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a company owned by its policyholders. ask your advisor or visit massmutual.com. >> where were you 10 years ago today? the day before 9/11 of course? it was monday of that year. and so the workweek had started. i want to remind you before what would be a historic event and seared in our nation's memory. time magazine was doing a story on jet ml taking over for the sky of ge. whether he could follow in his foot steps. barry bonds had reached 63 home runs en route to breaking roger maris' single home run record. it would be six years before

he broke the all-time home run record. treasure secretary paul o'neil talked about a rebound and folks shouldn't worry even though the unemployment rate had picked up to a 4.9 percent, better times were around the corner and there was talk about tax cuts necessary to stimulus the economy. president obama was leading the effort but two democrats quoted in headlines that morning who were talking about the need for additional tax cuts, kent conrad, and a fellow you might have heard of. john kerry, who said i personally think you have to be prepared to talk additional tax cuts. that is september 10th, 2001. september 10th, 2011, 10 year to the day, a less innocent day to hear folks talk about

it but a day that is greeted with a great deal of controversy. in recognizing this solum event tomorrow, growing anger at the mayor of new york city today over who he's inviting and more importantly who he is not. not only fire men, but the clergy. this is what the mayor said to explain that exculsion. >> you pit it over no clergy involved in the ceremonies involved here. i think it was one minister who was quoted as saying, you think this is france a secular society. what did you make of that? >> there is a separation of church and state in the constitution. >> that doesn't mean clergy shouldn't play a role. >> which clergy do you want? your my religion her religion?

out of the washington, the constitution doesn't say that. but nevertheless the exclulsion is raising hackles and what do you make of the mayor's argument for not having. >> the mayor is not only wrong in his head and heart. i think it is just wrong and i don't think the american people are going to appreciate the mayor in this instance one bit. his lack of understanding of the constitution limitation on the government's promotion of religion and certainly the fact of the matter that prayer was so important to us on that day and every day of our our lives. he's wrong in his heart and i don't understand this kind of wrongness and i can't explain it. >> yesterday and earlier today, maybe this was not meant to be a constitutional

argument. what he was dealing with was uproar over whether he had invited a muslim clerics and the like and that would have created hackles and he said no religious is coming. >> i have seen that similar sort of the thing. two children get in a squabble over a candy bar and instead of sharing the whole thing they say no one gets any candy. it is bad parenting and bad mayorial decision making and he's wrong. >> i am wondering, too, dick, it is bothering a lot of folks and exclusion of fire men. his argument is that there are so many events in this city, that will be going to so many different services catholic and jewish and what have you and all will be represented.

and i talk to clergy about it. but this is the big and important one and his predecessor ruddy guiliani had no problem including them in the initial events and discussions and they resent it. i am wondering whether it is a big are issue beyond what is just happening here in ground zero? >> you know, actually what we are doing and remembering is so much bigger than the issue, i think the mayor correctly believes it will fade away. he's had other lapses of good judgment, and thoughtfulness, and he's survived. and so i imagine he's ready for this to pass. this cup to pass from his lips. but the fact of the matter is, this cuts really deep. i am going to be guessing that there will be a lot of folks

in attendance with reverent remembrance of the heroism and tragedy that will acutely feel the absence of clergy at the event. >> dick army, thank you very, very much. former house minority leader, dick army. we have a lot going on here obviously as thentious vents begin to go in motion and multimel moments of silence and the first one an hour ago when president bush laid a wreth in the pentagon in memory of those killed in the attack and we'll see governor christie lay a wreath at the memorial to the 700 new jerseyians who lost their life and including a number on the very affected and take you there as well and before there was a homeland security to deal with this terror threat in our country.

and it was essentially the job of fema to address these types of emergencis and disasters, even those brought on us by enemies from afar. you know michael brown very well he was a rising figure at fema and rock it up to take it over that organization and played a key role in digging through the rubble and helping to look for victims then. people forget that and forget the incredible hours he had to endure as did everybody else who was digging through that rubble at the time . it is a stark reminder of prekatrina, michael brown, few people appreciate or know. >> guest: good to see you, neil. >> explain what it was like. >> guest: the director of fema had come up here on the 12th. we had been in big sky montana for a national emergency manager's meeting that weekend

and we ended up flying back and my first appearance was a look at state of the union and i know people focus on ground zero. but what i wish they could have seen, at fresh kills, the meticulous process we went through looking for personal items and body parts and criminal evidence. we had fire trucks and cars and everything. fema and in nypd and cia and f.b.i. and nypd sifted through every piece of rubble. every piece of it. >> neil: you piece together bone frag mants and body parts. to this day we are finding them. it didn't provide closure for show many. for families that were burying empty caskets and having slum

service without a remnant it was that. it was remarkable in that respect? >> guest: i don't know the day, august it was a warm day like today. hillary clinton and i were here, and we were talking about a grant we were giving to one of the schools or something and all of the work is still going on and all of the sudden, a horn and siren blows and the entire site becomes totally silent. and the ambulance drives down in the pit and they have found a body or body parts. and they put it in to the ambulance and there is a full service. firefighter and everybody lines up a chaplain there which is ironic to bring in a chaplain there at that time. >> neil: what do you think of that by the way? >> guest: we it is wrong. we are free for religion and that should be a part of and then the ambulance drove off,

and when it was finally out of the sight all of the noise comes back up and the work resumes. >> neil: after fema, there was homeland security, and i always wondered and you wrote a of that in your book. how do you think they would be competing allegiances and overlaps. you didn't always write kindly of homeland security at the time. but who called the shots after that >> guest: i kept a personal journal and i hope it turns into another book. a journal of everything that was going on and this is from august 29th. the vice-president has asked us to hire this individual to head a task force on terrorism. i write. we are behind the curve on the terrorism issue. the president and the national security agency haven't issued enough executive order says yet and the agencies are staking out their turf on the issue. >> neil: it remain to this

day? >> guest: it remains and i think always will be that way. we have to figure out in the assimetrical warfare to get a way for the agencies to prake down the barriers>> neil: they don't communicate well. >> guest: that is a pit fall. they need to say to the folks and contractors and those who work outside of the government, you must do this. >> neil: amazing. you talk to any of the bush folks? >> guest: i talked to andy carr today. >> neil: michael, good to see you. michael brown, former fema director. we are getting more details about the heightened terror watch. this is coming from a federal law enforcement talking to fox news. reviewing travel logs and phone roars and the light. several names popped up but so far, they have pretty much

can't track the alleged pakistani men three of them to speak arabic and english who are in the united states. the priority is not who is behind the plot but who is here. the plot is linked to al-zawahri. he is the number two and elevated to number one after osama bin laden was killed. we'll have more on that after this. [ barks ] [ cat meows ] [ woman ] ♪ i just want to be okay ♪ be okay, be okay ♪ i just want to be okay today - ♪ i just want to knowoday - [ whistles ] ♪ know today,now today - [ cat ows ] - ♪ know th maybe i will be okay ♪ [ chimes ] travelers can lp you protect the things you care about... and save money wi multi-policy discounts.

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>> neil: i am discovering doing the shows from ground zero how inadequate i am. one hero after another.

the next guest takes the cake. bill butler, fire department of new york. building collapse he has 13 others with them . they are not rescued four five or six hours and he's keeping the peace and looking after them. and he's -- you think after that he would quit the fire department and say that is it. i am out of here. which is what i would do. this is the difference between a network prompter correspondant and a true hero. bill butler promoted and serving honorary. what a scary time. tell us what happened? >> guest: when the plane hit the north tower, we were, my fire house was nearby section of manhattan, we responded immediately because we would be the first truck on the

second alarm anyhow. we got here and encountered one plane in the side of the building and we encountered a lot of people burned in the stair wells and in the treat out in front of the build they were all being cared for. and our assignment is search and rescue. we have to bypass them and move on to the people who can't get themselves out. >> you entered into what you knew was a tower hit. >> north tower was hit at this point. and heavy damage to not only the building on the outside, you can see on all of the new's channel but the lobby looked like a bomb hitet lobby. and never thought it would collapse? >> no, we were thinking we would fight the fire and we do hundreds of high rise fires. >> thousands are running out

and you are running in. >> that's our job. >> how did you survive the collapse. >> just a miracle that we survived the collapse. we went up to 28th floor when the south tower collapsed and as we made our way down. >> 28th floor. on the stairs. >> heavier. hundred pounds of gear. we were able to when the south tower collapsed, the north tower shook. and our captain made the call for us to evacuate. we started evacuating and got down to the 19th floor and we encounter civilian that we started to assist down the stairs and down to the fifth floor and the building collapsed. >> you described an angel. what happened. you were all stuck together

for all of those hours. i wasn't overlooking and overseeing. our captain was overseeing us and put us in survival mode and turned all of the radios off and lights off except one. d then more of stay josephine. and we never stopped. we had acess of the fourth floor and we were able to go in and look down the elevator shafts and look down the utility shaft. >> it we were in the top of the pile. >> you survived. >> guest: yes. >> neil: thank you very much. it is a real honor. next time i complain if i have the right amount of mayo on my sandwich, i will shut up.

we'll have more after this.

>> neil: okay, now my staff is rubbing it n i talk about the heroes of the day and this guy is another one that takes the cake. imagine this. our nation is under attack, no one knows how many planes are up there and oh, yeah, you are piloting a plane that has on board, the president of the united states. how is that? and the president of the united states is in a bad mood and wants you to go back to washington and you are under orders to protect the guy and

going back to washington right away is not a good idea. you can see george bush telling mark tillman. i want to go back and do this. and he is in the odd position, colonel, sir, i think this might be a better route, right? >> guest: absolutely. all of the planes said to keep him out of the battle and cope him safe. a proud texan, president of the united states wanted to get back to the united states. >> neil: i remember covering at the time. all of the talk that after the pentagon was hit, there were hundreds of planes all over the place and they felt it was a massive attack and air force one was a target. >> guest: we were on a sarasota ramp and the president ran to me after speaking with the elementary

school folks and i had to move the plane. didn't realize what the threats were but assumed we a target. >> you got it up you could be rammed in midair. that was out there. what was it like on that plane? >> there was a lot of confusion amongst us in the cockpit. we knew the plans to keep president safe and a we were told a plane behind us. and angel was next. and we had to figure out what the threat was and try to counter it. and no idea what it could be. decoy and move him around the country and the president made the decision to land so he could address the public. >> guest: was in nebraska. >> guest: first in louisiana and then went to nebraska to talk with national command

authorities. >> neil: how soon were you back at the white house? >> guest: we took off 9:45 at sarasota. >> neil: yes, he had to clear out in the white house. he was not happy about that? >> guest:. i doubt it >> neil: you have to keep the commander-in-chief safe and he anyway say this is what i want to do. you are in a bit of a box. >> guest: you work with secret service and they are critical and they make decisions on the safest route. we discussed with mr. card. and discussing whether to take him anded hading back to washington was not the righ answer but we understood the president's desire and we had to adapt. i was thankful we headed west and let things sort out in washington and then take him

back home. >> guest: you found >> guest: >> neil: you learned about flight 93 was heading east. >> guest: prior to that we were going to camp david. that went away when we realized the plane was making its run. we had to keep the president out of that area just in case. >> neil: just realizing what you were going through. >> guest: thank you. >> neil: imagine being in the middle of something like that. leader of the free world. i want to here. no, sir, we are going here. fun day for a colonel. when we come back. the first big response to the terrorist attacks, more after that.