is they fraudulently labeled the boxes that they were in. they showed the documentation that they from india that permitted them to import the wood. >> they also advertised it and it is on their boxes as something that was not legal. >> sean: why didn't they go after the guitar companies that do the same thing? >> why don't they go after all these people who hire illegal immigrants? >> sean: why don't they believe leave gibson alone and focus on creating a job. >> then fire some of these guys in these businesses that hire illegal immigrants. >> stop putting billions in a bankrupt company. >> sean: out of time, good panel. >> greta: tonight the tea party taken apart in a political showdown in the state of florida. eight big republican names going head-to-head. in minutes, four of those tea party debaters/presidential contenters go on the record.

newt gingrich is here, michelle bachmann, mr. herman cain and rick santorum. first, former governor sarah palin goes on the record from wasilla, alaska. good evening governor. >> hi how are you? >> greta: very well. what did you think of the tea party debate cnn tea party debate? >> i was very pleased with this debate. very excited about the validation of the tea party movement. the hook-up with a major news network, cnn and more power to cnn for allowing that validation of this grassroots tea party movement participants from all over the nation being able as a voice of we the people asking questions of these potential presidents. very, very wonderful debate in terms of the whole forum and the venue that was chosen. the winner in this really i believe was the tea party movement and validation of what it is that we've been talking about for two years now.

where we've been saying obama's big centralized government, his agenda that replicates some of the socialized government policies of some european countries, doesn't work. you saw a group tonight there on stage talking about pro private sector, entrepreneurial pioneering spirit of america being allowed to thrive and prosper to create jobs. i is a good debate, especially in those terms. -- it was a good debate, especially in those terms. >> greta: if my memory and knows are correct only newt gingrich brought up the question of waste. it seems that at the bottom of many of our problems, whether it is social security, i understand all the principles, medicare, medicaid, social security, unemployment has to do with money. the silence is almost deafening how no one is talking about the billions of waste if we collect some of that, except speaker gingrich

tonight. >> i noticed that too. this is one of the reasons that many of us love your show. because you have been one on top of this issue from day one. talking about the fraud, the waste, crony capitalism that has been it seems accepted in government as part of the permanent political class that we must be rid of or we are never going to get to the root of our economic problem. newt was right on talking the waste. hopefully, what he talked about could help teach his colleagues on stage and they could all be participants in committing to getting rid of the waste in government. i think and i'm going to take heat for saying n i think some of them don't want to go there. they've been participants in some of the waste. and casting votes for budgets that are full of waste. just to go along to get along. or in their own states. they haven't tackled debt and deficit spending to the degree they should. so they don't have a strong

record to stand on. newt has been very bold talking about the problem. we need more discussion about it. obviously, beyond just words, we actually need the deeds and the records to have shown that these candidates know what they are talking about and know they can tackle debt and deficiency. they've done that in the past hopefully and they will show us what their intends are to make hurt we are tackling debt, deficit, waste and fraud in the future in our government. >> greta: if your theory is correct and the only one without a guilty conscience is probably cain. he may be the only nonguilty party as far as fraud and waste of course he did have to answer to shareholders as ceo he may be the lucky one on that, do you agree or not? >> coming from the private sector he does have a strong record of making sure there were efficiencies within the businesses he ran, that's great. these candidates who have been

part of government, local, state on the national level who have a record of of unfortunately, participating in the going along to get along, casting votes for budgets that maybe they didn't believe in or preached against but voted for them any way, they need to be held accountable. that's obviously the root problem we have with the deficit spending accepted in our government and the 14 trillion dollar debt. we need to hold these candidates accountable and make sure they have true intensions of not allowing it to happen in perp -- in perpetuity. because we can't grow more debt and expect to get out of debt. here mark the problem that we're facing and this was an -- here obama, the problem that we're facing, candidate obama said a couple year ago that he would cut the deficit in half. he turned around and tripled it in the process he lost 2.4

million jobs out of the american economy. so his policies don't work. you saw a team of candidates on stage today with good ideas that will work. any of them, any of their ideas, any of their pro-private sector agenda will be better than what president obama has done to this country the last couple of years. >> greta: in watchi this and because of the tea party influence, a lot of the questions were how much should the government be in your life? we'll have representative bachmann soon. there's the question about the vaccine in texas and governor perry signing an executive order so 11 and 12-year-olds could have this vaccine you could opt-out there was some discussion they prefered you opt-in rather than you opt-out. what stunned me is that she said, that the reason that governor perry suggested it

strongly us what because of a campaign contribution. someone in his office went to work for the drug manufacturer. i thought is the same thing that makes americans mad. the cronyism or the suggestion that it isn't a level playing field out there i'm going to ask her. that's a serious charge to level against governor perry. i was very surprised by that. >> someone, that someone as michelle bachmann pointed out was governor perry's former chief of staff who went to work for a drug company who made the drug that would be required of the texan government to mandate that our young daughters would have to be inoculated against potential disease from this company that his former chief of staff was lobbying for that is crony capitalism. that's part of the problem we have in this country. people are afraid, even within our own party to call one another out on that. true reform and fighting the

corruption and fighting the crony capitalism is a tough thing to do within your own party. you have to go up against the big guns. they will try to destroy you, when you call them out on the mistakes they've made. believe me i know that. i have the bumps and bruises to prove it, because that's what i've been doing the last 20 years, local, state then on the vp trail, different levels of government, calling out the corruption in government. michelle bachmann tried to make that point tonight. potentially, she is going to get crust find -- get crust find by some in the party, don't call somebody out in your own party. we have to call one another out on things that have left to the crony capitalism, to the favors, to the backdoor dealings that have lead to on a state and federal level, this distrust of government. we the people have great distrust of our federal

government especially right now. because we see these things that go on and people seem too afraid to call one another out on them. how are we going to reform the system and restore what is good, fair and right about america unless we do hold one another accountable. that's what michelle was trying to do. >> greta: i take it you are priested with the field tonight or with the way they answered, is that correct? >> yeah, i was pleased, i was very happy with it. back to that issue with governor perry. i was governor of alaska the time that issue came down. i told our health and human services department alaska was not going to mandate immunizations for our teenaged daughters. there had to have been something to that issue. because it didn't sound like governor perry. he was the proverbial anti-government type of maverick in texas.

yet on this issue he decided he was going to know better than a parent was going to know terps of what the health care or health benefit -- know in terms of what the health care or health benefit would be. i knew there was something to it. the media went a little crazy demanded to see my 25,000 e-mails i had written during my term as governor. in those e-mails there is proof that the issue arose while i was governor of alaska. the e-mails reflect my principle was no, government stay out of lives of family decisions like that. and do not tell a parent their daughter must be immunized. i knew even at that time, something was up with that issue. now we are finding that yeah, something was up with that issue. i was an illustration or a bit of ed of some crony capitalism -- bit of evidence of some crony capitalism. >> greta: there's a cnn poll out you have not given us no hint either way.

we keep trying to pry it out of you. the fact is having not announced your candidacy you are in third place, which is remarkable others have announced and they are not in third place. where do you stan tonight are you more or less interested? more engaged in this, tempted or just finished, what is it? >> still very engaged internally, with my family in discussions about whether we should do this or not. but, in the meantime, i'm getting a kick out of this and i have to be honest, getting a kick out of getting out there, difficulting -- giving a speech and making statements and the next day watching the candidates discuss what we just talked about. like the crony capitalism, waste, fraud, some of the things going on now come on candidates about time you started talking about that. if that is my role now to get people talking about the issues that the american

people deserve to hear discussed and discussions can result from the discussion about some of these issues we talk about i'm going to keep doing that >> greta: what do you consider a drop dead date? >> i'm not going to let the media dictate when a drop dedicate should be. so i don't have an answer yet. >> greta: i'm not trying to dictate. i'm curious what you've dictated for yourself. we'll keep asking the same questions. have you decided for yourself whether you have a drop dead date. >> i have that dopey same old answer that i'm sure you are getting sick of hearing, i'm still thinking about it, praying about it, contemplating, talking my family. i'm sick of giving the same answer. i'm anxious to give an answer and get on with life one way or the other. whichever direction life takes me i'm going to continue to speak up for we the people and the tea party movement and the

momma grizzlies who are concerned about the lack of jobs, government over reaching, over regulating, overtaxing us when those are the things that are happening now that are stymying the job potential in this country. >> greta: well i tried again. governor, thank you, nice to see you. >> thanks always great to see you. >> greta: republican presidential contenders former speaker of the house newt gingrich joins us. good evening mr. speaker. >> good evening. >> greta: i don't know if you listened to the interview we just had with governor palin. i gave you a shout-out saying you are the only one who mentions waste. two questions, are aren't others talking about it? what did you do when were you speaker of the house in congress about waste? >> i don't know why others aren't talking it. go 's speech in iowa last weekend on crony capitalism and on the -- on the problems

of both parties is a very, very important speech. i'm going to be tweeting a link toy. i'm also going to be doing some other things with it. -- i think it raised a series of profound questions that all of us, democrat and republican have to wrestle with as citizens. she did it very well. it is a very impressive speech. when i was speaker, we had a series of efforts. the funniest one i campaigned in 1996 carrying an ice bucket. we used to have people who literally would deliver ice to every committee office and every congressional office. we abolished those jobs. suggested that refrigerators had been invented almost 100 years earlier. and probably you could get ice without having a person bring a pail of ice by every morning. it was a multi-hundred

thousand savings back then real money. totally overhauled the management of the house. the way in which the police department functioned. eliminated a number of smaller committees. and worked very hard to bring the congressional budget down as part of a general effort to move to a balanced budget. i think we did in fact, if you look at reforms like welfare, two out of three people went back to work or school we saved hundreds of billions. >> greta: i'm sure that had there been another hour -- let me ask you now. emerging crisis in the mideast with israel. their embassy was stormed over the weekend in cairo. their ambassador was thrown out of turkey because of the fire they are having over that raid on that turkish ship headed for gaza. the problems with other countries with israel. they are our good friends, but things are heating up.

anything you would be -- let me add one thing, palestinians are going to seek statehood from the u.n. next week. what would you do if you were president about israel now? is it as serious as i think it is? >> >> it is extraordinarily serious of the turkish government has begun moving towards a more radical position. the turkish government is angry because even the united nations found their flotilla to gaza was wrong and they were violating the rules. their pride has been affronted. they are taking it on israel. threatening to use turkish warships to escort a flotilla to gaza that would be extraordinarily dangerous. the leader saying he would go to gaza himself that would be a dangerous precedent in egypt you have crowd control and very dangerous circumstances of dramatically rising anti-israeli feeling. you have to recognize the

region is very, very dangerous. i would take a very hard-line. i think congresswoman iliana ros-lehtinen is correct. she has a bill in which would cut off all u.s. funding to the united nations for any part of the united nations which recognized the palestinian state. that's what secretary james baker recommended in the first bush administration. we have to take a line. i would move the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem as a signal we have solidarity with israel. i would say to the turks we are not going to tolerate turkish warships escorting a flotilla and flutying the united nations agreement to gaza -- >> greta: with them storming the embassy in cairo over the weekend, of course mubarak who was as friendly as one gets from egypt that's a very fluid situation, what would you do about that?

>> i think we should be actively trying to help the egyptian military retain control of the situation. people talk about this arab spring as though it is all positive. there's an enormous amount of hatred -- bottled up and suppressed by people like mubarak. that volcano starting to explode. no one has any idea where this is going in the last few weeks egyptians have allowed a number of terrorists to cross the sinai for the first time since the peace agreement in 1978. you now have dangerous environment beginning to be created. one in which i think you could see things spiral in a very bad way in the near future. >> greta: what question wasn't asked tonight of the entire eight that you think was missed or should be asked next time? is there some really good question that we're missing? >> i think the emphasis on what should we do right now? president obama's speech was so pathetic. his proposals are so

political. we have to confront how weak this economy is. how dangerous it is. and the fact it could get much worse. i think any of these debates ought to have a substantial section on what would you do right now? what do you encourage the congress to do right now? what is it we should be doing? we are in danger of sliding from 9 to 12 or 13 or 14%. former labor secretary robert reich's comments this morning, warning you could see a dramatic increase in unemployment. something which should sober every american and make us want the congress to take action, despite the president and force the president into a series of choices to either pass things that will create jobs or veto them and prove how deeply committed he is to being a one-term president. >> greta: thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: another presidential contender representative michelle bachmann is here. and mr. her -- mr. herman cain

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>> greta: the sparks are flying tonight in florida. eight fighting for the chance to replace president obama. representative michelle bachmann had a lot to say. founder of the tea party caucus joins us. good evening congresswoman. >> great to see you greta, thanks for having me on tonight. >> greta: nice to have you here. there wasn't enough time to have every question. it has been suggested that president obama and his secretary of defense are thinking of leaving 3,000 troops in iraq at the end of the year. have you been asked that question tonight? what would have been your answer? what would you do about it? senator graham and senator mccain said they would be like sitting ducks. others say we should get completely out what would you do? >> i think it is clear that the pentagon has said they

need at least 15,000 to 17,000 troops in order to maintain the peace in iraq. we paid a heavy price in terms of american pressure and -- american treasure and blood. to pull out and allow iraq to fall to the iranians. there were some reports iranians were rejoicing when they heard this news from the administration that they wanted to reduce the number of troops down to 3, 4,000 by the end of the year. we do not want the iranians to move in and take over 10 years worth of advances in securing the peace. we need to be smart about this, very wise about this. if the commanders on the ground believe they need 15 to 17,000 troops we need to listen. honestly, as commander in chief, i would have a short conversation. i would invite in general allen and ask him, general, what do you need to maintain the peace? and i would listen to him carefully and make sure that he was fully resourced with

what he needed to get the job done. >> greta: there was an exchange with you and governor perry tonight the question about the executive order and the vaccine -- now regrets that said 11 and 12-year-old girls would have this vaccine. the thing that struck me was when you mentioned that one of his former staff members was working with the drug company and he got a $6,000 contribution to his campaign. he said he would charge more than $6,000, he was sort of flip. tell me more about in. that's the kind of crony capitalism that is -- that i think is worth exploring. >> this is what people hate about politics when you have someone in the position of power and they have political donors and use their position of power to benefit those political donors.

remember again what this is. this is a unilateral action that t governor of texas took. he didn't need the house, he didn't need his senate, he did it on his own. he mandated, through an executive order that he issued that all little innocent 11 or 12-year-old girl in the state of texas would be required to have a vaccine that is potentially dangerous that many, many organizations warned against, and again he mentioned the drug company, it is the merck drug company. the governor's former chief of staff is chief lobbyist for this big drug company and mandated, again that every girl would have to have this particular drug. the problem is, it comes with some very significant consequences. there's a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. she said her daughter was given that vaccine. she told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result. there are very dangerous

consequences. it is not good enough to take a mulligan when you want a do over, when you have little children's lives at risk. >> greta: a big difference whether you do it because you really believe it is right and you are flat out wrong or shouldn't have done it or whatever. the other difference is whether you did it because you wanted a campaign contribution. i'm curious which you think was the one here with the governor? >> well, of course i don't know the thoughts and the intents of the governor's heart. i have no idea what they are nor would i speculate. i think it is important to írhis donor, like so many other of the governor's donors received appointments, political favors. i think we are going to hear more about that in the course of the campaign this is what the american people don't want. they don't want crony capitalism. it infuriates them. we saw that with president obama when we saw over 500 million dollars go to

solyndra political donor of president obama. it is no better when republicans engage in that as well. people don't want crony capitalism. >> greta: congresswoman, thank you. >> thanks greta. >> greta: coming up, former ceo and presidential contender mr. herman cain guess on the record, next. there's -- goes on the record, next. another presidential candidate says here the once republicans should nominate, senator santorum is also here to go on the record. these nasal allergies are spoiling our picnic. i ow what works differently than many other allergy medications. nas. omnaris, to the nose. did you know nasal symptoms like congestion

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>> greta: tonight's political debate a republican presidential hopeful grilled by tea party activists within was a ran presidential contender mr. herman cain joins us. good evening. >> hello greta, thank you. >> greta: nice to see you. one of the questions that didn't get asked, baby it did, i didn't get all the answers. the union vote. typically, that has been a democratic vote. what would you do to persuade union members they should vote for you? >> explain to them that as long as the union leadership continues to try and bully companies, we are going to have less jobs. i don't believe we are going to be able to convince all

union members to vote for me because of my economic growth plan the nine, nine, nine plan. the good news is, i do talk to some rank and file union members who are starting to pay attention to the programs that i'm talking about. i think we have to basically convince them that we are serious about growing this economy. >> greta: are you going to aggressively go after the union vote? it seems like the union vote has been ceded to the democrats. are you going anything in particular to address civil go after that vote? >> i don't have specific plans to aggressively go after it. i do, from time to time, run into people on an ad hoc basis. aggressive plans to court that vote, not at present time. >> greta: social security, many candidates said they would not change it now or people who are due to get it in the next five or 10 years. but the younger people that

there are some private accounts they could opt-out is that something you would endorse? >> yes. i was more specific. i've all along said i believe in an operational personal retirement account approach like they have in galveston county, texas and in the country of chile. people who are on social security or near you won't be impacted. you give the younger workers a personal retirement option. when chile had the problem entirety years ago they went to this, now they have totally gotten rid of the old system. >> greta: in light of the fact that fica tax has been reduced we have less money going into current social security, we need some of those young people to pay too social security or we are not going to be able to pay the people that have social security. how do you intend to fix that

problem with we left some people opt-out because that is part of the stream of pay? >> let me take for example, we haven't done all the scoring on this yet. if you are 45 or younger, you would then be allowed to the option to half your fica tax and put it in a personal retirement account, the other half you help pay for the existing system. people over 45 they would have the same option. the way they did it in chile, after three years, 90% of the people opted to go into the new system because they were still going to end up with more money in a shorter period of time. the people don't totally not pay into fica. you are only able to use half. if you choose to do the personal retirement account with half of the fica today and invest it for 20 years you are still going to have more money than if you were to put it all into social security. >> greta: big problem in the

mideast, israel -- [ unintelligible ] if you were president today, what kind of conversations would you be having with israel? >> i was in israel a few weeks ago, as you know. i did sit down with the deputy prime minister. and we had an extended conversation. unfortunately, the situation in the middle east has gotten more dangerous, not less dangerous. and with what happened in egypt, that exacerbates the situation. and when the palestinians tried to do this unilateral statehood recognition, greta, that is going to make it more. i would talk with israel about what options are you looking at, depending upon the different scenarios that can happen? i would want to know what those options are. because i would plan to

support israel, no matter what. it is much more dangerous there now. i believe united states, the united states should do a much better job of supporting israel. >> greta: mr. cain, thank you. hope you come back. it is going to be a long race, thank you. >> it is a marathon, thank you greta. >> greta: indeed it is. >> here's what is coming up after this show on the o'reilly factor. >> bill: america was verbally attacked by muslims in london, radical muslims. and by far left loons in america. we will have a special report, coming up. >> greta: that's 11 p.m. eastern. back live to florida another presidential contend here. rick santorum goes on the record. >> tennis star serena williams gets a lot hot under the collar. lashing out at the u.s. open caught on tape. will serena have to pay up for her behavior? stay tuned.

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>> greta: presidential contender senator santorum goes operate record in 60 seconds. -- goes on the record in 60 seconds. but first ainsley earhardt. >> reporter: massive body count underway in kenya, rescuers search for victims of a huge gas explosion in a slum in nairobi, 75 confirmed dead, more than 100 injured. leaking pipeline sparked a blast so powerful it incinerated homes, ignored -- ignited a sewage filled river where many jumped to escape the flames. >> here in new york today, 9/11 memorial where the world trade center ers with stood was open to the public. -- almost 7,000 people visiting the memorials. about 400,000 people have

reserved free passes. i'm ainsley earhart. >> greta: heat is on. eight candidates maybe more want to be the republican nominee for president. one mistake and suddenly a person is out. politics can be a rough and fluid game. senator santorum is here to go on the record. good evening. >> hello greta, good to be with you. >> greta: according to the debate tonight, 1997 you and then president clinton had a bipartisan town hall meeting on social security reform. did i hear correctly? and what happened to the reform, why didn't we get any? >> went to kansas city, missouri the only time i flew on air force one with president clinton had long discussions with larry summers and gene sperling on air force one before and after there was talk about doing something with investing social security

trust funds in nongovernment bondses away of growing the rate of return -- maybe personal accounts. we were looking at different things, all interesting. men monica lewinsky happened and the president collapsed. the reform never happened. >> greta: as i understand -- those are targeted at younger people not people getting the social security now or in the next 10, 15 years. if we allow young people to opt-out and have private accounts now, how in the world are we going to fund social security? we need their money in the income stream. great, we let them opt-out what happens with those on social security now, where do we get the money for them? >> that is a big problem now. when i was advocating for personal accounts, as i did for 10 years. we were running a 3% surplus.

we were collecting three percentage points of social security tax more than we needed. what my plan was to take that 3% we didn't need and let young people invest that -- keep that invested. now we are in a situation where we are broke. the system is not paying enough, receipts aren't enough to pay benefits. my feeling is on personal accounts, it has to be a true option. in the case of that, we have to talk about them putting money aside and giving them tax breaks to do it. frankly it is not as viable an option now as it would have been had we done it 15 years ago that's why 15 years ago i was talking about reforming social security. that was the window of opportunity for us to do it. now we are stuck. we have to maintain the currencies tell. to maintain the current system the only way you can do that is match up revenues and expenditures. i don't believe we should increase taxes. which means long term the

expenditures will have to come down. we can talk separately about encouraging more retirement savings. within social security, tough argument to make in the future. >> greta: i'm not going to ask you about waste and fraud. >> social security is not as big a problem on that you have problems on disability -- >> greta: i if we got waste and fraud from other areas -- one of the questions asked tonight by a citizen what about the women in afghanistan? she raised a good question, if president karzai partners up with the taliban and we facilitate it if the taliban is involved it is curtains for the women. what is your idea to solve this problem? it is not going to be pretty for the women if the taliban is remotely involved with them. >> what was upsetting to me in the answers only two people

got to answer that question governor hunts pan and governor perry. neither -- governor huntsman and governor perry. neither talked about success. both talked about how we need to get out of afghanistan. when we have them parroting the words of president obama instead of saying we need a program to make sure we have a successful transition then we have candidates who are not going to provide the contrast we need to be successful. and more importantly we are not going to have a president who wants to lead this country to successful conclusions to the engagements we are in. >> greta: i was in afghanistan with secretary of state hillary clinton. she met with women, the women said don't leave us, don't forget us. what is success, how do we get success? those women are hoping we don't just throw them to the wolves. >> let me say this, we have a plan right now in place that

is working on some fronts. i believe that the idea of removing some troops and doing some special operations work, in the areas where we've trained up the afghani military is a viable strategy going forward. but it has to be on a case-by-case basis as the afghanies are in a position to secure the area with intelligent support, special ops support from the united states. that should be part of the process not a political objective to get troops out. >> greta: senator, thank you. hope you come back often. as i've told every candidate it is going to be a long race. thank you. >> all you have to do is like the old movie, just whistle. >> greta: i'll learn to whistle, thank you. >> straight ahead, the best of the rest. fiery outburst on the tennis court. serena williams gets herself in hot water at the u.s. open. we have it all on camera, that is coming up.

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>> greta: here's the best of the rest. tennis star serena williams went off on an umpire at the u.s. open this weekend. she made a noise during a play which the umpire felt distracted her opponent. here's how it went down.

>> greta: william was fined $2,000. tornment directors say they are investigating the outburst. >> the jersey shore's pike the situation is telling abercrombie & fitch they can't have it both ways.

ordered to stop selling. shirts that parody the hit reality show. less than a month ago abercrombie & fitch offered him money to stop wearing its clothes on television. now he's camp is accusing abercrombie and fitch by profiting from the show by selling t-shirts featuring phrases like the fitchwation. 1,000 foot high wall of dust traveled 50 miles in the heart of the metro phoenix area. cameras captured everything in its path getting smoothered. it is getting bad out west six dust storms in phoenix this summer alone. there you have the best of the rest. coming up, uh-oh did someone just find something missing from president obama's jobs plan? jimmy fallon will explain, next. ♪

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