washington. >> gretchen: you got that in again. see you again, neighbor. >> bye. >> gretchen: log on for our after the show show. have a great day, everyone. bill: good morning, everyone! breaking news on the economy, what else, right? the jobs number is now out. the number of americans filing for first time unemployment benefits, 395,000. that is precisely 5000 fewer than expected. which doesn't say much for the millions who are now unemployed. good morning, everybody. we're going to find the silver lining, aren't we? >> alisyn: going to try. bill: somewhere in there as we move our way -- i'm bill hemmer. do you -- how you doing alisyn? >> alisyn: doing fine, i'm alisyn camarota, the dow plunged 525 points on wednesday. what does it look like today? >> bill: gerri willis, the jobs number, it's still a tough road out there.

>> it's still a tough road. four hundred thousand is a tipping point but i got to tell you if you have 395,000 people filing for unemployment claims in a week, that's not good news, they also revised last week's numbers. we've been at this level about 17, 18 weeks. does not bode well for employment. bill: they revised last week's number? because that was greater than 400,000. it went to what, gerri? >> i don't have that number off the top of my head. bill: gotcha. often times they revise the numbers they're worse off than initially, what is -- which is a great point to make. what is expected today, another day of dramamine? >> another day of dramamine. i have to tell you things have improved from this morning when the dow was down triple digits, now it looks like the open might not be as bad as expected, what's going on, big fears, society generale, down 30 percent as rumors swirled

through the marketplace they were having major problems. now, the bank came out said, not true, we're in fine shape, but in a marketplace like this, when rumors get started it's really difficult for institutions to fight back. now we're looking at all the banks in europe, we have weakness in banks in here, in the states, we're seeing that again. these banks, the financial sec to, leading the market lower, but today could be a little different. we're seeing those dow futures relax just a little bit here, come up just a little bit, so maybe it won't be as bad as it was. i got to tell you, a lot of this fear about europe, what's going on in europe with their debt, just as we have debt here, uncertainty in the u.s. could drive stocks down later in the day. bill: it is a tough time to watch this, frankly. we'll see it in 28 minutes, okay? and we'll see you on the willis report later today on fbn. >> thank you. bill: thank you gerri. alisyn: we have breaking news, speaking at this hour is britain's prime minister, at the house of commons, in front of parliament, and

he's vowing to bring rioters to justice after his country's worst unrest in decades. there's david cameron, addressing a recall session of parliament and saying that police have made 1200 arrests, and will continue going door to door, tracking down more suspects. this violence appears to be simmering down, nearly a week after a deadly police shooting sparked all these protests. those turned into riots and then spiralling out of control in london, and cities around england, four people died in the chaos, one victim's father is peaking for peace. >> last night, we lost three church members of our community. they were taken from us in a way that no father, mother, sister, brother, should have to endure. today, we stand here to plead with all the youth to remain calm for our communities, to stand united. alisyn: police say the 21-year-old yim and two

others died after a hit and run accident tuesday night. the suspect in that crime is in custody. bill: wow. we're also getting brand new information here in a developing matter off the coast of southern california, an amazing rescue with two marines, airlifted to safety after their f-18 fighter jets crashed into the pacific. now, the u.s. coast guard, spotting the marines during a search for that aircraft, both found conscious, flown to a nearby naval center, the coast guard saying the pilots used emergency life jacket whistles to direct the search helicopter to their location. an investigation into that crash is underway. but that is a good news story off the coast of san diego there. alisyn: it's going to be a major test for republicans who want to be president. the gop hopefuls, squaring off tonight in the first iowa presidential debate. fox news, washington examiner, and iowa republican party, teaming up to bring it to you, and it comes just two days before the crucial iowa straw poll.

fox's steve brown is live in ames, iowa. steve, does a good performance at the debate translate into a win at the straw poll? >> reporter: into a win? >> alisyn: yes. >> reporter: don't know, but it could mean a boost, and you can see they're setting up for the straw poll already. it takes about two days to get some of these displays, if you will, for the candidates ready to go. i have yet to find a republican activist in iowa who will shoot down ryan rhodes, director of the tea party convention, that a good straw poll debate performance will lead to 500 to 1000 additional straw polls. even the governor says that's a polt and certainly michelle bachmann has vaulted upwards in terms of polling numbers by performing well at least in the eyes of republican activists at the debates so far and a state party chairman says hey, a good performance at the debate, it certainly can't hurt. >> there's no question having the debate just 48 hours before iowans go to the polls, at the straw poll. it could have a huge impact.

if your candidate has a large and impressive performance, maybe that's a catalyst to get somebody off the coast and -- couch and say you know what, i will drive in and vote foro and will vote for this candidate. >> and folks interested in spending a saturday, spending time at the state party's biggest fund-raiser, the straw poll, will be tuned in to see what the candidates say before saturday. alisyn: we've been focused on ames, iowa, but there are things outside of ames as well. >> oh yeah. first we heard about rick perry, rick perry we knew was going to be speaking in south carolina on saturday, the day of the straw poll, next thing we find out, he's coming to iowa and will be here sunday after the straw poll, so already some attention has been diverted his way. then yesterday, the big announcement that sarah palin will be here on straw poll day, as a matter of fact, she's expected to be at the iowa state fair starting tomorrow, bringing her bus tour in. even the folks that aren't even candidates or not even candidates yet are making their way into iowa.

it's getting a little crowded out here. alisyn: it sour sounds like it. we're also going to have a debate on just what sarah palin is up there there today and this weekend. steve brown, thank you very much for the preview. fox news is the only place you can see the republicans on stage, it's cosponsored by the washington examiner and the iowa republican party, as i said, it is 9:00 p.m., eastern time tonight, be there or be square, get your dvr, we'll be watching. bill: forget the dvr, watch it live! we'll have a debate party. alisyn: i'll be over for that. bill: all right. new developments, alisyn, on who will fill the seat of former democratic congressman anthony weiner, a new poll out has the democrat david weipren leading republican bob turner by six points, that special election takes place next month and laura ingle is live on this story. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you. as we take a look at this political observers say this is turning into a surprising

race for the ninth congress at district and these new poll numbers show signs this could potentially be a pickup for the state's shrinking republican congressional delegation. now, we have the numbers once again to show you. democrat new york state assemblyman david wevment prin is holding on to a 48-42 percent lead over republican bob turner. the margin of error on this is 4.4%. this is pretty much a dead heat. this is turner's second run for the ninth congressional seat, he lost out to then- incumbent anthony weiner last year but now his campaign spokesman says the retired media executive has a real shot at winning, weprin's spokesman says they believe this promise to protect social security and medicare is resonating with voters, the district located partly in brooklyn and queens, both new york city suburbs have registration rolls showing four democrats to every one republican, the

election is slated for november 14. the seat is vacated after weiner resigned in june after becoming embroiled in nude photographs of him that were posted on social networking sites. we'll continue to monitor the situation. bill: bottom line is it's closer than people thought. we'll see how it turns out. alisyn: president obama is looking to go to a pair of pricey fund arizonaers, in new york at the ritz and a private home tonight, the price to dine with the president is nearly $36,000 a ticket. the obama campaign canceled ten fund-raisers during the debt limit talks so he's hope to go making up some ground. this will mark the fifth campaign event since he signed the debt deal into law august 2nd. bill: new fall out from wisconsin's elections, governor scott walker calling for unity after democrats failed to take control in the state senate from republicans. >> i think that's probably the big thing i took away not just from the elections

but from the campaigns themselves, people in this state said okay, that's it, the campaigns are over, thank god the ads are over, all the attacks, but what people want more than anything is for us to find a way to work together and that's what we're aiming to do. bill: in the aftermath of the vote on tuesday, some democrats have a different approach, one party official accusing a republican county clerk of tampering with the results of that election. >> we believe that kathy nick ops, a wakashau republican, former staffer for assembly republicans has shown gross incompetence and maybe more in the supreme court election is at it again, we believe there needs to be an investigation or a very good explanation into what she's doing in this election. bill: the head of the wisconsin democratic party admits the claims went too far. no full apology but saying they went too far. so the election is next week

for the two other seats don't mean much. they thought they would but after the results on tuesday, they don't. alisyn: politics and the stock market, those are a few of the subjects we're following on "america's newsroom". coming up, a new movie about usama bin laden's death is running into trouble from lawmakers. why they're demanding answers from the white house. bill: the fight night in iowa. what can we expect from all these folks on stage? we'll get a preview. alisyn: a stripper, her sexonder and their half brother, arrested after the man hunt for the so-called doherty gang finally came to its dramatic end. >> the guys came running out, a bunch of people were behind me on their phones so right away, we figured that it's got to be one of the fugitives from the car wreck or something, and so -- and there were no officers after him, so right away we were like maybe we should go after him.

alisyn: there's new reaction this morning to a controversial movie about the death of bin laden o'clock the filmmaker is releasing a statement saying the project has been in the work phos years and that the movie will represent a, quote, american triumph, both heroic and nonpartisan, but new york congressman peter king raised a red flag about the project, asking if the obama administration has leaked classified information about the bin laden raid to the filmmaker.

the administration denies that. the movie is slated for release just a few weeks before the presidential election. we're going to have much more on this topic a bit later in our program. bill: so you wonder what will be the message of tonight's debate? iowa? here is one hint: the candidates have been on the trail with a singular focus, blasting president obama, and the polices of his administration. michelle bachmann was on that yesterday: >> what's really been missing in washington is somebody who has the political will to do what has to be done. i'm not interested in going and doing safe things to make sure i get two terms as president. i want to go in and be bold and new and different and make these things happen so we turn the country around. bill: she was a surprise in her performance in new hampshire the last time out. expectations are high for bachmann. there will be eight men and will on stage.

ryan prebus is not one of them but is the chair of the republican national committee and will be at the debate later tonight. how you doing, ryan, good morning. >> doing great, bill, hope you're doing well, too. bill: i'm doing fine, thank you. what is the expectation for tonight? >> well, i think the expectation is that it's really the green flag going down and starting this very serious debate on how we are going to make sure that we put america back on track, make barack obama a 1-item president. and i will agree with what the congresswoman has just said. you know, i think people are tired of the show ponies in washington like our president who say one thing and do another, and you know, he hasn't fulfilled so much of his promises. it would take me five minutes to go through it. but the debt, the decifit, jamming government-run health care down our throats, loss of jobs, and really, just one speech after the next that's done little. bill: you mentioned the debt. all these candidates do not agree on the same solution, and you wonder where you're

going to find the disagreement tonight on that topic, where. >> well, for one thing on the debt, as a base, plo plotilis facts called barack obama the debt king of all the united states presidents but where we take it, we start getting serious about tough choices in this country. instead of vilifying a person like paul ryan who literally put his neck on the line and so did so many republicans in congress to try to come up with an intelligent, articulate way to address our debt issues in this country and saving medicare for all people in this country, instead the democrats vilified these guys and then you've got the president coming out in a speech on monday after vilifying ry yoon and saying you know what, maybe we ought to look at this long term medicare debt we're going to be facing to tackle these problems. you know, that's where we need to go, we need to look at all options. bill: we will see how that is relayed later tonight. i mentioned michelle

bachmann, because she was a newcomer in the last debate in new hampshire and did well and a lot of people frankly have high expectations for her in iowa jon hauntsman of utah will get his first introduction to the nation later tonight. i think about ron paul, he's been doing well in the polling in iowa. not so well nationally. but in iowa, decent. mitt romney, is back after finishing number two in 2008, to mike huckabee. now, these candidates tonight, do they have a challenge to be tough on one another, to show that they are strong candidates for not just iowans but for the rest of the country to see? >> well, you know, here's what i think. i don't think they necessarily have to be tough on one another, but i do think that they're going to try to distinguish themselves individually in how they might be better candidates running up against barack obama. i think they're going to focus in on the one person in this country that's taken our country into the ditch, and i think it's going to be

up to them to articulate their individual message to americans as to how, number one, how we got into this mess in the first place and number two, how they would help drive the car out of the ditch that this president put it in. so i think they distinguish themselves by analyzing where we've come and why we've come here and how they would be better candidates and better suited to defeat this president and save america. bill: there's a temptation to go head to head with others on the stage and sometimes they defer to that and sometimes they back away from that, so that in itself holds a lot of drama for later tonight. reince, thank you. travel well to iowa. we'll speak again, okay? >> hey, looking forward to it, thank you bill. bill: you're welcome. where will you be tonight at 9:00 eastern time? this is the only place to see it, cosponsored by the washington examiner and republican presidential -- and the iowa republican party. alisyn: there are new developments in the legal

fight over arizona's controversial immigration law. the state's governor now appealing to the highest court in the nation. bill: also this nationwide hunt for three siblings nicknamed the dockerty gang, they've been on the run for days. what happened when they were left with no place to hide? >> he turned his back on me and i saw that i had a chance and i grabbed him, he put up a fight, he flung around and i grabbed him again and yanked him down to the ground and he just said i give up.

alisyn: we have an update for you now on that crazy nationwide man hunt that came to a screeching halt for those three siblings on the run from the police. they crashed on a colorado highway. you see the aftermath there.

here are the dockerty's new mag shots, brothers brian, dylan, lee grace, all sought for violent crimes in florida and georgia and even after their car flipped, they still didn't stop running, it took a braveup ofby standers to bring them down. >> we started talking, he turned around, pointed his fingers at us like he had a gun, told us to get back, once we realized he didn't have a gun t. kind of scared us a bit, we didn't know what he had, so once we realized what he had, he started getting in that thick brush and we knew if he got too far in there, we'd probably lose them. alisyn: alicia acuna, what a run they had! they vowed to go down without a fight and they proved true to their word. what happened? >> >> reporter: exactly alisyn. the guy that theby standers were talking about, that was ryan, he took off and left the siblings in that crashed car. while he was being chased down, his sister, lee grace, managed to get herself out of that car and she made a

run for it, too, and the colorado state patrol tells us that she also was confronted by an officer, and when confronted she tried to shoot him but that officer shot her in the leg. all siblings were treated at a regional medical center nearby. authorities say they all had nonlife-threatening injuries, lee grace, her brothers dill yoon and -- dylan and ryan were booked into the public jail in colorado. the fbi warned that these three were probably going to be heavily armed. when cops got on the scene and were able to search that car they found out these sib -- siblingings had a lot more weapons inside. alisyn: what a story. they obviously have long rap sheets. what happens to them now? >> reporter: we talked to the district attorney's office in pain low county and they -- pueblo county and the three will remain in colorado jail and we have video of them arriving at the jail, for the shootout and chase, the three are facing charges for first degree assault on a police officer but the fbi is

reminding us they are also accused of florida of shooting at an officer, bank robbery in georgia, add that to other federal offenses they could be facing, so the legal troubles are really just beginning, alisyn, and the fbi says they face multiple charges in multiple jurisdictions and right now they're still trying to figure that out. alisyn: we know the police in many states are breathing a sigh of relief. thank you very much for the update. bill: sitting here every day, right, won ring when they're going to get these guys, pictures have been out on tv, across the country. alisyn: they had a long run. bill: finally they're nabbed. we are only moments away from the opening bell but you can't wait for that, can you america? also steve forks on the state of our economy. what is his plan for driving that car out of the ditch? forbes on deck. alisyn: a critical test for the republican presidential hopeful, what will one of the moderators ask of them tonight? we'll find out when we ask him.

alisyn: oh, what a week for your retirement money. we are seconds away from the -- there it is, the opening bell on wall street. what will be next -- what will the next 7-8 hours hold? we've seen historic point swings, the dow plunged 520 points yesterday. steve forbes, chairman and editor in chief of forbes media joins me now. hi steve. >> good to be with you alisyn, how are you? >> alisyn: i'm okay, i'm trying to hold on for this wild ride, because yesterday obviously the dow went down 520 points, but the day before it had this 600-point rally. what is going on with the market? >> well, what's going on is reflecting the sheer absolute uncertainty about what's happening to the economy, what the europeans are doing about sovereign debt, the health of their own banks, and the federal reserve making it clear they're going to continue to trash the dollar. what you -- when you have that you get a flight to commodities like gold and

you have people sitting on the sidelines and markets go down when people don't know what lies ahead or feel they don't know what lies ahead. >> it's up 114 as you speak. that's headed in the right direction. what can the fed do in the next week or months to help turn this around? >> do what it should have done in the first place and that is a strong and stable dollar policy instead of trying to cheapen the dollar, thinking that somehow helps the economy. we've never in our history have had an economy that has a sustained recovery when the dollar is being knocked down. we should have learned that from the 1970s, so it's central banking 101, preserve the value of your evenssy -- currency. alisyn: how do you do that? >> you do it by not printing so much of it, linking to formally and informally to something like gold which retains its value over time. we did this for 180 years. this isn't inventing something new. you do that, you do it with credibility you'll start to see capital come back to the united states, private

capital which is now fleeing this country, more productive investment, instead of all this speculation in gold coins, commodities, currencies, which don't grow the economy. alisyn: do you think we're going to see another round of treasury bond purchases? >> i think the federal reserve one way or the other will be into that, probably longer term maturities to try to knock down interest rates even more and not realize what the fed is doing to subsidize government debt, making it very easy for big companies to get cheap credit, but smaller businesses and to consumers, they're left behind the most. alisyn: what's happening in europe today, we understand that france might have its debt downgraded. how does everything that's going on in europe affect us here? >> well, within items of banks, we're all linked together. if one of their major institutions gets in trouble, all the banks in the u.s. have relationships with them, that creates uncertainty and we have bank panic. we saw this in 2008.

so the french went out of their way yesterday to assure their banks are okay, even if the government gets downgraded in terms of credit rating, it's no surprise. the idea that france would be more credit worthy than the united states is preposterous. at least we should be on the same level. alisyn: so steve, if you were in charge, if you were president today, what would you do? >> first thing i'd do is tell the federal reserve change or we're going to get a new chairman, stabilize the dollar, and then put in congress a proposal to enact the flat tax, simplify the tax code with a low rate and generous exemptions. you do those two things, low tax rates, stable dollar, you'll start to see the markets and the economy turn around, and then the other thing i'd do is repeal omabacare and start all over again. alisyn: steve forbes, you make it sound simple! >> it is, actually. al thank you for joining us. >> thank you. bill: he doesn't waiver, every time he comes on.

it's what he believes. maybe at some point, we try it. 9:30 in new york. you can expect that stock market and cup i would economy to be number one on the top of the agenda later tonight, eight presidential candidates going head to head during fox's prime time debate in iowa. >> i think he's in over his head and the direction he will take us is simply wrong for america. almost every action he has taken has made it harder for entrepreneurs and businesses to expand employment or to grow. bill: mitt romney says we're on the wrong track, and byron york will be a panelist at the fox news iowa debate, he's also the chief political correspondent of the washington examiner. how you doing? good morning to you. >> hi bill, good to be here. bill: i want to find out what you're most curious about in a moment. what's the game plan for mitt romney, showing he finished second in iowa in 2008, a big disappointment in his campaign, after spending a lot of time in that state 2 1/2 years ago, and this time, coming to the state of iowa only about a

day ago? >> reporter: his plans for iowa are really in flux. you're right, he spent a ton of money in iowa in 2008 and 20 on -- in 2007 and 2008, won the straw poll and lost the caucus so this time he said i'm not going to do that so after this debate tonight he's going to be in new hampshire on saturday when the straw poll takes place, but now with all the talk about rick perry, romney is reconsidering, saying he can't let perry get too far ahead, so we may see more of romney in iowa in the coming months. bill: how does he explain health care in massachusetts? is he still a ripe target for the other seven on stage? how does he explain his tax plan in massachusetts? is that a ripe target? >> well, the interesting thing about the sound bite you just played is classic candidate bashing president obama. the question tonight, we've all heard him do that -- the question tonight is are they going to start criticizing each other, are they going

to confront each other, are they going to try to differentiate themselves from the other candidates. they haven't done that so far but it's a pressure-filled night because the straw poll is 48 hours after the debate. bill: when it comes to confronting, that's what's been considered a huge missed opportunity for tim pawlenty, the last time during the debate in new hampshire, when asked about mitt romney's record, and he deferred, and many people like yourself believe to this point that hurt tim pawlenty and his chances. does it still? >> have i heard it all over iowa, people saying that really was a problem because he had gone on fox news sunday and talked to chris wallace on a sunday and he referred to the health care plan as obamneycare and then when he had a chance to do it face to face, he backed off and a lot of people noticed that. bill: "the washington post" describes mitt romney as more confident and more disciplined. is that a significant change

for him? >> well, he's always been pretty confident in this one. he had quite an operation. but i think in -- in 200 # and '08. the difference now is he's not throwing as much money around as he did, he's trying to have a leaner and meaner organization with a more focused plan. one of his advisers told me, when i asked him is he going to do something in iowa from last time, he said you may remember, we didn't win the nomination. yes, we're going to do things different this time. bill: now to the initial question, byron, what are you most curious to learn tonight? >> well, it was what i just mentioned, which is are they going to start attacking each other, are they going to criticize each other, try to distinguish themselves from each other, or are they just going to stick with their attacks on president obama. i think that's going to make a huge impression on the people who are going to vote a few hours later in the straw poll. bill: byron, thanks, we'll be watching, okay? byron york, there in iowa. thank you. >> you got it. bill: what do you think at

home? what topic do you want to hear the most about tonight? log on, foxnews.com/ "america's newsroom", and here are the options today. the debt, jobs, health care, taxes, or other. alisyn: i'm going to bet -- i'm not going to say it out loud. bill: you figure the economy is topic number one but what we tried to do is break down the economy in three or four different categories and get more specific. alisyn: i still have an idea. bill: vote right now, we'll bring you that and perhaps you'll have an impact on folks like chris wallace and byron york. alisyn: he died on duty gone wrong, brian terry, murdered by one of mexico's drug cartels. why? >> is the left leaving

barack obama? some suggest a buyer's remorse. a terrific panel tackles that, next.

bill: new this morning out of arizona the governor bringing her immigration fight to the u.s. supreme court, jan brewer filing an appeal to overturn the recent immigration law, her lawyers argue that arizona bears the brunt of the nation's border enforcement problems, the first appeal rejected by the ninth circuit court of appeals back in april. alisyn: a new purpose for a former u.s. navy destroy he, the 563-foot ship is the longest vessel to ever be sunk as an artificial reef in the atlantic ocean. here's video of it going down intentionally, mind you, right off the coast of philadelphia, the ship was retired back in 2003 after 26 years of service to the u.s. navy. it will join other man-made items at the seafloor,

including new york city's subway cars, those reefs create habitats for sealife. bill: you can have an idea to go diving on the weekend, right? check it out. mounting challenges from the white house, coming from democrats. some on the left now suggesting this week that hillary clinton would have been a better option for the white house. and our new fox polling shows that among independents, 57 percent would vote for someone else if elections were held today, 33 percent say they would vote to reelect president obama. christopher han is former aid to senator chuck schumer and brad blakeman is a former adviser to president george w. bush. good morning. >> good morning. bill: is the love fest over? >> we wouldn't be democrats if we didn't complain. will rodgers once said i don't belong to an org need party, i'm a democrat, and that has been our tragic flaw in this country for the

last 40 years or so. democrats are quick to criticize each other and quick to say well, what if we would have picked this one or that one. >> bill: i think you can take it a step deeper, chris, and that is this, do they have reason to complain? >> there's always reason to complain about any elected official on either side of the aisle. democrats are just better at complaining. now, do i think there are people in the party who feel that president obama has not been true to his liberal leanings that they thought of? i mean, republicans accused him of being a socialist and democrats complain he's a conservative so there's a real mix, but i think at the end of the day the democratic party is so afraid of what would happen if the tea party had all branches of government that they will not only support president obama but vigorously support him. bill: brad, that may be the case on the left but i think it is frankly stunning to see how many voices have emerged this week with their criticism from the left of this white house. now, why is that happen something. >> i think it's happening, bill, because they've had a

failure of leadership. you know, back in the senate and house, believe it or not, i have democratic friends, and they confide in me in saying how disappointed they are that the hope and change this president promised and his leadership hasn't been delivered to them and their base is disillusioned, i call them lap dog democrats and they call the supporters on the right the tea party people but they have just as much problems with their base as we have with our base at the core of the party, so they are disillusioned, they have every right to be because the president hasn't delivered for them or for the country. >> norah wrote faced with a country keen fog reassurance and reinvention obama seems at a loss regarding his political skills, he turns out to be the odd case of a pragmatist who can't learn from his mistakes and adapt. chris, at a loss? >> it's a tough criticism, and i think that's what a

lot of people on the left feel based on what happened over the last year or so since the republicans came into power here in the house of representatives. they feel that the president has given too much. i felt that the first stimulus was too small and he gave in too much on it. bill: so you want to spend more? >> i would have spent $3 trillion on that. bill: spoken like a true democrat! >> i got you, chris. >> we thought the stimulus was going to repave every street in america in the first place! brad, would you spend $3 trillion today? >> hell no i wouldn't! and i got news for you, even by the president's own been standards, bill, we all know he promised the american people that the $800 billion stimulus was passed, national unemployment would not exceed 8 percent. guess what? it's still hovering at 10 percent, it's never hit below 8 percent since he's been president, and in the inner cities, we supported you guys the most, it's 20 percent. >> brad, i love you, but 350 million of that stimulus was tax cuts and tax cuts

never paved the roads in this country and they never will. >> that pales in comparison to the overall cost of this bill, you know that. >> when you look at polling today and the concern there is about our $14 trillion debt and decifit, why are you still thinking about spending trlings of dollars? >> because you know what? >> bill: where does that get you? >> the bigger number in the poll is jobs. and the decifit, while it is a problem, and we should be addressing it, dealing with that right now should not be our first priority. we should be finding ways to put people back to work and the way to do that -- >> bill: so you're going to add more taxpayer dollars. >> government doesn't create jobs. government does not create one job. >> brad, it's -- it creates jobs for americans. >> get off their backs! >> brad -- >> get off their back. lower taxes. reduce regulation. give the power to the entrepreneurial spirit of the private citizen, and every time a dollar changes hands among the private sector is what makes money,

not the government perpetuating itself. >> taxes have never been lower. where are the jobs? >> bill: one more information i want to point out to viewers, fox news polling yesterday, i mentioned independents, the approval rating among independents in america today is only 31 percent. >> horrible. >> bill: the disapproval is at 55 percent and those folks decide election, whether or not the left is happy. >> they sure do. bill: gentlemen, thank you, brad, chris, thank you. later tonight, republicans who want the chance to runs against president obama debate in iowa. don't miss this. we're asking you what topic do you want to hear the most about tonight, fox news.com/"america's newsroom", vote now. the options are, ali? >> alisyn: debt, jobs, health care, taxes, or other. we'll bring you the results. later on. bill, if you were the moderator, what's the question you'd ask? >> bill: jobs. alisyn: i'd have to agree with you. binbill: bill but we don't mean

to influence the vote now, because i don't know what they're going to say. alisyn: we're not trying to steer the witness here! we want to hear what you have. bill: lead the witness? vote now on our website. alisyn: meanwhile we have to give you an update on this story, that border patrol agent murdered in cold blood, his family looking to bring those responsible to justice but did the justice department make it harder to do that. bill: sarah palin's bus is gassed up and wait until you hear where she's headed now.

bill: he's got a black belt, a former kgb agent and scuba diver and archeologist to

the resume of vladimir putin. the former president, current prime minister of russia, put on the wet suit, showed off his scuba diving skills, collecting artifacts from the bottom of the black seas, he emerged with an urn. who did not plant that in the kremlin! >> alisyn: i guess -- >> bill: if you see it, leave it. alisyn: if you're vladimir putin, i guess you can. controversial developments in the death of the border patrol agent brian terry, his murder linked to a gun trafficking program from the feds called operation fast and furious. arizona's u.s. attorney is trying to block his family from getting crime victim status. what does that mean exactly? fox's william la jeunesse is live in los angeles. what does it mean william? >> reporter: it means the family, al sip, has the right to speak at the sentencing of the man who allegedly bought the gun that killed their son. you'd expect the defense to

object to that but experts say it's almost unheard of -- unheard of from the prosecutor to, raising questions as to why in this case. >> i just was flabbergasted. i didn't believe it at first. >> brian terry died in a shootout near the mexican border, his family wants those responsible brought to justice from the man who allegedly fired the gun to the one who bought it. >> our number one goal is to pursue the prosecution of all the killers of brian. >> reporter: but in a surprise move this week arizona's u.s. attorney opposed a routine motion to list the terry family as a crime victim. >> it's mystifying to see the government try to deny the family of this fallen hero the basic respect and compassion they are entitled to as crime victims. >> in a motion u.s. attorney dennis burg says the family was not directly or proximately harmed by the illegal purchase of the murder help -- weapon, that the real victim is not any particular person, but

society in general, yet, earlier this year burke suggested the opposite. >> that gun is going to be down in mexico, sometimes within 24 hours, to be used by drug cartet -- cartels. >> some believe burke has a conflict because he directed the operation that led to terry's death. >> you have to wonder whether the government's efforts to deny the families status as crime victims is part of a strategy to avoid legal responsibility for some of the tragic mistakes of operation fast and furious. >> the status doesn't general jeopardize the federal case, it could enhance it, but the decision is up to a judge. no comment from burke. alisyn: we know how important those victim impact statements are. they're often just healing for the victims as well. thank you for the update william. bill: all right. where to now, america? in a moment here, we're watching the markets to see which way we go, what does

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bill: 10:00 here in new york, and we are 11 hour away to a pivotal event for the battle of the oval office in 2012. candidates for the republican nomination set to square off on that stage later tonight, iowa, and that debate could shape this weekend's republican straw poll. brand new hour of "america's newsroom." thanks for spending time here. i'm bill hemmer. morning, how you doing, camarota? alisyn: doing well, hemmer, thank you. i'm al sin camarota. gathering in the city of ames, iowa, it will be a political

sparring match be, it's, of course, sponsored by fox news and the iowa republican party. bill: one of the moderators tonight, chris wallace. good morning to you. what have you picked up on there in iowa? what is the buzz that the rest of the country needs to know? >> reporter: well, you know, i think it's what the rest of the country feels as well which is genuine curiosity about these eight candidates. a lot of them are not particularly known quantities, and people have their favorites or not, but a lot of them haven't been through much in this campaign yet. mitt romney, clearly, the front runner but not a terribly strong front runner, not with a committed group behind him. michele bachmann is getting a lot of buzz, perhaps the most here in iowa as around the country, but i think, again, people have as many questions as anything about her. so i think there's a lot of curiosity, and they want to see them in action in this debate. bill: so what are you curious to

learn? and how do you get them off their talking points? >> reporter: well, that's a good question. i'm kind of hoping that they'll get each other off the talking points. i mean, if there were two central storylines, and i'm going to kind of go back on what i just said, one is mitt romney. he is the front runner, but he has been able to do it remarkably so far, for six months, by flying under the radar. he leads in the polls, he leads in fund raising, but he really has been able to stay away, not engage with the other candidates. i very much expect them to go after him tonight because they've goat to try to knock him -- got to try to knock him off his perch, and it'll be interesting to see how they go after him and how he responds the that. and then the other big story, i think, clearly s pawlenty and bachmann. two minnesota politicians, social conservatives, tea partiers. probably only one ticket not out of here, but out of the iowa caucuses in february for the two of them. and i think pawlenty at this point trails bachmann.

he's got to try to rough her up a little bit rhetorically, and that'll be interesting to see how they play against each other. belle bill it's -- bill: it's going to be an interesting night and very much looking forward to it. on saturday is the ames straw poll. a lot is made of this in iowa, but there's only a small percentage of voters who even take part in it. how would you gauge the significance, chris? >> reporter: well, over the years sometimes it seems to have made a difference, sometimes it hasn't. four years ago mitt romney won convincingly in the straw poll and proceeded after spending $10 million in iowa to lose to mike huckabee in the caucus. so, you know, sometimes it matters. george bush in 2000, bob dole in 1996 won the straw poll, won the caucus, won the nomination. more often than not the person who wins the straw poll doesn't win the caucus or the nomination. and i think one thing you can't lose sight of, there are only about 10,000 people who are going to vote here.

so, you know, first place could be 4,000 votes and third place could be a couple of hundred votes behind that. you really ask yourself, why are we making such a big keel -- deal of this? the answer is, i don't know, but we, the entire media, will make a big deal out of it. bill: chris, thank you. best of luck to you and your team. >> reporter: me too. bill: chris wallace live in iowa, only on fox that debate later tonight hosted by bret baier, sponsored by fox news, washington examiner, iowa republican party. live in ames, 9:00 eastern time here on on the fox news channel. alisyn: rick perry will not be on the stage. he has not yet declared himself a candidate, but that's not stopping ron paul from taking aim at him. here's what the texas congressman said during a campaign event in mason city, iowa. >> you know, he's part of the status quo. i don't know of a view that he has that is different than the previous administration's, and

his record as a governor does not show him as a standout, as actually being a conservative. he, actually, was the chairman for al gore at one time not too many years ago. so i don't think that's going to hurt us. alisyn: ron paul went on the say that he feels that a perry candidacy would help motivate his own supporters to show up to the poll. bill: also, everybody needs a little bit of time away, right? but today the president's taking heat for the timing of his summer getaway. president obama saying he will not rest until everyone looking for a job can find a job, and then hours later the white house announcing a nine-day vacation from the oval office on martha's vineyard. >> you have to ask yourself, shouldn't the political leadership of the country do something? um, i'm respectful of the fact that august vacations are sort of sacrosanct, but i'm also very aware that if we have three or four more weeks of this kind of decay, they're going to come back in september to a country that is in very, very dangerous

condition. bill: and newt gingrich from greta last night, former speaker of the house. he will be on stage later tonight. here is the former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, also a white house hopeful on stage tonight. >> i know everybody deserves a vacation, but the president should be in washington, should be working to get this economy going again, and he should begin by admitting that a lot of the things he did in his first two and a half years have not worked, have hurt this economy. bill: the president's trip coming after a volatile week on wall street. critics say he should cut that trip short and get back to business. romney was on with sean hannity last night. alisyn: tonight's debate will be the first for jon huntsman. he says that president obama, his former boss, has run out of ideas to turn america around. >> let's face the facts. for the first time in the history of this great country, we're about to pass down the united states of america less good, less productive, less competitive than the country we got.

and that is unacceptable. this is a country that has always passed up to the next generation, never down. and for the first time that's about to happen. alisyn: for complete coverage of the debate, you know where to go right now, and that's foxnews.com/politics. lots of stuff there. the congressional supercommittee that you've heard so much about, the one created by the debt ceiling deal s taking shape today. leaders on capitol hill have now named nine out of the 12 committee members who will need to find at least one and a half trillion dollars in budget cuts. fox's mike emanuel is live in washington. so, mike, we're still waiting to hear who some of these supercommittee members are. what do we know? >> reporter: well, all eyes are on house democratic leader nancy pelosi to see what her three picks will be to the supercommittee. we know the nine others. let's take a look at the three senate democrats who will be on this supercommittee. a senior group in terms of 77

years of united states senate experience. you've got john kerry, max baucus and, of course, patty murray. murray is being chosen to be the co-chair of this overall committee, so that is what it looks like in terms of senate democrats. at the white house, spokesman jay carney says the president looks forward to engaging with all members of the supercommittee. take a listen. >> as you know, the committee hasn't formed yet, in fact, not all the members have even been named, although we're getting there. but the president will, as he said, have very specific ideas about where he thinks, you know, the committee could come together in a balanced way to significantly reduce the deficit. >> reporter: and then, of course, will be the challenge, a very big job for the supercommittee, to come up with about a trillion and a half dollars in the spending cuts by thanksgiving or else very serious across-the-board cuts go into place. alisyn: okay. we do now know who the six republicans on the committee will be.

tell us about them. >> yeah, it's interesting n. the house of representatives you've got three republicans who are very close to speaker john boehner, two committee chairmen in jeff hensarling, dave camp and fred upton from michigan and then jeb hensarling from texas. in the senate you've got senator jon kyl who is the second ranking in terms of senate republican leadership, pat toomey who is new to the united states senate but is known as a fiscal hawk and then rob portman who once served as president george w. bush's office of management and budget director. before the picks were made, senator mitch mcconnell gave us a little bit of insight into his thinking. take a listen. >> i'm approaching it with a desire to get an outcome and an understanding that the perfect solution from my point of view is not going to emerge in a government that my party only controls one-third of. so that's the way i'm approaching it, and i'm not going to make any announcements

today, but i'm very close the naming my three, and these will be people that i have trust and confidence in. >> reporter: so we wait for the three house democrats and then this group of 12 will get to work and, obviously, here in washington there's a lot of concern about potential gridlock, but the challenge will be trying to find some kind of common ground to come up with some sort of spending cuts as part of this overall debt deal. alisyn: yeah. these 12 sure have their work cut out for them. thanks for telling us about them, mike. bill: we'll continue to monitor what's coming out of iowa, and we want to know what you think at home. what topic do you want to hear most about tonight? in 30 minutes we have more than 2,000 votes at foxnews.com/"america's newsroom." here are the options, the debt, jobs, health care, taxes or other. right now 46% want to hear about the debt. alisyn: ah, that's interesting. bill: and number two is jobs. so they go one and two right now at foxnews.com/"america's

newsroom." alisyn: people are obviously engaged since we are getting that amount of responsibilities in such -- respondents in such a short amount of time. bill: lines are open o. so what's sarah palin up to? guess where she plans to go next, huh? good question. alisyn: and deadly violence e represents on the streets of london, why they're looking to an american city now for helping to control the violent gangs. bill: also, she vanished saturday, and this morning there is a possible new lead in the search for 3-year-old breeann rodriguez. >> it's something we never thought could happen. >> most of the time i was outside with her. at that time i was cooking, and that happened. ♪ and so the conversation turned ♪

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bill: new evidence this morning in the search for missing 3-year-old breeann rodriguez. she disappeared last saturday while riding her bike outside of her home in southern missouri. police picked up this latest clue about two miles away. her parents say they are optimistic that police will find her and bring her home soon. >> i feel like anytime they're going to come and tell me that they've found her. >> i feel somebody's taking care of my daughter, and they're just scared the turn her in. bill: there's a $45,000 reward in that case, and the fbi is asking anyone with information, call the number on your screen right now. 314-791-1205. you talked to the father

yesterday. broken up. alisyn: yes, they really are. let's hope something happens today for a break in this case. well, she say she's not a candidate for the gop presidential nomination yet, but sarah palin's tour bus is heading for iowa. she says she's accepting an invitation to meet folks at the iowa state fair in des moines. that's just 30 miles up the road from ames, iowa. that, of course, is where a -- eight republican white house hopefuls face off only hours from now. so what is sarah palin thinking? mary katherine hamm, doug schoen, both fox news contributors. welcome to pote of you. >> thank you very much. alisyn: what is sarah palin up to? [laughter] >> the trick is that none of us know. and i think that's the way she likes it. she likes the national media sort of following her every move, checking it out, and i'm not sure she has a specific

plan. she says she's not going to decide until late august. because she has so much energy around her, she can wait until super late and not pay the price that other people would for not having organized before that point, so she's got that prerogative. she wants to go where the party is, and that's where it is this weekend. alisyn: doug, this seems like a last minute decision on the part of sarah palin because no one was expecting her in iowa before labor day, that was the first time she had a scheduled event there, labor day weekend. what do you think is happening? >> i hi this is about keeping the brand -- i think this is about keeping the brand relevant. she has made a series of last minute decision about her schedule, most of her appearances have not been well thought out, well planned or well advanced, and i think she's keeping her brand relevant. she is a much in demand speaker and author. i think this plays into this. there's no evidence she's moving forward with a presidential campaign, and it's, frankly, getting a little late in the calendar for her to run. alisyn: what do you think about that, mary katherine?

has she ruled out a run, or do you think she's still mulling it over? >> i don't know. the amount of energy that she brings, she could jump in far later. of course, there are going to be legal deadlines for her to hit, but i think she certainly wants to be part of the conversation. if there's a party for conservatives, she wants to be at it. so she's going to bring a bunch of people and energy, and a couple other candidates might get a little ill that she's stealing some of it away. but i think all in all especially for something as early as the ames straw poll, she's just ing whering people out. alisyn: well, doug, she wants to be part of the party, but does she risk being seen as a party crasher? >> well, that's exactly right. it's one thing to be part of a party, it's another thing to be part of an election campaign, and so far she's done a better job of party crashing than party be building. and i guess from where i sit there's nobody who's more compelling on the american scene, but with rick perry probably getting in this weekend and michele bachmann running

probably better than expected, there's not a lot of room on the right for sarah palin should she make a late decision to get in the race. alisyn: mary katherine, what do you think? how do you think the other gop contenders respond to her showing up? >> i think doug's right, the landscape is getting more difficult because of perry and bachmann. as far as the candidates on the stage, everybody will be very kind. they think she's good energy for the party. i'm sure there might be some deep down thoughts about how they wish she wasn't taking some of the limelight away, but that is a risk to say that. alisyn: and, doug, you know, obviously, you've made the point she wants to stay relevant, how does she? she is such a popular figure in politics, she does, obviously, get people engaged. so if she doesn't get into the race, what does she do for relevance? >> well, i think it's one thing to run, it's another thing to be visible and use her brand creatively as she has. and if she endorses anybody or just appears as she's going to do in iowa, she makes a big

stir, she commands attention. and i think she is really the unguided missile in the race, the 800-pound gorilla metaphorically, and bottom line she can impact this race anytime she steps into it with a speech, with an endorsement, with an assertion. so bottom line she's just leaving a calling card, i think, saying don't forget about me. alisyn: we should also mention that sarah palin is a fox news contributor, just as you both are. thanks so much for coming in for the debate. bill: kind of interesting if she stumbled into that thing later tonight, don't you think? is. [laughter] alisyn: yes. bill: that'd be something to watch. this was the mission that kill -- it was the mission that killed the world's most wanted man, now a hollywood director responding to controversy on her upcoming film on the death of usama bin laden. what is she saying this morning? alisyn: plus a new report saying health care costs are about to go through the roof. dr. marc siegel says there's an elephant in the room that's

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alisyn: a bit of breaking news because the police in florida have just wrapped up a press conference in which they talked about the capture or the -- of the doherty gang, the siblings who had been on the run for the better part of a week. and it was interesting because the zephyr hills police officer who was the one they shot at just spoke out about their capture. >> on the morning of august 2nd i was doing my sworn duty as a

zephyr hills police officer. my training and experience helped me to survive a deadly force encounter. every day law enforcement officers put themselves between criminals and their communities and risk their lives. i hope this crime by these lawless individuals remind us of the responsibility each of us has to one another as we seek to keep our communities safe. alisyn: the doherty gang was captured yesterday after another high-speed chase with more shooting at police officers. luckily, no one was injured after their eight day on the run. bill: there is a staggering new health care report showing that medical costs will sore over the -- soar over the next few years. a new government report showing

spending will accelerate to almost 6% every year. by the year 2020, total costs and services will reach $4.7 trillion. that figure is 20% of the national gross domestic product. meanwhile, dr. marc siegel says medicaid is the elephant in the room, he's a member of the fox news medical a-team, and he has a terrific opinion piece on foxnews.com. good morning. >> morning, bill. bill: you call medicaid a bloated product. how? >> well, medicaid is incredibly expensive, and we're now about to extend it to 16 million more people in 2014 which is going to increase the amount we spend on medicaid by 20%. according to the center for medicare and medicaid services, guess what? medicaid's going to be about 20% of that. now, i call it a bloated product because it's so easy to overuse, you've got the medicaid card, you can use it anytime you feel like it, whether you're sick or not. it covers all kinds of outrageous services. bill, did you know if your

wheelchair breaks, they give you a new wheelchair? bill: that's a pretty good deal. >> dental is covered, eye care is covered. i have to tell you, people come into our covered hospital and say can i have my eyes looked at, can i have a pair of glasses? is. bill: all that costs money -- >> it's important stuff, but it costs a fortune. bill: if they read your piece, you're not trying to penalize or punish the elderly or seniors in our society -- >> or the poor. bill: -- or the poor, correct, because medicaid directly goes to help the poor in america. you're looking for solutions in this. what are they? >> well, a, i'd like to see a co-pay for routine use of medicaid. a co-pay would cut down on the overuse of this. you know, it's not lahrly popular to say -- politically popular, but it would cut down on overuse. another thing i would say, instead of increasing by 16 million more people and have the federal dime cover almost 100% of that, the federal dime covers

about 57% of medicaid right now, the rest of it the states cover. i wonder if standard and poor looked at that, 100%? i'd like to see the federal government if thai interested in taking care of the poor, let them hire doctors, expand clinics and say to the poor, come here if you're sickment that would -- sick. that would cost less money. bill: how ironic that hiring doctors and nurses to care for the poor might actually save money and help to reduce the federal debt. more doctors? >> more doctors who are trained to deliver essential services paid for by the federal government, incentivized during their training because no doctors are going into primary care right now. and build the clinics to take care of them. that's actual medical care. if you hand out medicaid cards, you're definitely incentivizing overuse -- bill: but you write excessive

services must be curtailed. i think most people would agree with you. who determines what's excessive? is. >> well, the federal government does, and the state governments. the form lairs for drugs, by the way, with medicaid you can get almost any prescription drug you want. we're talking about generics, but with medicaid you don't have that. i think the government should cut back on what medicaid coffers while offering a -- covers while offering an alternative. alisyn: all eyes, of course, on the economy today. the dow climbing back up after that dismal day on wall street yesterday. will this last until the closing bell? up 220 points as you can see there, that's the right direction. neil cavuto's going to break it down for us. plus -- they need to stop the violence, and we can help them. which american city is london calling on to help control violet gangs? this -- violent gangs? >> mr. speaker, we will not put up with this in our country. we will not allow a culture of fear to exist on our streets,

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bill: well, we told you we'd find the silver lining at 9:00, didn't we? i mean, here's one, right? 200 points to the upside for the dow 30, not bad. that jump coming a day after a sharp drop in the markets again. what a seesaw that was. major european markets trying to rally as well earlier today, so how does that crisis affect us here at home? neil cavuto is the senior vice president, managing editor of the fox business network who can put a simple and plain understanding on all of this. how you doing? >> reporter: good, bill, how are you? bill: i'm fine, thank you. this is my layman's understanding, all right? what happened in europe since all those countries are tied together is that the big banks in the places like france and germany, they're the ones on the hook for all the bad loans in places like greece and italy, maybe spain down the road,

right? so those banks say we've got to loan to these countries to bail them out to make sure they don't go under, so the banks back in paris and berlin don't go under. so right now they're trying to save these countries, and that's calling into question the health of the banks in places like paris and berlin. in simple terms, is that what's going on? >> reporter: well, it's even bigger than that. stepping back from that, a lot of these institutions, of course, are indirectly involved in these bailouts just as financial members of the imf and the world bank and the european central bank, and you're quite right to say they have their misgivings about it. but i think it's even if you don't mind starkly simpler than that. there's just a freeze on credit and that their books are simply out of balance. now, france's second biggest bank has argued that we're fibro, and all these rumors you hear to the contrary, and that's what started, rumors that a big

french bank was in trouble and the french banking system itself might be teetering. that prompted nicolas sarkozy to cut short a vacation, in and of itself for a big deal for anyone in france to even do, so he came back and said everything's fine, but the selling continued today. bill: now, is that true? is this bank going to go under? >> because what happened in our country in 2008 is that lehman brothers went bankrupt, and that caused the whole ripple effect three years ago. are we going to feel the impact of a french bank that's in trouble that may go under that'll effect us here at home? >> reporter: well, if it locks credit, in other words, its arteries to cash are shut down, and that's what happened to lehman if you think about it here in this country a few years ago then, yes, that would be the scenario. they don't think that'll happen even though the disturbing report today was that a chinese credit line to the bank was cut off. that then cascaded to effect

italy in bnp paribas, also any european bank was hit by the same rumors that maybe they have capital shortages or they're in deep financial do-do. no, we're actually fine, don't feed on this piece, we're doing fine, but the markets got ahead of themselves, they sold on that, and that is sort of raising these concerns we could have another blackrock. blackrock was a british institution some years back that was having financial troubles, there was a run on the bank. you might remember the images of depositors lining up outside the bank to withdraw money, and that's what they wanted to prevent here. we're not at that stage yet by a long shot, but fears do compound themselves, and people the better part of valor says i want to be safe, just take my money out. they're not doing that, but the more reports they get like this and the more the market feeds on this and the more we see european financial stocks getting powned on this --

pounded on this, that index is down north of 30%, then the more those fears heighten. bill: sounds like they smelled a rat and did not want to take a chance on it being a big, big, big rat. >> reporter: well, you're right. it was big enough, again, for nicolas sarkozy to come back from vacation. that alone was worthy of a fox news alert. bill: i know you're not taking vacation because you'll be here this weekend. 4:00 later today, 6:00 eastern on the fox business network check him out, and this weekend 10 a.m. eastern time, the live business block for two hours. it's called on the brink: answers from the abyss, hosted by neil cavuto. thank you, neil. alisyn: great britain and the world shocked by days of looting and the violence in the streets of london and all across the u.k. prime minister david cameron says his government is looking to the u.s. now for help in fighting this lawlessness.

london, of course, needs to bring back confidence that it can handle the olympics at this time next year. let's bring in our guest, bill gavin is the former head of the fbi in new york, miami and denver. great to see you. explain to us, first, why has this been so hard for the police in london to get their arms around all of this lawlessness? >> well, i believe a lot of it has to do with the policing philosophy in the great britain as opposed to the united states. when something like this first happened at the end of last week, the police had a response, but it wasn't an overwhelming response which allowed the protesters, the civil unrest and the civil disobedience, the looters and the hooligans to take control of the streets. that is different from the united states. here in boston and throughout many cities in the united states there is an immediate show of overwhelming force that tends to suppress what these looters and be rioters might want to do initially. alisyn: so prime minister david

cameron says he is now looking to cities like boston and new york for help. what can we offer them? >> well, i think what we can offer them is one individual that comes to mind and cameron -- i have to say that the bottom line is that bill bratton who used to be the commissioner in boston, he was the commissioner in the new york and head of the police in los angeles is one of if not the most innovative law enforcement professionals in this country. he has great contacts with the metropolitan police department, and now one also has to understand that the two top individuals within the met have recently stepped down due to the scandal that was there. that might be somebody, bill bratton -- alisyn: so you think bill bratton might go over there and take some sort of leadership position? >> the i wouldn't be surprised. i think if he were asked, i think he would graciously do it. bill's a true professional, and while the culture needs to remain british culture, there

are things that bill can add to the policing in the u.k. that would absolutely be of a great benefit. alisyn: one of the things i thought was interesting you said in terms of a difference in philosophy between here and london is that here we believe, the police here believe that you can't reason with the rioters and the looters. so what do you do? >> the time for reasoning is after you've controlled them. and you know, what happens if, in fact, you don't control them, last night in birmingham the police were not in control of a neighborhood, and so the citizenry came out to protect their own property. three of them were mowed down and killed in, by a hit and run driver. it is never a good idea to have citizens assume the responsibilities of police to protect their own property. it has to be very aggressive, and then the time for dialogue is after everything is under control. alisyn: all right. we shall see what boston and new york and other cities here can offer to london and, hopefully,

they can get this all tamped down. bill gavin, thanks so much for coming in. >> thanks so much. my pleasure. bill: there will be eight on stage later tonight gearing up for the debate in iowa on the fox news channel. then they will make their case to voters ahead of the weekend's straw poll in ames which'll give us a measure of how they're doing in that state. carl cameron, what do you want to start? mitt romney's not even involved in the straw poll. what does that say about his campaign, how do iowans look at that decision, carl? >> reporter: well, this is the most consequential day of the campaign to date. this debate will be a very, very big deal. mitt romney will be on the ballot for the straw poll, but he'll be on the stage tonight, and as the national front runner he has a great deal to protect and to hope for. he's hoping to reassure iowans that he's not skipping this state and he's really going to

compete aggressively. in fact, his aides have acknowledged they're going to ramp up his presence here in part because there's been so much happening in the first in the nation caucus state that he's been missing because of his absence. it's a very big night for michele bachmann. she really is the iowa front runner, and expectations are very high here that her debate performance and a potential straw poll win will catapult her up yet another level on the national stage for this. also a big night for tim pawlenty, but there are eight candidate on the stage tonight, bill, and for each of them there is much to gain and much to lose. not just because of the straw poll, but because this is right now, arguably because of what's happened in the last week, a historic and domestic event, the most important debate we've had. bill: carl, thank you. really looking forward to it later tonight. thank you, carl. you can only see that debate here on the fox news channel, 9:00 prime time. bret baier is your host. terrific panel, chris wallace and byron york. and we are asking this, what do

you think? what topic do you want to hear the most about later tonight? foxnews.com/"america's newsroom." that's our show page. your options are the debt, jobs, health care, taxes or other. right now more than 50% say debt. about 34% say jobs, and we've had, what, 2400 votes, 2500 votes now in about an hour's time. alisyn: interesting stuff, so get your votes in. meanwhile, thousands of new yorkers stopping and staring up at the sky in midtown manhattan. a big league rescue in the big apple 70 stories up. bill: whoa. also a hunt for usama bin laden now set to be a movie. under fire from a prominent member of congress, he says it compromises national security. in a moment, the response from the film maker. >> we do not discuss classified information, and i would hope that as we face a continued threat from terrorism, the house committee on homeland security

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production, that details the decadeslong pursuit of the al-qaeda leader. she says it presents a nonpartisan portrayal of the clinton, bush and obama administration's pursuit of bin laden. but peter king, chairman of the house homeland security committee, accuses the white house of giving film makers too much access to classified information. lisa, thanks so much for joining us. is it possible that a big hollywood production like this, you know how well vetted they are, could actually compromise national security? >> well, i think the major concern here is the timing of the release of the film. it's scheduled to be released just one month before the u.s. presidential election, so i think there are many questions about why it's being released now if it has been in the works for many years if it's going to cover several administrations

tracking bin laden. i think there's concern that given the political leanings of the producers that they will merely try to portray president obama in a favorable light just one month before an election. so i think they need to consider pushing back the release date so this doesn't just look like a political ploy. alisyn: sure, sure. i mean, critics believe this is a pr stunt and this would just help boost enthusiasm for the president. but let me tell you what kathryn bigelow, the directer and the producer of this movie says. we have a comment from her, a quote from her. she says: alisyn: does she have a point, that this is just about an american victory, it's not partisan? >> well, it is an american victory. the elimination of bin laden was the culmination of years of

pain staking work by the defense department, by our intelligence agencies. it was a major step forward in the war on terrorism. but, again, i come back to the point of the release date. and if it's not a prettial ploy, then there should be no problem in releasing the film later to avoid these criticisms. and i also think congressman king has a point in raising questions about what kind of information will be released to these producers because of what we saw right after the bin laden raid. we saw tremendous leaks, they were damaging leaks, they may have resulted in people being arrested in the pakistan who were helping our intelligence agencies. we saw criticism from former secretary of defense gates, from admiral mccraven who was in charge of the bin laden raid. so i think these are very valid questions about what kind of information is being released and, frankly, i'm glad that he's asking them. alisyn: and we will see what happens because congressman king

is demanding an information into whether there was -- an investigation into whether there was critical information released. >> thank you. bill: jenna lee's down there in the newsroom, what's happening? jenna: thank you very much. we're going the tackle the dow, we're going the tackle debt, we're going to tackle the markets. is the financial crisis of 2008 the same as what we're experiencing right now? and is debt leading to the demise of democracy? someone said that on our show yesterday. we have a panel to discuss that. go to foxnews.com/happeningnow, click on the america's asking or the blog tab to weigh in. also, of course, we have that big gop debate tonight. bret baier joining us. and a new aircraft bill that could take you from l.a. to new york in this 13 minutes flat. what do you think about that? bill: oh, yeah. um, i'm onboard. [laughter] um, but i think the price is going to be extraordinary. jenna: good point. bill: i'll fly coach. jenna, i'll' you in -- see you

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bill: it is the large national park in the lower 48, it's in the state of idaho, and it is stunning. lack at that -- look at that. it covers 4.3 million acres of some of the most scenic and breathtaking sites you will find anywhere. you'd think there'd be enough room for everyone to get along, right? douglas kennedy has more. >> reporter: yeah, this is

called the salmon chalice, and it is huge stretching over most of central idaho, but some say it's now getting overwould crowded and, unfortunately, loud. there's nothing brad smith enjoys more than a hike through the salmon chalice national forest in central idaho. essentially, you come here for the tranquility. >> yeah. i grew up in idaho hiking in the woods and enjoying this amazing place. >> reporter: but these days things aren't quite as tranquil as smith would like. with a national forest plan that allows for almost unfettered use of all-terrain vehicles inside the park. aside from the noise, describe some of the problems created by off road vehicles. >> if trails aren't in the right location, it can damage the water, wildlife habitat. >> reporter: it was from the idaho conservation league says the vehicle's wheels create divots in the landscape which can lead to big problems over

time. smith and his group are now suing the federal government to limit the use of atvs inside the salmon chalice. it's a move that has many offroaders fearing for the future both here in idaho and across the west. >> the first step is motorized users, then they go after mountain bikes, then equestrians come under scrutiny. some radical environmentalists promote what we call human exclusion zones. our fear is that they'll reach their goal. >> reporter: atv owners believe once the feds ban them, they're going to ban you from hiking here. what do you say to that? >> are -- when i grew up in iowa we had less than 20,000 offroad vehicles, now we have 140. >> reporter: he says the federal government needs to manage those vehicles just like hunting and fishing. back to you. bill: douglas, i think you got the assignment of the summer. >> reporter: yeah. they're loud, but they're fun, bill. bill: love idaho.

thank you, douglas. alisyn: fox news alert now and some good news to report. the dow shooting up 900 point -- 300 points, it's tamped down a little bit since then, it's now at 283, but it was above 300. this after, of course, taking a beating in the past couple of days. european markets, however, do remain shaky today. we will bring you all of the latest in just a couple of minutes. sam higgins...

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