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deafening. fred imus, dead at age 69. hello, it's "the five 5:00 e east coast. i scared the heck out of bob. i'm dana perino, with bob beckel, andrea tantaros, judge andrew napolitano and greg gutfeld. perhaps no one feeling the heat more than president obama. "wall street journal" columnist asks is obama smart? even the "new york times" is questioning his agenda now. plus, london ablaze. riot and looting taking over the street. we have the latest as fears of continued violence increases. and what al gore thinks of the global warming skeptics.
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>> [bleep] >> dana: more of that wild rant coming up. "the five" starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> dana: president obama facing harsh criticism today and on experience i know negative coverage comes in waves that often happens in the white house. off story, you need to let it burn out but some of the coverage would make a former press secretary want to crawl under the desk. i want to point out even the "new york times" said today in an editorial that anyone hungering for a robust vision to invigorate the economy and increase employment is still hungry. the criticism is not based on single instance, but more about his leadership in general. do you think they have a problem with this? >> they have a serious problem. if you look at his tenure,
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there have been sistances where you see the leadership questioned, but never so collectively and never a consensus from the right and the left. the "wall street journal" sums it up. he makes predictions that are false and promises he can't honor, reneges on the commitment he has made in private. he surrenders positions in public. he's absent from issues which he has a duty to be involved and overbearing when he ought to be absent. i'm telling you, that is a perfect explanation of what is happening. the left a lot of members on the left agree. one last thing, if you look at what happened with the s&p and look at the criticism, why they downgraded, because of the gridlock and couldn't service our debt and our budget. couldn't balance the budget. these were three things that obama promised in 2008. he changed the tone. he promised balanced budget and promised to reform
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entitlement. >> i want to say how shocked i am that the "wall street journal" would attack barack obama. >> give me one time that the "wall street journal" said anything nice about barack obama and i'll give you a big bucket of roses. let me say this. all this criticism is about a fraud leapt downgrading by a fraudulent organization called standard & poor's. has anybody else stopped to think for a second? no other agency in the world, rating agency downgraded the united states except for standard & poor's who did lousy job. you are playing as if this is a downgrade. >> half the country relies on that. you are the only one that says fraud. fraud means they know and intentionally deceive and lie for a selfish reason. what is it? >> what is the lie? >> bob: lying up on the republican side.
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>> greg: can i butt in here. i want to talk about why you are seeing criticism from the left. what you are seeing is the consequences of something i call ocad, obama criticism abstinence disorder. it's what happened when the media has not said anything bad about obama for two years. until it's built up to a point they can't hold it back. you see the "washington post" explode. it happens. >> one of the interesting things that andrea read from the "wall street journal" piece, by bret stevens. who is on "freedom watch" tonight at 8:00 eastern. >> nice plug. >> bob will be watching. one of interesting things was he is overbearing. i think he is the opposite. under whelming. showing no leadership skills. he waited three days before talking about s&p and gave one of the poorest speeches of his career in the course he seemed
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timid and ignorant. >> bob: i thought it was not a good performance at all. i agree. did you in the opening -- i was hanging on every word. but did we make the point that the market went up. the market went up 430 points. the obama rally. after the fed, after the fed said it was going to keep interest rate low for next two years. >> dana: let's talk about that. after the market stopped the slide, i don't see how you can get credit for us and the market and not take the blames for the down. >> bob: i don't see how you don't get it in the opening writing by the producers when yesterday all we did is leave with 600 points down. hobble. >> not good to attack the producerring. >> bob: i understand that. i like to do it. they're fun. >> what? >> let's ask andrea one thing. walk people through the fed announcement today, they are going to basically keep the interest rates where they are for two years.
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to me that is a pessimistic view of what they think will happen in the economy. i don't think we should celebrate that. >> the market did. >> look what has been happening. fear driving the market. that's why they did it. cashing is crawling for anyplace to find itself. the criticism of the president is right on. i do think he looks confused about this. he is looking going i did what any good liberal would do. i said and did all the right things and smart liberal. now liberals that came out with the scathing editorials are saying we have annexo stennial crisis -- an existential crisis. >> if you knew dana millbank was coming to the press briefing you knew the next morning would not be a good one.
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what he said, in a column in the "washington post," that president obama, "he delivered his statement on the economy but needs a portrait of abraham lincoln but that was as close as he came for forceful leadership. he looked grim and swallowed hard and mixed fatalism with vague patriotic exhortations. if you come out and say our country is still a triple-a country, you wouldn't think you need to read that. >> it looked bad he read it and that he said it. the cheerleader statement one wouldn't expect from the president in middle of the market day to turn the market around. instead he caused, precipitated or participated in one of the precipitous declines -- >> bob: are you kidding me? >> good news, the day after we had the tenth worse law in the country we had the tenth highest rise in the country. >> bob: can i make another point? >> people decided it's time to take profit.
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hang on. the law of supply and demand worked. ben bernanke said to keep the interest rates less than on the free market. keep buying. >> bob: what else is being bought, one reason i'm surprised that the left is hitting out like this. if they do it, it's built up a lot of positive writing about obama. there is a way to bet on this. would one of you, please, all of you say this is one suspect credit rating, when the rest of the credit rating are not downgraded. where is all the money in the stock market going? when they leave the stocks, coming to the u.s. treasurys. gold and u.s. treasurys. >> dana: greg, step back. if you are the american people and you have your dinner getting ready for tonight do you think they follow this roller coaster ride on the stock market or just throw up their hands?
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>> greg: dating a manic depressive. bob is correct. if you are going to yell panic when it plunges you are entitled to hit the parade when it goes up. but the problem we don't have memory of goldfish. you have to remember context. one lesson you are learning about president obama is that he has an adversary in the tea party. this is why people are panicking over obama. obama is a person without a principle. the party is a principal without a person. >> bob: first -- >> greg: that's what it is. >> bob: i dated many manic depressives myself. it is wonderful. when it's down, forget it. >> greg: they became manic depressive after dating you. you were the problem. >> bob: they could have been a contributing factor. if i could say this about the last comment you made -- >> greg: it's true. he doesn't have a principle. >> bob: the latest poll
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shows right now by 2 to 1 the american people reject the tea party. 2-to-1. >> dana: as usual bob gets the last word. >> greg: they lack principle there is no person that represents them. >> dana: we'll move on. coming up, we'll talk about what happens next in the economy. and how we get the triple-a rating back and get debt under control. don't forget to e-mail us at thefive@foxnews.com. "the five" continues next. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back to "the five." this news just coming in. senate majority leader harry reid announced his three choices to be part of the so-called super committee. senators patty murray of washington, max baucus of montana and senator john kerry of massachusetts. i want to go to bob first to ask what your thoughts on the super committee. do you think he is pulling the plug quick and jumping on this because of the news? you're still dancing? should we just let you dance? >> bob: sorry, the music off. first, these are extraordinarily good choices. two of whom campaign i did.
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max baucus is the chairman of the finance committee banking. this is an appropriate thing for him to do. he also was somebody who i think did a very good job, has done a very good job on financial issues in the last couple of years. patty murray is a businesswoman who understands the business community well. and was successful. john kerry is rich. so -- >> greg: he married rich. >> bob: something i would do if i had the opportunity. ja you don't like rich people. >> bob: i like democrat rich people. >> you like rich left wingers. >> greg: rich lab ares are different from rich republicans. they don't want you to get rich. >> bob: there is something to be say about that. but these are three good choices i think in this community, everybody is saying that the down and out on the committee. this committee is the last best chance to get ourselves a long-term debt relief program. >> greg: i disagree. just have another committee. have that committee create another committee. >> greg is right. this committee is
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manifestation of congress' inability to do what we pay it to do, make decisions. they couldn't decide so they gave it to committee. these are the three most liberal members of the senate. believe in central planning of the economy and that higher taxes on everybody. >> so you are saying you don't like the choice? >> max baucus is not a libera liberal. >> could you say they put the come in committee? i'm just asking. >> bob: if i could tell you that, you manhattan bound man, you? this is a select committee. very few committed in the congress. this is a select committee. i to repeat this. get it through your head. this is the result, the result of this committee is brought before the congress on mandtory vote up or down. >> andrea: congress is elected committee, let's not forget. let's see if the confidence changes among the american
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electorate. we have a poll. look at gallup poll out that shows the economic confidence is drastically deteriorating. it plunged to far worse than it was. not since march 2009. we're waiting for the republicans to make choices. looking at the situation right now. what should congress be doing to put american people mind at ease? >> dana: couple people, the three people named by reid to the super committee i wonder what the second prize was. i do not think this is a cakewalk. he chose good members but there are two things happening here from the right and the left. the right is nervous because of defense cuts. there are mandtory cuts in obamacare if they can't get to an agreement. so there is high motivation to get something done. consumer confidence has gone down. no president has been able to
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win with consumer confidence and unemployment numbers at this rate. that could change. one first thing, when you say what does congress need to do and the presidential candidate? get the presidential race underway. >> andrea: the most important thing is for the president to look like he is in control and he didn't do it get. if you were him would you advise him to call congress back? i know he can't call congress back. >> i don't want congress back because most of the problems are caused by congress. they're congenitally incapable -- >> andrea: forget the speech. he gave a speech. don't you think just to bring them back. >> should have exercised leadership. had he called congress back, he would have exercised leade leadership. but given stead he segueed on something we agree with, remorse and sorrow. that's a clever way to get the economy off the front page but it didn't work.
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>> bob: dana something that was important about the committee. the committee fails to do anything, you know what happens? there are automatic cuts and 50% will come out of defense, to make the right wing nuts go crazy. 50% comes out to make us left wing crazy. >> majority of congress or those voting on any day declare the word "emergency." that validates the automati automatic -- >> dana: what would congress do if they came back? >> greg: considering the fact it's ending the whole page program. they will take the pages out to lunch because it's the last chance. >> talk about a judge being a page yet? >> later. >> greg: asking congress to come back in is asking your mugger to come back because he forgot your watch. >> congress back in and do two things now. they could extend payroll tax deduction and put together infrastructure bank. two things they could do. if they get it back without
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inviting the tea party back, it's better. >> the issue with that is the democratic plans are temporary. they placate everything. no real long-term solutions unless you look at the ryan budget. >> andrea: we got to get out and get paid. coming um, we're just two days removed from iowa. we have the latest 2012 news. candidates' reaction to the downgrade. who is leading the hawk yea state next on "the five."
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2012 candidates waste nod time slamming on the downgrade and on president obama. now got to listen to 60 seconds of these people. >> the downgrade of the united states of america. that is one of many symptoms of indicators of the problems that the country has. we should downgrade him from the presidency. we need a better president if we are going to have a better america going forward. >> when the rating downgrade came out last week, where was president obama? did he rush to the microphone to give confidence to the american people? he got in the helicopter, he took off for the weekend. we didn't hear from the president. as a matter of fact, it was about 24 hours before we even heard a statement. it was three days before the president faced the camera and gave a statement. >> as i listen over the weekend to the spokes people for the president, it seems they would substitute the
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harry trueman the buck stops here with the new motto for the white house the buck stops somewhere else. >> bob: are they done yet? the one thing about the munchkins not one of them has a plan for getting the jobs back to the country, not one has an economic plan, plan to beat up on president obama. i wonder, where are, did you listen to these people? can you imagine them being president of the united states? >> dana: compared to what? >> bob: compared to one of the -- >> greg: i think president obama would be a great vice president for them. >> bob: that was one of the cheaps shots i have every heard. tell me, would you defend them? >> dana: they have work to do. if you look at if first clip from governor pawlenty and the sound isn't good and the backdrop doesn't look right. you think one of the reasons
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when you're president of the united states, incumbent and advantage, tough bells and whistles and it looks beautiful. the best advantage that these candidates have, not going to call them what you call them. >> bob: munchkins. >> dana: they are outsiders. they can throw stones. >> can't you argue it's the obligation of the insideer the president to have a plan? his plan is let me borrow another $2.4 trillion. let me do more of the same thing that got us in this mess in the same place. unemployment up. inflation up. borrowing up. that's his plan. >> andrea: can you articulate the president's plan? >> bob: yes, i can. the plan he put together with boehner. >> dana: that is not a plan that exists. >> bob: it doesn't exist why? because the tea party beat it. that's why. >> dana: congress didn't pass it. >> bob: he did a stimulus program, put a lot, 2 million people to work. if we had done another trillion i wish we would do because the deficit does not matter. but you guys convinced
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everybody in america it matters. you have wonder why the consumer confidence is down? they watch "the five." that would get mine down. >> if the president's heart and soul were in this, there would have been a proposal and talk about it on the oval office and gone around the country like ronald reagan did and got over -- gone over the head of member of congress and sold the proposal. he has no proposal. >> andrea: the best thing that candidates have are three words. sorry. four words. "i told you so." i mean we heard sarah palin say it. look, the candidates have plenty of material. this is going to be about the president. record. if you look at everything that he posed, it's what led us to the s&p downgrade. >> bob: please! there is no downgrade d we say it again. there is no downgrade. >> andrea: bob lost the fight. >> bob: i haven't. >> greg: the three candidates, and the thing that sticks out to me weapon you watch them talk is energy. of the three there, the only person that didn't put you to
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sleep is michele bachmann. >> bob: scared me. >> greg: she does. which is good. she should scare you. she does represent anger. it's interesting to see something. if you compare it to president obama, they criticize him for lack of action and lack of heart. he seems exhausted, tired of being president. here you have someone with the energy and it's refreshing. i don't think pawlenty can stand up to it. >> i know you don't like congresswoman bachmann but pickle up on what was said, who is more energetic at 1:30 afternoon or michele bachmann in the clip you saw? >> bob: i agree the president seemed like he was on valium. >> by the way, i don't dislike bachmann. i met her and she is a nice person but i don't think she
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would be a good president. talk about something that would happen today as we sit here. the polls are open in wisconsin to recall six member of the republicans. now the question is the difference that republican and democrats. the three of them lose today and you have even situation. i think it could be as much as four. but this will be the first real fight of the 2012. because it will check the rage you are talking about. what do the people on the ground tell you will happen in wisconsin? >> we can count two others. >> one of them because of a scandal, infidelity. but this is more important in
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the beltway than wisconsin, because it's not going to change the tort reform that governor walker passed nor collective bargaining law. >> i would say this. what is happening in wisconsin is a theme that will be bigger in the 2012 election. the message is leaders. message of greediness won't play well. >> greg: union leaders putting survival before survival of the state. daps $20 million. >> bob: keep in mind the governor of wisconsin is going to be recalled in january. there are petitions to do it. go wisconsin and badgers. coming up, riots taking to the streets of london. we bring you the latest. plus we will take a look to see if the chance of a similar situation breaking out stateside. right now on the table of "the five" when we leave. @
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i'm bret baier in washington. big action took place north of here on wall street. crazy day. up down and a huge surge at the end. the dow jones/industrials average finished ahead 430 points getting back over the 11 howe mark. the -- over the 11,000 mark. tonight on "special report," we tell you what the federal reserve did that kick started the furious finish on the stockton. president obama and senior government officials were present when the bodies of the american troops killed in afghanistan over the weekend returned home to the u.s. we have that story. new concerns over what the president's healthcare law will cost. new report states that the price tag may be $50 billion
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more per year. "special report" starts at 6:00 eastern in washington. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ >> in london, violent riots continue. people are attacked at ron dom in streets. prime minister david cameron recalled parliament in middle of august to address the unrest and 16,000 police have been dispatched to the streets. that's more police than they have in london. they are bricking them in to the area from around the city. prime minister cameron furious about what he will do.
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i a clear message to those people who are responsible for this wrongdoing and criminality. you will feel the full force of the law. >> let me step this up. police shot and killed they said someone was a drug dealer. and riots started in that neighborhood. it's spread throughout the city and now a class warfare and left versus right. we want what they have. andrea, you have cousins in london that gave you inside information on what is happening. >> my cousin patty sent pictures of the store owners we have. we bring them up. of the store owners this afternoon in london boarding up their shop because they expect more riots this evening. she said it's a beautiful neighborhood but nobody feels safe in london. she was told to pick up her little boy at the daycare early. she says look, it's real hot over there. a lot of people don't have
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jobs. there have been government cu cuts. liquor is chief. people are fired up and angry. >> on the note of liquor is cheap, robert, the left says it's the up at the of the ban banks. do you defend the lefty buddies? >> i don't defend this. they're out there taking example of the situation. i remember riots when i was a baby. it started as a cop beating up on a black man. underneath the surface here, a lot of cuts and the program cuts have gone to the poor. >> not true. >> it is true. >> at some point, at some point you can push people but so far, at some point they will break out. >> let's have greg have a. >> i said i didn't justify this. i said i would certainly
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justify the people in the streets who were protesting. >> you cannot ro mant size the violence when you have the shopkeeper -- go to the shopkeeper and tell them it's about the underprivileged. he will laugh in your face. he knows people looting. they hang out there. the bottom line, this is political correctness, curse of political correctness. fear of demanding good behavior allowed bad behavior to take hold no one wants to say you are a thug go to jail. they could have stopped this but they're not out of fear of appearing racist. >> is the killing of the drug dealer a pretext for that class warfare? >> never should have been shot by the cops number one. >> agreed fully. >> it's easy to say about the shopkeeper or the rest of this. i said from the beginning this is wrong. but the fact is the cut of the government of england gone more deeply. >> they're not.
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>> 100,000 people in the speech a month ago. >> trying to get free stereos. >> it shows what you think about poor people. >> not true, that's not fair. >> i never said they were poor. >> it's not fair. first of all, for example, you -- one of the reasons you had riots in london four months ago they suggested that maybe people should contribute a little bit more to this. they think it's okay to steal shoes from someone? >> are you yelling at me? >> yeah. i think it's unfair to say we're against people are poor. >> producers are telling us we have to switch gears? maybe we are not far from where we are now. philadelphia, the mayor ordered all of teenagers to be home at 9:00 p.m
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should he have the authority to do that? are things so bad in the third largest city in the united states of america that the police have to put people in their homes after dark? >> here is the deal. they are calling the events flash mobs, which basically kids, mobs. they're not flash mobs. >> do they dance in unison -- >> i wish dancing flash mobs would take over new york. that's my dream. >> they go in convenience stores or stores and they rob them. that is not a flash mob. that's violence. curfews make sense. they do not accept this behavior. we have become a civilization we lower behavior. >> they defend it and angry. so they go in and steal stuff that doesn't belong to them. because of the cities, bad financial decisions run in the ground they don't have a lot of money to protect the citizens.
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>> do you agree with the self-imposed curfew? >> i am still wounded by my attack from dana. i'll try to pick up the broken pieces of miff life and carry on. i don't defend it, because there is a libertarian issue here. i am for it. we can play the sound for it. i think the mayor has done a great job! >> if you are under 18 years old the curfew is now 9:00 p.m. on friday and saturday. if you're out causing problems and doing things you should not be doing. we will get you off the street. >> having been a judge where there were riots the police hate this. they hate having to make people go home. >> we hate having to pay for police to do this.
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♪ ♪ >> greg: weble to "the five." former vice president al gore finally blew a gasket at all places a communications seminar. what pushed the gloomy gas bag over the edge? well, he feels it's getting harder for chickp littles like himself to talk about climate change now that we all wiseed up. taste this wine.
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>> greg: wow! that was elegant. daps he won't be in mix company. >> did he say this or a rant from "red eye." >> greg: let me tell you. gore becomes a boy after i defeat, wants to take the ball, ie the earth and run home but he doesn't see it wasn't the skeptics who blocked the debate but the purveyors of panic like gore who exaggerated the threat and demonized anyone brave enough to queueion it. no wonder he is hotter than number on the graph. compare him to the deep green resistance and he appears almost sane. recent article, the greenies say that to save the earth, civilization must be destroyed vie will wantly. and replace it by a stone age lifestyle. now, i wouldn't be against this if the earth worms led by example.
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but somehow i don't think they will be embracing fred flintstone's way of living. sadly for al gore, you can't start your million dollar houseboat with your feet. andrea, is al gore a big baby? a big baby. >> i think it's hilarious that newsweek gave the queen of rage covered on michele bachmann after that. they are getting so angry the far left. enviros turn it to religion. they are less persuasive, particularly after climate get a. you look and you will go advocate like he is to have the government change the weather. you bet ver the research right. the spokesperson shouldn't a know forous fibber. hello. >> greg: bob, you look forlorn, sad, deflated. >> bob: i want to say about the attack on al gore. i would have said it but the producers wouldn't let me.
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i will say this. that was a little rant, that is for sure. that is more animated than al has been his entire career. for those people who really do believe these things that he called [bleep] he is right. the earth is getting warmer. 11 straight years of the higher temperatures. wait. >> before that it was hotter. 11 strait years it was hotter. >> excuse me. you of the flat earth society. i want to introduce you to galileo. you have to get over this. by the way there were a few e-mails from england. overwhelming the science. not a question. if people say there is no global warming they're full of -- bleep. >> who would think that al gore would advance his loopy cause. >> what is loopy. >> return to the paleo society. >> who would think we'd destroy society to save it. >> that's not what he said.
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>> two different people. crazy-crazys and just bitter and angry. >> the crazy-crazies, you have something in common with them and you don't realize it. caveman diet, it's probably good for you. >> something else he has in common, he's crazy. >> you bring up the last ten years about 1.5-degrees warmer than climate of '70s. so that means they say that it hasn't been this warm since 1910. that means we're still not back up to the 1910 level of heat. >> wrong. >> no -- they call them records. >> would they keep records for ten years? >> go back. the last 11 years. >> i'm quoting what you said. >> i said the last 11 years were the hottest on record. >> you said. >> since 1911. i didn't say since 1911. >> 1910. >> i'm talking about his love life. bob is talking about.
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>> listen, let's not mix apples and oranges, although it's not far, the apple doesn't far fall from the tre tree. >> do you think. >> i don't know why. >> we're not getting warmer, you think the earth is not get warmer? >> the temperature goes up and down every decade. >> talk about fred flintstone. >> i can't believe returning to the paleo civilization, the left thinks it will solve the problem. that is bad for everyone except bob. >> go grab, get roots and leaves and nuts, will you? >> bob still has a furry thong he can wear when returns to the paleo. >> what an image. >> i'll use it on you if i had it. >> more of "the five" coming up. time for a break.
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welcome back to "the five." back in november, shriver's staff gave the governor staff a parting gift. it was a t-shirt that read i survived maria, with the date 2007 and 2010. well, tmz obtained pictures of the former governor wearing that shirt except arnold amended at it little. take a look at bottom. 2007 is crossed out and written in 1977. that is the year they started dating. classy. i wonder do you think he is having a midlife crisis? doesn't he realize all of us like maria more than him?
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>> one who knows that this will show you what steroids do to your brain. >> 'roid rage. >> a friend of mine said they saw him in a bentley dealership so he is having a midlife crisis. if there is any doubt he should forget him, that proved it. >> why would he taunt her like that? knowing it would be on the front pages and the talk show? >> what do you think that is about? >> he's not fun for his intelligence. he was a body builder. >> still in good shape. >> the problem it's not the shirt. what is underneath. that is how you look at 40 years of working out, big blob. >> 40 years of steroids. >> then we have germany irons also this -- jeremy irons also saying if a hand puts a man on a woman's bottom, any woman worth her salt can deal with it. it's communication, can't we be friendly? what is going on in hollywood? >> if you say anything with a
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british accent it's fine. >> is that jeremy or from bob? >> i don't think we should jump on jeremy. it's his own personal thinking. >> how does it work out for you? >> you grabbed mine. what are you talking about? >> i never grabbed your bottom. that is so unfair. >> personal thinking will land him in rutgers island some weekend. >> we want to thank a special viewer i heard from last night. jim snow. tony snow's dad. tony snow was here at the fox news at the beginning with bob and white house press secretary for president bush who tragically passed away in july of 2008. >> jim, shout out the you, buddy. glad you're watching. we know you miss tony. we do, too. glad you're with us. >> he said bob would about remember him. i said bob has a better memory than you think. >> despite all the drugs. >> bob just doesn't remember what he had for lunch. >> that is it for us on "the five." e-mail us at
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