huckabee. ♪ >> welcome to "huckabee" from the fox news studios in new york. what the credit down grade really means to you and what is it going to take for us to get upgraded again? charlie gasparino will be with us to explain it all. and did congress in washington really make that debt ceiling deal to avoid a downgrade or was it to get re-elected? there's much more for you tonight on this special edition of "huckabee." glass you are with us tonight. let me say that after friday night's news that standard & poors had downgraded our credit

rating for the first time ever, there had been a scramble to understand and interpret it. now the news came after the rather tepid jobs report that showed a slight down tick in the unemployment rate. gosh, even that was stained by revelations that it was largely because so many people have simply quit looking for a job. maybe that's not the entire story. i mean, in a week of bleak economic news, president obama celebrated his 50th birthday with a $35,800 a plate dinner in chicago. then he blew out the candles on the cake in the walls of the white house with a star-studded bash featuring stevie wonder, tom hanks and a lot of other a lifters from hollywood. given the hard times, and such parties at a time when 16 american americans don't have jobs, but not me. i want to congratulate the president and not just for his 50th birthday. i want to congratulate him for

his obvious efforts to really stimulate our sluggish economy. because now hopefully none of the presidents guests flew in a private corporate jet to attend it because i know if they did he would give them a stern lecture how evil that would be. i'm sure they all came in electric sparse high-speed trains, and no doubt they all eight arugala sandwiches and had tofu for dessert. but he did create a lot of jobs for those who set up the chairs, and those who polished the plates since the one plate cost more than the average american makes in a year. i'm glad the president had such a large time with his friends. by the way, they think that they all ought to pay more in taxes. so hopefully while they were gathered they passed a great ole big hat, so that way everyone could empty their pockets and

open their checkbooks so they could give more to our ever responsible federal government so the fine folks at the party can bale out our government. well, i'm sure that happened. so let's get back, jack. let's cut the president some slack. his birthday gig might just bring our economy back. and that's my view. if you have one, go ahead and tell me about it. go to huckabee.com and when you do go to the fox news feedback section. when you go to mikehuckabee.com, be sure to sign up or join my facebook page. and america's rating has been downgraded. how does it affect you? let's and fox business network's charlie gasparino. [applause] >> charlie, good to have you back. >> don't you hate those guys that say i told you so? >> and you told us so. >> last week.

>> you said this would happen. why did you think that? >> it was the most telegraphed downgrade i have seen in my life. they have been going around washington the last month or so and say they were going do it. they said if the debt deal didn't cut $4 trillion from the deficit, it's bad. and all the body language was that they are going to do it. i've been doing this for a while. i've been covering municipal down grades. never before have i covered the u.s. being downgraded. just from that standpoint it blows me away. i suffered economics way back when and the triple a rating of united states was sacrisanct. every model was based on the point that we will never be downgraded, we are king of the hill. from that standpoint it's a sad day. >> it's a sad day and a big news day. but let's talk about it from the standpoint of how much it is actually going to i believe packet every american. is there a lot of unnecessary

panic being spread around right now? >> no one really knows. yes, there may be a lot of unnecessary panic. i don't know and i've been talking with wall street people all day trying to get their sort of voice on this. it's hard to tell. i mean, here's the doomsday scenario. you lower the u.s. credit rating, all interest rates go up -- >> when did they go up? >> monday next week. monday morning. monday morning the treasury bonds. remember, the price of treasury bonds, not set by s&p, they just issued an opinion. that president obama weighs into what traders think and investors think the price is going to be. monday morning, doomsday scenario, prices go up and that means yields -- prices go down, yields go up. if interest rates go up, that affect your credit cards, that affects what you pay for a mortgage. that's the doomsday scenario. you have a spike in yields and spikes what everyone pace on their credit cards. >> let's talk about that. if a person has a rate and it's fixed, it's not going to go up. >> probably not but if you want

to get a new one, it will cost a new one. >> get your credit today, buy a car today. don't wait monday. buy the home today and lock in the rate, if you can. >> spend all your money. >> but i want to be serious about it because i think a lot of people think come monday, if they have a home loan at 6%, it's a 30 years fixed and they are going to say it's not, it's 6%. >> but it's not. it's locked in. unless there's an adjust i believe rate. and probably then there's a time frame. >> read the fine print. who knows what it's going to say? >> how many people in this audience ever read the fine print with anything like that? >> you should. sometimes it's hard to get through. >> i haven't either. >> it's not easy to understand but sometimes it says it's based on the isa keeping a triple a rate being. and two agencies say it's triple a. s&p is saying it's double a plus so it's a split rating. do you go with the high or low?

that's why monday will be an interesting day, maybe scary day in the market and maybe a nonevent. i will say this. the john consensus is stocks will trade-off. one of the reasons they said they are downgrade sudden because we have a long-term deficit. one of the reasons of a long-term deficit is because your economy is stuck in the mud and you basically have no solutions coming out of this administration. what congress wants to do, i talked to eric cantor will tax reform late last week, lowering all the rates, and plugging the loopholes s the president really going to sign on to that? no. so you have fiscal policy gridlock. the fed can print money but it hasn't worked in the past. >> japan had a downgrade and it didn't affect their economy all that greatly. >> their economy has been in desperate shape the last 15 years. maybe it hasn't affected the stock market in that big a way. but this market is pretty trigger-happy. and stock traders, the guys that rule the markets, they trade off of headlines. i'm not saying it is going to happen. i'm saying be prepared it could

happen. if you are an advantage investors, i would not panic. if you have a long-term view in the market, keep that view. don't let this -- see what happens next week. i'm bearish on the market because when i hear a president of the united states say i want to spur the economy through high-speed rail ways and infrastructure bank, that makes my head spin. because that stuff we tried it already and it failed. >> charlie tell me, who are the people behind standard & poors? i'm not just talking generically, but these people have a lot of impact and effect on our lives. who elected them? where did they go to school? what are their resumes? >> i agree. >> this is this nebulous unseen glob of people and i don't know who the heck they are. what can we do to find out? >> well, we quote them all the time. >> we do, but who gave them this kind of power? >> the markets did. listen, they are old businesses. by the way, these are businesses that missed every financial clammity in the last 70 years

since they were created. it's a huge conflict of interest. the usa doesn't pay for its rating. thank god we don't pay for that. >> yeah. >> this is why they missed so many other markets. >> they missed the housing blowup and everything else. >> because they were getting paid by the people that were issuing the debt. it was a huge conflict of interest. >> there you go. isn't there a question about the integrity of an entity that is refereeing a game and they are being played by the players to call it a certain way? >> absolutely. before i went to tv i worked for the wall street journal, a print reporter. and i wrote about their lack of integrity for 15 years and no one listened for many years until the financial chance. we are in different territory right now. but they still have a lot of power on the market. in order to do a deal you have to get a bond rating. it's almost an extortionary thing. >> and talking about not being listened to, it sounds like my wife at home. by the way, next saturday night don't miss a saturday special

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>> we are back. charlie one of the big surprise timothy geithner said for sometime, there was no way it would happen. watch the interview with peter barns. >> is there a risk that the united states could lose triple a credit rating. >> no risk. >> so standard and poor's is wrong the united states will keep the triple a credit rating. >> absolutely. >> mike: why is he still there? >> i have been asking that

question. >> mike: i was against his confirmation. this should seal the deal. >> he was one that was supposed to prevent the financial crisis . where was he? it is interesting about geithner the market went up 500 points had he was announced but before he was confirmed. at least obama didn't appoint bill ayers. >> mike: he couldn't have done any worse. >> and then one of his first public statements on a bail out and i broke the story. the market went down 500 points because he was so uneven and out of his depth. this whole crisis proved . last week, and the reason why, obama is pressuring the state and worrying about a bruising

confirmation battle . he's trying to get geithner. >> mike: he could have had a game changer. >> he's not going to do it. >> mike: i am serious someone that the republicans couldn't oppose but sends a real signal. it doesn't change the obama policy a lot. he needs someone to walk the plankk. you have to create a different optic. you have a guy who is driving the train and off of the rails and you will let him back in the seat again? these are people who know geithner . they say he's looking for yes, men . not independent voice. he can appoint the erskin who is a smart guy. the markets would love that and more credible. >> mike: you know why he is not. we have the answer for this and we will roll with it right now.

>> you're out. don't. you. i got where else to go. i got no where else to go. >> mike: that's timothy geithner and why he's got no where else to go. >> unfortunately. i hate to say this. but the big banks would probably hire him. he's all part of that? >> mike: what an incestous relationship. >> it makes for good stories every now and then. >> mike: folks probably have questions and i will let them get in on this. >> hi, i am jim, and i just talked about credit card and our home credit and stuff, how do you think the downgrade will affect us with price of goods and services every day of our lifes? >> it was a hypothetical

answer i gave you. no one knows what is going to happen. with goods and services interest rates go up that is usually bad for the economy, right. that's what might happen. if things are bad for the economy, inflation goes down. i am giving you an economic's lesson and you have less jobs if you map out the doomsday scenario. it could lead to a double dip. >> mike: how would we know the difference. >> that's right. >> i am tawny from san diego and i have six grandchildren. how will it affect student loans and or tuition? >> good question. i don't know about tuition. >> mike: it is up. i can tell you that. have you heard of tuition ever going down? >> no. it is not. >> mike: charlie will make predictions on that. tuition is going up.

>> what was the other one? >> student loans. >> interest rates go up that's what could happen in a major way. we'll have to see longer -- home loans and student loans are pegged off of the treasures . those prices should go down and interest rates should go up. >> mike: we have time for one more question. >> governor huckabee, what advice do you have for president obama in case he's watching in terms of immediate action he needs to take? >> mike: i know he watches this show every week. he pays no attention but get rid of geithner. even if it doesn't change the policy you got to give the american people a sense you are doing something different than what you are doing . the next thing he has got to call in people from the republican party and say guys,

i know we have been fighting. we are in this together and figure out what to do to get a treasury secretary we can believe in and get the country back track. good policy is good politics. this period - president thinks that god politics is good policy. he needs to take care of the policy and i wish he would take this piece of advice. maybe he will. charlie, thank you for being here. always a pleasure. speaking of charlie and new york representative charlie rangel said christians ought to be liberals. he is having a hard time [ male announcer imagine all of your missed opportunities in one place. ♪ the front-row tickets you never bought. the lucrative investment you never made. the exotic vacation you never took.

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c>> mike: new york representative charlie rangel and i have had a public disagreement over jesus and taxes. >> many would ask the question what would jesus do? what would jesus do this weekend in >> mike: this guy had trouble passing his taxes and he ought to get the coin out of the mouth of the fish and pay his taxes. he took our debate to the house floor recently. >> my good friend mike huckabee said one of the things that jesus would do is pay his taxes. that scores for the good governor. but when you have a 14.3trillion dollar debt, it is kind of late for that message to have a strong impact. >> mike: well, today instead of discussing the long distance charlie rangel joins me for a come to jesus'

meeting. >> good to be back. >> mike: you were on the floor of the house and envoked jesus' name and i wonder if a republican would have envoked jesus, people would say you are bringing religion boit. you didn't get in trouble. >> because republicans talk about jesus we say amen thank you for coming. >> mike: no, there would be a blow up. >> you know, i was talking about anybody whether partisan, catholic, jewish or muslim or morm on. it is my true belief that our country was built on taking care of your lesser brother and sisters and a country of hopes and dreams and i have no problem saying what jess jes would do? it boils down what is the right thing to do? >> mike: let's talk about the right thing to do in relation

to that. what you said is that america is built on a religious foundation. 92 >> yes. >> mike: you believe that? >> i believe every value that we have had as a country has concepts that are involved in religion. it doesn't mean that you have to be a christtian, but the christian ideas are permeated in other religious beliefs? >> mike: but the basic christian concept. >> that's what i said. >> mike: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. this is my point. when republicans say similar things and that we are a nation founded on judo judicial principles and i get my head ripped off that i am injecting the faith and ramming it down peoples'.

snidon't think people are critical. >> mike: i will show you the news clip. >> maybe the mormon and broader sense of people coming to america. but the basic principles that bring us together as a nation is how you look. our stocks went down dramatically as we are two plus inted of three a. it is how people look at us as a fighting group of politicians rather than having the faith that makes america so great. if we believed that god was on our side and if you do the rightt thing you are rewarded for doing the rightt thing. i don'tt care if it is republicans or democrats. the last thing in the world i expected that it would be controversial. believe me. >> mike: i would tend to agree it shouldn't be controversial that people envoke faith in an

american discussion . it is part of the fabric of our lives. do you think, you mentioned medicare and social security. >> yes. >> mike: would those things be better if they were -- not that they are. would they be better to be handled familis and churches and communities, you have the attitude that the government ought to do this. is that the first resot or last resort. >> it should be a combination. what the family and caint do government ask. we ask for the very wealthy just to contribute this in which terms of helping the federal government to help people help themselves. >> mike: people who have passive income and investors and they don't really work for their money. i don't mean they didn't work. but now their money is making mon yethey are passive income

earnings. they pay 15 percent. wage earners and small business owners are paying 35 percent. doesn't it make sense to lower the tax rate and create a more fair system. i am a fair tax proponent. wouldn't it be better to have a flat rate so you are paying the same rate. even warren buffet talkhe pays a lowwer tax create than his own secretary. >> you make a lot of sense and i save it when you gave the eloquent testimony which was clearr that you are not an expert but you are make common sense and the committee needed your voice in that. whether you call it a flat tax or reform, this system is bad . it has to be corrected. even when you brought up my tax problems, i would be able to say the tax code is too dam complicated. >> mike: yes, it is. >> but people say we shouldn't

have any revenue and not try to correct it and not try to reform it. at a time when we have, a, a deficit, as terrible as the one that we have now over a trillion with the about that we pay and at the same time we have multinational corporations paying zip, there is something wrong with that picture. as you pointed out. we have hard working people and families paying a higher tax rate. so what is the flatt tax or consumer or value added tax. what is important that we reform the system. >> mike: congressman, on that part of the -- >> the republican party said under no circumstances. they were willing to take the united states in default on the issue that no revenues could be raised. >> mike: congressman you could

be a hero get the fair tax somehow created and get that done so we could have a real simple tax code and this republican will be there with you all of the way. we have to go. >> i promise you, it approximate you want a leader in reform, you got one. >> mike: congressman one day we'll talk more about jess -- jes jess jesus do? thank you very much. thank you very much. republican i ate breakfast and got heartburn, third day this week. so i took my heartburn pill and some antacids. we're having mexican tonight, so another pill then? unless we eat later, then pill later? if i get a snack now, pill now? skip the snack, pill later... late dinner, pill now? aghh i've got heartburn in my head. [ male announcer ] stop the madness of treating frequent heartburn. it's simple with prilosec otc. one pill a day.

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live from america's news headquarters. overseas markets reacting sharply to standard & poors downgrading of our credit rating. middle east tumbling of that friday night's downgrade. and the eex30 index falling by

more than 30%. and israel's key index plunging 7% to close at 1,074 points. the s&p is warning u.s. there could be another downgrade in six to twenty four months if congress does not cut more debt. reports of more violence tonight in london. this was the be scene last night in north london. the worst rioting they have seen in years. and hundreds of vandals are back on the streets. police arresting several looters. it was sparked by a deadly shooting that happened on thursday. i'm harris falkner. now let's get you back to "huckabee" >> mike: the weeks leading up to the deadlock. politics blaming each other and blaming them for the consequences ultimately before a debt deal was reached. what was the point of the drama if the credit rating was

going to be down anyway. congressman, it is good to have you. >> linn, i got to say, mike, did i not get it right, last week? we have to stop meeting like this. i thought it was ground hog day. huckabee wants you if again. >> mike: we only bring back the ones that nail it. one of the reasons we want you to come back, we'll talk about how much of the back and forth and indeceasiveness that was going on in washington affected the decision bystandersard and poor's. >> it played a role and early inications that it might happen. the president suggested it might happen. i think we have learned a lott and a wake-up call. we can't tinker around the edges. we have to be bold and strong

and the statement that came from the president from my perspective an endorsement of our republican budget that we passed and they harshlyy criticized. remember, mike, you know this well, we are the only country in the world that as we went through the down turn in the economy had the debt increase . we can't sustain that kind of thing . so now, we have no choice. there is immediate thing to do being. one of them is langishing for the last four years and opening up markets for the u.s. goods and services. president bush set up the free trade agreement . korea free trade agreement will be the largest in the history of the world f. we passed those immediately we could send a positive response that we are serious getting

america back on the edge. >> mike: it is more than the debacle over the debt ceiling. we'll take a little piece of the white house press secretary. it was a important step in the rightt direction yet the path was getting there took too long and was too divisive. now, congressman. >> that is a statement i put out, mike. >> mike: how can you argue with that? that is boiler room pure nonspeak. >> right. >> mike: it said what the president expected to say. but nothing concrete. >> right. >> mike: this is a president

who ignored his own bipartisan commission and acts like he is going to pay attention to the new one. >> malined our budget that stepped up to the plate and addressed the challenges. and if we don't get the economy growing. it is gross domestic growth. if we had two or three percent more. we wouldn't be having this discussion. as we continue to see the unemployment rate in excess of nine percent. it is still very, very bad . we have to be serious about i will tell you it is an uncertain time and you are the internationally acclaimed musician. i think you would understand the famous june lenon quote. life is what happened when you are making other plans . you remember that well? you thought when we passed the

deal we would send a positive signal. we have seen a drop in the dow and work nothing a bipartisan way and see the approval rating for congress improve. we are in unchartered territory and i fear that interest rates will go up . any corporation that sees credit rating reduced has to pay higher interest rate. we need job creation and economic growth to generate the revenues to pay down the debt and deal with this. >> mike: congress, we know there is tension between the tea party and republican ranks and more traditional establishment republicans. does this cause with the downgrade, now give reason that people are going to come together more or is there a bigger gap between the two parts of the republican house? >> i linn to the advice that you gave to president obama

and you are talking to charlie. you were right on the mark you said the president needs to recognize that we are in this together. whatever you want to say about the agreement we came to this past week. there was recognition that we have the potential to come together and deal with the challenges that we have here. that is something that needs to happen . they like to greatly exagerate the gition. i will tell you. i was electt to congress the day ronald reagan was electted and i will say the tea party is about cutting taxs and reducing the size of scope and count me in. i am proud of that effort and some might call me an establishment republican. >> mike: it is great to have you here. keep the phone handy. we'll probably call you again. [applause]. little bit of hope here. i know people get anxious.

but remember that no matter what standard and poor's say. the united states of america is still the best looking puppy in a bad litter . there is a problem economically across the world. but can you think of any place you would rather be than in the united states of america in the worst of the economic times. [applause]. >> mike: liberals are certainly blaming the tea partiians and calling them hostang takers for standing their ground . according to the s&p 500 the deal fell short. now does the tea party fell vindicated a bit. stay with us. an accident doesn't have to slow you down.

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[applause] >> mike: one of the reasons that standard and poor's gave the downgrade when they did and how they did, was the debt ceiling deal with 2.1 trillion in budget cuts didn't go far enough. isn't that what the tea party was saying all along. we'll ask the founder of the dallas tea party and welcome back. david, good to have you larger deficit reduction in order to make the deal work. we got snubbed and pushed out

of the way. you foal vindicated. >> i feel sad for our country. i woke up this morning feeling sad for the future of our country and feeling angry at our government. leaders in washington seem to be the only ones in the world realize you can't borrow without negative consequences and this is happening . what we will see. democrats will go after s&p and the republicans will hold up our hand and say we tried. tea party movement is the first inning in a longg game. we had a good bat. governor, we have a longg game and need another good bat. >> mike: vindication. >> vindication but only because the success of what we have done changed the dynamic in of the country. they came to a null deal and

deadlock and go nowhere. but we have people in america challenging washington on fiscal policies. i am going to go shortert than that . this winter, we'll see what plays out. they downgraded our long-term debt. but our short-term debt is on a watch. tea party needs to watch. we didn't change the behavior. when you see that. they cite the wrangling and we didn't change the behavior to give them confidence in the future action and this president is clear. he's going to borrow and pend and washington, i am sorry, republicans, stand up it is conservative. it is not right or left. >> mike: phil, there is indication and also demonization. this week. i have lined as democrat speaker after another going to

the podium and say the tea party is holding the nation hostage and terrorism and these are strong words. react to that. >> i am sorry, president obama's good friend bill ayers. we are called astroturf . right wing extremist and evil mongers and a name that harry reid made up and habits by senator mccain. what it shows us that the left cant defend its political ideology. how can you argue with the focus and principle of the tea party. we want our government to spend less money than it has in revenue. we want free markets and constitutional limited government and fiscal responsibility . the other thing that we did wrong that offended them. we exercised our first amendment and peacefully assemble. >> mike: how dare you.

>> we have electted people to represent our views. >> mike: you do have folk in congress. some of them you seem to be upset because they voted for the boehner deal. weren't they looking at not the best but best we can get. >> and to be fair, there was a separation. there were people who voted on the reason they were elected tea party support and only deal on the table. i understand that vote. here is my advice let them call us hobit or terrorist . so much like the fellowship of the we are forming alliances and working to get there. and we'll come and knock on the gates. but for the at the time party. let me give you advice. focus on getting more people elect don't become a part of the washington model of lit mist test and destroy

ourselves. get 40 more people in congress and five more senators when the states cut the ties, and apron strings with the federal government, federal government doesn't need to be that big or onerous in our lifes. >> mike: phil and david thank you very much. one of the things that occurs to me. more people accuse you of the horrible things, the stronger you get. like they are throwing gas linn to a already well burning fire. in many ways it is counter productive. >> thank you, governor. >> mike: we'll send it to you live on straw traw from the traw -- straw poll in iowa. that is next saturday. that is next saturday. i will be back with [ male announcer ] imagine all of your missed opportunities in one place. the winning horse you could have picked. ♪

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>> mike:y the latest presidential poll numbers s sometimes i would like just say, hey, there is stuff going on out there, but nothing to get you all shook up about. so make some ice tea and listen to some good music, close your eyes and thank god you are an american. that's the newscast i can't wait to see. sometimes a piece of news comes that may not be a headline in the new york sometimes and probably won't get the breaking news treatment on fox news and you won't see stories about it on everyday for a week. but it's pretty darn important. i had a piece of news like that last news like that last week. my close friend and fishing

buddy died last week. it was not a beg story for most of the nation but the biggest story i dealt with. jennings was a remarkable man and grew up poor and worked around the clock to build a profitable and successful business. he used his wealth to do big things for others. sponsoring a firework show for holidays so everyone would enjoy them for free and through massive barbecue evens and feed 5000 people in a single day. this was a huge tray of food that weighed lenn pounds and feed a family for a week. he would give them away for free often where a tornado had struck or one that was struggling. he was a quiet understated soft spoken man and quiet demeanor belied a razor sharp wit and assessment of events. we fished together on his pond

and arkansas river and lakes in southeast arkansas full of bass, that is until we fished them and spent time going out to eat with our wives. he loved bill and gloria gather. he stood out of the lime light and thrilled to be in the same room with bill and glorria gather couple of the greatest songwriters ever. i presided over the marriage of his daughter and last week, i went home to do the last thing i could do for my friendd. i spoke at his funeral. now i have to get back to lesser things that are happening. big stories this week, sure. they are important. but most important things in life are not money. whether ours or the government's money. even more important are our familis and our friends and faith in god that keeps all of the thing right perspective.

from new york. this is mike huckabee, good night . keep the faith. motorcycles, boats, even rv's. nobody knows where he got his love for racing. all we know is, it started early.

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