>> judge jeanine: this is a fox news alert. there is a manhunt on tonight. have you seen these three? they are armed and dangerous. police need your help. plus -- >> she vanished from her home without a trace. >> whenever you are ready to come home, sweety, daddy will be ready for you. >> this week, researches found her dead. what really happened to salina katz. and casey anthony surfaces in ohio. was it all staged for money? plus, a law school grad's killer is under arrest. why police say this man murdered lauren gidding.

come up tonight on "justice." hello and welcome to "justice." i'm judge jeanine pirro. siblings dylon and grace dougherty and their half brother stanley are on the run. it is believed the three robbed a bank at shot and police. it started in florida but they were last seen in georgia 2006 subaruite 2006 saab a with new york license plates. the sheriff joins us. welcome. thanks for being with us this evening. can you tell us what the latest is? >> thank you, your honor. we had several incidents occurred started in pasco county on tuesday. went to valdosta and committed a bank robbery and as of that we are hoping for the public input to find out where the fugitives are and bring them to

justice. >>udge jeanine: it is my understanding, sheriff, there are billboards in ten states. do we have any idea where these guys are or where they are headed? >> no, your honor, unfortunately we don't know right now, where they are. that is why we need the public jen put. the fbi is working with us. i would like to thank the private detective with the billboards putting them up there but we need the public to come out this and help us. more importantly if the family wants to help us. we want a peaceful resolution. if the three doughertys want to bring us violence we will handle it and bring them to justice one way or another. >> judge jeanine: and them's fighting words, sheriff. how dangerous are these kids? >> well, if they want to shoot at the law enforcement officers at high caliber weapons and go into a bank to shoot it up we will do what we have to do to end this. we want to end this peacefully. >> judge jeanine: my understanding is they shot at a

police officer who tried to stop them and actually disabled the police car is, that, correct? >> as i say before they are suspects in that shooting. we have had information that it was their vehicle that was involved. we know that ryan and dylon have bought high caliber weapons. the fbi does have warrants for their arrests. they are in a violent spree right now. >> and ryan texted his mom saying "we all have to die sometime." she spoke during a recent interview. let's take a listen. >> you maided some bad mistakes but so far no one has been physically harmed. the only safe thing, the only right thing and the only good thing possible thing to do is for you to turn yourselves in. i love you.

>> judge jeanine: any chance that they would turn themselves in? >> we hope they do. it is only by the grace of god and the lord that nobody has been harmed yet. and for the officers, you know, when you are getting shot up by a high caliber round for those people in the bank it is the grace of god that nobody has been hurt. we want them to turn themselves in peacefully. but we understand it seems eight this time they don't want to do that. it may sound like fighting words but if that is what they have to hear that is that they will hear. >> judge jeanine: no question you have the absolute right to do what is in escaped to protect the public and prevent them from committing on a crime spree. what do you think caused or started all of this? if people aren't aware, monday ryan was convicted in volusied a county it, florida, for a sex offender. he was given an ankle bracelet.

we don't know what his thought process was. it seems like they are on some type of mission. we don't understand what their mission is. we are offering them every possibility to turn themselves in but it seems like every step of the way they are doing something else so become more violent. >> judge jeanine: and ryan is 21 years old. how many convictions does he have at the age 21? >> we already know he has 13 felony arrests. >> 13 felony arrests, sheriff? >> yes, your honor. >> judge jeanine: iwhat is this guy doing out of jail? >> gretchen: that is for the courts to decide. >> what charges,. >> sex offender, burglary. we have a list at pasco sheriff

.com. these are violent people. the whole family. some reason they are doing this. we candidate pleading w keep p. we want to bring them to justice. >> judge jeanine: joining them are the former neighbors and former nypd detective. i will go to the neighbors and start with you, paston john. what were these people like as neighbors? >> they were just normal neighbors. i mean the only thing that eventually became unusual is we did hear gunfire, target practice. we are out in a very rural neighborhood so that eventually got our attention and we had concern over our children. personally we know he them prior to those kind of developments and they are just normal every day people. >> productivity. and i will go to you, yvonne. we found lee grace that is the

sister in the middle we found her profoe account online and her profile reads that she likes causing mayhem with my siblings. does that sound like the people who live next door to you, yvonne? >> lee grace, i don't think ever lived next door with you the boys did. she seemed like a kind gentle person. i have known her in a vague way over the years. she seemed like a nice girl. i had no idea that she had those type of leanings. >> and sheriff, just to go back to you, she has a record as well as the other brother but who do you think is the ringleader here? >> i'm not sure at this time. none of this makes sense. it doesn't make sense why they are out there shooting, why they are out there robbing banks. however, at the same time we keep offering for them to turn themselves in. >> judge jeanine: and i will go to the former nypd homicide

detective. where do you think this is headed? >> three people that are crazy. they are siblings which makes them more dangerous because they will be more protective of each other. >> judge jeanine: ryan, 21 years old, 13 felony arrests. you say they are crazy, why? >> they are doing things totallyish rational. robbing a bank at broad daylight. firing at a police officer. they have weaponry. i'm sure there are things going on fending outer in information about them. what other kind of weapons do they have. a plot brewing for a long period of time or something hatched recently. >> judge jeanine: what are you looking for now? >> the weaponry is very important because if god forbid there is a stand off between cops perhaps their ultimate goal is to suicide by cop and you want to know what kind of

weapons you are going after. the other thing is in terms of talking to people you have an opportunity to find out something that they may have said. do they have a long-range plan. and maybe even if as they were kids maybe they played bonnie and clyde when they were kids. did they have a plan to go to mexico. they are driving a car with new york states. they are on the streets right now. >> judge jeanine: that is personally offensive with me. where did they get the plates? they borrowed a car from the girlfriend of one of the brothers. >> judge jeanine: i want to go back to the pastor and yvonne. ryan, 21 years old is a sex offender and why he is not in jail i don't know. he has 13 felony arrests. they lived next door to you. you didn't now any of this? >> they stayed to themselves. i knew dylon personally because he had grown up in the church

in the youth group years ago. i knew dylon. i didn't know the other two. when his father passed away and his mother moved i think that is when things began to go down and we started hearing sometimes the gun fire and loud music and things like that. >> judge jeanine: scary stuff. sheriff, i will end with you. very quickly, what should people do if they see any of these three individuals. >> immediately call 911. notify us. i ask everybody to pray for us because this may end pr violeny and we need to protect our law enforcement officers and the public at large. >> judge jeanine: they were last seen driving a white 2006 subaru with new york license plates. thank you, sheriff and john and yvonne. coming up, what really happened to salina katz? surprising new details in the

death of the 11-year-old new hampshire girl. what evidence are investigators removing from that family home? stay with us.

>> judge jeanine: 11-year-old salina katz was found dead this week. investigators are trying to piece together her final hours. less than two weeks ago, 11-year-old salina katz is safe

at home with her family hanging out in her bedroom working on her computer. the next morning, her stepfather says he went to wake her up but salina was no where are to be found. >> we are pleading with any one that has any information to please contact the police. >> a massive search are is launched. over 100 state and federal investigators going door to door, no trace of salina. the 8 h hundred residents of west stewartstown are scared but hopeful. this past monday, devastating news. >> it is with sadness that i report earlier today we discovered the body of salina katz in the connecticut river in stewartstown. >> judge jeanine: around 10:30 a.m., salina's body is found by fish and game divers

doing a search of the river only a quarter of a mile from her home. her body is under water, wrapped in a blanket. >> at this time, both the cause and the manner of death remain pending. >> what really happened to salina? joining me now is the editor of the colebrook chronicle. what is the latest. do we know how she died and are there any suspects? >> judge, the way the case has been moving along there was a lot of police cooperationarily on as far as getting information. once that body was found we have virtually heard nothing. what i have seen is the family home has become the center of a lot of the investigation. on wednesday of this week they removed the second vehicle from this house. it belongs to the stepfather.

we are not seeing any more searches or alerts for look for this person or that so have has to us to be a situation that they are focusing on something right now. >> judge jeanine: we don't know how she died, is that, correct? style magazine no, but we do do know it is a suspicious death. everything i'm hearing sounds like a homicide but we don't know because we heard from various sources about the body being wrapped in a blanket. >> judge jeanine: you do have information about the night that she was last seen. what can you tell us? >> she was on her computer. her sister was not at home that night. normally the two sisters stay together and the older sister was away and the mother from what we understood was the last one who saw the girl and that was about 9:30 at night on that monday. the next morning was when she was reported missing. and that was actually by a neighbor.

from what we understand the family was searching and the older daughter went to the home of a neighbor and asked if salina was seen there when the neighbor heard what had happened she called 911. >> charlie, it is my understanding that the two sisters, salina and her older sister highway believe was 13 were moved out of their bedroom into the basement and the mother's ex-boyfriend's son moved in their bedroom. what is that about? >> we have been trying to find out more about kevin. he is the person that has the pickup truck that was first taken away from the scene shortly after she was reported missing. he apparently is quite close to the family. he was at the wedding of the mother and father last year, the step father last october. he is in wedding pictures. he is 23 years old. does have a criminal record we understood. >> for what, charlie?

>> it was for a burglary. we haven't been able to trace exactly the outcome of that. >> judge jeanine: this makes no sense to me. how does a mother allow her ex-boyfriend's 23-year-old with a burglary conviction to move into her daughter's bedrooms and then throw them in the basement? does that make sense to you? >> we have seen -- well, you know, a lot of this doesn't make sense. that is the problem. about what we have seen over the past two weeks. the home is an open home. a lot of people come and go. two or three times now it is under police tape and as soon as it is removed there are more people that come back into the family. you can guess perhaps this is the family that welcomes everyone in. >> judge jeanine: is this a party home? there is talk or reports that people party there all the time. >> again, i don't know. all i know is i have seen a lot of people there and but it is also yesterday last night we

saw the family which was kind of a surprise, building a float for the stewartstown day celebration which was held this weekend. and they were very visible in the parade the family members. again, showing i think their intent was to show their appreciation to the community. >> judge jeanine: stay with us, charlie. >> sure. >> judge jeanine: and straight ahead, is casey anthony shopping in columbus, ohio? and who took this picture? coming up next on "justice."

>> judge jeanine: welcome back to "justice." joining me is par mark fuhrman

along with dr. baden and criminal defense attorney joey jackson and, of course, charlie jordan is still with us. i'm going to go to you, mark fuhrman. the step it is father here is a person who apparently first realized she was missing. he is a paranoid schizophrenic who a judge has ruled a is a danger to himself or others. dealing with sun in this i scenario with that illness, how would that affect your investigation? >> well, the first thing you are going to need to do is make sure that he was was under a doctor's care and taking medication that actually worked and actually made his paranoid schizophrenia actually in so

many words disappear and if he wasn't on medication why. know the prescribed amount. how many are missing when it was prescribed, how many are left to narrow down he was taking his medication. the red flag for someone that is reportedly uncooperative is you have somebody that discovered the victim missing. is this in his normal routine he goes down to wake up the victim or was this unusual that it happens. sometimes suspects become part of the investigation in a positive sense to stimulate the missing status much like scott peterson did with his wife. hell of a competitor he want to almost introduce themself into the investigation. one last thing, judge, a paranoid schizophrenic i don't think a polygraph is going to be all too useful to you you. >> judge jeanine: i agree with you there. an autopsy conduct, no cause of

death, what does that indicate to you. >> she didn't drown or wasn't alive whistling sh when she wee water. supports a homicide theory. was transferred there in some kind of vehicle and that is why they are looking at the trucks for trace evidence. wrapped in a blanket. did they have clothing on. if they are doing a rape kit they would be looking at dna studies and all. >> judge jeanine: no question, doctor, they are waiting for toxicology. it would tell us if she was plied with alcohol. >> that usually doesn't work with hp an 11-year-old. >> what about a rape kit? >> that would be the serology. and that would be a value to see if she was sexually abused orally or and anally or

vaginally. depends h how she is wrapped and what clothing she has on. was the clothing ripped. did she struggle. lot of that is known. the problem with cause of death is if it is strangulation that is hard to evaluate in the child -- >> wouldn't there be the petechial hemorrhages? wouldn't you see that as part of asphyxiation from straunge lakes? >> it is not always present. a gradual asphyxiation, dr. baden would probably be able to answer this a little clear are and with more expertise. it seems to be less present if it not a violent strangulation

or asphyxiation where theriati. >> and especially with a young girl. an 11-year-old is different than with a 20-year-old or 30-year-old the step dad first saw she was gone. his behavior is bizarre. going in and out of hospitals like a supermarket in the last week. what is your advice to him? >> all the things that you mentioned. number one, his background is problematic. they will look at that. a schizophrenic person there. a step parent relationship which is frought with difficulties to begin with. he, of course, is in a position where he is not cooperate because he is the focus of a criminal investigation. not announcing him at a suspect at the time. >> judge jeanine: they cooperate because they want to be the good guys. we saw it with the giddings

case. >> and his attorney will advise him to keep it zipped, your honor. >> judge jeanine: and built in insanity. >> the son also fits a lot of what you said, joey. >> judge jeanine: all right. i want to thank charlie jordan, mark fuhrman, dr. michael baden and joey jackson. thanks for being with us, gentlemen. of course, what is casey anthony's latest money making scheme and will she be going back to orlando to serve probation? police say also that he is a cold blooded killer who killed a recent law school graduate but his family says he is innocent and he is being framed. stay with us. you have just long enough to go get a drieadlines when you wt

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since getting out of prison last month and not just the real casey anthony. women who look like her and even a guy named casey anthonyy anthony have been threatened. as for the infamous one who was acquitted of killing her two-year-old daughter casey anthony's secret hiding spot isn't so secret any more. defendantjury find the not guilty. >> judge jeanine: she was acquitted by a jury of her peers but stepped out of jail to an angry and unforgiving public. after driving off in an suv, america's most hated mom seemed to vanish under the cover of darkness. that night, grainy footage of a private plane boarding passengers. it was casey or just some golfers on a weekend trip? reporters scra scrambled to fir but weeks went by with only rumors of possible hideouts. maybe she was laying slow in

the hollywood hills or living it up in new york city. there was even an alleged picture of her celebrating her freedom in the the party girl capital, the jersey shore. this week finally confirmation. tmz and the new york post released photos of casey anthony walking down the street in ohio. and now i am joined by senior executive editor for star magazine and radar online, dylon howard. now, dylon, is that photo, the last one that we saw, do we even know is that casey anthony? >> there is no confirmation of that. doubts raised by a noted lawyer in los angeles mark geragos who says he has information to believe that is not casey anthony and he is close to jonbenet. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. jose baez. it does look like her. wearing dark framed glasses and

perhaps put on a little bit of weight since she has been out. we do know that she does have family members in ohio. >> judge jeanine: if you see the photo it is not like she is holding her hands up to her face or are there other paparazzi around here and if she is in so much danger wouldn't she have like a body guard near her. are these photos staged? theseould believe that theater photos are staged. doesn't appear it is taken from a long lense. appears as though the person was taking them up close to her and there was no response from her. there was a slight glance from her to the camera. the origin came from the largest paparazzi. one of two scenarios. either they had terrific information to know where she was or someone tipped them in to it and that could be someone

close to her, could be family, could be someone close to her team. >> judge jeanine: and what surprises me if her team is so worried about her she wouldn't be out in ohio shop big herself. we also e-mailed casey's defense team and we asked if they were the ones that were selling the photo and they didn't respond to our request. i assume that that is the same kind of information you got. >> absolutely. they are not commenting nor is the agency that released the photos but it is clear that the sale of the first photos to a media outlet would have secured tens of thousands of dollars if not literally hundred hundredsf thousands of dollars. wigbegs the question, was any e involved with it. >> there was the question about the interview, the big million. >> shelters won't get it. >> are they now selling the

photos one by one that maybe the defense team is just trying to make some money here. >> a plussible theory. we have seen two of the major networks indicate that they are not prepared to pay money for an interview or prepared to license material which is a covert way in which networks are able to get interviews with key subjects. the possibility and pool of interviews is small at the moment. not going to get that million dollars pay day. no one is prepared to risk their renditions to be seen to be offering potentially blood money to casey anthony. so, is she forced to sell potential paparazzi photos and tip people off as to where she is? only she can answer that question. where in the world is casey anthony. it as great guessing game. if the photos were released they have moved her to another

location. who knows and who really cares. >> judge jeanine: i hate even talking about this woman right now, i really do. but there is public interest in it. i'm going to ask you a question. i believe that all of this talk now about, you know, we are going to get h her into therapy is about softening the perspective fires for an interview. >> absolutely. you see there she saint in therapy there. >> shopping there. >> shopping at old navy. >> judge jeanine: right. >> she is a deeply troubled person who needs help. everyone has made that classification after seeing what happened at the trial. >> judge jeanine: does someone like her really think they need help or is this a p.r. stunt? >> i would hope that those around her are trying to help her out. it is clear if you spend three years mostly in solitary confinement you would need help going back in the real world. and perhaps if there is a payment it should go to a

foundation or a charity in honor of her young daughter. >> judge jeanine: the only person i feel bad about in terms of solitary confinement is the little two-year-old who was thrown in the swamp. thanks for being with us. and a beautiful law school grad is found dead. police say that this man murdered her but he says he knows who really i did it and claims he is being framed by the killer.

>> judge jeanine: judge perry is deciding whether casey anthony should return to orlando to serve probation for her check fraud conviction. he ordered her to serve it upon release from jail but the order to the probation department left out upon release so the

probation department monitors casey for one year while she is in jail and then release her from probation. now, does casey have to serve the one year probation now that she has been released. the judge hasn't decided yet. joining me is marcia clark. marsha i will go to you. have you heard of anybody on probation while they were in jail, this don't the corrections officers monitor the behavior of inmates in prison? >> it is ridiculous. there is no such thing as probation in jail. a judge has a lot of discretion and i'm certain the judge could say i want you to serve probation concurrent to jail time but that is a present they gift wrap for somebody and i have never seen it done. probation is meant for people not in custody.

>> judge jeanine: when i order it you do it to get the people who have been in jail to reacclimate into regularring society? should she get the benefit of a clerical error? >> what the judge said controls over the written order. judge said what he meant and meant what he said and because a clerk happens to write it down incorrectly the entire meaning of what he said has been sub verted now. i know in florida the circuit courts have a division of opinion about this and they are in conflict and it is due to be decided by the florida supreme court pretty soon. >> judge jeanine: we both agree that the oral pronouncement pretty much supe supercedes the

written. >> yes. >> judge jeanine: the defense says she doesn't need probation she needs treatment. >> she needs to honor and own up to her own faults and inadequacies. it doesn't require residential treatment. >> let me ask you this. doesn't she have to be ready for treatment? i mean and if you are her therapist you got a doctor patient relationship do you believe anything this woman says? >> an old joke about who. shrinks does it take to change a light bulb and the answer is just one but the bulb really has to want to be changed. even if she duck into treatment for a secondary gain a clever psychiatrist could get her curious about the real story

that she doesn't want to admit not just public by but to herself. i think the prognosis is poor. >> judge jeanine: and with the prognosis being poor and obviously you never examined her, you have a woman who danced for 31 days after her own child died. how sick is someone like this and don't give me this free therapist that the defense brought in who said dancing and having sex could be reaction to death? >> i don't know what was going on in his mind when said that. what we are seeing is she has some kind of mental disturbance. it is pretty obvious to everybody. i don't know what her diagnose is but i don't think you need to be a shrink to see that. it doesn't require residential treatment. that is reserved for people who failed intensive outpatient treatment. she needs to see a shrink several times a week or two or three years and really mean it.

>> judge jeanine: one of the arguments against probation is that casey would be in danger in orlando? do the courts have an obligation to protect her in a scenario like this? >> i would like to say no but i think they do. i think they do. i think if you are going to bring her back in a place of peril and florida is a dangerous thing for her right now you can't just drag her back and say okay, deal with all these death threats. you put them in a position of peril and you have to do something about it to prevent them from being harmed. >> and probably ane administrative probation where you move it to another state would make sense. thank you both for being with us tonight. >> thank you. >> judge jeanine: and coming up next, this beautiful woman was murdered.

police found her body dismembered. now, an arrest. but do the police have the right man?

>> judge jeanine: friends and family remember lauren giddings at her funeral in maryland today. a beautiful law student whose life was cut short by a monster. could it be that someone who knew lauren actually killed her? on june 25, law school grad lauren giddings e-mailed her boyfriend in atlanta saying she didn't feel safe in her apartment. that was the last time any one

heard from her. five days later the 27-year-old was reported missing. ing macon police went to h her home to investigate. lauren's apartments locked. inside police found her cell phone, her purse, h her keys. no sign of a struggle. and no lauren. hours later, outside the building, a shocking discovery. lauren's dismembered body found in the building's dumpster. the whole town was on edge. >> what is going on in your mind right now? >> why would any one do this? >> tuesday night, macon p.d. charged this man, lauren's neighbor with felony murder. >> i heard -- if i heard something maybe i could have help. >> what convinced police that steven killed and dismembered lauren giddings? >> judge jeanine: all right, joining me now is weekend anchor and reporter for our fox

affiliate in macon, georgia, wgxa, michelle casada and back with us, dr. michael baden. you have details about what led to the arrest. what can you tell us? >> police announced they had received results back in the fbi and all the results that they had received pointed to one person, steven mcdaniel. he was charged with felony murder and say says if that thy found a hackl saw in a locked storage and the package for the hackl saw was found in his apartment. he had possession of the keys to her apartment and a master key to the apartment and also states that he previously commented that he could commit murder and provided details of methods to avoid detection. felonyge jeanine: fellly

murder. do you know what the felony is that results in the charge here? >> the d.a. does not want to reveal what the felony part of the charge is. >> judge jeanine: the defendant's mother says that mcdaniel told the d.a. who really did it. what is the story there? >> this is coming from the macon telegraph. they say that mcdaniel's mother is saying that the hack saw, your question was about. >> that mcdaniel says he knows who did it. >> he says that he saw a man standing at the balcony on june 23, the thursday that lauren said somebody broke into her apparment. >> and who is the maintenance man? a third year law school student. >> judge jeanine: another law stew kent. one murkowskied and another charged and the one charged is the one saying the maintenance man was the one that murdered

her. doctor, police believe that a hacksaw was used to dismember lauren giddings. he said his wasn't strong enough to cut a tree so he threw it away. can it still cut a bone? >> depends how it is use and just because he says it is not strong doesn't mean it isn't strong. it has unique teeth on it and the police by this time and the crime lab should have been able to look at the tool marks on the cut bones of the torso that they found and see if it matched the hac ksaw. >> judge jeanine: let's assume that the hacksaw on the bone matches the one that they have, they know it is the same one. he says he threw it away. there is no dna on the hacksaw from the defendant is, that, correct? >> police haven't released that. >> judge jeanine: what kind of

killer ends up dismembering his victim? >> usually people with deep psychiatric problems who dismember a body. we had a few in new york city over the years. also has to be done in a place that doesn't leave much in the way of blood around so usually a bath tub would be used for that. i understand that the police would have studied the bath tub and taken the drain and see if there is any blood. >> judge jeanine: and they took the bath tub and have all of the cities engineers plans for the drains. >> so they would know if there is any blood from the victim there or not and also remember they are looking for the other body parts. all they found from the reports of the torso the head and extremities are still missing and apparently there are people going around to the dump sites. >> still looking. >> to see what the cause of death is because we don't have a cause of death yet. >> i know that. thanks so much for being here. i where we had more time to

chat with you. that is it for us tonight. thanks for joining us. see you next week. captioned by closed captioning services, inc.