that? you want to demonize me and put a name on it -- >> sean: gibbs and axelrod attacked the republicans and he party will that work? >> i don't think so. people are too savvy. there's people screaming when they watch that video. >> sean: that is all the time we have left. thank you for watching. see you tomorrow night. >> greta: fox news alert. mass chaos from virginia to washington, new york even martha's vineyard and beyond. buildings shaking, people running for their lives. a quiet august day turns frantic. a powerful 5.8 quake shook the east coast for a terrifying, 45 seconds which to many seemed like a lifetime. the epicenter was virginia w-2 nuclear reactors were taken off-line. in d.c., 80 miles away,

tremors paralyzed the city, buildings, including the capitol and the fox news channel, evacuated. alarms sounded, lights flashed and everyone ordered to evacuate office buildings. some saying it felt like a plane hitting the build. eerie and frightening reminder of 9/11. in new york city more than 300 miles from d.c., people in times square with on -- were on edge as the ground began shaking. jetblue terminal began rumbling. televisions rocking, flights temporarily delayed. police evacuated buildings downtown and kept people gathered at a park. a.m. trains temporarily halted. cell phone service shutdown as calls flooded the system. i was a terrifying afternoon. not everyone felt the ground shaking on the east coast. it depends upon where you were when the quake struck. right after the tremors hit d.c., we hit the streets to ask around.

>> i thought it was a train. then i look up and i see bricks -- stuff start falling. i saw bricks and dust from the roof and i kept running. >> greta: did you feel the quake? >> yeah. >> greta: you live around here? >> i live in greenville, i didn't feel the quake. >> i thought it was a flash mob. i was riding my bike through chinatown, all of these people, i thought flash mob. i stopped and asked somebody and they told me what happened. >> the ground shock. [ inaudible ] [ sirens ] >> greta: griff jenkins headed to virginia.

he stopped at a school near the epicenter to find out what happen. >> reporter: we are inside a high school, perhaps one of the hardest hit of this quake. folks here were kind enough to let us in to see the extent of damage. you can see it behind me. we would like to take you through and show you some pictures. clearly, structural damage here. quite a lot seems to be a buckle in the roof here. you can see the damage that came down. more cracked walls, severely damaged wall here. the ceiling, which gave way. the school now is closed until after labor day. the building folks trying to determine whether it is safe. what kind of structural damage might have happened. that of course isn't always necessarily evident to the

naked eye this is an administrative building. you can see the damage was very significant. things strewn on the walls, book shelves collapsed. files crashing to floor. the gentleman i spoke to said he saw death coming. he felt the floor was going to give. terrifying moment. deborah is the school superintendent. tell us what happened here today? >> it was around 2:00 in the afternoon, i was making a visit to a classroom with the principal. routine visit. all of a sudden, it felt like the school was shaking. actually, i thought i was the train going by. we have a train that guess by routinely. then i realized it was stronger than that. i thought, it might be some people on the roof. we've had roof repairs. it was much stronger than that. frankly, i had no idea. i thought a bomb is going off.

that moment the -- this is milliseconds. the fire alarms went off, students, principal and i exited the room. as we did, we saw the ceiling had fallen in, part of the hallway lights were hanging. so we quickly evacuated the students. the nursing staff attended to the few students probably no more than six who either had a minor injury or i think anxiety. i understand that one teacher, a book shelf had fallen on her. we spoke with her, she didn't go to the hospital, she said she was a little sore but feeling okay. [ talking over each other ] >> we are exiting this building now. this is an aftershock. >> reporter: we are -- [ talking over each other ]

>> i'm looking scared. >> reporter: what goes through your mind? >> first, that i want to be safe. i don't want that building to fall in on us. in fact, we felt small aftershocks after the quake. that is a much stronger one than we felt -- the earthquake was much stronger than that >> reporter: right. are you uncomfortable right now? >> well yes. my heart is beating strongly. you're photographing me. how many people get photographed during an earthquake? >> greta: everyone is wondering, should we expect aftershocks? how about another earthquake? joining us on the phone walter mooney, lead seismologist with usgs. good evening. we saw one guest during an interview there was an aftershock, that was one. should we expect more and how far-reaching? >> yeah.

a cake like this 5.8 is an -- a quake like this, 5.8 is an energetic event always followed by numerous aftershocks. it is right on schedule, it is behaving the way we expect. it already had that 4.2 aftershock. this will continue for several more days. >> greta: how do you tell the difference between an aftershock and another quake? what is the difference? >> good question. we call it an aftershock if it is occurring on the same fault that was the main event. basically, like a little bit of continuing cracking and creeking and groaning of the same fault. >> greta: any significance to where epicenter was of this particular one? >> this is in the piedmont of the beautiful appalachian mountains. if you go further east, you get into the blue ridge and that area. it is an ancient mountain belt, more than 100

million-years-old. really big number. this fault has been reactivated. we have rare earthquakes in this region, but they do occur. today was a real wake-up. >> greta: in terms of a wake-up there are nuclear power plans in the area. all the way up -- up the east coast. are the nuclear power plans at any risk? >> i have good news. the nuclear power plants are not in any risk with a quake of this size or a larger quake. they were designed, knowing that these kind of earthquakes can and do occur. the most famous one was 1886, charleston, south carolina. we know a lot about that earthquake. that was a magnitude 7.3. 30, 40, 50 times stronger, more energy. people have taken this into consideration when designing the nuclear power plant.

>> greta: is it possible to make an earthquake-proof building? i realize on the east coast we haven't anticipated many of them so we make little effort to accommodate a quake. can you make an earthquake-proof building? >> that's a good question. one that i've asked civil engineers, structural engineers myself and then i've gone and looked at earthquakes powerful quakes like that 8.8 in chile. the answer is really positive. yes, we can make earthquake-proof buildings. i to haiti, after the haitian quake and to the u.s. embassy. not a scratch scratch. i to chile along the coast and looked at the building there, most of them, not a scratch. with good engineering you can make something that will withstand this kind of event. it >> greta: you said a couple days with the aftershock. any sign we go a quake now that this is a more earthquake

prone region or just a fluke and we have to wait for the next decade? >> i would say this is a really normal occurrence. it doesn't indicate that suddenly we are entering a new phase, new time of more and more earthquakes in the -- in that region. these occur about every 10 years on the east coast of the united states. the last one was 2002 in new york state. this was not something to be very alarmed about. even though it reminds us, we have to be prepared when these things occur. >> greta: dr. mooney, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> greta: this is a fox news alert. libya's colonel gadhafi is talking. he just released an audio statement. the content is bizarre. gadhafi claims withdrawal from his compound in tripoli was a tactical move. he's vowing death or victory in the fight against an direction.

rebel fighters have taken over his compound searching every inch for the brutal dictator. [ gunfire ] >> gadhafi hat on his head, i don't know what you call this, sort of a masonic bushey thing that he used to throw around. and his necklace.!óhyí [ gunfire in [ [ gunfire ] >> greta: where is gadhafi right now? steve harrigan joins us live from libya. steve where is colonel gadhafi? has he been spotted?

>> reporter: no, he has not been spotted. u.s. officials say he's likely to be still in libya. we've seen his son in the past 24 hours trying to bolster government support. no sign of colonel gadhafi just the radio message where he vows to fight nato or become a martyr. we are hearing the warplanes overhead. historic day here. historic for the rebels that have over taken the gadhafi compound. they did get help from the nato war plans in the run-up to this battle. they were -- pounding hard, dropping heavy bombs most of the morning. a sense of triumph today after six months of fighting they've overtaken the symbol of gadhafi's power. the nerve center as well for the regime. the fighting still continues. we heard small arms fire throughout the evening behind us. possible battle as well looming for the city of sirte gadhafi's hometown.

there's fighting around the airport. the real challenge for this interim government will be to try and maintain the peace in the city. for 40 years you've had two sighs. one profiting from the -- gadhafi regime, the other side sometimes losing family members tortured by that regime. a lot of bitterness. suddenly with a power vacuum it is going to be a challenge to prevent acts of revenge. >> greta: listening to the shooting the noise in the background it does seem that gadhafi still has some people on his side. is he losing, defecting, he's still got supporters. >> reporter: he does certainly still have supporters. a couple of interesting facts about those supporters. on the drive in today we saw a number of green uniforms, discarded by those soldiers try to flee association with gadhafi's forces. trying to blend back into

civilian life there are small pockets of resistance that continue here in the -- they continue to attack the rebel fighters there. is still fighting going on, small arms fire, mixed in with the celebration gunfire as well. >> greta: steve, in terms of gadhafi, the fact that nobody knows where , do people believe he's still in libya? >> reporter: a lot of rumors about where he is. of course tracking him down is going to be one of the main priorities for this transition government. he's become a symbol of the resistance. with him out there, he could smashing -- he could spark an in . the real challenge could be to try and keep the peace in this city of two million people. tensions are running high. right now we are seeing rebel check points around the city. they are in control of probably 95% of the capital at this point. still pockets of resistance.

some of those pockets have lost contact with their superiors. that's a dangerous scenario. they don't know when to stop. >> greta: steve, thank you. >> joining us is congressman mike rogers chairman of the house intelligence committee. what happens to gadhafi when he is grabbed, if he is grabbed alive? >> there's different scenarios. i think the libyan people have talked openly, at least the rebels have, about immediately meeting justice with colonel gadhafi, meaning they are going to kill him. there's hope there could be a deal worked by many in nato. i'm less optimistic about that. there's also the possibility that he could be held for justice. given the attitude of the mob, if you can see how undisciplined those rebels are in the footage that uchitels you the odds of him surviving a direct contact with the rebels is not very good.

>> greta: what i find significant, everyone thinks that he has weapons of mass destruction or mustard gas or other weapons, like we did with saddam hussein. none of it has been used against these people. which makes me think it hasn't been weaponized what he does have or he doesn't have it. with all the threats and calling people rats and doing what he has done for the last 42 years, why has he not unleashed it on these people? >> i've seen it, i know it exists. we know in 2004 he gave us his nuclear weapon program. after the invasion in iraq he picked up the phone and said i don't want to be next. >> greta: and i got off the list. >> he did. but he maintained chemical stockpiles because there negotiations going on -- >> greta: why hasn't he used them? >> i think the weaponization is more difficult than what people b, access to them is limited. i believe he thinks to some degree he's still going to be the ruler and doesn't want to be the ruler who used mustard gas on his own people.

>> greta: it is hard to think -- he must feel desperate with the clamor in the streets. it doesn't look good for him. you would think he would have planned for this. this didn't start yesterday. this has been going on since february, march. i'm suspicious, why he's not using it? >> stability is not good. the information that he gets and the information that we get are two very different things. the folks that you see fighting in the compounds are people that are fiercely loyal, highly trained, lethal troops. they going to continue that fight. he is not getting the information. he still probably, passionately believes that the people of libya are with him. does not see the whole story. and is not getting the whole story. his mental condition i will tell you from somebody who has been to libya -- >> greta: you met him? >> i have. >> greta: what is he like? >> odd is the best description i can give you. >> greta: you met him under what circumstances? >> it was during the course of

the chemical weapons -- i did an inspection of the biological, nuclear and chemical weapons programs, as part of that draw-down of our taking custody of most of it. it was in the middle of the desert in a tent. he walked out, from the horizon, it was like a bad movie, he walked from a great distance, kept us waiting for hours to reinforce his nomad roots out in the desert. it was clear then that he had some mental issues -- >> greta: in what way? >> he was very, very, very disconnected from reality. >> greta: you had a conversation with him? >> he did speak english. and he went long. he had a lot of castro in him. he was a little disconnected from the reality of what was happening on the ground. so i can see how he might be very disconnected from what is actually happening in libya

today. >> greta: when you walked away was it what is wrong with him? was he that bizarre? >> there were a lot of glances among the folks who were there, really, this is the leader of libya? clearly was disconnected from reality then. concerning and the worrisome part is we know he has this chemical stockpile. if it is not him using it, does it get legs and walk away? he also if you remember in most of his defenses are built on the fact he was attacked by missiles and aircraft in the 80s. he built that underground infra . -- infrastructure. all of that was built with his survival. there are weapons that concern us a lot, we ought to be aggressive about getting custody of those. >> greta: thank you. if you think senator kerry was silly when he said the media should stop giving equal time

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>> greta: the tea party must have lots of power. if they didn't no one would bother with them. some democrats can't stop talking about the tea party. first vice president biden saying they acted like terrorists over the debt ceiling debate. then senator kerry and others using the term extremists, sounding like a broken record. next maxine waters blasting the tea party telling them to go straight to hell. another member of the house of representatives is fired up, representative wilson unleashing her tea party fury. >> let's all remember who the real enemy is. the real enemy is the tea party!

[ applause ] >> there is no compromising with them. they have one goal in mind, to take president obama a one-term president. >> greta: what is up? rick klein joins us. rick, is it fear of them or have they don't polling and determined these attacks is good political rhetoric? >> this kind of rhetoric rarely means anything in terms of a good side for a politician. i want to make a list you shouldn't call the other side, enemy is one. treason, nazi references, those are all bad. i think the serious side is democrats have a motivation problem. they have an issue going into 2012. a lot were caught napping in 2010. they didn't realize the power of the tea party until i was too late. they got beat badly. there's a big segment to the democratic base that needs to get energized. a lot of members in congress, among others that want if get

that energy out there and using those techniques to take that happen. >> greta: some had been in congress in 2000, when didn't have oversight over fannie mae and freddie mac and let the s&p give aaa ratings. they were all sleep at the wheel they were supposed to be supervising the sec. congresswoman wilson just got in so she can't be blamed for this. they have gal when the tea party is saying wake up -- they have gall when the tea party is saying wake-up. >> a lot woke up and decided to do something about it. you are right, it is easy to say all these things that should be happening they were in power for a good amount of time as well. >> greta: they keep using the same code words. the republicans are having a hard time because they are trying to embrace them and make sure they don't get mad at them.

>> this has never been an easy marriage for the republicans. tea party would love them to have them in the tent. they can't survive as a party next year if they go elsewhere. democrats would love to make this election about barack obama, democrats, versus the tea party that going to be a tough road for republicans if independents, associate all republicans as tea partiers they are not going to want to go that route. >> greta: if you talk to these people. you may not agree with them, the way they are demonized as though they are horrible, bad, scary people. they are regular american people who happen to have passion about politics right now. >> that was the genesis of the movement, such as it is. taxed enough already. this is an idea that could cross party lines. i is associated with different elements. there are extremist elements inside the tea party like there are on the left as well. you are right, that is not something that can broadly define to cast them all as the

enemy is not something that is generally productive for our discourse. >> greta: trade unions are bigger, no one is demonizing them. teamsters is a bigger group on the republican side you might have another big group this is almost like a union, but we're not an economic within. >> democrats would love to find something similar to get them going. it is not going to be unions that deliver by themselves. they love to get something that be -- that can be an equivalent. harder to do in a mid term election they know the tea party is going to be out there maybe just gaining steam if it is as strong as it was in 2010, it will be tough in 2012. >> greta: who do you think can energy the tea party the most? >> the republican that can get them going? >> greta: yeah, which republican really would get the tea party going? >> i think michelle bachmann and rick perry money the current candidates are most

likely to tap into that. i think the tea party going to be behind the republican candidate, whoever it is. the one who has been associated with them most closely has been michelle bachmann and i think rick perry and some of the things he's done and the rhetoric makes him a better match than some of the others. >> greta: if governor palin jumps in what does that? >> i think she makes a play. there is plenty of time get something done. she's a force. >> greta: are they going to give money? is the tea party opening wallets? >> yes, it has. michelle bachmann is a classic example. the record sums she raised as a house candidate was in large part because she had tea party support that is out there. that is -- they can be a force financially. >> greta: rick, thank you. it will be interesting to see what else is said about the tea party. >> and what hats they are

wearing when they say it. >> greta: indeed. we are in big trouble. our debt is multiplying fast. we went from 10.6 trillion to 14.6 trillion. guess the timeframe? we'll tell you next. >> brace yourself another surprise from s&p. fan out what is going on with [ ben harper's "amen omen" playing ] we believe doing the right thing never goes unnoticed. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy?

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to the carolinas. this hurricane threatens the u.s. right now it is a category 1, with maximum sustained winds of 91 miles per hour. but that will change with warm waters. it has cut a destructive path through the caribbean and is on track to become a hurricane 4 hurricane. irene will likely miss florida and head for the carolinas, but the national hurricane center is warn that this storm remains unpredictable. here for the lat. >> president obama getting bad news. the national debt since he took office increased four trillion. the most rapid increase in debt any u.s. president. to put thins in perspective, the national debt increased 4.9 -- trillion during the eight years of president bush. nice to see you. different times, different presidencies.

why has it jumped so high in this less than one term president so far? >> biggest answer the major thin is the economy is in rough shape. when the -- thing is the economy is in rough shape. people have less wages, less capital gains, less revenue coming in, mormon going out the door more payments for food stamps, employment benefits, all kinds of social safety net things. there are other things, stimulus contributed, 800 billion dollars in federal stimulus, 20% of the increase in debt, definitely a factor. the recession is the major cause. >> greta: we had a recession during the second part of the bush presidency. did he experience the same rapidly increasing debt? >> not the same amount. also that first bush recession in 2001. dotcom bust, this one unemployment went to 10% that went to around 7%.

different orders of magnitude in terms of the scale down turns. we didn't see the same incase in the deficit and debt in the first bush term. >> greta: the way that i imagine the -- the way think that measure the president's success -- he inherited a mess. but it is the trend. since january '09, looking at things, have things improved has the unemployment rate improved, housing starts, debt increased more than one would expect how have the different trends been? >> not good. the economy did bottom out in 2009 after he been in office for a few months. it is not much of a recovery we are still"9 9.2% unemployment too high as long as we have that many unemployed it is going to be hard to close the budget deficit. the president has been in

office three years now almost. at some point it is on him. >> greta: do the economists say general, -- say generally, the nonpartisan ones say his choice of remedy for the economy is why it has been a sluggish recovery or do they say it is the nature of the beast? >> the biggest thing is we are coming out of a giant financial crisis. we had a huge run-up in private debt, mortgages, credit cards, student loans, debt that individual americans ran up. what we've seen in the long arch of financial history when you have a financial crisis driven by too much debt it takes a long time to come out of it. they have an obligation to sculpt policies and get the economy back on track, we are not there yet. >> greta: have you heard anyone within the administration saying we wish

we could have done x? greater stimulus earlier. that would lead to higher debt this is a president not an emperor. congress is on the hook too. congress has made choices of tax and spending and how to deal with this financial crisis in this recession. there's blame across the >> greta: i put a blot -- i put a lot of blame on congress when they should have been watching freddie mac and fannie mae and sec, wall street they were asleep at the wheel. a lot of it goes to congress. >> there are mistakes if we had done differently we wouldn't have had this crisis and we didn't do them: what is interesting they are trying to use this as a political tool to cast a contrast with the republicans.

i didn't think they are confident at the white house they will be able to get this passed through the republican hoare. the -- through the republican house of representatives. they are going to try to use this as something to hammer republicans with saying we have a plan, they don't, they are not passing it. more political than policy. >> greta: that's the challenge of the leader there is always going to be conflict. a leader rises above it. thanks. >> after this show on the o'reilly factor: >> bill: did you know the head of the president's competitiveness job creation panel is shipping jobs to china? our pal running ge is doing it. we'll have it for you tonight on the factor. >> greta: i thought he was going to say he didn't have a job. >> coming up, big news about s&p. we'll tell you what is happening there, next. >> a real life shark tale in a kayak. amazing video straight ahead.

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from america's news headquarters, i'm ainsley earhardt. the u.n. is stepping up pressure on syria's president to stop the slaughter of his own people. european nations and the u.s. hope to vote soon on a new embargo that aims in part to freeze the assets of the president and two other syrian leaders. they have kid an estimated 2200 people. but russia, which wields u.n. veto powers opposes sanctions against syria. and dominic strous -- dominic strauss-kahn is a free man. prosecutors say that the hotel man who accused her cannot be trusted and told them a series of lies. lawyers say they will pursue a civil lawsuit against the french

diplomat. i'm ainsley earhardt. now back to "on the record" with greta. . >> greta: what is up with standard & poor's? thirst they gave aaa ratings to toxic swaps that tanked our economy. then three weeks ago they got their math wrong and in spite of it downgraded our nation's credit rating. then the news leaking s&p is under investigation by the justice department if you think the justice department is getting tough on them? wrong only a civil investigation not a criminal investigation. tonight news about the s&p president -- [ unintelligible ] nice to see you. tell me what is the news with the head of s&p? >> s&p announced late last night they were going to replace their president. and they've hired someone who replace him. a high level executive at citigroup named douglas peterson. it is a big change in one of

the most public figures for s&p obviously at a tough time for them. >> greta: devin sharma has been there, 2005, 2007 is when they give the aaa rate together credit swaps which i keep repeating led to the housing crisis and the economy tanking. but, is he leaving with a golden parachute? >> at the moment he's leaving from i hear he's leaving in part because he wanted to become the ceo of s&p's parent company mcgraw-hill. he was told that wasn't going to happen. he's going to officially step down september 12th, and stay as an adviser to the company for the rest of the year. after that he's going to be left to find whatever opportunity he's able to. >> greta: i read in the press release it said he wants to have other challenges. which is almost code for something else. i didn't buy i figured there's

a back story. is there a back story other than he didn't get head of mcgraw-hill? >> as far as i've been able to tell in my reporting, about six months ago, he asked what his future was? changed the organization of s&p a bit so he had less power. he asked what is my future? am i going to become chief executive of mcgraw-hill? he was told that wasn't going to happen. >> greta: he's handled the company in which the credit swap business -- this investigation at the justice department is civil. why civil, i don't know. everybody else is getting investigated criminal -- criminally. is he in any way related to or suspected or guessed or anything these aaa ratings of

these credit swaps in 2007, is he to them? >> he's the president of s&p so he obviously had a high level role. there are a lot of players involved. a lot of investigation centers on analysts and whether they were pressured into giving these securities a much higher rating than they thought they deserved. these questions as to whether business managers put pressure on analysts. i don't think we know for sure who exactly is in the crosshairs of the justice department. >> greta: was his compensation package during those years tied in any way to the aaa rating and any value with those credit swaps? >> so far as i've been able to tell that has not been the case. s&p benefited by having a lot of different bonds and so forth to rate. that's the question is whether

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