard but the bottom line is, it could save their life, even if it is a mistake and in digestion. so, i think that is the same state of mind most universities are in now and, a sign of caution, notify the police and set the alarm. bill: stand by, okay? getting several notes from our

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alisyn: breaking news to tell you about right now, a troubling situation unfolding on the campus of virginia tech. i'll tell you what we know. the details are scant, because it is breaking and developing. an alert has been sent out across the campus of virginia tech. alerting student to stay inside because a gunman has been spotted, somewhere on the campus. the new information we have just gotten is that at 9:09 this morning, three juveniles, attending a camp at the university reported seeing a white male, 6', light brown hair

outside of this new residence hall east holding what may have been a handgun, what the three kids thought, it was a handgun and they say the weapon was covered, they think by a cloth or covering of some sort and it sounds like they didn't see the actual gun but they believed that he was holding a handgun and he was walking fast in the direction of the volleyball courts and wearing a blue and white striped shirt and brown sandals, and they have a description of the person, but, when campus police responded, they could not find the person. so, virginia tech send out an alert telling anyone on campus to stay inside, secure the doors, call 911 if they needed any help, obviously, it is troubling on a number of levels, but mostly because we remember the virginia tech... virginia tech was the scene of the worst school shooting in american history, back in 2007. bill: i think it is remarkable police are putting out this much information, this early and in a times we do not get it this quickly, blue and white striped

shirt, stripes vertical and gray shorts and brown sandals, no facial hair or glasses. those three individuals, the three juveniles attending the camp got a good look at the white male, 6', light brown hair, spotted near new residence call, and we talked about dittrich hall earlier and, new residence hall is like a dorm that could be nearby. alisyn: and, of course, just to remind everybody of what unfolded april 16, 2007, that is when a student there basically unloaded his gun, and ended up killing 32, i believe, 30 people, 32 or... bill: 33, total. alisyn: that is right, 33 people were killed, 30 more were injured, that day. and that was just a bloody, horrible massacre, a honorable moment in the history of the country, so any time anything happens at virginia tech you have to wonder if there is a

copycat situation happening and, obviously, campus security has been on high alert and they immediately sent out a campus-wide alert telling people to stay indoors and call 911 if they saw anything. bill: police are all over this, it is clear they have not fond the man, if indeed there is a man there that has a gun, as we have been reporting here, but, law enforcement from blacksburg are on it and christianberg police departments and montgomery county sheriffs office moving through the campus, patrolling the campus, it reads here, continuing to look for the subject and if you have any information they are asking you to call the virginia tech police department. or 911. the local number, if you are in the area, 231-6411. you probably have the number on speed dial on your phone, if you live in that area or 911, can take your call, also and they have not found the person and at the moment it is not clear when or if they will. alisyn: and here's the alert that went out across campus, i think, it is worst reading, because it is so alarming, sent

out 9:37 a.m. that is about half an hour after the kids say they spotted the guy, person weather a gun reported near dittrich, stay inside, secure doors, emergency personnel responding, call 911 for help. bill: the story developing, 40, 45 minutes old and often stories change and change quickly and this, we are learning from a virginia tech school, dittrich hall is where the virginia tech corps cadets train, like a rotc program and whether that has anything to do with this or not is not known, but that is dittrich hall. looks to be a two-storey building on the campus of virginia tech and many students not on campus but there are activities, getting ready for the football season, coming up this fall and, we know it is significant and summer classes are in session, for at least another week. alisyn: and apparently, a camp is also held on university

campus, because that is where these kids who think they spotted a man with a gun, but, again, let me reiterate, they said they believed the weapon was covered by a cloth or a covering of some sort and it is hard to know if they actually bill: april 16, 2007, 32 killed plus the gunman, that made 33, 25 wounded in the two-hour stretch on the campus, a day that marked the worst campus shooting in the history of our country and that is something that lives on in the members ree -- memories and minds of everyone, who attended that school. and they have not found him, if indeed the story pans out, we'll find out whether or not police get their man in moments. a quick break here, breaking news on "america's newsroom." [ gnome ] ahh...

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also, whether or not police can find said person. and right now, both those questions are not clear. alisyn: it was frightening enough to these three kids, that they alerted authorities, because of what they believed the man was holding, though they say it was covered by a cloth or covering of some sort. we want to bring in now, former miami beach detective joe matthews. joe, it sounds like the school is taking this seriously, though it is hard to tell if what the kids saw was really a gun? >> the first thing they'd do is interview the three boys separately to validate what they have to say and if they went through the alert system, then, i'm sure they thought it was credible and the second thing is, i'm sure someone right now is checking all the surveillance cameras, throughout the university, to see if anyone is wearing that type of clothing that fits the description and if many cases if they did not see the weapon itself, that he was covering, a number of scenarios

could have taken place, number one, he did it intentionally, to, you know, play with the kids, like, covering up something that was insignificant, and made it feel like it was significant, or, he could have been an innocent person, walking with something, and th thought it was something that was illegal. and it might have been a justification on the part of the person carrying it, not... though it might be against the policies and the rules of the university, maybe carrying a firearm to his dorm or something, he went target practicing and didn't want it to be seen and obviously it was, and the most important thing, right now, is to validate the witness and to look at surveillance cameras. alisyn: that is great detail that you have given us, and, it unds like the kids, who saw this, who were attendg a camp, at the university, because we don't think the school is yet in session, it sounds like they were spood enough by whatever they saw to give police a very detailed description.

they say that he was walking fast in the direction of the volleyball courts and wearing a blue and white striped shirt, stripes were vertical, gray shorts, brown sandals, and he was 6', light brown hair, outside of the new residence hall-east and apparently campus security were alarmed enough by what they heard that they sent out this alert throughout the campus, it says, person with gun reported in dittrich, obviously a building, stay inside. and secure doors, emergency personnel responding, call 911. of course, this is what campus seurity trained for, apparently, after the horrible massacre, virginia tech suffered in april of 2007. >> i find it interesting with such a detailed description, if they gave the description together, or if they were separated and each gave the exact description i would be concerned about that, because,

the identification of a suspect, is the least reliable, and, in most cases, when you have three witness, there should be discrepancies, one, he's 5'10" and the other says, 6'2" and one says it is blue and the other green and i'd be interested to see if they were interviewed exactly at the same time and all agreed on one story. >> joe, it is 10:38 now on the campus of virginia tech. the first alert went out at 9:37 on the campus web site, and what you are watching now, is a web cam, that is transmitted live from the campus and that alert went out, telling students and employees to stay inside and secure the doors. the alert said the gunman was reported near dietrich hall, and only steps away from a dormitory where the first shootings took place in 2007. perhaps it has nothing to do with april of 2007 but clearly

is on their minds, joe to your specialty, police from virginia tech, and blacksburg, virginia, christianberg, virginia, montgomery county, they have all responded and that is quite a force, is it not? >> if there is a csis in one city, they all respond and it came through today and we know it works and what they'll do is maintain a position on the university area, until they feel secure, and then will put a show of force, 3, 4, 5, patrolling officers to be seen, and, will also have other people such as the local detectives, university police, doing what they call an area canvas and will go through the dorm and knocking on doors, and just start asking questions. bill: we're on the web site for the university here, www.vt.edu and so far, it is able to handle

the traffic which i'm certain shot up considerably in the past hour. joe, it is also possible, the police may not find the man? correct. >> there's a possibility an probability they won't. especially if he was there, for, you know, not doing anything wrong, you know what i mean? a mistaken identity or he was carrying something other than what it was and if his intentions were not bad and you can be sure that now that he's a target, he would have ditched the shirt and not tell anyone. alisyn: sure, of course, it is possible the kids misunderstood something they saw, but, after what did happen at virginia tech, obviously everybody is on heightened alert forever there. but i want to read what has come in, sent out, a tweet, sent out on twitter from the managing editor for virginia tech students affairs. and, what this person tweeted is in case anything is worried, things are fine as far as we know. we are all inside and waiting to hear more info.

so, clearly, the students who were on campus are taking it seriously, and they were told in the alert that went out 9:37 a.m., from campus police, to secure doors and stay inside and it sounds like the person, in the student affairs office is doing just that, when he or she says we're all inside and waiting to hear more info. bill: hopefully it is nothing in the end. there is another one... one moment, joe, see the virginia tech home page or e-mail for further information, what students and staff are told on the campus on possible person with weapon. this is just sent out moments ago and people on campus, stay indoors until further notice. what were you saying, joe. >> when we get a hurricane warning, it is the same thing, you are prepared, waiting for the storm but, if it passes, you are happy and if it is there, you know what to do. alisyn: is it troubling, know, that the person was on foot heading fast, according to the

students, who saw him or the kids, who saw him, at the campus, they gave a description and he has not been found yet and the police fanned out across the campus, does it trouble you they haven't located the person. >> it doesn't trouble me. i wouldn't expect it. once the alarm was sounded and he knew he was identified, if in fact it was a legit call, then obviously, he, if he lives there, he's secured in his room and whatever. but i think the attention has to be placed as much as searching for him, to validate or invalidate the claim that they saw him and that is so important, it is -- summer vacation, you would have to interview them separately and make sure it is a valid complaint and again, working it on both angles. you have the uniformed patrol detective and the interviewers. >> all right, we're talking to joe matthews, a former miami beach detective, thanks so much

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bill: back to the breaking news out of virginia tech, blacksburg, virginia as alisyn mentioned, the managing editor of the virginia tech student affairs, sending a tweet, in case anyone is worried, things are fine here. as far as we know. we are all inside and waiting to hear more information. we, too, are waiting to hear more information. as to whether or not there was a confirmed sighting of a gunman on campus, an hour ago. the virginia tech student, ashley brown, is with me by telephone, ashley, good morning to you. you are on campus now, that's right? >> caller: i actually left campus 10 minutes ago, my class had just ended. bill: what have you heard about what is happening there, ashley? >> caller: well, i got a report, 9:37, throughout they'll classes, an alert went out and,

saying that there had been a gunman spotted and we should stay indoors and lock the doors and remain where we were and basically, await further instructions, and, about 10:10 everybody received an e-mail saying the suspect was not found but that officers were patrolling campus, and that we should stay indoors, but, as class let out, everybody felt certain that, you know, it was just like a warning kind of thing, and we were able to leave class, and, i left through another building and the alert was down, when i left. bill: that was your decision. and you felt comfortable enough to leave that building and walk home? >> caller: it was our decision. it was on the other side of campus, at williams hall, across the drill field and at that point, they had let us know that there was officers patrolling the entire campus and they did not, you know, advise us by all means to go but we made the

personal decision and i walk with my entire class, out. bill: where are you now, off campus, in your off-campus apartment or where. >> caller: yes, off-campus at my apartment. bill: what is dietrick hall. >> caller: the opposite side of where i was across the drill field, a big dining hall facility and that is where it had been spotted and it was pretty far away. bill: we are told a siren sound, about an hour ago, did you hear that? >> caller: yes. we heard it from my classroom in williams hall, all around the drill field you could hear the sirens ringing throughout the classroom. we were definitely notified with that. bill: what were you are you, ashley. >> caller: going into my senior year. bill: were you there, in '07. >> caller: not at that point. bill: you were a senior.

>> caller: a junior. bill: and you decided to go to virginia tech and you were well aware of what happened in april, '07. >> caller: i was, yes. bill: how has the alert system been used while you have been a student on campus and what is your level of comfort, for how matters like these have been handled? >> caller: my level of comfort is pretty well, you know, secure. the alert system is used very well. i feel very secure. they alert us through text message with the littlest things and they run, you know, reports, false alarms to make sure the system is working properly. and, make the connections well and they keep us well-informed, e-mails, you know, throughout every classroom, and, anywhere you walk, you know, if you take several steps there is an emergency button and i feel very secure and, you know, that was a big decision i made to go to virginia tech and the security system they've installed is very comfortable. bill: thank you. thank you for your time, okay. >> caller: thank you. bill: be well, down there.

>> okay, just to update you if you are just joining our conference, there is breaking news out of virginia tech, 9:09, three kids who are on the campus apparently attending camp, at the university, reported seeing a white male, 6'tall, light brown hair and they believed that he was holding a handgun. but they say it was covered by a cloth or covering of some sort and at 9:37 a.m. an alert: person with gun reported at dietrick, stay indoors, manners personnel responding, call 911 and the web site apparently crashed now and we are monitoring the situation, whether or not, the campus police and other authorities have found this suspect, we will let you know, we'll take a quick break and bring you back all of the developments as soon as we come back. hey, the new guy is loaded with protein!

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alisyn: more breaking news on the situation unfolding on the campus of virginia tech. down in black burg, virginia. we want to show you right now, this is a live streaming shot from the campus web site. the web cam, we should say, of campus and what is interesting here, is the flagpole, you can see that in the distance, that is where there is a memorial built, to the victims from the april 16, 2007 massacre that happened on this campus. the reason this is significant is, today, an alert has been sent out to students across campus, that it is possible someone was spotted with a gun, on campus, at least that is the report, from three students who were attending a camp at the university, a summer camp there, and they believe that they saw a

white man, 6'tall, light brown hair, holding what they think was a gun, so, we should be clear they did not see a gun and the weapon was covered by a cloth or a covering. but they were alarmed enough to alert campus police, who then sent out this campus-wide alert at 9:37, a.m they sent out these words: person with gun reported at dietrick. stay inside. secure doors. emergency personnel responding. call 911. we have talked to some students on campus, who were very alarmed, obviously, to get that alert and i want to bring in now, molly henneberg who covered the school massacre at virginia tech in 2007 and it must send a shiver down your spine to hear something is happening again today on campus. >> reporter: we were the first national news crew there on campus the day of the shooting, and what was interesting, then,

and now, is when we got there, the campus where we were allowed to go was very quiet and we were making phone calls, trying to get information from students who may have seen something, and, the students we were able to talk to knew nothing and had gotten no information or enough information and didn't know what was going on and compare that to today and you see what virginia tech and probably all college campuses learned, it is a different world now on a college campus when this kind of thing is reported. you heard from a student previously, there were sirens and multiple communications, by text or e-mail or alerts to classrooms, to individual students and that is different, what virginia tech wanted to do, improve their communication system and it appears they did. bill: you are so right. alisyn: we are seeing the evidence of that improvement today, thanks so much for joining us, with your collection of what happened. bill: three juveniles report a possible gunman and a possible gun man on campus, 11:00 a.m. eastern time, campus police brief reporters. we'll have that for you, next.

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