later,ick morris on a whole bunch of presidential polls. and turbulence coming right back.

>> bill: waters word segment tonight. ron paul continues his quest to be president even though most polls have him around 10%. on his web site mr. poll was complaining the media was ignoring him. we don't like to see that mr. paul deserves some recognition. we invited him on the factor. unfortunately he turned us down. so we sent jesse wawrtsz to see him in new hampshire. >> jesse watters with fox news. how are you. >> good, how are you? >> just a few questions for you. why wouldn't you come on "the o'reilly factor"? we were all pretty surprised. it's pretty goodxposur >>ou kw,everemember geing a prese invatio hehan he only thi i ard s he wasort of ranting t tv and i probably had otr tngs d maybe bette

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why doesn't he care or anybody care about the constitution? right now nobody legalized paper money. where did that come from? they just ignore it they talk about the constitution when it pleases them. when it doesn't please them like going to war without a declaration. go bomb iran, they might get a nuclear weapon. is there a declaration of war? why is it that some people, you know, think we should obey the constitution some times and not other times. >> that wasn't so bad. you didn't want to explain that to o'reilly. >> he wouldn't have understood it. >> thank you so much. >> bill: all right. here now is jesse watters. now, i have read the constitution, it doesn't say anything about gold and silver. what is he talking about? >> he is misreading the constitution. this theory of his has been around for quite some time. it's just not taken very seriously in most circles. article 1 section 8 of the constitution says congress has the ability to coin money and regulate the currency and doesn't say anything about gold or silver. >> bill: gold or silver, right. >> what i think he is saying is that article 10 does not allow the states to print money.

that's just because you don't want to have massachusetts having one currency and new york having another. that's chaos. he is misinterpreting that. >> bill: okay. also there is a part of that in the states thing that says if they are going to have any coin nage at all that has to be simpatico with the united states, they have to use gold or silver. they can't use mutt ton to do that. >> right. >> i know that according to him i don't understand economics but i think i understand the constitution a little bit because in 1971 we went off the gold standard under president nixon into the federal reserve notes because we were a worldwide currency. remember, everybody, before that, you could redeem your money for gold and silver. governments simply couldn't do it, couldn't do it now. so what are we to think of ron paul? i mean, is he a loon? what are we to think of him when he comes up with this kind of stuff? i don't really know. >> he has a very large following. i expected him to be a little nicer to you. but he was very curmudgeony.

>> bill: he doesn't like me. >> no. bill wouldn't let me talk but you would, jesse. thank you. >> bill: you are a machine -- much nicer guy than i am. he wandered into lawrence of arabia. it's only an hour show. if we had a telethon we might be able to do it. i'm not being disrespectful to mr. paul. dr. paul by the way is he a medical damascus tore but i do think is he pretty far out there. wasn't snook j or jersey shore, did you a good job. appreciate it. dick morris on turbulence within the michele bachmann campaign. is it illegal aliens getting $4 billion more in tax refunds. you are not going to believe it upcoming.

>> bill: impact segment tonight, sadly the summer is over. now the presidential campaign swings into high gear. who better than to break it all down for us than the purveyor of dick morris.com, mr. morris. first of all the jesse watters interview with ron paul. do you feel dr. paul has a chance to win? >> no. >> bill: why does he do it? >> he has ideas. he wants them expressed. is he a curmudgeon. he likes the attention. it's something between self-seeking attention and, on the other hand, a true belief that he wants to put out there. >> bill: okay. so he wants to get his ideas in the marketplace to discuss them in the hopes that maybe some of them will gain some traction. >> when you take the gold standard, it's perfectly true that the fed has horribly abused its right to print currency. tripled the money supply in two years. on the other hand, if we return to the gold standard, we would not be able to have enough money to pay our economy unless they mined more in south africa. i mean. >> bill: if you had people

demanding money, gold, and silver. >> the gold supply would last for an hour. back in the days when there was not much international concern sinchts he knows that just the iran situation, i don't care. they have the nuke weapon. that throws everything off in the whole world. i mean,. >> it's nice if you don't mind a second holocaust in killing 6 million jews. >> bill: could happen. he will say that's hyperbole. >> it's not mine but mahmoud ahmadinejad's hyperbole. >> why would you want to just be -- well, i will talk to them. it's not a big deal. let's get on to the bachmann campaign. pretty interesting. ed rollins running the campaign resigns along with his top deputy. it looks like the congresswoman has peaked. >> well, i don't think there is a connected. rollings was cranky when he left and said i'm 68 and too old to

put up with this. >> bill: he didn't leave because of health reasons. >> i don't think -- it's not like newt where his whole staff quit and they all attacked him. >> bill: he was nice to the congresswoman. >> i don't think it's very serious. as to peaking. we have got to understand that these predebate polls before tonight, before tonight and all the debates that are taking place, these predebate polls don't mean anything. they are like standings. like preseason nfl. when you finally get all of the players there and you finally get them to face each other, then any of them can hit it out of the park. >> bill: i agree -- i am going to disagree with you there. most americans don't watch the debates. they pick up stuff from secondary sources, the internet, dick morris.com, whatever it may be, they are not locked in. it's really interested people that watch the debates. and right now the perception is

that the two heavyweights are perry and romney. >> right. >> bill: that perception is going to hold. it's going to hold unless one of the two does something crazy. >> bill, if bachmann has a great debated like she did two debates ago. >> bill: newt gingrich had a great debate the last time. >> about personal stuff. balkman doesn't. there she just does well, she could move quickly. >> bill: here is what is blocking her. she is perceived and i think rightly so, as a very conservative woman. ala sarah palin. very conservative. the voters are telling everybody in every poll, ideology is not going to be that important this time around. we want obama out of there and we want an economic guy in there the bona fis for economics are on the side of romney and perry. >> on the other hand, all the insiders, politico just did a poll, showing that romney. >> bill: we just read it? >> showing that romney is more likely than perry to beat obama.

yet he is leading romney two to one in the polls. >> bill: that's because the independents aren't taken into consideration in those polls. you know that. >> often they are not. it is completely true, let me underscore that when i are doing national poll, take republicans and independents. one or the other. take them both or just take republicans. do you not say in new hampshire they can vote. i'm going to take them. in money society they can't vote i'm going to exclude them. cost you too much money to do that therefore these polls understate independence. >> bill: but i think it is absolutely true that in the republican primary process the conservative candidates have an advantage there. >> which is why you cannot say this is a two-way field. you cannot count bachmann out of this yet. >> bill: i can i think she is -- i like congressman bachmann. >> two weeks have from now, she could be back on the cover of "time" magazine. >> bill: dinner now? i have been eating free off you

now for four years. i like congressman bachmann. she has waged a very spirited campaign. not going to defeat romney or perry. one of the two. she is not going to do it. >> i think eventually that may be the case. >> you are not willing to wager an expensive dinner. >> i like the fact she is in the race. i think she has to basically be there. i don't. >> there is a large constituency of tea party operatives who. who really do not like mitt romney and do not know enough about perry and i'm not sure that they are going to find perry replacement for bachmann. one other advantage balk map has, she is in congress. >> bill: tomorrow night president obama will be on giving a speech. we'll be on after the speech live. morris on dick morris.com will be tweeting or twitter or what do you do? >> entering comments. >> bill: so you can listen and enter at the same time. >> and chew gum. [ laughter ] i'm going to say on the site

when bachmann gives a great answer, take that bill o'reilly. >> bill: okay. are you rooting for bachmann tomorrow night? >> no. but i'm rooting against you. >> bill: you won't et the dinner. this guy has bought me more dinners. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. president obama has to condemn the comments made by jimmy hoffa. we will show you what happened there. is it legal on the irs sending billions to illegal aliens in tax rebates? and do american teachers even have to speak english anymore in the classroom? we hope you stay tuned to those reports.

>> bill: personal story segment tonight, even though the network news was generally favorable to barack obama in 2008, this time around things are shaping up a bit differently. after teamster boss jimmy hoffa made his very controversial remarks in detroit about taking out the tea party, president obama was put in a difficult position because he spoke shortly after hoffa and actually

praised the man. enter abc news white house correspondent jake tapper with quite a back and forth with white house spokesman jay cancery. >> in january president obama said after the shooting of gabriel giffords at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized far too eager to roll the blame for those who think differently to do. pause for a moment to make sure that we talk to each other in a way that heals not in a way that wounds. did he mean that? >> of course he did. >> how does the comments -- how do the comments by the teamster's president fit in with that. >> first of all, those weren't comments by the president. the president wasn't there. i mean he wasn't on stage. he didn't speak for another 20 minutes. he didn't hear it i really don't have any comment beyond that. >> some of us covering the campaign and recall a time when somebody made some harsh comments about then senator obama while during the mccain rally and the obama campaign was

offended and expected an apology and senator mccain came out and did so. >> mr. hoffa speaks for himself. he speaks for the labor movement, afl-cio. the president speaks for himself. i speak for the president. >> the press precedent that you are sitting for the 2012 election the candidates are the ones we need to pay attention to. those who introduce them at rallies and surrogates. you don't have to pay attention to anything they say. >> i think i have said what i can say. >> is that the standard now? >> you can report it as you would like. >> i would rather not have to do this washington kabuki every time something happens. if that's the standard, then -- >> -- the standard is we should focus on the actions we can take to grow the economy and create jobs instead of focusing on kabuki theater. did the president find the comments appropriate? >> can we move on? >> bill: that was excellent questioning by mr. tapper.

if president obama wants civility he must hold allies to account especially when he is there and he obviously did not. so there you go. as for mr. hoffa himself? i mean, what do you expect? most labor leaders are furious that the tea party has brought public scrutiny on the lucrative benefits some union workers receive especially in the public sector funded by the taxpayers. mr. hoffa is never, never going to be moderate on the issue. he will always attack. >> you watch other networks. they are not talking about what they are talking about. the people they have there, the glenn becks, the o'reillys, you know, and those people, they are so anti-obama, anti-the democratic party, anti-workers, anti-people. >> bill: well, mr. hoffa is simply not telling the truth. obviously we are not anti-obama here. and as the president told the nation on super bowl sunday we have treated him fairly. but jimmy hoffa has no interest in fairness. is he a demagogue. he is playing to his crowd. you know what? he is losing.

when we come right back, is it legal on illegal aliens getting big tax refunds. you are not going to believe it. moments away.

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an illegal alien please send me this card. >> they do not and the irs doesn't check. >> bill: anybody can apply for this. >> it's not a social. they write that number down instead of a social. they send that in their 1040 in. what la, if they have children they check off the box for the child care credit up to as many kids as you have got. if they have got lots of kids and not a lot of income. you are not going to have to pay income tax but you are going to get a refund of $1,000 per childer -- child ergo. >> the government doesn't even know are illegal because to get this worker i.d. number they don't even have to prove citizenship, correct? >> no. that's the problem. this is a big loophole that should have been addressed a while ago. >> bill: let me ask you. this this is a personal question. as americans, not lawyers, pinheads. >> pinheads, patriots? >> bill: does it seem to you that the whole government is out of control these days? that they don't have any regulations that they are just throwing money wherever it may be for the sense of convenience?

i mean, you can get a worker -- you can sneak in here, get a worker number, don't have to prove anything and then the government sends you a check at the end of the year. >> better than the lottery. seriously you? are guaranteed the money. nobody is checking it out. the irs is asking us don't ask us to be citizen checker. >> cannot send anything to ice or have any kind of communication like that. >> bill: through privacy law. >> through privacy laws. >> even if the irs knows that some guy snuck in from ecuador they can't tell. >> it's not their job. >> the irs it's not our job a and b we are trying to get money in any way we can the problem is that. >> bill: 4 billion is going out to people who aren't here legally. >> we need the money, show us the money. we are not going to question you. >> bill: one state that has a very intensive illegal alien problem is arizona they passed laws that are going to be adjudicated by the supreme court to try to get that situation under control. there is another situation, guilfoyle, in the classroom. okay. now, there are supposed to be standards for teachers.

i understand in arizona now teachers don't have to speak good english; is that correct? >> that is correct in a certain regard. basically what the law was, that they were able to single out a teacher go, to a classroom and conduct an audit. this is the state. and determine whether or not the teacher was using appropriate grammar, english, spoke with an accent. >> bill: i used to teacher. once in a while in my classroom some pinhead would sit in the back and take notes mr. o'reilly. that's what you are talking about. that's what they do? >> yes. >> >> bill: so the teacher in the public school system now doesn't speak english very well or grammatically incorrect. >> they could be pulled from the classroom. then there was a claim that this was discrimination, again, against nonnative english speakers and also against hispanics. so now they are saying each individual school district can go in and do an evaluation but you can't just pull them out if they say he -- >> bill: who made the beef? >> a number of organizations said. this but this is the state education officials coming in and saying they are no longer going to do this policing job.

>> bill: who did this. >> teachers did. individual teachers. >> individua hospital.

>> bill: how many arrests. >> four. >> bill: i don't care this is a big deal. this is what college kids do. i'm sorry. >> this thing went on for two

hours before the cops got there this was just a random party at apartment complex. >> bill: cops trying to say random party. i'm not going to show up. anyway, i don't think it's a big deal. huddy said something very interesting to me as she came on the set just a few minutes ago. you said i should have let ron paul have it? >> slapped him down. we love seeing that. >> bill: verbally. >> or the other way, too. >> bill: i'm not going to slap anybody. >> yellow belly won't be here. we like a verbal slap down every once in a while. >> bill: if the doctor thinks i'm not a journalist, i will burn my degree from boston university if he wants and put on ebay and can you buy them. >> very journalist i can. >> why do you think i have to whack him for that. >> he is entitled to his opinion. you know that part of this is entertainment. there is an entertainment. >> you are now in the big chair here. what would you have said. >> nobody would ever sit in that chair, bill. it's all yours. >> put you back in the little

chair. what would you say to paul? what would you have said if he did that to you? >> why do you want to hurt my feelings like that? healing thing. >> why are you haten? that's what i would say. that's not what you would say. >> bill: doesn't like me. i don't know if that's going to work. >> he kind of said that you were stupid. don't you think? yeah. >> bill: not basically. that's what he said. >> yeah, he did. he said i wouldn't understand economics. i wasn't a journalist and jesse watters was smartedder than i. what an insult. >> if i were jesse, i would have slapped him. >> bill: jesse was loving that because he told jesse he was smarter than me. >> i love jesse. he was a little wimpy there. >> bill: i'm sending you out to paul. >> that's not a good idea. >> bill: why not. >> i would get scared. i would end up wimping out. >> bill: i don't think so. you would give him what for. >> a challenge. >> bill: do you want to see juliet huddy out there? >> come on. >> bill: we will try work that out. juliet huddy, everybody. there she is. thinks i'm a wimp. pinheads and patriots tonight.

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i said jesse withouters out there, was nice, respectful, we put dr. paul's remarks on. you like him? good. my job to show you what the presidential candidates are what they are really like, what they think and we do that the people who won't talk to me, like ron paul, we got waters and we are going to have a few others floating around. you can run, but you can't hide. again, thanks for watching. i am bill o'reilly. please always remember the spin stops right here because we >> top of the morning to you. it's thursday, september 8th. i'm gretchen carlson. thank you so much for sharing your time with us today. well, they came out swinging as g.o.p. frontrunner rick perry made his debated debut. >> michael dukakis